Convenient that you forgot all the conservatives who have been gunning him for years.

If he fires Rummy, then the SOB might as well turn the Oval Office over to Hitlery right now, because he will have sold out Iraq and kicked our troops in the crotch.

Christ on a crutch, he's the PRESIDENT! He should tell the treasonous MSM and every sleazebag Democrat to screw.

CNN says Rumsfeld is stepping down.

Wow, this just gets better and better.

I omniloathe every single one of you who was talking about how the Republicans 'needed to be shown something'.

Shown what? How to achieve the epic high score in the game of Ritual Political Suicide?

"I'm guessing the buzz will be that he will announce Secretary Rumsfeld's resignation."

Wait a minute - Didn't Bush just say last week that he was behind Rummy 100% - that there would be NO CHANGE.

What a liar. The Republicans in Washington have no principles. Political whores, nothing less.

Lee, you'd bitch if you were handed a winning Powerball ticket.

Did you ever stop and think maybe Rumsfeld stepped down on his own accord, Lee? No wait, that would imply you think at all.

Lee is just a troll (and an as*hole) who takes childish delight at stirring things up. Got to stop feeding him/her which is what I intend to do from now on.

Lies Bush told last week.

- The GOP Will hold the House and Senate.

- Rumsfeld will not step down. We're behind him 100%

This isn't BDS - this is reality folks. There is a liar in the White House.

Sad thing is if Bush had canned Rumsfeld last week the GOP could have saved the election. But I guess Rummy was doing an exellent job up until today?

I'd like to believe that Rumsfeld decided of his own accord 'Oh, fuck this, I'd rather retire now than stick around to be the scapegoat for all of the screwups Speaker Pelosi is going to cause when she yanks funding for Iraq' than believe he was thrown out the door.

It makes sense, in a way. If President Bush was sacrificing Rumsfeld for political expediency, isn't the time for that *BEFORE* the election?

There will not be another election until President Bush retires, and Rumsfeld goes with him anyway.

Bush is stammering as he answers the question "why now"? He's caught in a lie again....

Bush having a prediction = a lie, Lee? I suppose every time you've been wrong, it's been a lie? You're such a tool.

What a liar. The Republicans in Washington have no principles. Political whores, nothing less.

Lee, grow up. Seriously. It gets old when your 4 year old comes to 'tattle' everytime another child does something they don't like. It also gets old when you attempt to label everything you disagree with or something isn't as you believed it to be a 'lie'. Are you really that big of a moron or are you that intellectually dishonest ?

It's a measure of my current depression that I'm actually wasting my lunch hour in as futile an endeavor as trying to teach Lee the rudiments of civility, but...

Dude, we'd even accept gloating from you today, given that the Democrats actually did win the elections. The guys you voted for won, so have a dance.

OTOH, there is a difference between celebrating victory, and trying to deliberately foster other peoples' misery to take pleasure in.

Or, to put it in plainer English, you have a chance to earn a lot of cred by being a gracious winner. You are pissing that chance away.

I'm afraid I don't know much about Robert Gates... anyone have anything to say about him? Thanks.

Chuckg - Your feelings about what's going on in Washington may have changed today -- mine haven't. I'm not doing anything I wasn't saying or doing before the election. I'm not the political whore around here... and I suspect you aren't either.

The above statement from Lee should read:

Lee:
I'm not the [only] political whore around here [; just the biggest]...

No wonder the GOP lost. They are as spineless as most of the rest of U.S. How long before we turn into France. Those of us in the military are very sad to see Rumsfeild go. The U.S. citizens lost Vietnam and now they are trying to lose Iraq, which will be of great detriment for the U.S. in the long run. We are fat and weak. Like all great society, the U.S. downfall will be from within.

Lee,

I'm confused. Why aren't you happy about this? I know I am. Fresh eyes and a presepctive are needed.

Owners of sports teams always say they back so-and-so before giving them the ax. When a president of any sports organization says "he(the coach) has our complete confidence; we don't plan on making any changes" that's code for "we're giving him time to get his resume together and get feelers out there." That doesn't make them liars, it just means they don't want to embarass the coach or undermine the confidence of the players. Everybody "knows" what it means.

I absolutely believe this model holds true politics. It doesn't make owners of organizations or Presidents liars. It's just business (or politcis).

I look at it as Bush giving his first peace offering to the Dems. Be happy about it. Then again, be careful of what you wish for. Because as Forrest Gump says "you never know what you're gonna get...". ;-)

"Political whores, nothing less."

I can't believe I'm actually agreeing with a POS like you, Lee, but I am.

I just got off the phone with Conyers' office and told them to start impeachment proceedings right now.

Incredible. The traitors on the left haven't even finished doing their happy dance yet, and a frantic, gutless Bush throws Rummy under the bus. Thanks, Dubya. Way to repay loyalty.

Like I said on another thread, Lee - it's your power now. Choke on it. I'm too disgusted to care anymore. I only hope I live long enough to see the stunned shock on your faces when a nuke vaporizes LA or NY or Chicago. Maybe then you'll admit there's a war on. Not that it will make any difference by then.

I'll say it again. Impeach Bush. NOW!

Impeachment is dumb. It ain't gonna happen.

"I only hope I live long enough to see the stunned shock on your faces when a nuke vaporizes LA or NY or Chicago".

The publication of those bomb-making documents on the internet that was shut down last week - it made that possibility a lot more real.

The documents were published so the conservo-bloggers could maybe find something that would Republicans get re-elected.

You hoping Americans die makes you one sick puppy, but it isn't surprising.

Lee:

Lies Bush told last week. - The GOP Will hold the House and Senate. - Rumsfeld will not step down. We're behind him 100% This isn't BDS - this is reality folks. There is a liar in the White House. Sad thing is if Bush had canned Rumsfeld last week the GOP could have saved the election. But I guess Rummy was doing an exellent job up until today?

Contrary to most here, on both sides, I beleive this is an astute political move. I mentioned in another thread, that one of my biggest fears is that the government will stall and become paralyzed by this division. Pelosi said that a condition of open discussion with her and Bush would need to begin with Rumsfeld's resignation.

Bush realizes that nothing can get done if the government is divided. Rumsfeld was sacrificed on the altar of this idea. I don't beleive it's fair, but I think it's a step towards a unified government...that is of course this isn't just the first of many demands made by Madam Speaker Pelosi. We'll see how much this helps.

As far as Bush's "lies", Lee. Bush made a prediction, which was wrong. How is making an erroneous prediction equal to lying?
As far as Rumsfeld, I still think Bush is behind him 100%, but in order to open dialogue, Rumsfeld had to be dismissed.
Had Republicans kept the majority, as Bush predicted, Rumsfeld would have stayed.

I think, perhaps, you should handle victory as gracefully as this administration has handled defeat. It will look pretty bad if certain decisions executed by Democrats turn foul after you spent a good amount of time gloating.

The election isn't even 24 hours over, and Lee is already rushiing to lay the groundwork for why Democrats will not be responsible for one single thing that happens on their watch.

Dude, at least wait until they're sworn in before cutting and running.

Ding Dong! The Witch is dead. Which old Witch? The Wicked Witch!
Ding Dong! The Wicked Witch is dead.
Wake up - sleepy head, rub your eyes, get out of bed.
Wake up, the Wicked Witch is dead. She's gone where the goblins go,
Below - below - below. Yo-ho, let's open up and sing and ring the bells out.
Ding Dong' the merry-oh, sing it high, sing it low.
Let them know
The Wicked Witch is dead!

As far as Bush's "lies", Lee. Bush made a prediction, which was wrong. How is making an erroneous prediction equal to lying?

Using Lee's utterly moronic use of the word 'lie', meteorologists are the biggest liars of all. Either Lee is a moron or he's completely dishonest.

astifaga,

Don't you think it's a bit premature to be talking about Pelosi's defeat as house speaker?

Hey, my boy Chuckg:

The election isn't even 24 hours over, and Lee is already rushiing to lay the groundwork for why Democrats will not be responsible for one single thing that happens on their watch.

So riddle me this, neocon genius: was Clinton then responsible for the very real, very demonstrable and measurable prosperity that occurred during his watch?

I love you people. I absolutely love you people.
You just make me feel so smart.

Gates and his tenure at and plans for Texas A&M are the subject of the cover story f this month's Texas Monthly. He almost quit the post to take the Director of National Intelligence position, but decided that he could make a bigger difference by staying at A&M. Gates was competing with Phil Gramm for the A&M presidency; in his interviews with the regents, he said, "I am an agent of change. If you don't want change, don't hire me."

"Bush made a prediction, which was wrong. How is making an erroneous prediction equal to lying?"

He had the same polling data everyone else had - and everyone else knew the House would fall at a minimum. Look at the bloggers predictions from last nights CNN-fest. 90% of them knew the House would fall.

Was he lying to the American people, or just plain stupid?

Don't you think it's a bit premature to be talking about Pelosi's defeat as house speaker?

Gives you plenty of time to shop for moonshine, Harold.

Was Clinton responsible for passing up multiple attempts to get Bin Laden before he attacked America?

I await with morbid interest your mental gymnastics that let him take credit for the economy while simultaneously ducking responsibility for 9/11.

That's the problem with Bush - his credibility with a large part of the American public is less than zero.

Look folks, reporters asked during the press conference today if VP Cheney would be resigning too. That is wholly unprecedented - for the country to get to this low point. Bush's performance today made that worse - not better.

"How is making an erroneous prediction equal to lying?"

Why are you even debating this? Relying on pretty much everyone in the world's opinion on Iraq's weapons...lying. Saying it's a nice day when it's actually a little overcast...lying. Saying you support someone then accepting their resignation...lying. Saying your team is going to make it to the superbowl then losing...lying.

Aren't you all feeling sick enough today without cramming your head in a reeking, empty-headed troll's mouth to argue about which of their teeth is most rotten?

By that logic, astigafa, why the hell should we even have elections? Let's just have polls and surveys and have them declare the winners. After all, they're NEVER wrong.

There's a REASON elections are called "the only poll that counts." Every other poll is just practice, guesswork, hunches.

I am sorely tempted to go back over Lee's comments with a fine-tooth comb, find a prediction or promise he made, call HIM a liar, and ban him on those grounds.

Hell, I already have that -- six months ago he PROMISED me he'd e-mail the name of at least one suspected sock puppet, and that was LONG before the Glenn Greenwald kerfuffle. He never did, and has said he has no intention of doing so. I guess that makes him a LIAR and a FRAUD and I ought to impeach ban him, right?

J.

astifaga:

Gives you plenty of time to shop for moonshine, Harold.

I guess you are smarter than me, because that went way over my head.

and Harold?

Lee,

He had the same polling data everyone else had - and everyone else knew the House would fall at a minimum. Look at the bloggers predictions from last nights CNN-fest. 90% of them knew the House would fall.

Apparently by looking at polls, we wouldn't even have to vote since they declare a definite winner prior to the fact?
Excellent, screw the government, it's fallible. I want to run my country based on CNN polls!

Oh, I guess I just repeated Jay's sentiment.