"O’Donnell: "No, but we are bombing innocent people in other countries. True or false?"

False. We are bombing the guys that are trying to kill us, sometimes killing people who are trying to keep them safe, there by. . . not innocent.

Rosie is right. Christian fundamentalism IS incompatible with democracy.

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I've always wondered why anyone, anywhere, any time cared in any way about anything she has to say about, well, anything at all. And I'm a liberal!!

"They added Elisabeth Hasselbeck a while back as the token conservative, but she rarely shows any evidence that she follows the political issues they discuss well enough to make any kind of convincing argument.

Then she is definitely ready for FOX News!

Rosie is right. Christian fundamentalism IS incompatible with democracy. (picture follows)

No. Her argument (and yours) is incompatible with reality. It's the same old moral equivalence argument. Christian fundamentalism does NOT equal Islamic fundamentalism.

Or, to put it another way, muirgeo: You linked to one photo (of violence by a Christian fundamentalist); others here could link to DOZENS of pictures (and much more recent ones) of Islamic fundamentalism.

Bible thumpers won't cut off your head if you don't convert to their faith; Islamic radicals will and have done so. Who's the greater threat to democracy?

I'd laugh at these insipid arguments from the left if it weren't for the fact that thinking this way could get us all killed.

A minor correction to my previous post:
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Or, to put it another way, muirgeo: You linked to one photo (of violence by a Christian fundamentalist); others here could link to DOZENS of pictures (and much more recent ones) of violence by Islamic fundamentalists.

This is the same Rosie who has armed bodyguards while she works to end the right to keep and bear arms. The woman is a vitriolic hypocrite with no attachment to reality. I wouldn't be surprised by anything she says.

You give her a modicum of decency and lucidity of thought that she has not only not earned, but worked tirelessly to disabuse anyone of the notion that she's capable of them.

Hey, don't dis the Angry Beavers, they were great! ;o) It was a much more interesting show than the view.

Rosie defends "radical" and "extreme" Islam even though mainstream Islam would behead her for being gay and, at a minimum, keep her covered from head to toe in public. Stupid Rosie doesn't understand the meaning of freedom.

...at a minimum, keep her covered from head to toe in public.

Not necessarily a bad thing.

I'm shocked. I actually agree with Hugh.

O'donnell the blowhard is obviously suffering from militant Islamist infatuitis..

What's really scary is when Rosie said this, many in the audience clapped.

Who is Rosie and is ABC still on the air? Why?

Maybe someone can help me. Is there a name for focusing on equivalencies or comparisons? I've noticed a definate pattern from the left (maybe everyone does it and I haven't noticed) that everything *must* be compared to something else.

Seriously, is it *relevant* to compare radical Christianity in the US to radical Islam? I don't expect gays and feminists to host a love fest for Pat Robertson, it's just that I find it insane that they don't seem able to condemn a culture that stones rape victims and hangs gays. In fact, if they *do* they get re-categorized as neo-cons.

(And it's not *radical* Islam that stones rape victims and hangs gays, it's the nationwide judicial system in Iran. It's not some radical fundamentalist preacher saying how homosexuality is a ticket to hell or that rape victims deserved it, it's the police and the courts.)

So is there a name for an argument that is constructed as "this isn't any worse than that" or "this isn't any better than that?"

Does Rosie lose the ability to rag on about Christianity if she admits that killing people is worse than not killing people? Like saying the truth that Iran has hung gay men to death, not extra-judicial lynch mobs, the *courts* have hung gay men to death, is going to take away her moral authority to bash Christianity unless she can insist that radical Christianity is *just as bad*?

My guess is that at the rate Rosie is going she will be gone from The View before New Years Day. Just remember that with all media entities money talks.

One would think that the execs at ABC would know better then to put a LLL like her on any of their programs that are not scripted. But, I am sure that Barbara Walters pushed to have her on the show and both her and the network execs agree with Rosie's politics.They both see nothing wrong with what she says, and won't until the sponsors threaten to drop the show because of the negative feedback from customers.

First of all, Rosie O'Donnell is an idiot, regardless what she said on the View.

Second, she is wrong. Radical Christianity is not JUST AS THREATENING as Radical Islam to America. Radical Christianity is WAY WAY WAY MORE threatening to America.

Radical Islam cannot take away our Fourth Amendment rights against unwarranted search and seizure, our Fifth Amendment rights against self-incrimination, our First Amendment rights of free speech and free religion. Radical Islam cannot take away our Miranda rights, our Habeas Corpus rights, our rights to attorney-client privilege, a speedy trial, and so on. Only the Radical Christians like Bush, Delay, Reed and on down the line can do that.

Really, the only way that radical Islam can destroy our country is by blowing up enough shit that our Radical Christian leaders are able to scare us all into giving up our rights. The way to defeat radical Islam is to stand up to the leaders of this great country and tell them that we are not going to let them piss all over our Constitution.

Live Free Or Die.

I knew when I heard Rosie was joining The View that it would be a failed experiment. I predict the whole show will be in the toilet by Christmas, if not before. If they couldn't deal with Star Jones, they surely cannot deal with Rosie O'Donnell. I personally can't stand The View. The very few times I've had the chance (like during vacation or on a sick day) to watch it I found it disgusting and turned it off in favor of a book. And that was the pre-Rosie days. Rosie, bless her heart, is afflicted with what we here in the South call diarrhea of the mouth and constipation of the mind.

Doug,

muirgeo is a clueless little troll who, like the masochistic attention whore that he is, only sticks around because people "pay attention" to him by using him for Clue Bat(TM) practice. And he is very poor Clue Bat(TM) practice at that. He is more like a T-Ball stand then a pitching machine.

Ignore him and eventually he will go away to seek the attention he so craves.

Second, she is wrong. Radical Christianity is not JUST AS THREATENING as Radical Islam to America. Radical Christianity is WAY WAY WAY MORE threatening to America.

You're kidding, right? When did all of those rights get vaporized? I must have missed that story on the CBS Evening News with Katie Couric. She'd be the first to tell me this, wouldn't she?

My gosh, you think the threat is BIGGER from people whose rhetoric you disagree with; while others who ACTUALLY WANT TO KILL YOU are.... what? Simply a nuisance?

Well, I guess you and the terrorists have at least one thing in common: you both think that Bush is The Great Satan.

Is it just me or does this same post appear twice on the home page?

Nahanni:

Thanks for the clarification.

You know, I wouldn't mind all the trolling--if only we could engage in logical arguments here. But the trolls seem to visit here, check out the topics, then barf up their bile. No real exchange of ideas; no attempt to persuade others with cogent thoughts.

I am going to sound like an old fart (and I'm only 49), but I worry about the future of our country. Can we survive the threats from outside our borders and these terrible divisions from within? Will things ultimately improve here at home, or is BDS now a permanent element in political discourse (no matter who the Republican leader is)?

Why not do what I did? I sent a detailed e-mail to Ms. O'Donnell telling her several areas is which she had displayed her ignorance. And then reminded her that her precious right to be a lesbian would get her killed posthaste, should her buddies the Islamofascists ever take charge. While it seldome does any good, I am determined to keep on meeting ignorance with basic intelligence.

Since the merge of the two blogs, my original post was deleted.

Does anyone remember the cartoon show "Angry Beavers"? well, they updated it, used 4 women and called it "The View".

Fox should hire Hasselback with 3 other women and start a show called "The Opposing View".

Doug,

You've heard of the Patriot Act, right? You remember when the Bush administration (via John Ashcroft) was fighting to overturn the Miranda decision, right? Maybe if you'd turn away from Fox News once in a while, you'd see some of the things that our government officials are doing.

I never said that I am more threatened personally by Christian zealots than by Islamofascists. I wasn't talking about people, I was talking about AMERICA. No matter how many people get blown up by Islamic radicals, only the people in charge can destroy our country. (Just for the record, though, I have been personally threatened by a number of so-called Christians over the years, but so far not a single Muslim.)

Also, I don't think Bush is the great Satan. I don't believe in Satan. That's from your playbook, not mine. Bush is more like the Wizard of Oz. He's a pathetic little man hiding behind a screen of tough rhetoric, hoping that if he scares you enough you'll do what he says and not look behind the curtain.

Where's Toto when we need him?

ND (nice moniker, BTW):

At the risk of wasting more of my time.....you said:

No matter how many people get blown up by Islamic radicals, only the people in charge can destroy our country.

I'm sure if you were to ask the nearly 3,000 people who died on 9/11/01 who the greater threat is, they'd ALL agree with you--it's Bush, not the Islamofascists! (sarcasm off)

Not only is your argument repugnant; you dishonor their memory by asserting it.

Nihilist, what's a specific instance of a right we've lost? I'm really curious.

Rosie O'Donell for intelligent commentary, on anything?

Bwa ha ha ha!

She is a MORON. I recall a few years back she was on some celebrity game show. They asked her a very basic question about American Geography. She was completely clueless, couldn't even answer the question.

Maybe if she had spent a little more time reading books then watching TV she would be such a MORON.

What is scary is she doesn't realize how stupid she is and she has a pulpit to speak from. Now that is scary.

Anything that issues forth from her mouth, especially if it is not from a cue card or a written speech she is actively looking at, is useless drivel not worth the air passing over her shrill vocal cords.

Folks like Rosie O'Donell complain about legislation like the Patriot act because it infringes on some of their favorite constitutional rights. Yet these same people work for an applaud legislation like the Assault weapons ban that for years dramatically infringed on constitutional rights. I figure they are only reaping what they sowed.

I wonder how long before she's asked to leave the show (which she'll spin as "I left on my terms"). It's obvious she won't shut up and won't tone down her vitriolic schtick. She has a major mean streak against conservatives and also Christians that has been long documented.

"You know, I wouldn't mind all the trolling--if only we could engage in logical arguments here. But the trolls seem to visit here, check out the topics, then barf up their bile. No real exchange of ideas; no attempt to persuade others with cogent thoughts."

Doug, this is a serious question: PLease tell me what good it would do to try and persuade the church of frat boy members on this site?

I mean honestly, do you really thing anyone posting here could be convinced to take a position contrary to this administration?

As for the future of our country, don't worry Doug, our country has survived greater terrorism and divisions before ;)

f-n:"I mean honestly, do you really thing anyone posting here could be convinced to take a position contrary to this administration? "

..and yet YOU are posting here. How does that work?

ci?, Stay with me on this, I promise it won't be too hard to figure out. Doug was referring to trolls posting, a category, I am assuming in which I fit. I therefore made mention of the regulars who post here, and their consistent, lock step positions with the current administration. Get it?

Think a little before you try to be cute next time. Hey, just because you have a computer keyboard in fron of you, does not mean you have to use it and make a fool of yourself.

Well, moon6, it would seem that we have lost the right to criticize our government without being called a terrorist sympathizer (or worse).

More to the point, we have lost the ability to not have our phone tapped by the government without a warrant.

Was that too obvious? How about the right to habeas-corpus? If the Bush administration decides that someone is an Enemy Combatant or whatever, they can hold that person in prison without charges, without seeing an attorney, without the right to confront their accusors for as long as they see fit. American citizens held indefinitely without charges.

How about the right to actually elect our government? Remember back when votes were counted and the person who won actually got to take office?

Hmmm... Those are the ones I can think of off the top of my head. Hope that helps.

Muirgeo and Rosie need to show us the people Christians are torturing to get them to convert. Being hostile to gay adoption is hardly in the same class as what radical Islamists are doing. Maybe she should try gay marriage/adoption in a Moslem country just to see the difference. I'll never watch her.

Nd

Rosie could not have spewed Your queries any more elaborately.

Wow, Doug. I thought maybe you would offer some sort of reasoned counter-point to my argument, but I see you'd prefer to simply ratchet up the rhetoric.

Okay. Here's me responding in kind:

Doug, it repulses me to read your sycophantic drivel. The enthusiasm with which you would fall to your knees and renounce your liberties makes me want to puke. The disregard that you show for the Constitution dishonors every person who has died defending this great country of ours. Not only that, but you do a disservice to all of the current members of our military and our veterans, as well. They wear (or wore) the uniform of these United States and risk their lives to protect and defend the Constitution. Yet here you are, ready to give up whatever parts of it your Leader says is ne