Yep, fundamentalism is very scary.

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Why would one ever wish to convert to a dead-end religion like Islam? There's no salvation because there has never been a "savior or redeemer". There's no repentence for, and forgiveness of sins. There's no relationship with the nebulous and mysterious "Allah".

With Jesus Christ, I get forgiveness and redemption. With Jesus Christ, I can talk and pray and commune with my Redeemer and my Saviour.
With Jesus Christ, I have an advocate with the Father of all Creation.
With Jesus Christ, I have everlasting life.
With Jesus Christ, I have a true Peace that passes all understanding.
With Jesus Christ, I have his Spirit living within Me to keep me honest and humble, to keep my feet on the straight and narrow.

With Allah, I have no Peace, No Everlasting Life, No walk with my Creator and most of all, no forgiveness of my wretched sins...well, except were I to kill a non-Muslim in martyrdom.

Which is why I ask...why on God's green earth would any sane, rational human being choose Islam? To have one wife is enough, let alone 72 virgins!!! Sheesh, and you thought a 4-hour erection was bad...???, isn't having an eternal erection worse than what Viagra will do to you? I mean...goodNESS!

Which version of Islam to they want us to convert to?

There is Islam, the religion of peace, which directs us to 'build a world of peace on earth so that you may be granted peace in your eternal life in the hereafter'. According to Islam, the three basic elements of building a peace culture are: Compassion, Forgiveness and Respect for all.

Or do they mean the odd version the tape makers have been promoting where one shouts 'God is greatest!' over and over while sawing the head off of someone they don't care for?

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Allah is an IDOL. Muslims are of the spirit of the anti christ. I pray for them. Most of the rad muslims are filled with hate. True Christians even love their enemmies. But if you keep backing a true Cgristian into the corner, we have Christ in us, with true courage, we will fight when appropriate. Dont underestimate us you coward who wear hoods and hind behind masks. What are you afraid of....rad muslims are cowards.

I just read your article on Mr. al-Zawahari's call for Americans to convert to Islam.

I would love to engage him or a surrogate in a dialogue regarding our respective religions and value systems.

It seems patently obvious to me that the future oriented, tolerant and dynamic Christianity practiced in this country is vastly preferable to the obscurantist, medieval and murderous form of Islam he espouses.

If you can in anyway mediate such a dialog, please contact me.

Robert Chapman
Lansing, NY

True Christians even love their enemmies. But if you keep backing a true Cgristian into the corner, we have Christ in us, with true courage, we will fight when appropriate.

Obviously true Christians are not people who believe in Christ's commands that when struck, turn the other cheek, when an enemy takes your coat, give him your shirt as well, when the occupier impresses you to carry his panalopy for a mile, carry it for two.

Obviously, true Christians just see Jesus as a bigger dog in the cosmic battle of human sinfulness and greed.

Clearly the belief in the transforming power of Christ's Grace to intercede, change hearts and allow us to become peace-makers in all conflicts is not part of TRUE CHRISTIANITY.

Robert Chapman
Lansing, New York

Hey Adam Gadahn and fellow Followers Of Darkness: We suggest YOU convert to Christianity so when we kill you, you will have somewhere pleasant to go.
Just kidding. Really.

Our God is stronger than your God, the proof is, America is a Christian Nation, (count the churches in each city, count the mosques?) live in denial, but we are a Christ-ian nation. We will kick the tar out of all of the muslim nations combined, if backed into a corner, if we have to. Don't test us cowardly masked punk. Our God is mighty, yours is a weak demon idol, bring it on.

C'mon to my hood and burn a flag.

Jesus Christ is Lord to the Glory of God the Father. Alah is an Idol.

The truth hurts.

Robert, If they have their way, you and your family would be dead. You are correct, I need to let the Lord give me the power to be a peacemaker.

I would share Christ with Osahma, but would stop him with all of my might from harming the innocent.

There is a balance between love and being a wimp.

Christ warned religous bullies, so should we.

I just wanted to say that when call Allah an idol you are wrong. Allah is just the Arabic word for God. The Muslim God is the same Christian God you pray to. Jesus is an important figure in Islam just as it is in Christianity...Muslims just think of him as a Messenger of God and not his son. In reality these people that they show on videotapes and on the news are the most extrem psychos you can find and do not actually represent the majority of muslims. That would be liek saying the KKK represents all of Christianity, which it doesn't. I am a Musslim person and I think that this group adn their ideology is ridiculous. As Muslims you are supposed to be tolerate of other religions, the basic concept is that if you beleive in one god and his book then we are all followers together, ending in the same place after death. Don't be hateful towards others because of what you hear on these tapes...those idiots you see running down the streets yelling God is great are just uneducated ignorant people, and all religions have them.

I withhold judgment till this tape is verified to be authentic.

well well where do we all go from here?

there is an old toltec saying that we all our each others keepers.....when we look for differences we find many....when we search from within for sameness it is there too.

christian muslim hindu buddist agnostic pagan

some where back in time we all had the same parents and there can be only one creator

choose the the road less traveled.....

Allah is not the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ my friend. Allah the God of islam, not the same as the God of the Bible.

The Bible says, There is one God, the Father and one Lord, Jesus Christ, it says..not everyone knows this.

Also this whole thing about suiciding bombing and 72 virgins is a myth...If a muslim person commits suicide in anyway they go straight to hell, there is no good side there. Also the larger Muslim nations don't actually have any quarrels with the U.S, place like malaysia and indonesia contain the majority of muslims worldwide.

Yes it is, we both beleive in the same God and we both beleive in Jesus. The Lord = God = Allah...once again Allah is just the Arabic word for God
The Son = Jesus = Prophet to Muslims
The Holy Ghost = Angels = Which also exist in Islam

Toledo, you are correct. If you are a Christian and beleive in Creationism, which Muslims also beleive in. Then we are all descendants of these same people. All religions and all people are the same. It is the people who created this division of religion, not God. Muslims, Jews, and Christians all beleive in the same God. It is just people who manipulate and interpret the teachings in their owns ways that will work for their own benifit. Why do you think we have Protestants and Catholics, Sunnis and Shia's, Zionist Jews and Orthodox Jews.

Hebrews Chapter 1: For to which of the angels did God ever say,
"You are my Son;
today I have become your Father? Or again,
"I will be his Father,
and he will be my Son"[c]? 6And again, when God brings his firstborn into the world, he says,
"Let all God's angels worship him."[d] 7In speaking of the angels he says,
"He makes his angels winds,
his servants flames of fire."[e] 8But about the Son he says,
"Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever,

The Holy Spirit=God

each is their own kind, you are mistaken my friend. Please bear with my bluntness. Time is short.

The world is wacked out. I am suffering from Islam fatigue. When will the west get with it and fix this problem.

The Muslims are really beginning to piss me off.

Ed,

do you have any friends who are qakers or amish?

These sects are christian BUT take a stand on war and self defense that would of saved thousands during the crusades.

I am certain that if you look into the old testemant that GOD allowd certain death and destruction for HIS purpose and not mans.

We are all blood brothers dear Ed this is just science here. one man one woman started the whole thing....call Him adam or call him the missing link we know there must have been a first...

we are all going to die, so we all have more in commaon the we do ever care to admit....I mean when BONO is spending the remainder of his life helping the poor aids victims, we can all do a little each day to connect instead of sepaerate

there is a big difference between organized religion and a personal relationship with the eternal creator....

its a big universe ED please dont shut your mind to those who are the same but dont know it yet...

Isn't it The Lord, The Son, and Teh Holy Spirit? If i am wrong then I apologize, we taught that in school that in Christianity it was The Lord, The Son and The Holy Spirit. Anyways what I am just trying to say here Ed, and anyone else that on the whole, as a majority Muslim people do NOT hate the West nor do we Hate Christianity or any other religion for that matter. In our day to day lives you regular, everyday Muslim is just the same as your regular everyday Christian. It is just unfortunate that were are all being painted with teh same brush as the Al-Qaida idiots. Not all Muslims are al-qaida or terrorists, we are regular people like you.

Asama has received criticism from his Egyptian advisory for not extending an invitation to convert to Islam. Such an invitation is required by the Quran before killing you or your wife or your children. Just to let you know the connection. The President of Iran has also invited George Bush to convert in a formal 18 page letter. I suppose everyone on this thread knows of the invitation. Well?

Both religions emphasize peace, love and compassion while 90% of what I hear these days is hatred and violence. Threats and violence are no way to spread faith. According to the scriptures Abraham is the true father of all three major religions. everyone gets so caught up in interpreting scripture that we refuse to live by the most important values. Both sides are plauged by ignorance. Ignorance of history, philosphy and even the real roots of their own faith. Christ's life was an example set for all men about showing compassion and understanding for all and working peacefully to better the lives of others. Islam teaches the same lessons. There are extremists on BOTH sides of equal ignorance and fascist intent. I've been told by a muslim scholar that the ancient word for virgins was the similar or the same as the word for a delicous kind of date. All of these ancient technicalities have been subject to manipulation by translation and interpretation and to assume either the qur'an or the bible is absolute truth is foolish. According to the scriptures Abraham is the true father of all three major religions.

Fundamentalist Christians are just as bad as fundamentalist Muslims. Left alone, you all want the same thing, which is to have everyone else change to your religion. This is why separation of church and state is so valuable. It keeps fundamentalism at bay.

The problem is not one religion or the other, it is all of them. You all think that your religion is the only right one, but if you were born in the other's country, you'd believe the same crap as them.

Of course, it's really not about belief at all. You BELONG to your religion. You believe what you're told to believe and most of you don't even know what that is, aside from knowing that you believe in God or Allah or Jesus.

You think that the Bible or Christianity is any more peaceful than Islam? Would Jesus have invaded Iraq and killed hundreds of thousands of people based on a bunch of lies? And yet, George Bush the Christian, did just that.

Just so you guys know, they are only forcing them to "convert", so that in thier minds it legitimizes killing them. But in actuality it doesnt. These "invitations" to Islam are ridiculous, it is just radicals interpreting and manipulating things to create their own ideologies.

Thank You Pete and Genghis.

Friends, I know I come on to strong at times, I'm open minded, but I have convictions. I do not hate any humans. I hate evil. I love and wish the best for all. My point is, if someone is trying to destroy a FREE life style, we cannot let them.

The ones who kill are the ones who are wrong. I never ever considered killing anyone. I'm tired of rad muslims preaching and practicing murder. Because I'm weary of the and will defend freedom if I have to, doesnt mean I have to keep my point of view silent.

I beleve the Bible, I love God/Christ and I love people. As diificult as the truth can be, how do explain the clarity and simplicity of the below passage.

May the Lord open all of our hearts and minds.

Have a great day, bless you all.

2 JOHN 1:7-10

7Many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist. 8Watch out that you do not lose what you have worked for, but that you may be rewarded fully. 9Anyone who runs ahead and does not continue in the teaching of Christ does not have God; whoever continues in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. 10If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take him into your house or welcome him. 11Anyone who welcomes him shares in his wicked work.

thanks guys

thanks you Pete WONDERFUL....

Ed, we all feel the same way. These people are not only trying to change Christians in teh West but also Muslims in the West. Muslims living in North American in some caes are put in the same group as the "infidels". In 9/11 do you think they cared if Muslims died? No they didn't. In Iraq and Iran you had muslims killing muslims in millions? This isn't a figth about religion it is just a shameless pissing contest for power.

It must be my haloscan, this is twice that my trackbacks to you will not come through. It says it is closed...humm

Have a great weekend.

Linked you in my post:
http://suzieviews.blogspot.com/2006/09/al-qaeda-zawahiriconvert-to-islam-or.html

Guy,

You are a tolerant and gracious person. I hear you loud and clear. It just grieves me to the core to see people hate people.

I dont take this for granted, all of us sharing our respective opinions.

Some don't want that

Guy, you're partially wrong. It depends on which form of "Christianity" you are referring to. Just as Islam has different paths of belief (e.g. Shia's vs Sunnis), there are literally hundreds of different denominations of Christianity. The original Christianity as it was formed is mostly found in the orthodox denominations, while Catholicism is the most widely adhered to religion in the Christian world, which is probably where you're getting your Father, Son, Holy Spirit. However in Catholicism (with a big C), they are all one in the same, hence the mystery. Father is seperate from the son is seperate from the Holy Spirit, and yet they are all the same entity.
Other Christian denominations split from Catholicism during the reformation in the middle ages because of this, hence why many Christians do not believe they are all the same entity, and still others believe in predestination (God already knows who is saved and who isn't), others believe Jesus visited the Americas (Mormons), and others follow Catholic dogma, except for things like divorce (Anglic/Episcopal)

Bear in mind I'm not equating the feuds the Islamic sects have with each other than the feuds Christian sects have with each other, Christian sects haven't gone to war over their beliefs in half a millenia (or longer), while Islamic sects still go at it. However, those are most likely tribal differences than they are religious differences. Christian sects on the other hand have learned to peacefully coexist (well peaceful to the point of everyone trying to convert each other in a peaceful way).

Thanks Henry, thats the problem with college education these days, they will only teach you want they want to and leave the rest out of the textbooks. It is sad to see that they are actually still fighting like that. It is mostly tribal stuff to, and unfortunatly I dont think they are not anywhere close to wanting to settle things with peace. that is one thing where for some reason we sstill apparently want to "kick it old school". That is one of the major reasons why alot of Muslims and Christians alike emigrated from Lebanon to North America, my family included, the lines