Trust me, Paul. It won't be any fun at all.

Ace,

Give it up. I'm giving you exactly what you want from Greenwald but you'll never get.

As I said below, in the perverse way the life sometimes works, all your effort on Greewald will probably help him rather than hurt him.

You can't make him quit blogging but you can me. Pop a bottle of your best Boone's Farm.

You've won. Yeah for you.

Errrr. Paul . . . I didn't realize that this was about you. Don't you think you're overreacting a bit?

Why did you delete that creepy post on your site Ace?

You know that post where you were trying to make me "Your next Greenwald."

Yes, Ace, I was deleting psots that embarrassed you. Now you have to delete posts that embarrass yourself.

No Dan... I know it is a figure of speech but in this case take it literally.

-It ain't fun any more.-

No more, no less.

(in reply to Ace on his blog) Sure Ace leave it up buddy. All the things you quote were from Kevin and I pulled an April fools joke on the blogosphere they didn't appreciate. Whatever.

Go ahead and leave it.

Leave it to show everyone how you respond when people say that you might not have made your point.

Leave it up to show people that you realized you went over the deep-end and then tried to hide it.

Leave it up like a shunken head on a pole so no other blogger will disagree with the likes of you.

Yawn.

Well, Paul, if your definition of 'fun' includes redacting or deleting comments with impunity, closing thread comments at will, and generally being a boorish ass when confronted with his own logical fallacies and prejudices, well ... yeah. I can see how you might not find this 'fun' anymore.

Good luck with your future endeavors in the internet.

Cheers.

ps. The over/under for Paul's next article on Wizbang! is Saturday, July 29th 11:32am

I'll take the 'under'

Acyually BumperStickerist I have one more. A Katrina post I've been working on for about 2-3 weeks.

Other than that you lose.

I will now make Karma's Words disappear... POOF

Thanks, Paul. your magic trick made my daughter's day.

Ok, I guess I might have been the only person to actually see some of Ace's comments before they got deleted.

Was deleting them the right thing? Probably not, but seriously, he did sound like he had gone friggin insane.

Jesus, is that what this is coming to, people have to turn this into DailyKos and the DU and start attacking their own for not spewing the party line? Christ what a pathetic show.

Right move, Paul. You're under no obligation to provide a forum for anyone to to post incoherent rants.

(And as much as you think you make sense, Ace, it really doesn't come across to someone outside your head as being well thought out and coherent.)

The way I look at it, if you can't make your point in a post or two and be done it with, you need to start your own blog and rant on it there. And to start working hard at 'getting' another blogger, letting things get way, way too personal - that's really not good at all.

And Ace - I've visited your site in the past. I enjoy your writing. But man, I think you need to put this to rest. The stakes are real small in the real world on this one. Egos bruise, but they heal also.

As Adjoran said in the first comment of the referenced post...

You see, what I never could "get" in this whole thing was why anyone thought it was significant at all.

There used to be a joke in the Society for Creative Anachronism about how the infighting was so vicious because the stakes were so very small. I see this as the same sort of thing.

(Not that my opinion really matters to anyone...)

P.S. - Bumperstickerist - it's his post, he can do what he wants with it. I delete a lot of comment and trackback spam on my blog, should I leave it up? As far as boorishness goes, it's possible to disagree without being disagreeable. Being an asshole when you think someone else is an asshole just perpetuates the shit, and there's not a sheet of toilet paper in sight. It's best to just not start the shit in the first place.

P.S.S. - I can see I wasted my time posting the above. When did this turn into junior high?

That was just because I could Karma.

BumperStickerist said basically the same thing and I left him alone.

By the way, for those who might not get it, the "Jesus, is that what this is coming to, people have to turn this into DailyKos and the DU and start attacking their own for not spewing the party line? Christ what a pathetic show."

Is in reference to Ace and his apparently rabid fan base to attack and tear at Paul for exercising the rights he has on this blog.

So let me see if I get you guy's logic.

Blogger A can go on an insane tear spamming a blog and making threats against other bloggers and that's ok....

all because blogger B (gasp) deleted a comment.

OH, I get it now.

Other than that you lose.

I guess I'm unclear on how 'other than that' affects a win/lose proposition.

And - gee - thanks for 'leaving my comment' alone. It doesn't generally occur to me to be thankful to somebody for not deleting or editing comments.

Wow, Paul. I am in awe of your massive power.

Tell us again of the story of creation, since you alone seem to hold the power to create and destroy.

After all, replacing ace's comments with "spam,spam,spam" shows you omnipotent intelligence. I mean, why actually condesend to respond to a critic when you can simply delete their critisms? That way, your holiness can continue to bask in the glory of always being right.

...Just don't expect people to use your name with words like credibility, integrity, honor..

...or other silly personality characteristics you seemingly don't have time for.

(kevin, I really had come to expect more from something you put your name on).

Now you get to watch another long time reader disappear.

Enjoy.

>I guess I'm unclear on how 'other than that' affects a win/lose proposition.

Gee you're another smart one.

you said:

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ps. The over/under for Paul's next article on Wizbang! is Saturday, July 29th 11:32am

I'll take the 'under'
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I replied:

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Actually BumperStickerist I have one more. A Katrina post I've been working on for about 2-3 weeks.

Other than that you lose.
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If you can't follow the dicussion I can't help you.

>After all, replacing ace's comments with "spam,spam,spam" shows you omnipotent intelligence. I mean, why actually condesend to respond to a critic when you can simply delete their critisms? That way, your holiness can continue to bask in the glory of always being right.

Geeze Karma, go read the juxtapositon. It was funny you humorless nit.

And you ain't a long time read of this blog.

I don't understand the dramatic need to quit blogging. Not that I'm urging you not to go. Ace might have used lewd language, but his points are valid. All the information you seem to think proves GG guilt "without a doubt" has been posted by Ace a week ago. Your originally post was condescending and sarcastic to Ace, so I can see how he would take offense.
I also don't understand the need to denegrate someone's interest in something you don't share. You don't like Ace posting about GG for the upteenth time? Then don't read it and don't call him obsessed. I think quitting blgging to garner sympathy points is a cheap trick - makes you look like a victim instead of the guy who (once again) went on the attack.

An observer's point of view:

In every crime the evidence always exists before a case can be made. It's up to the prosecutor to gather that evidence and then present it in a coherent manner so as to persuade unbiased jurors that the prosecution's assertions are correct.

In this entire mess, Paul and others have been acting as jurors, while Ace and Patrick have been acting as prosecutors, with most of the rest of us being court room observers.

The blog gives the prosecution a real advantage in proving it's case, which is that jurors give them feedback on how well they are doing. Had this been a real court case Ace and Patrick would have lost simply because they didn't originally present a coherent case and the resulting not guilty verdict would have put and end to it once and for all.

However, with feedback from the jurors, the prosecution refined their arguments and found more evidence. Given Patrick's presentation, the jury has now returned a guilty verdict.

Here's some facts:

It's not the job of jurors to make the prosecution's case. The mere existence of evidence is not the same as making the case. The denial of the defendant is taken as the truth until proven otherwise by the prosecution.

As for Paul's deleting posts. Yah, he does that, but the effect is often to raise the level of the discussion. There's always a few who want to make stupid statements, which then draws other's into the folly of arguing with them. Paul just deletes them so the thread can move on. Some blog masters allow stupid posts, but Paul often doesn't. It's part of the variety many of the Wizbang regulars have come to enjoy. If you don't like it, don't comment on Paul's threads.

Well first yls welcome to Wizbang. Glad to see you.

>Ace might have used lewd language, but his points are valid. All the information you seem to think proves GG guilt "without a doubt" has been posted by Ace a week ago.

Not according to Ace.

>Your originally post was condescending and sarcastic to Ace, so I can see how he would take offense.

Sorry but I just busted you as a troll.

"And you ain't a long time read of this blog."

yes I am. you just deleted the proof.

Along with your credibility, I'm afraid.

Paul,

You and Ace both need to step up accept responsibility for your actions.

If Ace ranted and raved and blew things out of proportion, he should man up and own it.

If you want to quit, "because it's not fun anymore" and to defend lunatics with tortured and twisted illogic...

That's all on you. Quit being a pussy and blaming. God, I hate whiners.

Lighten up Francis.

Dunno, shrug, it's the only thing that came to mind.

Paul,

Dude, it's Friday, relax, take a break. I mean a real break, get away from your keyboard. Do something outside. Stop responding to everyone. You're acting like an immature child. Yeah, ace's comments were vile, inane, and childish as well, but you don't have to act in kind.

Bottom line, you guys are arguing about a blogger. Who the f*ck cares! Maybe this is entertaining to you, but you sound like you're losing it.

Karma:

Actually Paul gained credibility in my eyes by deleting your insipid comments which you seem to think were just oh so clever. So I guess the point is: you clearly have no clue what you are talking about.

Did you actually read some of Ace's comments before Paul edited them --for the better I might add?

In the "You're my next Glenn Greenwald," comment he also threanted to Frisch Paul, among other things. Yeah, that is right, just because Paul deleted comments that were sounding like Ace had lost a few cans from his six pack Ace decides to make an insinuation that Paul is comparable to a lady who has made pedophiliac comments and threats.

Gee, I wonder why that got deleted.

You want to know who really lost their credibility? Try the blogger who is treating someone --who is most certainly not an enemy-- like Greenwald and the other moonbats. And to top it off now that blogger has a horde of swarming minions who are also attacking Paul over the comment deleting, with a distinct hint of moral equivalence to their arguments too --because deleting those comments is so much worse than Ace losing his cool and ranting for pages worth of text. Thought only lefties did that, my mistake.

>>"And you ain't a long time read of this blog."

>yes I am. you just deleted the proof.

WHAT?

There are 139,457 comments in the Wizbang! database.

Of those 139,457 comments you have made 4.

All on this thread.

Welcome to Wizbang!

If I don't know or care who Glen Greenwald is, do I have to turn in my Blogger I.D. Card?

As an extremely outside observer, I think that those of you griping at Paul don't really understand blogs.

A blog is a forum. The owner of the blog has a responsibility only to himself. He/she can delete comments or posts or anything he or she feels like.

If you don't like it, get your own blog.

This pickiness is really immature.

I read Ace's now deleted comments early this morning. There was nothing of value in them. All they were was an over the top personal attack on Paul. So now we have all these ace trolls showing up attacking Paul. It's pretty transparent to genuine long time Wizbang commenters as to what's going on.

Paul - Your work is appreciated. Don't let a bunch of ace trolls spoil your fun.

A blogger should never let commenters determine when it's fun to blog. Then again, it's easier for a blogger to set his own standard in that regard on a solo blog than on a group blog...

heh- Timing is everything huh McGehee...

I'm a trolly troll troll trolling for you baby.

Part of this debate seems to center around the question of deleting trackbacks and/or comments with which you disagree, or which impugn you in some way.

On this thread, I have noticed that some comments have not been deleted, but instead have been altered to make it sound as though the author has said something they did not say.

I fully support the right of a blogger to regulate the content of his own blog, but am unsure whether that right extends to putting words in the mouths of others.

Jack,

You'd be a more effective troll if you didn't go to Ace's blog and report on your trolling activities.

Just saying.

www.trollsareus.com

You could just say you were wrong, and drop all the justifying-your-stupidity stuff. Or quit, that works too. Easier than facing the truth, I guess.

None of this has anything to do with the "party line," and trying to make it about that is the ultimate DailyKos/DU bullshit. When you're wrong about something, of course you're well within your rights to pretend as if it weren't so, and other people are within their rights to point it out. The worst thing you can do at that point is to start moving the goalposts from "did he or didn't he" to "who cares anyway" and "the meanness or your response invalidates your position." And don't forget "my blog has more traffic than yours." Always a winner.

So like a lot of people who can't seem to just fess up and leave it at that, you've now painted yourself with the brush you tried to use on others unsuccessfully. And rather than sack up and live with it, you're running away. Well played, sir.