The Democrats promised to work with the GOP in a show of bipartisanship. Yet they are now backing away from that pledge, just like their pledge to deliver a Congress that's more ethical than it was under the Republicans:
But instead of allowing Republicans to fully participate in deliberations, as promised after the Democratic victory in the Nov. 7 midterm elections, Democrats now say they will use House rules to prevent the opposition from offering alternative measures, assuring speedy passage of the bills and allowing their party to trumpet early victories.
Nancy Pelosi, the Californian who will become House speaker, and Steny H. Hoyer of Maryland, who will become majority leader, finalized the strategy over the holiday recess in a flurry of conference calls and meetings with other party leaders. A few Democrats, worried that the party would be criticized for reneging on an important pledge, argued unsuccessfully that they should grant the Republicans greater latitude when the Congress convenes on Thursday.The episode illustrates the dilemma facing the new party in power. The Democrats must demonstrate that they can break legislative gridlock and govern after 12 years in the minority, while honoring their pledge to make the 110th Congress a civil era in which Democrats and Republicans work together to solve the nation's problems. Yet in attempting to pass laws key to their prospects for winning reelection and expanding their majority, the Democrats may have to resort to some of the same tough tactics Republicans used the past several years.
Democratic leaders say they are torn between giving Republicans a say in legislation and shutting them out to prevent them from derailing Democratic bills.
They're torn? Who does the Washington Post think they're fooling? We're talking about the Democrat leadership here. They are not torn, not even close. They have no problem with steamrolling over the Republicans. Likewise, they will violate any promise, pledge, or rule if it gets in the way of their attaining more power.
More on the "torn" Democrats here:
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This is called politics. Pe... (Below threshold)1. Posted by Chris G | January 2, 2007 7:41 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
This is called politics. People should not waste too much time hand-wringing. The Democrats are doing what the majority power
should do, and that is govern/push their agenda.
The party in power should not leave the president (of the same party) out to dry on issues like Social Security, tax reform, ethics reform, and fighting terrorism, as the Republican congress did. Bush got most of the '04 class elected, and they bailed on him starting with Social Security reform. Someone please tell the Republicans not to start bitchin' about lack of opportunities in a Dem controlled congress, when they could not close the deal beforehand.
Besides, I say don't co-pilot the plane. Get in the back as a passenger and enjoy the ride. If something goes wrong, and it usually does, the Dems will have sole accountability as they have demanded. If they do well, it means the Republicans will have to get off of their back-sides and deliver a better platform to the American public.
1. Posted by Chris G | January 2, 2007 7:41 PM |
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2. Posted by sam | January 2, 2007 8:07 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Elections have consequences.
2. Posted by sam | January 2, 2007 8:07 PM |
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Posted on January 2, 2007 20:07
3. Posted by Rob LA Ca. | January 2, 2007 8:08 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
So your saying that there should have been nothing on the floor to vote for right? Bolton should have just been the job and the whining and crying democrats should have just shut up , not obstructed and not denied him a vote?
"the Dems will have sole accountability as they have demanded."
What a bunch of crap! The incompetant failures of a Democrat Mayor and Governor in a majority democrat state fell all over themselves blaming President Bush for Katrina.
"If they do well"
Like after Bagdad was taken and the Democrats were in full panic mode and their political careers going down the toilet? Thus was born the democrats emergency plan for survival, "Blame Bush". The most shameless lie of the 21 Century, "Bush lied , people died". It's pathetic that the only thing the democrats had to offer were more lies and fraud to get them the Majority. Ever heard of their motto... "SAY ANYTHING" , "DO WHATEVER IT TAKES"?
3. Posted by Rob LA Ca. | January 2, 2007 8:08 PM |
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4. Posted by Lee | January 2, 2007 8:14 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Care for some cheese with your whine, Republicans?
You reap what you sow, and the Republicans in D.C. have sown a lot worse than what they'll get in return. Immature babies that they are, they will still cry.
Let the American public see the Republicans whine about fairness for a while - give us all a big laugh!
4. Posted by Lee | January 2, 2007 8:14 PM |
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Posted on January 2, 2007 20:14
5. Posted by Larkin | January 2, 2007 8:21 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Who has any doubt that the Republicans would do nothing but obstruct and pick apart the Democratic agenda in the new Congress?
If the Dems stop the practice of earmarking and open-ended voting times then that is enough for me.
5. Posted by Larkin | January 2, 2007 8:21 PM |
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Posted on January 2, 2007 20:21
6. Posted by Herman | January 2, 2007 8:22 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Hey, if Bush could claim 51% as some sort of mandate from the American people, then the Democrats can certainly claim 54 percent (54 percent of all House races won!) as a mandate from the American people demanding change.
As Lee said, conservatives, you reap what you sow.
6. Posted by Herman | January 2, 2007 8:22 PM |
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Posted on January 2, 2007 20:22
7. Posted by Hugh | January 2, 2007 9:09 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
In what has to be the biggest set of brass ball hypocrisy in quite a while these whiners from the House want a Bill of Rights for Republicans.
http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/002257.php
It's hard for me to be struck wordless but this comes close.
P.S. This was from another thread.
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7. Posted by Hugh | January 2, 2007 9:09 PM |
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8. Posted by Robert | January 2, 2007 9:13 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Pull a page from the Republican handbook.
Shake their hands, look them in the eye, tell them you believe you can work together..and then beat them over the head with that mallet you have in your other hand.
While you're at it, if you are to screw-up to the tune of say- having 3000 Americans die on your watch--tell them finger-pointing is not the answer.
Anybody on this page think that if Gore was in power on 9/11 that he wouldn't have been impeached? Do you think they would have hung the 3k dead around his neck during his re-election campaign?
If you answered "No", you either aren't paying ANY attention, or your a liar.
And Rob in CA,
Sit down. Bush is letting soldiers die, because to do the right thing isn't politically expedient for him.
8. Posted by Robert | January 2, 2007 9:13 PM |
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Posted on January 2, 2007 21:13
9. Posted by MikeSC | January 2, 2007 9:24 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
It's time for the GOP to bottleneck everything. Filibuster every single bill, have Bush veto every single bill until this stops.
Constantly harp on the ethical problems of the Dem leadership.
Tar the entire lot of them. Smear them relentlessly.
It's time the GOP stops playing nice. Bush made the mistake of letting the Dems help with legislation and we got No Child Left Behind.
It's now time for the GOP to not allow a single bill to pass.
-=Mike
9. Posted by MikeSC | January 2, 2007 9:24 PM |
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Posted on January 2, 2007 21:24
10. Posted by jpm100 | January 2, 2007 9:26 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
The House was never meant to be controlled by a Party. The Founders were familiar with the binary control of the Parliamentary system and took no steps to encourage that. The trappings of Party control were added long after.
Its threads like this that make me wish Parties were banned.
But then Lee wouldn't know what to do.
10. Posted by jpm100 | January 2, 2007 9:26 PM |
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Posted on January 2, 2007 21:26
11. Posted by aRepukelican | January 2, 2007 9:44 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Kim
If the Democratic Congress uses the same partisan tactics innaugarated by the partisan GOP in their '94 revolution, I'd say that the Democrats have finally made the procees bipartisan. What was good for mthe goose is good for the gander.
Quit the phoney whine. The Republicans would otherwise use their tactics to deny the country an improved minimum wage, expanded health care, medicare drug reform etc.
11. Posted by aRepukelican | January 2, 2007 9:44 PM |
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12. Posted by mantis | January 2, 2007 9:46 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Right-wing comedy gold:
Bipartisanship is a Thing of the Past
It's time the GOP stops playing nice.
The House was never meant to be controlled by a Party.
Ah, how we will miss those nice, bipartisan days of Tom Delay, Trent Lott, and Bill Frist.
12. Posted by mantis | January 2, 2007 9:46 PM |
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13. Posted by John | January 2, 2007 9:50 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Gosh, Kim... That's soooooo sad.
Republicans have been doing exactly that for a decade.
You've completly shut the loyal opposition out of any part of the law making process, except the part where they get steamrollered during the vote.
You guys INVENTED this stategy.
You want to bitch now?
13. Posted by John | January 2, 2007 9:50 PM |
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14. Posted by MikeSC | January 2, 2007 10:04 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Dems are the evil of the world. The sooner we silence them through filibustering, the better our lives will be.
They are responsible for our plight in Iraq. They are the reason our President had to lie. They are the catalyst for which the lives of many Americans were lost.
We are better under our current President. He is a principled, honest man with knowledge only a chosen few can understand. He will lead us to the promised land of peace and prosperity. He is my hero and I pledge my life to this great man.
Those who oppose this great man deserve to be confined to the putrid, feces-laden gallows of permanent purgatory. Only the chosen know how pure and perfect this war is. We will be the victors while all you others wallow in your own cowardly filth.
I am oedipus.
14. Posted by MikeSC | January 2, 2007 10:04 PM |
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15. Posted by civil behavior | January 2, 2007 10:04 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Exit Polls from November
Whites 51% Dems 46% Rep
Blacks 82% Dems 10% Rep
Hispanics 86% Dem 7% Rep
Asians 55% Dems 30% Rep
The rest 78% Dems 14% Rep
Me thinks the good old boys club will go the way of VHS tapes and Dems will continue to win elections for a long time to come.
15. Posted by civil behavior | January 2, 2007 10:04 PM |
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16. Posted by OregonMuse | January 2, 2007 10:06 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I'll agree that Delay was extremely good at making life miserable for Democrats, but Trent Lott? Good grief man, that hapless turkey was knocked out by one punch. The rest of the GOP senate took away his leadership position and sent him to sit in the corner after making that stupid remark at that Strom Thurmond affair. If the GOP Senate was as rabid as you seem to think, he never would have resigned. He would have said "screw you" and made a joke about Hillary Clinton's ankles.
And Bill "Milquetoast" Frist? You gotta be kidding.
The entire GOP senate is a f'n joke, as far as I'm concerned. Even with their 56-seat majority, they couldn't manage to get a number of Bush's judicial appointments past the Democrats' obstruction tactics, which, incidentally the Democrat party invented (cf. Robert Bork).
If the Democrats think that non-entities like Bill Frist are partisan attack dogs, they really must be a bunch of wussies.
16. Posted by OregonMuse | January 2, 2007 10:06 PM |
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17. Posted by jhow66 | January 2, 2007 10:27 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
It is hillarious how all the left wingies go around pounding their chest shouting-WE WON,WE WON. Now we get to see what they do with it. Lets see now 1st there was the deal with "Jackie Murtha"-then "Alec Hastings"-then "Cold Cash Jefferson"-then "Dingy Harry" (the ethical man with 3 sons that get paid to lobby their own dad)-on and on and....... Then we have 100 hours to drain the "swamp". (Hope they get all the schools buses started in time.) Then the ethic laws are next (better hurry before the "ice" melts for old "cold cash") Then next is the earmarks-sure they will. Then next is the bill to make bridges wider. Then next is a bill that makes all face lifts free-(west coast only). Then next is to cut funds for the arm forces-now don't gets us wrong, we support our troops. Wait, Wait, Wait, Bush ain't gone yet. Can you say VETO?
17. Posted by jhow66 | January 2, 2007 10:27 PM |
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18. Posted by groucho | January 2, 2007 11:17 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
MikeSC
Hilarious! Excellent post. Love the satire. I think you've got ol'jhow topped this time!
18. Posted by groucho | January 2, 2007 11:17 PM |
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19. Posted by Purple Avenger | January 3, 2007 12:33 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Now we get to see what they do with it.
"Cold Cash" Jefferson is still in.
Chuck "black bag tricks" Schumer is still in.
Conyers ethics issues swept under the rug.
So far so good...
19. Posted by Purple Avenger | January 3, 2007 12:33 AM |
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20. Posted by SilverBubble | January 3, 2007 12:38 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I thought Bush was supposed to work to be a "uniter" not a "divider". They bitched about it for years when the GOP did it, but now that the Dems are doing it it's suddenly OK.
Really, people, both sides have done it eery chane they could get. It's called politics.
20. Posted by SilverBubble | January 3, 2007 12:38 AM |
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Posted on January 3, 2007 00:38
21. Posted by Scrapiron | January 3, 2007 12:56 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I will stop by the Office Depot tomorrow and mail President Bush a case of 'Veto' pens.
Sometimes the dem's forget they can't override a veto. The only thing they can override is a bridge (Kennedy) and a cop car (Kennedy). The dhimmi's are only dangerous on the roads of America. The will most likely get a few million Americans killed by their friends the terrorists, but their governing style will only result in continuing the type destruction of the 90's.
They do have class, putting a known criminal in almost every chairman position. Wonder if they can have Algore hype Worldcom again so millions will lose their life savings, or is he too busy burning up the world? Maybe cold cash can show them how to store the money. They can't get Ken Lay to sleep with Hellary anymore, he died. Hey, so did her other lover, the one on the park bench with the gunshot wound and no blood around. She's one deadly bi**h. Old Osama Hussein Obama better watch his back.
21. Posted by Scrapiron | January 3, 2007 12:56 AM |
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22. Posted by ke_future | January 3, 2007 1:14 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
for all those idiots who claim that the republicans started all of this, take a look at what the democratic party controlled house was like for the 40 years before '94. partisan politics started the moment parties organized.
what i think kim is 'complaining' about is that the democrats campaigned specifically on changing the tome of congress and not doing to the republicans what were done to them. and yet they break that central campaign promise before they are even sworn in and take control.
hypocrits, thy name is politician
22. Posted by ke_future | January 3, 2007 1:14 AM |
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23. Posted by ordi | January 3, 2007 1:55 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Sam
Your correct when you said: Elections have consequences.
However, you forgot a promise is a promise. San Fran Nan Pelosi made the promise and is now breaking said promise.
23. Posted by ordi | January 3, 2007 1:55 AM |
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24. Posted by Darby | January 3, 2007 2:41 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
This is a Neener neener neeeeener moment for the democrats that are now in power. Let them do their thing. '08 is just around the corner.
24. Posted by Darby | January 3, 2007 2:41 AM |
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25. Posted by sam | January 3, 2007 7:43 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Ordi:
So what? Let the voters decide to punish Pelosi if they want. Dems won the elections, they will do what they want to do.
If the Reps wnat to have a say in legislation, let them win elections.
25. Posted by sam | January 3, 2007 7:43 AM |
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26. Posted by A | January 3, 2007 8:14 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Back when the Reps were in control all we heard was the whining and gnashing of teeth of the liberals. Now that the Dems are in control, the libs here are crowing with glee- loving how their party has already broken their word on working WITH their Rep. counterparts. Just goes to show it's really NOT about what's best for this country. What a shame. I must have been insane to actually think Pelosi and the Dems would keep their word and actually try working together with people. Now I see my feeling of dread and despair I felt after the elections was right on.
26. Posted by A | January 3, 2007 8:14 AM |
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27. Posted by Oyster | January 3, 2007 8:52 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
WHAT!? Broken campaign promises? Say it ain't so!
What kills me is their plan to cut interest rates on student loans. Hmmm. Would this be the same Republican plan to do so in '01 that the Dems blocked? That the Republicans tried to bring back in '02 and the Dems just let it sit and rot on the house floor? Friggin' hypocrites.
Tightening ethics rules for lawmakers? Ha! And "allowing more research on stem cells"? Ha, again. Wording is everything I guess.
Welcome the same old democrats back. Be prepared for more of the same. These people are dangerous to our economic freedoms. Start dealing in as much cash as possible. Because if you don't, they're gonna get their grubby little hands all over it.
27. Posted by Oyster | January 3, 2007 8:52 AM |
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28. Posted by cmd | January 3, 2007 9:06 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Kim, Dick Armey said it best - bipartisanship is date rape.
I'm embarrassed by the GOPs whining. When you're in charge, you should destroy the opposition. I expect the Democrats to play hardball now, and, were I in charge of the GOP side, would be sharpening my knives to jam into the treasonous bastards' backs at every opportunity.
On this note, I have to say that one of the things I learned about President Ford over the past weekend was that, when he was told Nixon was resigning, he made two calls: the first to Betty, and the second to. . .Tip O'Neill!
That disgusted me, especially as O'Neill was described as being Ford's friend. Friend? That filthy, fat slob? That tax-raising, corrupt moral sewer? The man who called President Reagan "the evil in the White House" ? That O'Neill? Ford considered that jackhole a friend? As far as I'm concerned, no Republican should ever talk to a Democrat in Washington except to Cheney them. Any Republican who believes they have a Democrat friend is either a liar, a gullible moron or a collaborator. In any case, they should be thrown out of the party. First rule of war: don't cooperate with the enemy!
28. Posted by cmd | January 3, 2007 9:06 AM |
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29. Posted by Lee | January 3, 2007 10:20 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Oyster laid a pearl: "Would this be the same Republican plan to do so in '01 that the Dems blocked? That the Republicans tried to bring back in '02 and the Dems just let it sit and rot on the house floor? Friggin' hypocrites."
I don't know the specifics of the efforts you describe, but if the Democrats opposed a Republican effort to pass a reduction in the student loan interest rate it was probably because the corrupt Republicans had some pork barrel waste or tax cut for the ubber-rich tied to it. We've seen that crap from the Republicans for many years now.
It allows people like Oyster to feign outrage over a lie. The Republicans have honed lying and deceit to a fine art over the last 14 years, and listen to them whine because its ending.
Silly piggies, haven't you had enough?
"First rule of war: don't cooperate with the enemy!"
Thanks, Oyster, I'll take that advice, and advise other Democrats to do the same.
29. Posted by Lee | January 3, 2007 10:20 AM |
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30. Posted by USMC Pilot | January 3, 2007 11:06 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
"I don't know the specifics of the efforts you describe, but if the Democrats opposed a Republican effort to pass a reduction in the student loan interest rate it was probably because the corrupt Republicans had some pork barrel waste or tax cut for the ubber-rich tied to it."
That's your problem, Lee, your frequently commenting about things you know nothing about.
30. Posted by USMC Pilot | January 3, 2007 11:06 AM |
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31. Posted by Oyster | January 3, 2007 11:17 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Actually, Lee, it was because the Democrats wanted vote on some other bill at the same time that was totally unrelated so they pulled their support. So if you want to continue to rant about "corrupt Republicans", then by all means have at it, but don't forget, they have ample company on the other side of the aisle.
I'm so tired of hearing about corrupt Republicans from the left and so little of the same disparagement of corrupt Democrats. Can't we agree that the problem crosses party lines quite well?
31. Posted by Oyster | January 3, 2007 11:17 AM |
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32. Posted by Oyster | January 3, 2007 11:19 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Furthermore, Lee, I didn't say "First rule of war: don't cooperate with the enemy!"
Silly piggie indeed. Cut the ad hominems and maybe someone will take you more seriously.
32. Posted by Oyster | January 3, 2007 11:19 AM |
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33. Posted by Lee | January 3, 2007 12:13 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
"Can't we agree that the problem crosses party lines quite well?"
Nope, I never cooperate with the enemy, Oyster. I learned that from a very wise mollusk.
Suck it up, you whining wimps. Dems are in control of Congress and marching on the White House. You have at least six years, and probably a lot more, of sucking it up and having your *sses kicked by us progressive, latte-sipping liberals.
33. Posted by Lee | January 3, 2007 12:13 PM |
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34. Posted by P. Bunyan | January 3, 2007 12:46 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Lee: "You have at least six years, and probably a lot more, of sucking it up and having your *sses kicked by us [regressive], latte-sipping [socialists]"
It's not the "sucking it up" that worries me, it's the oppressive tax increases on the poor and middleclass, massive increases in the number of welfare recipients, lawyers continuing to make fortunes off everyone else's backs, acceleration of the decline of the public school system, destruction of the medical system, the idle rich getting richer, productivity being punished and unproductively being rewarded and encouraged.
Yes all those things of which the Democrats[sic] have a well established history, that's what worries me.
34. Posted by P. Bunyan | January 3, 2007 12:46 PM |
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35. Posted by P. Bunyan | January 3, 2007 12:49 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Oh, and of course losing the war. Can't believe I fogot that one.
35. Posted by P. Bunyan | January 3, 2007 12:49 PM |
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36. Posted by jpe | January 3, 2007 1:18 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Well, that'd certainly be a change of pace for the GOP.
*rolls eyes*
re: the instant issue: the Republicans have already had a chance to debate all of the bills slated to pass in the first 100 hours. When new business comes up, the GOP will be allowed to participate.
36. Posted by jpe | January 3, 2007 1:18 PM |
