Cant help but think cameron is just a repeat of the geraldo-capone vault concoction.

I wonder what this wackos got planned anyway no big time hollywood director shows off anything without promoting some movie

At least Da Vinci Code was sold as fiction from Day One.

This fella is just thirsting for more hype after the glowing limelight of the Titanic has faded.

You gotta love the picture of him. All black, collarless, twirling the chablis. Typical Hollywood.

It's pure sensationalism--Cameron is trying to revive his career, and what better way than do attack the West via Christianity?

In the end, the DNA stuff is just too much--how will you exactly prove it's Jesus' DNA? Will they go to James' bone box and swab the dust inside?

Cameron, stick to Terminator films.

Maybe when he's through slamming Christianity, he can do just as good a job on Mohammed.

Great point, Hermie, but don't hold your breath. Cameron has no interest in having a fatwa on his head.

Gianni, along with you I thought of the Capone vault thing immediately. The most I think this does is confirm the bias someone might already have against Christianity. I certainly can't see many leaving the faith as a result of this. If anyone buys this, I would doubt they had faith to begin with. Was Cameron's career really that much in the tank? I hope he can make enough from Terminator royalties to feed his family.

However flawed the evidence is, at least it represents a desire to actually learn the truth, rather than inventions of the Catholic church written years after Jesus' death. Odd that the scrutiny brought to bear on these claims is never brought to bear on the claim of resurrection itself. After all, it is far more reasonable to believe that Jesus' body was hauled into the sky on on fiery chariot than to believe he rotted like everyone else. LOL.

at least it represents a desire to actually learn the truth,

You're kidding, right?

We get a mouthswab from God everytime it rains: He is spitting on all of us :)

A desire to learn the truth??

Since when was this EVER important to anyone on the left???

Tuco, you're going to Hell. You won't know it until it's too late, and then you'll remember that very comment above and think to yourself, "how stupid am I."

Heh...well, I'm not particularly religious and I don't think anyone is going to hell, but I scoff at how brave the Hollyweirdos consider themselves. Very brave of Mr. Cameron to take on a group that will do him no harm, regardless of how callously he insults them. Very brave of Mr. Gore to accept his award among his acolytes. Perhaps in time Hollywood will genuflect at the feet of Mr. Cameron the way they have Mr. Gore and offer him the validation he craves. These are all such brave people.

Be sure to check out the official website for the
Jesus Family Tomb at http://www.jesusfamilytomb.com/

This is like digging up a pair of old eyeglasses in a Philadelphia park and concluding that they must be Benjamin Franklin's. Actually, it's more like digging them up in New York and concluding they're Franklin's.

At least Da Vinci Code was sold as fiction from Day One.

Wrong. The only things that were sold as fiction were the main character and his uncovering of so-called facts. The book begins with this:

FACT:

The Priory of Sion - a European secret society founded in 1099--is a real organization.

In 1975 Paris's Bibliothèque Nationale Discovered parchments known as Les Dossiers Secrets, identifying numerous Members of the Priory of Sion, including Sir Isaac Newton, Boticelli, Victor Hugo, And Leonardo da Vinci

The Vatican prelature known as Opus Dei is a deeply devout Catholic sect that has been the topic of recent controversy due to reports of brainwashing, coercian, and a dangerous practice known as "corporal mortification." Opus Dei has just completed construction of a $47 million National Headquarters at 243 Lexington Avenue in New York City.

All descriptions of artwork, architecture, documents, and secret rituals in this novel are accurate.

Opus Dei is real but his other claims of "fact" are largely bullshit (yes, he may have described some art and architecture accurately). Plus in an interview on The Today Show on 6/9/03, Brown was asked:

"How much of this book is this based on reality in terms of things that actually occurred?"

Dan Brown answered, "Absolutely all of it. Obviously, Robert Langdon is fictional, but all of the art, architecture, secret rituals, secret societies--all of this is fact."

Except for, you know, the central claims.

"However flawed the evidence is, at least it represents a desire to actually learn the truth, rather than inventions of the Catholic church written years after Jesus' death."

Posted by: Tuco Ramirez

Contrary to your very limited historical perspective, Tuco, the Catholic church did not exist until hundreds of years after Jesus time here on Earth. There is plenty of evidence from archaelogists (Christian and non-Christian) that have dated most of the oldest New Testament texts we have in the first century, AD, or the second in some cases. There was plenty of time for the people who lived at the time to dispute the eyewitness accounts of the NT, yet modern day archaelogists keep finding things, even on peripheral issues (geography,politics) that support NT accounts. So drop the anti-Catholic BS. Frankly, if you cared about finding the truth, you would see that all the significant events and accounts of them pre-dated it. But I wouldn't be surprised in the least if that meant nothing to you.

Full disclosure: I left the Catholic church about 24 years ago over doctrinal issues, but ignorance spouted in the name of "finding the truth" always raises my hackles.

Laughable.

So, we are to believe the Romans and Pharisees who crucified Jesus had his bones right under their noses, yet ignored this and allowed a "Cult of Resurrection" to grow when merely bringing out the bones would have disproved it?

Right.

Oh, and mantis: What do you call fiction which is "based on fact" anyway? I call it "fiction." Somehow, though, it is fitting you should be out there defending the "Da Vinci Code" baloney.

Somehow, though, it is fitting you should be out there defending the "Da Vinci Code" baloney.

You completely misread my comment. I am not defending it, I'm pointing out that Dan Brown promoted his bullshit book as based on facts, which it certainly was not. If he had not made those claims to factuality about his work of fiction, I would have no problem. Except for his atrocious prose.

After re-reading my earlier comment, Jim, I have no idea how you could have come to the conclusion that I was 'defending the "Da Vinci Code" baloney.' Except, I guess, your preconceived, and wholly off-base, assumptions about me prevented you from reading what I actually wrote. Good work!

Jim Addison

You took the words out of my mouth. If the Romans could have put their hands on Jesus's body to disprove the reports of His resurrections (or even gotten away with a fake), they would have.

"how are we do determine that the bones in the tomb were actually the bones of the Biblical Jesus of Nazareth? Compare his DNA to God's? How does one get a mouth swab from God?"

Someone has trouble reading and understanding.

The DNA evidence is used to compare the people of the tombs together and determine if they are truly related. It is also used to determine age. The chances of a man named Jesus being buried in a tomb with a Joseph and Mary and another Mary and a Judah and a Matthew are extemely low and nearly impossible for two seperate families.

But then again, I'm sure Kim and many of her readers would be more likely to believe in burning bushes, seas parting and a zombie savior than "DNA" "evidence" even if it came from the mouth of "god."

Jp1, why don't you show some balls and insult islam? Is it because you are a low life fucking coward? I hear you started life as feces and were converted to the form you now take by evil democrats. There is no DNA proof of that because no one wants to swab that thing you call a mouth with anything but hydrocloric acid. I pity you.

"I hear you started life as feces..."

I think that's Buddhism. You, know the oneness of everything. (And I am certainly not going to denouce it, because you know, those monks are pretty badassed)

jp2,

Hmmm, if you upset them, they set themselves on fire versus upsetting muslims, who will cut your head off.

Which one takes more guts to insult?

Oh, btw, reincarnation is Hinduism, not Buddhism.

Though the bones had long since been reburied elsewhere, as was the custom, tiny traces of DNA left in the caskets were tested.

I understand that DNA can survive a long time inside bones and even longer inside teeth. And while hair can survive a long time hair alone doesn't contain testable DNA, only the hair root does and it doesn't survive long. So what was the source of these "tiny traces of DNA left in the caskets"? Can you really recover the DNA from where someone spit 2000 years ago? How long does the DNA in a blood stain survive in such conditions? Given the degradation of 2000 year old samples I doubt there would be anything left that was testable. Even if so, it would require PCR based testing, during which contaminants may be amplified up to a billion times their original concentration.

It's more likely the DNA is contamination introduced by the people who were either involved in the original find in 1980 or more recently. The only DNA finding was that what was found in the casket attributed to Jesus showed no close relationship to the DNA found in the casket attributed to Mariamne. It doesn't mean the two were married, but that's the results one would expect if the DNA was actually recent contamination.

"Oh, btw, reincarnation is Hinduism, not Buddhism."

Sheik: You get an A for ignorance. Congrats, you know absolutely nothing about Buddhism. Maybe you can turn this into a learning experience.

http://webspace.ship.edu/cgboer/samsara.html

The conceptions of reincarnation in Hunduism and Buddhism differ, but not very much. Gautama was, after all, a Hindu.

mantis, point taken -- I guess what I really meant to say is that the book's place at the top of the Best Seller list was in the FICTION category, where it belongs.

And aside from what Dan Brown might have said, when a fiction book opens with the words "everything in this is true," I take that as part of the fiction -- I did when reading that book anyway. Sort of effective too.

From God's mouth to your swab.

Ohterwise known as Come Holy Spit.

I like jp2's conclusion that since it says "Jesus" on the tomb it must ne "Him". Time to go look for yer brain dummy! Either way, I know a guy named Larry Christ down the street from me...he must be related...take some DNA from him HA HA HA HA HA.

jp2,

You get an A for being an ignorant, arrogant asshole.

http://www.buddhanet.net/e-learning/reincarnation.htm

I could give you many more, but you can find them yourself.

Buddhism believes in rebirth. Hinduism believes in reincarnation. They are similar to the unstudied, but are quite a bit different if you actually do a bit of reading (and comprehending).

Perhaps when you are (eventually) reborn as a human with intelligence, you'll be able to tell the difference.

You people are unbelievable. I mean, funny but unbelievable all the same. I used to think that if someone actually produced the body of Jesus Christ then the fraudulency of the ressurection would finally put the nail in the coffin of Christianity. From the sound of it, some of you aren't going too far beyond the conservative comfort-zone of FOX news to get your arguments against the actual archialogical findings. Really, you should do a bit digging on your own instead of regurgitating talking points from unqualified talking heads. Or are you afraid of what you'll find? I can only imagine the horror of accepting these ideas, or at least the validity of the research, because they completely turn beliefs you've had before you were potty-trained upside down. I'm sorry but its just something you're gonna have to cope with. Its over.

I can only imagine the horror of accepting these ideas

I imagine it will pale in comparison to the horror you will feel when you realize "Holy crap! I was wrong!" as you are awaiting God's judgment after you die.

Also, none of the articles linked to for this post came from FOX. You might try reading them.

Wow! Well directed rebuttal, sir. You're pretty goddamn brilliant there. First, little-brain, the argument is not about the existence of god. Don't oversimplify the argument. That's stupid. The argument is about the fraudulency of the resurrection and ultimately of the Christian faith altogether. If you had half a brain you might be able to stand up to this discussion but... you should have a seat. I also was not referring to FOX-extracted links, but your attempt to redefine the discussion is duely noted, rather the talking points from their broadcasts where they leave inconvenient facts out of their morning one-sided debates with themselves. Basically they just stroke themselves all morning like you do while listening to Rush Limbaugh.

I am certainly not afraid of god because he/she/it's most likely not the god you think he/she/it is. Rather he/she/it is a god that would not throw one of his/her/its own out of heaven for simply being misinformed (which I certainly doubt is true in THIS case). The piece-of-shit-god is your god and you can keep him. You can also stop being so fucking arrogant as to think you could ever possibly know what does or does not please god. Pinhead.