Time for the U.S. to withdraw its troops from Old Europe, methinks.

Let's be sure to direct the disgust appropriately. Germany just happens to be the country the plantiffs filed in. Last time a filing was made Germany through the case out. Merkel isn't an enemy of the US.

The US former military colonel who is testifying on their behalf, however, should be reviled. She is blatantly selling out her country to protect the fact that Abu Gharib happened while she was in charge, in country and supposedly out of the loop. She either has to claim it was her boss's fault or admit she was completely incompetent.

Agreed. And how high can we make protectionist duties on Mercedes and BMW vehicles?

They can file whatever they want, same as in America, Rumsfeld and the rest can ignore it, they might as well file a suit against Santa Claus, in his official capacity, along with the other 'defendants'...in another country? Forget it, the only troubling thing is if their government actually makes supportive noises...right now it just sounds like nuts filing a case for publicity, happens all the time.

" Rumsfeld's resignation, they say, means that the former Defense Secretary will lose the legal immunity usually accorded high government officials." This is just ignorance, if he's resigned then he's not responsible for anything that's not covered by his immunity. Two outcomes: Germany tells them to stuff it, again, or Germany tries to make a stink about it and Merkel loses whatever relations she's trying to build with the US, it's their choice.

Incidentally, this is another good reason to promote the anti-ICC stance. Gimme a break, terrorists suing US officials in Germany over alleged actions in Cuba.

Shit. You know how all of the liberal-progressive weenies whine about the "chilling effect" on free speech in America as a result of the Patriot Act? What utter CRAP.

Instead, THIS is the REAL "chilling effect" of giving even an inch to the ICC, one-world nutjobs.

This is scary.

Well, we have troops in Germany to act as a tripwire to discourage ground invasion by the USSR.

What is wrong with THAT picture?

Gen. Karpinski should not get a pass on her behavior. Retired flag officers aren't released from all their obligations.

I agree with Faith+1. When I first saw Drudge's alert, I thought it meant that Germany's government was intending to prosecute Rumsfeld. When I clicked the link, it was clear that it was merely the location within the EU where the plaintiffs chose to file their lawsuit, a completely different and less galling situation. It's a lot less offensive when you consider that it's a few p.o.'d Iraqis and their deep-pocket-dreaming attorneys, and not Merkel's administration doing the suing!

I just finished reading "The Looming Tower (Al-Quada and The Road to 9/11). Great, great book. I was so pissed off after reading this about Germany:

The new Germany had carefully enshrined tolerance in its consitution, including the most openhanded political asylum policy in the world. Acknowledged terrorist groups were allowed to operate legally, raising money and recruits-but only if they were foreign terrorists, not domestic. It was not even against the law to plan a terrorist operation so long as the attack took place outside the country.

The unspoken compact that the Germans made with the radical foreign elements inside their country was that if Germans themselves were not attacked, they would be left alone. In recoiling from its extremist past, Germany inadvertently became the host of a new totalitarian movement.

Falze: "this is another good reason to promote the anti-ICC stance."

No doubt. Its structurally incapable of pursuing justice. An illusion bought into by those who misunderstand the nature of power, and those who do understand it, but are nasty bastards.

I have a feeling the new congress will uncover some pretty nasty things traceable to Rumsfeld. Hence Bush's lie about Rummy and his dismissal soon after the election.

Why would Rummy care anyways? Germany can't touch him.

She is blatantly selling out her country to protect the fact that Abu Gharib happened while she was in charge, in country and supposedly out of the loop

Exactly, and pasted below is the key word highlighted.

Lawyers for the plaintiffs say that one of the witnesses who will testify on their behalf is former Brig. Gen. Janis Karpinski, the one-time commander of all U.S. military prisons in Iraq

The key word is former Brigadier General.

I was on a Mobile Training Team out of Fort Benning and I worked with a lot of Reserve Units.

There are some great weekend warriors out there. A lot of prior Active Duty makes up the senior leadership.

However, and I hate to say it, but there were a few that did more weekending than warrior-ing.

The General (ahem) correction, the Colonel was a dud.

You prior military out there reading this will know exactly what I'm talking about here.

Why was there no staff duty officer or NCO making the rounds in that prison? Obviously the little partiers in that cellblock didn't worry about anyone what's so ever checking in on them.

This tells me what a weak commander she was. How did she know what the hell was going on throughout the prison if her key leaders were not making the rounds, writing an activity report, and briefing her. She was either just completely incompetent or seriously lazy or a combination of the two.

This story is dead on arrival. She hasn't a leg to stand on and she's the key witness. End of story.

I have a feeling the new congress will uncover some pretty nasty things traceable to Rumsfeld

And I just shook my Magic 8 Ball and it says "All signs point to NO".

And to think my prediction is just as good as what your brain thought out.

But really I think you just wanted someone to notice you.

There, how's that?

State Senator Shea-Porter, the newly-elected member of congress from NH-01, supports "ending the Iraq war and redirecting funds from the $500 billion annual military spending in the U.S." OK, a good place to start cutting defense spending is eliminating NATO and pulling out of Germany.

Kim, I'm not entirely sure why you think it's so disgusting that foreigners might want to try your politicians for the war crimes that they clearly committed. But I do take some small comfort from your insistence - if you are not a total hypocrite, I'm sure you will now agree that your troops should get the hell out of our countries, go back home where they belong and leave the rest of us alone.

Yeah, cat, and next time you find your land getting invaded, we just might decide to stay home and not answer your emergency call.

Okay Cat. Next time your country needs help, don't come crawling to us. What you idiots don't understand is that we, the mighty USA, are always there for those who need us. And we're treated like shit for it. Go back to your litter box, Cat, and stay there. Meanwhile, we'll continue to do the right thing, and protect people from the murderous terrorists who want us all converted to Islam. WE WILL NOT SUBMIT.

Kim, I'm not entirely sure why you think it's so disgusting that foreigners might want to try your politicians for the war crimes that they clearly committed

Using this same reasoning, it is fair to conclude that explosive devices were planted throughout the WTC to bring them down so we could start a war to take over Middle Eastern oil fields. Oh, and the Jews were warned in advance.

This "theory" has been endorsed and verified by top scientists and engineers. I know this because left-wingers have provided links and told me to open my eyes. (Truth to power or something)

It comes from the same playbook of uncovering the evil that is the Bush administration and Republicans in general so let's lump this one in with it. Sounds reasonable to me.

And if you don't think this is real, well then, I can introduce you to some Democrat voters that can get pretty vicious on you not seeing the....(as you put it....clearly committed) acts.

FLIP 'EM THE FINGER, RUMMY! They may want to claim jurisdiction over an American national, but they haven't got a cowardly leg to stand on.

Let's see, how many times did we kick Germany's ass in the 20th century?

Just how much Kool Aid do you drink in one day Jumpinjoe?

I have never read such absolute and utterly false drivel in my life - and I'm OLD!

Henry

We don't want you to submit. We want you to go home. But I forgot, you're already home - it's your soldiers that keep shooting us, your air force that keeps bombing us. You just sit at home cheering them on at no risk to yourself.

We don't want your so-called help that always ends up in our people dying. We want you to mind your own business and sort out your own problems and stop sticking your big noses into ours. You know so little about the world outside your borders, it's not surprising that almost everything you do out here makes things ten times worse than they were before.

cat,
I am curious. Just so I can get a handle on the views you espouse, in what country do you live? And are you a citizen of that country?

Jumpinjoe, if explosives were used in the WTC, and the evidence is clear, why is this not covered in the MSM which clearly has little affection for the Bush administration?

Gayle,

When I said this:

This "theory" has been endorsed and verified by top scientists and engineers. I know this because left-wingers have provided links and told me to open my eyes

I was being sarcastic.

Here: Sarcasm Off/

Put it to you this way, when a lefty says "clearly committed", then don't those lefties that are dedicated to proving their theory that 9-11 was an inside job and they too claim "clearly committed" because they have "truth to power".

Shouldn't they also get their investigation?

I would love to see it.

Jumpinjoe, if explosives were used in the WTC, and the evidence is clear, why is this not covered in the MSM which clearly has little affection for the Bush administration

Rumor has it that the media is right wing and run by corporations who are hiding the truth to protect the Bush administration.

You haven't heard this?

I do believe I have been called "stupid" on the AOL message boards for not seeing the light on this obvious suppression of news.

We don't want you to submit. We want you to go home. But I forgot, you're already home - it's your soldiers that keep shooting us, your air force that keeps bombing us. You just sit at home cheering them on at no risk to yourself

cat person,

If you are being shot at by Americans then don't point weapons in their direction. Mmmmmmmmmm-kay......

Oh and another thing, if you don't control those that practice the same religion of peace from flying eff'in airplanes into our skyscrapers, then we'll have to do it.

If you start denouncing it loud and clear and stop it at its source then chances are we wouldn't have to. Would we now?

You do that for me and I promise you we will not have a war. Deal?

Litter Box Queen Cat... Guess what? I am a proud member of the greatest military on Earth (US Marine) and have already been to Iraq and back. I know more about what's going on than you possibly could (unless you are an Iraqi.) I willingly serve, and will be there to do my duty. Looks like YOU'RE the one sitting home... bitching and moaning about things you have no idea about. I notice you won't say where you're from... you're probably just a California liberal pretender. Go crawl back under your rock. Long live the USA. WE WILL NOT SUBMIT.

Rummy just needs to go the Fidel route. "History will absolve me"... Problem is, the history that will absolve Rumsfeld will be written in American blood.

cat,

But I forgot, you're already home - it's your soldiers that keep shooting us, your air force that keeps bombing us. You just sit at home cheering them on at no risk to yourself.

I don't know where you're from, but judging by what you said, let's for the sake of argument say Iraq.

Who's doing the killing there? Who's blowing up kids, kidnapping hundereds of people and executing them? It's not the U.S. forces. There are many more Muslims killed by Muslims than by us.

We don't sit at home and cheer on death, cat...no one wants to see that. Maybe just for a moment, just a moment, entertain that we are trying to do something good.

It is a good thing Bush Renig'd on our agreement to participate in the world court:

UNITED NATIONS - The Bush administration will not take part in the International Criminal Court scheduled to be ratified next month and is considering removing its signature from the treaty that created it, a top war crimes envoy said yesterday.

''The US is not and will not be part of the ICC,'' said Pierre Prosper, the State Department's ambassador at large for war crimes issues, told reporters in New York.

It is if he knew?

For far too long I have felt that Rumsfeld has borne too much of the blame for the Iraq fiasco, and for Guantanamo. The culprit that the Germans really should charge with a crime is, of course, the acting Commander-in-Chief, Bush (or the real Commander-in-Chief, Cheney).

Propaganga: Take some random filing in a small jurisdiction somewhere, then blow it up out of proportion.

Not that I wouldn't like that Saudi or those Iraqis to have some method of redress for being abused while innocent, but war crimes won't be on the table.

The culprit that the Germans really should charge with a crime is, of course, the acting Commander-in-Chief, Bush (or the real Commander-in-Chief, Cheney

The first witness I would like to call on behalf of the defense is John Kerry.

Senator Kerry, in 2003 you said this:

"(W)e need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime. We all know the litany of his offenses. He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation. ...And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction. That is why the world, through the United Nations Security Council, has spoken with one voice, demanding that Iraq disclose its weapons programs and disarm. So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real, but it is not new. It has been with us since the end of the Persian Gulf War

and then this......

I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force if necessary to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security.

My question for you is, WTF?

Don't take this too serious, they are only a few disgruntled idiots out for money. Has nothing to do with the government of any of the countries, including Germany. They simply went liberal court shopping, another lesson learned from the dim's. Even out of power the dim's have tainted the world.

With Russia sliding fast back into communism the Germans have a big problem and they will want our help. Be stupid and get told, you're on your own.

"Germany was chosen for the court filing because German law provides "universal jurisdiction" allowing for the prosecution of war crimes and related offenses that take place anywhere in the world."

LMAO they can take their "universal jurisdiction" and stick it where the sun don't shine!!

jp2 you must have shit for brains.