Listening to Rush today I heard him quote CNN's reason for running the Iraq sniper video as a desire to show the "unvarnished truth." I wish that CNN was as concerned with showing us the unvarnished truth about many other subjects.
One subject that came to mind was abortion. If CNN finds it newsworthy to show U.S. troops being shot down by snipers so the public can see the unvarnished truth about the war, then why not show us the unvarnished truth about abortion. Let's see a partial birth abortion being performed before the election so that voters will know whether or not they want to vote for those in Congressmen who oppose a ban on it. Planned Parenthood's 90th birthday would be a perfect time to air it.
This "unvarnished truth" doesn't always have to be that shocking though. The same standard could be applied in countless ways. Maybe we could see video of some of those liberal politicians claiming to be men and women of the people walking out the front doors of their million dollar homes. Or maybe we could watch some radical environmentalist liberals flying around in their private jets and limousines. The problem with CNN's attempt at the "unvarnished truth" is that they never show the whole truth.
Update: I can't believe I didn't think of Eason Jordan's admission that CNN "varnished" the truth in Baghdad before the 2003 invasion. Luckily, reader Scotty did:
What happened to the "unvarnished truth" when CNN had their people in Iraq during the late 90's ? wasn't that the time that Mr' Jordan admitted CNN not reporting on Saddam's torture and murder all the while reporting Saddam's version of the "unvarnished truth" so they could keep their office open.
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Anyone besides me get a rep... (Below threshold)1. Posted by jhow66 | October 20, 2006 2:38 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Anyone besides me get a reply on the video deal. If so note how they got the video. Wonder why they don't inform the military? Naa that might help.
1. Posted by jhow66 | October 20, 2006 2:38 PM |
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Posted on October 20, 2006 14:38
2. Posted by Lurking Observer | October 20, 2006 2:42 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Show video of 9-11? Too traumatic. Too disturbing.
Show video of US soldiers being killed in Iraq? Unvarnished truth.
2. Posted by Lurking Observer | October 20, 2006 2:42 PM |
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Posted on October 20, 2006 14:42
3. Posted by USMC Pilot | October 20, 2006 2:56 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Although I agreee with the idea that CNN shows a selective truth, I believe that all Americans need to see the videos. I was a helicopter pilot in VietNam, with over 700 combat missions, many of them medivac, and have first hand experience with the hell that war is. It is important that we the people know just what the sacrifices are that are troups are making. My only concern is that, if any of the victims are identifyable, the family might see the video. Otherwise, since they have to live it, we need to be strong enough to handle the reality, and still perservere.
3. Posted by USMC Pilot | October 20, 2006 2:56 PM |
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4. Posted by 914 | October 20, 2006 2:59 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Very nice comparison Lorie!
Video of babys being torn apart, Too graphic, Too much of the elephant in the room to be seen.
Our Sons and Daughters being cold bloodedly murdered In Iraq? A must see video. Highly appropriate and a necessity for election purposes.
The disgusting truth.
4. Posted by 914 | October 20, 2006 2:59 PM |
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Posted on October 20, 2006 14:59
5. Posted by BarneyG2000 | October 20, 2006 3:02 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
"Show video of 9-11? Too traumatic. Too disturbing."
Lurking, I guess you were sleeping when CNN (maybe it was MSNBC) showed 10-hours real time video from 9/11 on the anniversary, or the countless specials or hours of video replay from all networks during this last anniversary week?
Learn to talk for yourself, and not what Rush tells you.
5. Posted by BarneyG2000 | October 20, 2006 3:02 PM |
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Posted on October 20, 2006 15:02
6. Posted by gozorak | October 20, 2006 3:05 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
will CNN also show video of the US military slaughtering terrorist assholes? Of course not because it might offend terrorist assholes. That would be far too jingoistic in CNN's mind. Im so tired of mainstream western media's intentional efforts to downplay the nature of the enemy we face. I find myself really hoping that they find themselves at ground zero in the horrible event that another domestic terror event goes down. It would serve them right. Is there anything more laughably pathetic or unserious than CNN's "the Situation Room"? How many boobs rely on CNN or Fox or PMSNBC as their primary source of news?
6. Posted by gozorak | October 20, 2006 3:05 PM |
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Posted on October 20, 2006 15:05
7. Posted by scotty | October 20, 2006 3:16 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
What happened to the "unvarnished truth" when CNN had their people in Iraq during the late 90's ? wasn't that the time that Mr' Jordan admitted CNN not reporting on Saddam's torture and murder all the while reporting Saddam's version of the "unvarnished truth" so they could keep there office open.
7. Posted by scotty | October 20, 2006 3:16 PM |
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Posted on October 20, 2006 15:16
8. Posted by BarneyG2000 | October 20, 2006 3:19 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Why does the Bush administration forbid the publication of photos or video (coffins) of US causalities from Iraq or Afghanistan?
8. Posted by BarneyG2000 | October 20, 2006 3:19 PM |
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Posted on October 20, 2006 15:19
9. Posted by Scrapiron | October 20, 2006 3:20 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
BarneyG2000. Are you sure anyone broadcast it? Confused on who? Would take 30 seconds to find out if and who. You and Lee continue to play dumb and dumber.
9. Posted by Scrapiron | October 20, 2006 3:20 PM |
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Posted on October 20, 2006 15:20
10. Posted by Peter F. | October 20, 2006 3:28 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
If CNN were around in 1943, they'd be broadcasting Toyko Rose. This convinces me of that fact.
You want October Suprises, libs? Try these on for size: Foley's e-mails, the Lancet "report", the leak of the National Intelligence Estimate, the alleged "failure" of Operation Together Forward, Bob Woodward's hack job of a book "State of Denial", the lame ass attempt to save the Plame Affair from the ashes by Ishkoff and Corn in "Hubris" and this sniper "story".
Talk about trying to undermine the morale of a country, my God..
This is the most infruiating and obvious, nay blantant, and concerted effort by the liberally biased media to negatively influence and impact mid-term elections that I can ever recall seeing. What an absolute farce of a press corps we have.
10. Posted by Peter F. | October 20, 2006 3:28 PM |
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Posted on October 20, 2006 15:28
11. Posted by 914 | October 20, 2006 3:30 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
BarneyG2000
Forbid the publication?? You can publish them if You want but why would You??
11. Posted by 914 | October 20, 2006 3:30 PM |
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Posted on October 20, 2006 15:30
12. Posted by BarneyG2000 | October 20, 2006 3:40 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
In March, on the eve of the Iraq war, a directive arrived from the Pentagon at U.S. military bases. "There will be no arrival ceremonies for, or media coverage of, deceased military personnel returning to or departing from Ramstein [Germany] airbase or Dover [Del.] base, to include interim stops," the Defense Department said, referring to the major ports for the returning remains.
Almost like it never happened?
12. Posted by BarneyG2000 | October 20, 2006 3:40 PM |
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Posted on October 20, 2006 15:40
13. Posted by Peter F. | October 20, 2006 3:48 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Barney:
Requests that pictures and/or video of coffins not be shown is done so at the request of the families and their privacy, and it has been a long-standing policy of the US government for many, many years.
You're being disengenuous and deceitful to suggest there is any nefarious plot behind the policy.
13. Posted by Peter F. | October 20, 2006 3:48 PM |
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Posted on October 20, 2006 15:48
14. Posted by Brian | October 20, 2006 3:48 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
You want October Suprises, libs? Try these on for size:
Payback's a bitch, eh?
14. Posted by Brian | October 20, 2006 3:48 PM |
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Posted on October 20, 2006 15:48
15. Posted by Justrand | October 20, 2006 3:51 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Actually the President DID forbid showing photographs of American casualties.
Wilson...Democrat.
During the first World War, the government completely banned publication of images of American dead. The government did not allow a single picture of an American casualty to be published over the entire duration of the war.
Oops...another President did the same thing...
Roosevelt...Democrat.
For first two years of the second world war had the same policy!
I blame Bush.
15. Posted by Justrand | October 20, 2006 3:51 PM |
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Posted on October 20, 2006 15:51
16. Posted by BarneyKillaz | October 20, 2006 3:53 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Barney you the smackdown about the coffins. Be a man admit you were wrong and concede one little point. This needs to happen!
16. Posted by BarneyKillaz | October 20, 2006 3:53 PM |
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Posted on October 20, 2006 15:53
17. Posted by Peter F | October 20, 2006 3:59 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Brian:
Payback? For what? Clinton? Or is it the 2000 elections you still can't get over? Or was it the 2004 elections?
Whatever the case, you must feel reallllllll good about how the press is undermining the security of your country and our troops in the field to say something that stupid.
17. Posted by Peter F | October 20, 2006 3:59 PM |
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18. Posted by Michael | October 20, 2006 4:05 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
If CNN is so interested in showing the "unvarnished truth" about what the terrorists are doing in Iraq, why haven't they shown the immediate aftermath of a suicide bomb attack. Not the standard bloodstains in the streets or the bandaged people in the hospitals, but pieces of children laying in the gutter as their former owners writhe in agony and scream before bleeding out. A few years ago the Bush administration complained to the Israelis that their targeting of Hamas and Hezbullah leaders made things "difficult" for the peace process. When confronted with photographs and video of an attack on a pizzeria full of kids, the complaints stopped immediately.
18. Posted by Michael | October 20, 2006 4:05 PM |
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Posted on October 20, 2006 16:05
19. Posted by BarneyG2000 | October 20, 2006 4:24 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
"Be a man admit you were wrong"
Wrong about what? The policy is in place.
19. Posted by BarneyG2000 | October 20, 2006 4:24 PM |
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Posted on October 20, 2006 16:24
20. Posted by Brian | October 20, 2006 4:26 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Payback? For what?
C'mon, are you really that naive? You guys had the media do your dirty work for you in the 90s, and now you're complaining because the spotlight is turning against you.
Whatever the case, you must feel reallllllll good about how the press is undermining the security of your country and our troops in the field to say something that stupid.
Probably about as good as you did when the press was reporting Republican attacks on Clinton, day and night, with our troops in the field.
October was our bloodiest month in 2 years. Since our push to stablize Baghdad, attacks are up 22%. Generals are calling the campaign a failure. Bush condedes this is similar to Vietnam. Bin laden is free as a bird. The Constitution is being gutted.
On my list of things that are undermining the security of the country and our troops in the field, the media is very low.
20. Posted by Brian | October 20, 2006 4:26 PM |
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Posted on October 20, 2006 16:26
21. Posted by BarneyKillaz | October 20, 2006 4:37 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I knew you were worse than worthless Barney. All I'm asking for is an admission that you were wrong on one little point. You can't even manage that. Subhuman.
21. Posted by BarneyKillaz | October 20, 2006 4:37 PM |
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Posted on October 20, 2006 16:37
22. Posted by Lurking Observer | October 20, 2006 4:43 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Wow, BarneyG.
10 hours of video, five years later. Why, that's, lemme see here, hmmm, carry the two, that works out to an average of two whole hours of video every year!! Talk about wall-to-wall coverage!
I'm curious, do we think that there has been more or less coverage of Abu Ghraib, in terms of hours of news coverage, than 9-11? How about the actual shots of Lyddie England versus the showing of AA77 hitting the Twin Towers?
22. Posted by Lurking Observer | October 20, 2006 4:43 PM |
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Posted on October 20, 2006 16:43
23. Posted by B's Freak | October 20, 2006 4:44 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Why is the argument about what else they would show if they were interested in "all" of the "unvarnished truth"? That accepts the idea that a collection of images edited by a miitant political group and shown to both recruit new members to its cause and dishearten the enemy can be defined as "unvarnished" anything.
23. Posted by B's Freak | October 20, 2006 4:44 PM |
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Posted on October 20, 2006 16:44
24. Posted by VagaBond | October 20, 2006 4:49 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Barney...do me a comparision of Katrina coverage to 9/11 or any other hurricane.
24. Posted by VagaBond | October 20, 2006 4:49 PM |
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Posted on October 20, 2006 16:49
25. Posted by 914 | October 20, 2006 4:50 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
"On my list of things that are undermining the security of the country and our troops in the field,the media is very low."
C'mon the media is not even on Your list..Even though its obviously where you are getting your facts for everything else you stated.
"Our troops were in the field under Clinton?
Oh, you mean that illegal war in Kosovo, Or was it Somalia?
Bin Laden is free as a bird."
If He is alive that is? If you consider hiding amongst the rocks and sand free as a bird? so be it.
"This is like Viet Nam"
In that the media are undermining everything our militarys fighting for and the terrorists know this and are using it for their advantage.
"The constitution is being gutted."
I agree! by liberal activist judges..
25. Posted by 914 | October 20, 2006 4:50 PM |
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26. Posted by Peter F. | October 20, 2006 5:09 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Probably about as good as you did when the press was reporting Republican attacks on Clinton, day and night, with our troops in the field.
First, I voted for the guy. Twice. Second, we never had "boots on the ground" in Bosnia or doing the bombings of Iraq and Sudan. So your comparison is baseless and pointless.
Generals are calling the campaign a failure. Bush condedes this is similar to Vietnam.
Proof that you don't do your homework? Here it is: 1.) Gen. Caldwell did not call Operation Together Forward a "failure". In fact, neither the word "failure" or "unsuccessful" appear in the transcript which I'll conveinently provide for everyone here. In fact--which reporter Nancy Youssef from McClatchy Newspapers "fails" to mention in her article which was spalshed around the country this morning--is that the operation had "not met their overall expectations". And that's as negative as it got.
And your quotation of percentage of the increase in violence is correct it lacks any context. Again, Gen Caldwell's direct words:
"In Baghdad alone, we've seen a 22 percent increase in attacks during the first three weeks of Ramadan, as compared to the three weeks preceding Ramadan.
In Baghdad, Operation Together Forward has made a difference in the focus areas but has not met our overall expectations of sustaining a reduction in the levels of violence. We are working very closely with the government of Iraq to determine how to best to refocus our efforts.
In regards to this spike in violence during Ramadan, it's no coincidence that the surge in attacks against coalition forces and subsequent increase in U.S. casualty -- casualties coincide with our increased presence on the streets in Baghdad and the run-up to the American midterm elections. The enemy knows that killing innocent people and Americans will garner headlines and create a sense of frustration.
Do you see the word "fail" or "failure" in there? No, you don't. In fact, do a search of those words in this doc and you won't find it. Those are the reporter's words, not the General's.
The President, like Thomas Freidman, is wrong in comparing or even remotely likening this up tick in Ramadan violence to the concerted or highly organized and grossly unsuccessful Tet Offensive of 1968. It is nowhere NEAR that at all. Not even the casualities, while significant in Iraq, come nowhere close to the 4000-8000 US wounded or KIA during Tet. Or the the 40,000+ the NVA lost during Tet.
The Constitution is being gutted.
It is? Name ONE loss of The Constitution you've experienced. (Don't worry, you can't. And no, your rhetorical nonsene doesn't count.)
Again the facts prevail over the feckless rhetorical musings of the Left.
26. Posted by Peter F. | October 20, 2006 5:09 PM |
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27. Posted by Lurking Observer | October 20, 2006 5:37 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Peter F:
The irony is that, back in Vietnam, the comparison du jour being touted, it was the press that insisted on labeling it a failure.
This despite the gutting of the VC structure on the ground.
Even more ironic, Dubya, whom liberals immediately assume is an idiot, does not compare it to Vietnam, he notes that, as with the Tet Offensive, there's been an upswing in the violence. Hardly the same thing.
But then, one wonders what liberals or the media (not always the same thing) would have made of the Battle of the Bulge. After all, how else would one describe the surrender of an entire American division?! (The 106th, a new unit, in the Ardennes.)
27. Posted by Lurking Observer | October 20, 2006 5:37 PM |
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28. Posted by michael class | October 20, 2006 6:31 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
"I Can't Watch CNN! Ernie Pyle, I Miss You!" Says Author Michael Class
In new American history book, time-traveling boy discovers war correspondents of the past were better.
On October 19, 2006, CNN aired a video obtained from America's enemy, the Islamic Army of Iraq, showing an Islamic Army sniper targeting and killing an American soldier.
"Like many Americans, I am shocked and outraged by CNN's decision to air the video. The video is enemy propaganda, designed to discourage American support for the war effort," says history book author Michael S. Class. "War correspondents of the past knew better."
Class is the author of a new history book for kids: Anthony and the Magic Picture Frame. In the book, Anthony, the author's real-life son, travels through time to meet the heroes of America's past. Advanced digital photography places Anthony in real historical photographs of Charles Lindbergh, Neil Armstrong, Thomas Edison, Jonas Salk, FDR, Lou Gehrig, and Audie Murphy. Anthony's conversations with the heroes of the past are based on things they really said. The Web site, www.MagicPictureFrame.com, displays some of the book's amazing photographs.
"I wanted to capture the interest of today's kids," says Class, "by turning American history into a grand time travel adventure - with a moral lesson. It's a history book with a lesson for the present day."
Anthony meets American war correspondent Ernie Pyle on Normandy beach on D-Day, June 6, 1944.
"I met a journalist who came ashore with the second wave of GIs," reports Anthony. "He was sitting on the beach, surrounded by the evidence of the day's chaos - crumpled machinery, dead bodies, and spent artillery. His name was Ernie Pyle and he was writing his latest dispatch to the newspapers in the United States."
Ernie Pyle writes the following words in his tattered notebook: "Now that it is over it seems to me a pure miracle that we ever took the beach at all. In this column I want to tell you what this battle entailed, so that you can know and appreciate and forever be humbly grateful to those both dead and alive who did it for you."
Anthony wonders: "Why are there no reporters like Ernie Pyle in my time?"
"Ernie Pyle's style of reporting seemed strange to Anthony," explains Class, "because Ernie Pyle made it clear which side he was on. Ernie Pyle never glorified war, but he explained combat in terms of the sacrifices that American soldiers made on behalf of the people back home. Pyle wrote of the American warrior with a heart-of-gold, fighting the good fight against evil, fighting for a just and moral cause."
Ernie Pyle was one of America's most famous and beloved war correspondents during World War II. Pyle set a new journalistic standard by moving among the soldiers on the front lines. His reporting gave the American people a closeness to war that they had never experienced before. Ernie Pyle died on April 18, 1945, while reporting on the Battle of Okinawa in the Pacific. A movie was made about Ernie Pyle in 1945: The Story of G.I. Joe, starring Burgess Meredith.
"In the new World War," explains Class, "it seems that journalists follow American soldiers into battle only to report on what goes wrong, to focus attention on mistakes, or to get the story from the enemy's point of view. When was the last time you read a newspaper article telling you about the bravery, courage, or success of our troops in battle? Can you imagine a TV news anchor closing a news broadcast with the words: Godspeed to our troops, and our prayers for the swift defeat of the enemy?"
Ernie Pyle was revered by Americans, but Class thinks that history might not be kind to modern-day journalists.
"I can't watch CNN!" says Class. "Ernie Pyle, I miss you!"
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28. Posted by michael class | October 20, 2006 6:31 PM |
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29. Posted by USMC Pilot | October 20, 2006 6:37 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
The history channel has been running a history of VietNam for several days now, and I have noticed that there are in fact some lessons to be learned. Every time the VC and NVA carried out a major offensive it appeared at first that they had a great victory, but the reality was that they suffered tremendous loses and never made any gains. My guess is that history will show that the terrorist are loosing massive amounts of troups and supplies durring this increased activity. They know they can't win a military victory, so hope to win a phycological one as the NVA did in VietNam. The problem is that we publish our casualties, but the enemy doesn't. Since the policy is to not give body counts, the public only hears how many of our troups are being killed. I have also noticed that with the tremendous activity in Iraq it seems that the number of bombings in Irael have greatly dimished, which would also indicate that the terrorist are realy shoting their wad in Iraq.
29. Posted by USMC Pilot | October 20, 2006 6:37 PM |
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30. Posted by Brian | October 20, 2006 6:40 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
>Operation Together Forward... has not met our overall expectations of sustaining a reduction in the levels of violence.
Do you see the word "fail" or "failure" in there?
Oh, please. And Enron did not meet expectations of sustaining a reduction in the levels of losses. And Clinton did not have sexual relations with that woman. We're now supposed to just accept double-speak now?
"Not met expectations of sustaining reduction in violence" =
"We expected it to reduce violence, but it didn't" =
"Its objective was to reduce violence, and it failed at that objective".
Name ONE loss of The Constitution you've experienced. (Don't worry, you can't.
So one now has to actually, in person, experience a loss for it to be acknowledged as a loss to society? Well, I have not been murdered, but I perceive others' murders to be a loss. I have not been arrested without charges brought, but I perceive others' unproven arrests to be a loss. I have not had my privacy violated (...or have I?!), but I perceive others' violations to be a loss. I suppose if the government just promises to be good, we won't even need a Constitution anymore!
And no, your rhetorical nonsene doesn't count.)
That's what the founding document of America is to you... rhetorical nonsense. *sigh*
30. Posted by Brian | October 20, 2006 6:40 PM |
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31. Posted by Hedgy | October 20, 2006 6:52 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Brian,
Your mom is rhetorical nonsense, bitch!
31. Posted by Hedgy | October 20, 2006 6:52 PM |
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32. Posted by 914 | October 20, 2006 7:02 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
"So now one has to actually, in person experience a loss for it to be aknowledge as a loss for society?"
Well yes, The question was what constitutional right have you personally lost?
Since You cannot name one it is clear none have been lost..
One example would suffice?
32. Posted by 914 | October 20, 2006 7:02 PM |
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Posted on October 20, 2006 19:02
33. Posted by Brian | October 20, 2006 7:36 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
>"So now one has to actually, in person experience a loss for it to be aknowledged as a loss for society?"
Well yes
Ugh, what a shockingly stupid argument. It's unfathomable that anyone could actually hold such a philosophy, one that isn't right or left, but that violates logic itself. So I must conclude that you're simply baiting me. Well, I haven't personally been threatened by Saddam Hussein, so we shouldn't have invaded Iraq. So there.
33. Posted by Brian | October 20, 2006 7:36 PM |
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Posted on October 20, 2006 19:36
34. Posted by 914 | October 20, 2006 8:02 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
"What a shockingly stupid argument"
I agree, It was Your argument.
And You left out My quote after " well yes,The question was what right have You personally lost?" And the answer is Zero.
Thank You very much!
34. Posted by 914 | October 20, 2006 8:02 PM |
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35. Posted by field negro | October 20, 2006 8:24 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
"...applied in countless ways. Maybe we could see video of some of those liberal politicians claiming to be men and women of the people walking out the front doors of their million dollar homes. Or maybe we could watch some radical environmentalist liberals flying around in their private jets and limousines."
Or maybe we could watch some sanctimonious conservative politician cheating on his wife. Or, cheating on the American people by taking money from people who do not serve our best interests.
35. Posted by field negro | October 20, 2006 8:24 PM |