If you are a fellow optimist like myself, and also a huge part or rightroots, could you do me a favor? Tell fellow right-rooter John Hawkins at http://www.rightwingnews.com that being a defeatist never won anyone an election...

Why does he continue to raise money for republicans if he thinks we are going to lose seats? I find it disingenuous at best, and being a flat out liar at worst if he is trying to raise money for candidates he thinks/KNOWS will lose.

I'm with you. While I am concerned, I do not hold much stock in polls. As many have noted before, I avoid at all costs telemarketing calls. So one has to wonder at the very few willing to respond to polls.

In addition, while bloggers and those who frequent blogs (myself included) spend a lot of time navel-gazing, most folks are out there living their lives. Issues of so much importance to us, are of much lesser importance to these folks.

In the first paragraph, don't you mean to say you WILL be in the latter camp?

Smartguy,

Thanks so much for pointing out my error. I need you as a proofreader! I think I had the order switched in an earlier draft and slipped up by not changing that line in the later draft. Sorry -- it is fixed now.

Dave, I will pass your question on to John, but think his answer might be that even if we lose seats, we should still fight for every one we can get. Those are my words, not his though.

Lorie

Funny, it does now, lol.

Lorie, I read it but kept scrolling down to read other posts, then came back and figured I had just read it wrong, then saw smartguys post, so I put the Aricept back on the shelf ;-)

I can't tell you how much I appreciate it when you guys point out stupid mistakes like that. I probably would not have reread that post -- after all, I wrote it so I knew what it said, right?. Thanks for catching it so quickly so I could fix it while the post had only been up a few minutes.

Lorie,
I just don't think it serves any purpose to concede the election before its even taken place. In a few of his posts I have read lately he is all but certain that the GOP will lose this fall.

I think a key to this is that even if you think you will lose, don't let on that you think that.

I went in for a job interview recently and answered a question badly. If i let that affect the rest of the interview and i took on a "I won't get hired" attitude, i will be undermining myself by telling myself i wont get hired.

If i stay optimistic and shake off those bad answers and move on, then I look unaffected by the bad things. As a person I look like I can recover and am ready to be hired. Much as republicans should shake these things off and not let the media run with them. Move on as if they aren't happening and be confident and be strong.

Obviously Mr. Hawkins hasn't heard of being vigilant, and just wants to cave... I love reading his site, but every once in awhile it seems like he is in a race tell everyone how his political party will lose. I don't think the conservative movement needs cry babies, but we need people ready to stand up and not fall into this trap set up by the media that is meant to make people think along the same lines as Mr. Hawkins. He should be smart enough to see through the garbage polling and the media reports...

Add one thing to my posts...

John Hawkins is exactly one of those that has curled up in the fetal position on the bathroo floor. He has given up and will not defend his party anymore.

I have no clue what it is you would be fighting for. Bigger debts? More quagmires? More corporate welfare? More corruption? More lies? More Christian right "one night stands"??? More incompetence? More lies? More selling out of the middle class? More power for Lobbyist? More influence peddling? Party before country I guess?

Hey Muirgeo, I don't know if you know this, but i'm voting Republican. The only way i'd get more of what you listed is if i voted democrat. Keep that in mind!

Bigger debt? liberals like to spend more than conservatives.

More Quagmires? Iraq has progressed beyond anyones wildest dreams and quagmire was either pulled from family guy or vietnam... i'm not sure what your point is...

More corporate welfare? hmm... ok, thats kind of an oxymoron since corporations pay mroe taxes than anyone else...

More corruption? Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, Bill Clinton anyone? Culture of corruption blew up in the dems face like a whore at a gang bang.

Christian right one night stands? not sure what you're talking about, at least clinton had multiple nights with some of his ladies even though he raped one or more of them.

Incompetence? like "redeploying our troops in Iraq to Okinawa"? that kind of incompetence? Oh wait! that was a democrat that suggested that!

More lies? Like Clinton saying he did not have sex with that woman ms. lewinski?

More selling out of the middle class? like getting rid of tax cuts? Don't think that getting rid of tax cuts ONLY affects the rich because you are retarted if you do think that

More power for the lobbyists? Like ACLU lobbiests and Jack Abromoff with Harry Reid type lobbiests?? I think you should elaborate. Republicans aren't the only ones tied to lobbiests, and if an investigation happened, a lot of democrat names would come up.

Influence peddling? See the previous point.

Party Before country? What party wants the US to lose the war on terror and lose the war in Iraq. What party would have the most to gain from the US losing? Obviously thr democrats.

I sink your battleship you pile of liberal crap.

Republicans should be ok..lose maybe 10-13 seats in house, 3 or 4 in the Senate.

The thing that bothers me.....is WHY is it even close in RED STATES? Montana? TN.? MO.? C'mon.........I don't care if it IS a good old conservative democrat, if you DON'T want speaker Nancy Pelosi you better vote GOP.

Some of us are stuck in BLUE states surrounded by liberal asshats,
but every RED STATE Republican better vote GOP, or the country will start to look like Massachusetts.

Lorie,

Thank you so much for this post. This is exactly the kind of stuff that needs to be said repeatedly. It seems that the media jihad against Republicans as I like to call it, is totally directed at getting our side to just give up, concede defeat and let the Democrats have the House and Senate without putting up a fight. This is insane! Yet, that is what they have worked 24-7 to try and sell us on, with their daily pronouncement that its all over, its a foregone conclusion, and you'd better accept it.
Unfortunately, it has worked to some extent with some on our side who for whatever reason have grown wobbly spines.

I look around and I see a strong economy, a stock market in record territory, low unemployment, falling gas prices and a shrinking deficit. The nation is at war, but the policies of the administration and its congressional supporters have kept us from getting attacked again for over 5 years. Yet we are to believe that the folks who brought about these conditions are about to be tossed out in favor of folks who have offered no agenda, except their hatred for President Bush. And what little we have been able to determine suggests that they would undue many of the policies that created these conditions. And the one piece of evidence that suggests this is polling data that drives news coverage by a hostile media, who wants our side to fail because they are in bed with the other side.

I just contributed to a number of candidates, and will even send a donation in to the RNC to help Ken Mehlman. Its obvious from what he, Rove and Bush have been saying that sent the media into a frenzy that they haven't given up, and neither should we.

Ken

Dave , Liberals are no match for the facts. There should be no more doubt in the minds of any honest and true American that the democrat party is a complete perpetual fraud and a disgrace to this Country. The "VERY SECOND" I paid attention to politics , I saw right through those basturds I voted by default for. Yes, they are that phony and disgusting if you've never listened to their speils before. I NOW VOTE REPUBLICAN AND SCORN THE DEMOCRAT PARTY OF LIARS AND FRAUDS.

The absolute worst thing that could happen would be for the Republicans to squeak out retention of both houses of Congress and get back to business as usual.

The absolute best thing that could happen would be for the Republicans to retain the Senate - barely - but lose the House.

The next best thing would be for them to lose both houses.

To eke out a "win" at the expense of keeping the current Republican status quo - including that fucking idiot blivet Hastert, who could be the poster child for "fat, stupid, greedy, corrupt, scumbag politician" - would be a short term win for Republicans and a long-term disaster for conservatives.

SS

I sink your battleship you pile of liberal crap.

Posted by: Dave

Well no you really didn't because all you did was make a list of falsehoods, straw man arguments and non -sequiturs that I can easily show are unsupported by the facts. You're simply sinking your own battle ship and your country with the weight of your own lies and colossal ignorance.

For example look at the deficit numbers which quickly dispel you first delusional claim;

Clinton Year Billion
94 $282
95 $281
96 $251
97 $189
98 $113
99 $130
00 $ 18
01 $133

Bush
02 $421
03 $555
04 $600
05 $554
06 $616

TOTAL Clinton debt in 8 years; $1.4 trillion
TOTAL Bush debt (to date) $2.7 trillion

So keep on believing you own Limbaugh implanted delusion you suggestible fool.

.....or the country will start to look like Massachusetts.

Posted by: Knightbrigade

Yeah with them ranking 2nd in per capita income, 1st in education levels and one of the lowest in divorce rate......wouldn't want that would we.

http://www.epodunk.com/top10/collegeDiploma/index.html

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0104652.html

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvss/mar%26div.pdf

I NOW VOTE REPUBLICAN AND SCORN THE DEMOCRAT PARTY OF LIARS AND FRAUDS.

Posted by: Rob LA Ca

A former abused child I'm guessing.

Again people supporting this corrupt administration and its crony congress are ignorant, self deceiving people who put their party and hatred for the Democrats above the facts and the needs of the country.

I can honestly say I've voted Republican in the past and could certainly vote for honest and principled Republicans in the future.

I can also honestly say that I don't really want the democrats to control all three branches of government either because I think the system flawed as it is works best with some check and balances.

The difference between guys like Rob here and me is that I'm informed, I have an open mind and I care about my country more then my party. But again I think Rob was probably abused as a child and now suffers from a domineering hen pecking wife who tells him how to think.

Don't know about you, Lorie, but I plan to curl up in a fetal position, and whine and moan -- at least until early voting begins, when I will go out and cast a straight GOP ticket (except for races where there are no Republicans -- then I will vote for the Libertarian). After that I will again curl up in a fetal position until after election day.

I am so tired of listening to the news that I have enough books-on-tape to last through mid-November, just so I don't have to listen to the radio or drive to work in silence.

Shutup stupid,

"The difference between guys like Rob here and me is that I'm informed, I have an open mind and I care about my country more then my party."

The Hell you do you lying POS. You consider taking your marching orders and talking points as being informed.

"A former abused child I'm guessing."

"But again I think Rob was probably abused as a child and now suffers from a domineering hen pecking wife who tells him how to think."

You sure do have to guess and think alot for someone who claims to be so informed.The fact that you must repeat the word "Honestly" is the first sign of Dishonestly.

You have been smoking that "Democrat Bud Laced with STUPIDITY". It's no wonder you confuse your bleeding ass with having an "opened hind." The difference between you and me is that I now refuse to turn the other cheek while you're willing to keep spreading them.

Republicans can easily retain both houses of congress if they just show up and vote. To win you have to play.

muirgeo is a bit disingenuous about bj's budget surplus. if your raise taxes (mine)cut defense spending (the core function of the federal government)get a lucky convergence of an opposition congress to curb other spending and catch the wave of a stock market boon ( massive capital gains tax revenues) you too could run a budget surplus. in other words winning a lottery means your lucky, not a financial wizard.

if bj had a democrat congress, taxes would have raised, defense would have been even more severely cut, hillarycare enacted and even more spending on every manner of welfare imaginable. there never would have been a surplus under his administration. he is one super lucky dude, having the right enemies to curb his excesses, running when his dim opponents thought they had no chance to win and catching the wave of an upturning economy. I give him credit for seeing the opportunity his dim opponents like cuomo missed.

as to why libs care about deficits is beyond me. it's not as if they are actually worried that they are going to pay for them. 75% of the income taxes are paid by 25% of the taxpayers. paying for government is not a problem for 3/4 of the tax consumers. as for the payers it makes no difference, they are going to pay no matter what. for them it's only a question of how much of their taxes are allocated to debt service or someonelses welfare. a distinction without much of a difference.

I think what everyone forgets is that polls always, always favor Dems by approximately 5 points. It happened in every election. Many of the vital races are in that range. So why all moans and groans? It should only spur our get out and vote effort.

I see that muirgeo ignored but then shot down (by posting the actual deficits) the lie that there was a surplus under Slick Willie. There was not a year under Slick the debt didn't increase and you can't have a surplus if you didn't pay the bills. Sometime when lying you have to tell the truth. Not sure of his (Mongo's) numbers but have the official site to check. As a fact I posted the web address for the site on here a few days ago. Maybe muirgeo actually checked it. Considering the cost of recovery from the 9-11 attack, the war on terrom, and having to totally rebuild/rearm the military (destroyed in the 90's), the deficit numbers of President Bush are more than reasonable. If the democrats don't get in and eleminate the tax cuts the economy will continue to roar along and the deficit will be further reduced.
Peloshi's promise to reverse all of the gains is really scary. Eleminate tax cuts for the working class, crash the stock market (over 60% of americans now have investments), Increase unemployment rates, Cut and run from Iraq and allow the terrorists to kill millions of people. What a plan, but it's the only one the democ'rats have.

Don't worry about Limbaugh's tax munbers, they are also from the official numbers maintained by the IRS. Old Rush isn't foolish enough to post inaccurate numbers. He's definetly not a lying democrat.

As for his claim of having an open mind, I agree with that, it's so open the wind and rain have damaged and shrank it severly.

Hey "bung-ho",opps mun-go (linkman) what % is 616 of our GNP (if you know what that means)? Every nation on earth would jump thru their ass to have such. As for the open mind crap--a big-o BS.

"I see that muirgeo ignored but then shot down (by posting the actual deficits) the lie that there was a surplus under Slick Willie. There was not a year under Slick the debt didn't increase and you can't have a surplus if you didn't pay the bills."

Scrapiron

Hey Scrap I absolutely agree with you. But don't try to say the current deficit is $250 billion when in fact it is $600 billion. Likewise Bush and you all can not have it both ways....right???

Not sure of his (Mongo's) numbers but have the official site to check.

Posted by: Scrapiron

Debt numbers right here;

http://www.publicdebt.treas.gov/opd/opdhisto4.htm

Does any one here understand why there are 2 sets of debt numbers? Which president ran up the debt so much he had to borrow from social security and lie to the American public about the true debt numbers????

Hummmm???? Anyone??????

Are you ready for more of this????

CRIME STATS
- Number of individuals and businesses associated with the Clinton machine who have been convicted of or pleaded guilty to crimes: 47
- Number of these convictions during Clinton's presidency: 33
- Number of indictments/misdemeanor charges: 61
- Number of imprisonments: 14
- Number of congressional witnesses who have pled the 5th Amendment, fled the country to avoid testifying, or (in the case of foreign witnesses) refused to be interviewed: 124

sCrappy excuse #1

"Considering the cost of recovery from the 9-11 attack, ....whine, whine whine...."

Maybe next time listen to what the intelligence agencies are telling you, maybe next time meet with the head of the CIA in July when he tells you the system id flashing red, maybe next time read your PDB's

sCrappy excuse #2

"...the war on terrorism,whine, whine, whine...."

Maybe next time don't start a trillion dollar war with a country that had nothing to do with the WOT and in so doing making us more at risk......for $1,000,000,000,000 dollars you actually funded a terrorist training camp...and you're now actually justifying why we should vote for more of the same....BEEEZZZZAAAAARRRROOOOOOOO!!!

sCrappy excuse #3

"......and having to totally rebuild/rearm the military (destroyed in the 90's),....whine, whine whine WHINE........"

That military took out the Afgan Taliban and the Iraqi Army with out a problem. Don't try to blame the troops and the military for having Chickhenhawk's for leaders and for their CIC.

sCrappy excuse #4

"...whine, whine whine.....the deficit numbers of President Bush are more than reasonable. "

No there not DING DONG, see above, they are as outrageous as you are apologetic.

sCrappy excuse #5

"If the democrats don't get in and eleminate the tax cuts the economy will continue to roar along and the deficit will be further reduced. "

And you say this because you are a fact based guy or (and this is my guess) because you are a silly little Bushbot who will say anything that flies out his bunghole just to put his party above the facts and the country???

CBO projected debt;

Year 2016.....$13,663,000,000,000

http://www.cbo.gov/budget/08-17-budproj.pdf

Does any one here understand why there are 2 sets of debt numbers? Which president ran up the debt so much he had to borrow from social security and lie to the American public about the true debt numbers????

Hummmm???? Anyone??????

Posted by: muirgeo at October 17, 2006 11:43 AM

No one opened the SS system to borrow money in the past 10 years. It was opened years ago. this is
Another Mongo snow job. If you care to go back a few years you will find that a 'democrat' opened the SS lockbox and it has not been locked since. It has been spent as part of the normal budget for years. Doesn't anyone remember 'President Bush' showing the filing cabinets full of IOU's and telling the American people that there is and has not been any 'SS' funds for years. The SS of today is being paid 100% out of the funds collected today. The baby boomers will take care of that, unless you are willing to pay some huge SS tax in the future, like two of you pay enough to provide full benefits for one person. That will exceed $500 per month each in SS tax alone, you ready? He was trying to get the truth out to the American people. The SS shell game is about over and it will soon go broke. Who refused to even talk about fixing it? Democrats. I suspect the SS system will go flop in less that 10 years.

Hey "bung-ho",opps mun-go (linkman) what % is 616 of our GNP (if you know what that means)? Every nation on earth would jump thru their ass to have such. As for the open mind crap--a big-o BS.

Posted by: jhow66

Hmm I think its about as high as it's been since WWII. I think this would be the graph your looking for.

http://zfacts.com/p/318.html

jhow you need to remember that when you try to take me on in a debate its like I'm Bruce Lee and you are one of the 50 guys I'm tossing onto tables and through windows.......don't come to my nuclear warhead fights with you pocket knife....it's embarrASSing and it makes me feel a little bit bad for you.

Posted by: muirgeo at October 17, 2006 11:43 AM

No one opened the SS system to borrow money in the past 10 years. It was opened years ago.

Posted by: Scrapiron

Warmer,,,warmer.....getting warmer sCrap.....come on now when and who exactly opened the box so he could lie to the American public about the true nature of his debt......back on the couch sCrap...lets work this through....I know it could be traumatic but we need to set you free......think now...more then 10 years ago......getting warmer...you can do this.....