Gov. Scott Walker (R): Wisconsin Won't be Bullied!

If the Governor’s proposed budget cuts are implemented, Wisconsin’s public employees will still have benefit plans more generous than most workers across the country, especially when compared to those middle class workers in the private sector – the ones paying the taxes which employ these protesting unionists!

Obviously, no one taught these spoiled children that there is no money tree.

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FOX News’ Greta Van Susteren interviewed the Governor last night.


“…the vast majority of state and local government employees — most of those employees, 300,000, showed up for work today, unlike those around the capital and unlike those 14 state senators, Democrats, who decided to hide out, apparently, down in Rockford, Illinois.

…They’re hiding out in hopes that somehow, that will test the resolve. If anything, I think it’s made the Republicans in the assembly and the senate stronger. They’re not going to be bullied. They’re not going to be intimidated.”
The real problem with the Progressive agenda is a fanatical embrace – and subsequent disregard of their own core philosophy: pure and unfettered democracy now. What the more sane among us consider ‘mob rule.’

But the Progressive don’t really want ‘democracy now.’ If they did, they would respect the will of Wisconsin’s voters who voted in the current crop of fiscally responsible adults to clean up the mess left by the previous profligate progressives.

What the protesting progressives in Wisconsin’s capital really want is a totalitarian implementation of their socialist agenda for wealth redistribution, regardless of cost. In short, gimme mine as long as some else is burdened with the obligation.

The blithering hypocrisy of these progressives is nauseating.

Update: Related: more Wisconsin districts shut down as teachers prove they care more about money than educating children.

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  • hcddbz

    gnossoss papadopoulis

    The argument that liberals made at the time was that contracts should be vacated because part of the money that went to their salaries came from Tax payer money. It strange that we can not look at FUTURE contract negations for people who receive 100% of their money from TAX PAYERS!

    1. The bill ask the Teachers to contribute more money to their benefits but that would put them at 50% below the average private worker who is paying their salaries.
    2. It removes collective bargaining everyone except Police, Fire and Corrections for FUTURE contracts.
    3. Unlike Obma Care this is being done in full view and Democrats know their position is so week they will not even come to the floor to debate.
    4. Now the Teachers are demanding that Taxes be raised on private sector so they can keep thier beniefts.
    That is just plain stupid because Business is already leaving the state.
    Higher taxes will help to push Business and people which will reduce revenue.
    This of course is part 1, Once Unions are removed then you can start to eliminate dead wood and demand greater efficiency.

    So I would be careful if I was a Public sector worker because over next 5 years you might be on the other side.

    BTW very few people here side with the Government Bailout of the Banks, or Auto.
    it time for return to common sense we need a paradigm shift. Big Government does not work, look at Greece, Greenland , UK.

  • Howie

    For all you a “contract is a contract” people, isn’t going to work PART OF THAT CONTRACT?

  • Bruce Henry

    Know what, Jim? I don’t have to agree with everything FDR ever did to be Democrat. Just as you don’t have to agree with everything Herbert Hoover, or either Bush, or Teddy Roosevelt ever did to be a Republican. Stupid.

  • Bruce Henry

    Why are police, fire, and corrections unions exempt from this proposed collective bargaining ban? Because they support Republicans in Wisconsin?

    Is it a bad thing, or isn’t it, that public sector workers can collectively bargain? Why is it bad for teachers but alright for cops?

  • groucho

    I’m sure that what most here don’t know, are unwilling to acknowledge if they do know, or are ignoring, is that Walker gave away over 100 million dollars worth of budget surplus right after taking office to provoke this “crisis”. This has nothing to do with money. The unions are willing to negotiate. This is the opening salvo of a nationwide campaign to break unions, specifically in the public sector.

    Citizens united SC decision leads to overwhelming predominance of right wing/conservative campaign money influx into the political process. This is the start of the onslaught of the plutocrats to solidify their hold on your, mine, and our government. The enemy is not the union, it is the increasingly transparent corporate takeover of US.

  • jim m

    Bruce,

    The teachers in Milwaukee get 56k in salary and something like 45k in benefits. So the term for the average teacher paycheck would be inaccurate. The distict administrators all get 100k+ salaries which are probably far more than their responsibilities demand.

    Still most private sector employee benefits run to about 30% of their salary not nearly 100%. The benefits paid to teachers is way out of line and even more so when one considers that they pay only a tiny fraction compared to what everyone else has to pay for their healthcare and their retirement. Add to that the fact that teachers are paid for 9 months work, get far more holidays, and that TIAA-CREF offers a plan where teachers do not have to pay into social security and these people are making out like bandits. Trying to hold the state hostage to their unrealistic demands for higher than average pay raises unlimited job security and nearly free benefits is a form of banditry that should land them in jail if there were any justice.

  • jim m

    Groucho,

    Thanks for the black helicopter post of the night. This has nothing to do with citizens united. That case was about the government and incumbant politicians specifically trying to muzzle opposition and to prevent anyone from speaking uot against them.

    I would note that the law Citizens United over ruled specifically exempted unions so the dems big donors would not have been restricted from saying anything they wanted politically but anyone who might have been against them would have been fined or thrown in jail for speaking their mind. The left is outrageously hypocritical when it comes to freedom of speach and Citizens Unitied is a prime examplpe of how they want freedom for themselves and a prison cell for everyone else.

    As for wisconsin I would love to hear how a $100 million in any way precipitates a $3 Billion plus shortfall in the state budget over the next two years. You guys must really be morons to fall for that line.

  • Bruce Henry

    So you can’t provide a cite, Jim?

    Your favorite paper, the Washington Times, says total compensation is, on average, $77K for Wisconsin teachers. Including all fringe benefits.

  • groucho

    Sounds like Wisconsin teachers have a deal kind of similar to what congress gets. Maybe we should look into that too.

  • 914

    Whine, whine, whine. Thats all liberals do.

  • iwogisdead

    Bruce Henry wrote:

    So, if the teachers take-home pay will result in a cut of 8% as opposed to what they bargained for, that’s not giving up benefits they bargained for in good faith?

    If their next contract is for a lower salary, it is not “what they bargained for.”

    Sorry, I don’t have time for remedial civics, but you’re the one who wanted to bring up contracts law. No one has given up what they have bargained for. No contracts will be breached. We’re talking about future contracts.

    The State employees may get paid less than what they want in the future, but *guess what* I’m paid less than what I want too.

  • groucho

    Sorry you can’t see the bigger picture Jim. Why did the governor spend the surplus so quickly instead of using it towards the billion dollar shortfall?

    Can you cite an instance of anyone opposing “big dem donors” being thrown in jail? There is no freedom of speech issue here, try not to fall back on that dead warhorse.

    This is an attempt to bust unions, not only in Wisconsin, but everywhere, to weaken the Democratic party. I think (and hope) that it will blow up in the face of the perpretators

  • davidt

    Efforts to recall Wisconsin State Senator Robert Wirch(D, on the lam) have been begun…

    “Kenosha, WI — Senator Robert Wirch is hiding out of state to avoid a vote on Governor Scott Walker’s budget repair bill. Kenosha area citizens have completed the necessary papers and will file on Monday to form an exploratory committee to recall Senator Robert Wirch. “The exploratory committee will be formed as a direct result of Senator Wirch’s failure to carry out his official duties in the State Senate,” said Daniel Hunt, leader of the recall exploratory committee “We need to inform Robert Wirch that his hiding in Illinois is unacceptable to the voters in his district, and that we are taking the first steps to remove him from office.”

    Over the weekend the committee will evaluate the resources, time, and manpower required to successfully recall the senator. “Over the last year, Kenosha and Racine area Tea Party groups have proven their ability to mobilize thousands of people quickly and effectively,” said Hunt. To recall Senator Robert Wirch, the committee anticipates needing to collect over 15,000 signatures.

    The committee is expected to file the paperwork with the Government Accountability Board on Monday, February 21st.”

    http://wispolitics.com/index.iml?Article=227432

  • groucho

    Citizens united was nothing more than a conservative supreme court legislating from the bench and delivering the goods for the corporate elite.

  • davidt

    Efforts to recall Wisconsin State Senator Jim Holperin(D, on the lam) have been begun…

    “EAGLE RIVER, WI — Senator Jim Holperin is hiding out of state to avoid a vote on Governor Scott Walker’s budget repair bill. Northwood citizens will today complete and file paperwork for an exploratory committee to recall Senator Jim Holperin. “The exploratory committee is taking this action as Senator Holperin has failed to carry out his official duties in the State Senate,” said Kim Simac, leader of the recall exploratory committee “Jim Holperin needs to know that while he is hiding out in Illinois, voters in his district are taking the first steps to remove him from office.”

    Over the weekend the committee will evaluate the resources, time, and manpower required to successfully recall the senator. “Northwoods Patriot groups and other organizations of tea party leaders have proven their ability to mobilize thousands of people quickly and effectively,” said Simac. To recall Senator Jim Holperin, the committee anticipates needing to collect over 15,000 signatures.

    The committee is expected to file the paperwork with the Government Accountability Board by close of business Friday.”

    http://wispolitics.com/index.iml?Article=227422

  • jim m

    This is not about union busting. This isn’t looking to bust even all public unions nor is it trying to bust private sector unions.

    This is about government employees and bloated payrolls and benefits. this is about government employees who earn more that their private sector counterparts, rarely face the risk of layoff or dismissal, and get benefits that far exceed the private sector at a fraction of the cost to them.

    The big picture is that the states need to face the fact that their benefits and pensions are underfunded and that they cannot continue to pay people more than they are worth and give benefits that are so extravagant. Illinois is in crisis and they are ignoring the fact that their pension liability is going to crush the state’s finances. The same goes for California and many other states.

    Wisconsin is doing the right thing to confront their payroll and benefit problems now. The problem with the state employee unions is that they really do hold a monopoly. The state is a single source for a lot of services and these unions hold the taxpayer hostage.

    Government employee unions were illegal until Kennedy IIRC. The left’s cry of “this is destroying the tradition of unionism in America!” is a bunch of crap. Government employee unions were illegal for a raeson and we are seeing why now.

  • hcddbz

    Why are police, fire, and corrections unions exempt from this proposed collective bargaining ban? Because they support Republicans in Wisconsin?

    The collective bargaining is for everything except salary. Specifically it is about work conditions.
    A teacher is in class room. (yes some classrooms are dangerous but then who do they bring into those schools police officers) What does she need to bargain about work conditions is it teacher to student ratio?

    A police or Firefighter may need to get new equipment to handle there jobs which is saving lives and protect private property. Union might want to negotiate about safety equipment, radios, hours. There might be new medical procedures for burns that they might need covered in their insurance. Then of course there are legal fees for when a Police officer discharges his weapon and the poltical winds might be influx.
    In short they need greater protections because their job demands it from both, legal, physical and risk point of view.

    Cops, Teachers and Firefighters all have job to do. Two of them need to put themselves in harms way as part of the job to do it. Those two need more say.

  • 914

    “EAGLE RIVER, WI — Senator Jim Holperin is hiding out of state to avoid a vote on Governor Scott Walker’s budget repair bill”

    Well, it’s kind of poetic really. The dems are fugitives from the American Dream. If they cannot take, take , take from the taxpayer they run away like spoiled little children screaming “Mommy! They wont let Me win!”

    Pathetic.

  • sam

    I am all for union busting.

    If 88% of the US workforce can work without unions, so can the remaining 12%.

    Fire each of them, there are enough unemployed to fill their positions.

  • 914

    #69

    “Fire each of them, there are enough unemployed to fill their positions.”

    Yes. Barry has made sure of that..

  • jim m

    With 69% of Americans waying that government employees should not have unions and 49% of democrats I think that the governor’s position is pretty solid here. It is the dem politicians and the unions who are out of step with the country.

  • hcddbz

    A project surplus of 1 billion dollars goes away because of tax break of 1 Million dollars if a Company relocates to Wisconsin and hires and pays 51% of employees in Wisconsin and remains there for 2 years. (allocation for the tax break is 100 million )

    So in state with 7% unemployment getting a companies to hire people which would raise receipts by more people being employed will erase a 1 billion dollars surplus.

    However we know that Business have been moving out of the state did the committee take that into account or did they just assume static numbers as more people are unemployed?

    Even then if you have 1 B – 100M would you not have 900 M?
    If that were false why did the dem run away instead of debating the issue?

    I have doubts on the validity of the argument.
    Wait could it be the same type of folk who told use Obama Care was budget neutral and then said Oh shite it will cost trillions.

  • jim m

    At over $50k per year salary (and yes $100k total compensation with benefits) the average Wisconsin teacher makes more than double the average Wisconsin citizen.

    So much for he unions protecting the little guy. The unions today protect the moneyed interests.

    On top of that their pay went up 4.7% last year and 21% over the last 10 years. Sounds like the people need protection from the unions.

  • 914

    I wonder if the cowardly clowns hiding out of State are doing so at Wisconsin taxpayer expense? Can add misappropriation of public funds to their long list of abuses.

  • hcddbz
  • Jim Addison

    Walker’s tax incentives have NOTHING AT ALL to do with the current year deficit. The projections the leftists are citing are for three years hence. The state is short THIS fiscal year, and next, before even any “static analysis” on the cuts figure into projections.

    As usual, the left attempts to divert attention from the issue at hand. Do not be distracted by the straw men they set up.

    The amounts of contribution the union employees would have to make to their retirement and health benefits would still leave them paying a smaller share than the private employees in the state pay for theirs – with lower pay and less job security. The unions are willing to “negotiate” this now, for the first time.

    The unions’ concern is the regular elections and the end to payroll deduction of dues. They know that once workers realize how much they pay the unions, they will lose their loyalty quickly.

  • iwogisdead

    The 100k compensation package refers to Milwaukee teachers. It’s possible the average pay for the whole state is lower.

    http://maciverinstitute.com/2010/03/average-mps-teacher-compensation-tops-100kyear/

  • RYan

    As soon as a democrat uses the words ‘Corporate elite’ you nwo they have switched off their brain. And that they should really look up the contributions and see who the ‘corporate elite’ really donated to.

  • iwogisdead

    Citizens united was nothing more than a conservative supreme court legislating from the bench and delivering the goods for the corporate elite.

    Another liberal lie. Citizens United said that corporations’ free speech was protected by the First Amendment. This has been the law for over 50 years. This is not “legislating.” It is upholding the Constitution, which is what courts are supposed to do.

    After the liberals research the concept of “collective bargaining,” they might want to research the concept of the supremacy of the Constitution.

  • iwogisdead

    Wisconsin is broke. Walker wants to control spending. To do this, he wants to end collective bargaining for nearly all public employees (not just teachers) for everything except salary. IOW, primarily for benefits.

    Walker wants to limit the increase in public employees’ salaries in an effort to keep the state afloat financially. He wants public employees to contribute a small portion of their salaries toward their own pensions. These are hardly radical concepts, especially since the state is heading toward insolvency. For this, the teachers have breached their contract by not teaching and are occupying the capitol. Democrats ran away. They are acting like idiots.

    Ending collective bargaining is hardly a radical concept either. Mitch Daniels de-certified all public employee unions in Indiana. Indiana is one of the few states that is financially stable.

    The liberals should grow up and take their hysteria somewhere else.

  • hcddbz

    Look Public Sector works as President Obama has said.

    I do think at certain point you have made enough Money

    Since they will be able to bargain for more pay I really do not see how this hurts them. http://etf.wi.gov/publications/et8901.pdf

    They also have all the benefits of Labor Laws and extra protections as state workers. So it time for them to stop killing the goose aka Tax payer.

    Tax Payers are loosing their jobs taking pay cuts facing insurance premiums that have gone up 30% .

  • sam

    Workers should save their union dues to pay for their own medical premiums and retirement.

  • http://www.freerepublic.us Brian Richard Allen

    Wisconsin’s school teachers are America’s Greeks!

    And are revolting, too.

  • Jim m

    They are in the capital chanting”tax the rich!” Since they earn two times the average income in wisconsin are they that unaware that they are the rich?

  • hcddbz

    Tax the rich.

    See that is the problem with Liberals they really believe that people will sit and take. Governor Corzine in NJ lured a number of Wall Street firms technical operations to NJ with tax breaks then decided to raise taxes.
    He said where would they go? Well they went to Texas and Carolinas.
    Companies and Wealthy people can take part of Federalism and move to lower Taxed states. They are not not beholden to stay and take it.

    I say fire the teachers in Milwaukee 46% is the graduation for Public schools. I say teachers only get % of base pay that matches the graduation rate. That will save the state money. Hell the highest pension teachers get should be the graduation rate for their school districts.

  • Brucepall

    Anyone willing to bet me that the new Republican Governor is not from the upcoming Realist Generation and the Democratic State Senator Holperin is not from the Establishment Boomer generation? Duh…

    What I see as really going on in Wisconsin… is the status quo is under pressure to change, and the entrenched powers that benefit the most from the established bureaucracy are resisting said change.

    The fact that Wisconsin is on the cutting edge of the future, while California is not… also fits. I can already tell that the Democratic Governor of Cali is a Boomer…just look at his MO (it’d be redundant to look his party affiliation and age up on the web).

    Any doubt about where this will end? And who will ultimately prevail?… even old school Cali will eventually acknowledge the need for change and come around. Yes, my friends, we live in interesting and exciting times.

    Semper Fidelis-

  • Brucepall

    FWIW, without even looking it up… I’d also bet Democratic State Senator Robert Wirch (from the thread above)… is also from the Boomer Generation – 1943 to 1961. Ditto for our current Democratic US President and the US Senate Majority Leader.

    Yes, times will be a changing. From the other Bruce.

    Semper Fidelis-

  • howcome

    The trolls here think the Gov. should have used the $100 million to prop up the failing union contracts instead of trying to fix the underlying problem. How is that fixing the problem?

  • Ryan M.

    For those trying to say “But they should honor their commitments and not break their contract!!!”:

    Since the bill wouldn’t effect contracts until after the current one expires, you are completely full of it. Are you saying the Governor is obligated to honor the contract after it expires and must renew it exactly the same as it is now?

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-02-18/wisconsin-ohio-target-government-union-contracts-correct-.html

    The relevant bit:

    “The bill wouldn’t affect employees until their contracts expire, said Peter G. Davis, general counsel of the Wisconsin Employment Relations Commission.”

    So please, find a new talking point. . .

  • jim m

    union leaders are now offering concessions. Doesn’t sound like the action of someone who is winning the argument. Sounds like they know they have screwed up. Sounds like the voters of Wisconsin can recognize when the unionized fat cats who earn double the average wage are needing to be cut off and those fat cats are now trying to find a way out of their predicament.

  • Joseph Nemeth

    The WEAC has had too much power for too long. Go Scott Walker

  • gene willis

    lets say walker gives in and agrees to the two years for the state employees to pay into there health care and there retirement fund.the unions will then make sure that evryone of the state employees who payed into this will be given a 12 to 13% raise curtisy of the lowly tax payers.in othere words,the union thugs will take every last tax payer to task.that will be there collective bargganing.gov.walker,stand strong.we need a leader not a frightened democrat!

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