“Sexual abuse of students in schools is likely more than 100 times the abuse by priests”

That conclusion drawn from a study commissioned by the U.S. Department of Education:

Titled, “Educator Sexual Misconduct: A Synthesis of Existing Literature,” the report says the mistreatment of students ranges from sexual comments to rape.

In fact, says the studies author, Carol Shakeshaft, professor of educational administration at Hofstra University, in Hempstead, New York, the scope of the school sex problem appears to far exceed the clergy abuse scandal that has rocked the Roman Catholic Church.

Comparing the incidence of sexual misconduct in schools with the Catholic Church scandal, Shakeshift notes that a study by the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops concluded that 10,667 young people were sexually mistreated by priests between 1950 and 2002.

In contrast, the extrapolates from a national survey conducted for the American Association of University Women Educational Foundation in 2000 that roughly 290,000 students experienced some sort of physical sexual abuse by a public school employee between 1991 and 2000.

The figures suggest “the physical sexual abuse of students in schools is likely more than 100 times the abuse by priests,” said Shakshaft, according to Education Week.

Indeed, more than 4.5 million students are subject to sexual misconduct by an employee of a school sometime between kindergarden and 12th grade, says the report.

Coming our way via Mark Shea who snarks:

If only educators could marry! If only women could be teachers!

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  • Anonymous

    Yeah, that’s why we’ve seen so many prosecutions of public school teachers for anally raping 13 year old boys.  “100 times” is a meaningless number, unless you include the rate of sexual abuse per number of students and control for the definition of “sexual abuse,” and aren’t there more than 100 times the number of students in public schools nationwide than in Catholic schools?

    For what it’s worth, I don’t consider a hot female teacher (like some in the picture) seducing a 16 year old boy as “sexual abuse,” I consider it “wet dream come true.” 

    Anyways, it’s not just the crimes – it’s the coverups, the way the Catholic hierarchy transferred and stonewalled for these pederast priests.  It was a scandal in New Mexico, California, Massachusetts, New York, New Hampshire, and Ireland. The hypocrisy and moral contrast between the sanctimonious preaching and the reality could not be greater. There were archdioceses, cardinals and bishops that should have been prosecuted under RICO and other laws.

    • Anonymous

      For what it’s worth, I don’t consider a hot female teacher (like some in the picture) seducing a 16 year old boy as “sexual abuse,” I consider it “wet dream come true.”  You’re an idiot then.

      I didn’t send my boys to public school to be seduced by anyone.
      Male or female, there have to be consistent standards and behavior.

      Your sexual fantasies have no place in the public school system or anywhere children are involved.

      • Anonymous

        Come on, if you think one of those (mostly good looking) teachers in the picture seducing a 16 year old boy is the same as Father Paul Shanley anally raping a boy, you either (1) aren’t heterosexual; (2) don’t remember what it was like to be 16 years old; (3) have been so distorted by sanctimony you aren’t in touch with yourself; or (4) are a priest yourself. 

        • Anonymous

          I was right, you are an idiot.

          I never ever stated that I “think one of those (mostly good looking) teachers in the picture seducing a 16 year old boy is the same as Father Paul Shanley anally raping a boy.”

          Again, I didn’t send my boys to public school to be seduced by anyone.
          The teachers are there to teach and lead, period.
          And if there is indeed an under reported scandal with respect to sexual misconduct, as the report summarizes, then this needs to be addressed and quickly. This deserves as much media coverage a the Church scandal.

          Why do you disagree with that?

          • Anonymous

            This study is from 2004, first of all.  Old news.  The Catholic fanatics keep dredging it up as a thread to minimize the Church’s crimes.

            The report does not allege any systematic cover-up for sexual abuse in the public schools, the way the Catholic hierarchy covered up for the priests.

            As far as media coverage goes, it seems like the public school scandals were given lots of coverage- we all saw the mugshots in the pictures along with this story.  There’s no cover-up conspiracy as there was with the Catholic church.  Find me one case of a public school teacher who anally raped a 13 year old boy and was then transferred to a new job despite his supervisors’ knowledge of his crimes.

            Who’s the idiot?

          • Anonymous

            CC, you say that “The report does not allege any systematic cover-up for sexual abuse in the public schools, the way the Catholic hierarchy covered up for the priests.”

            From the report:

            10.1 Consequences for abusers. In an early study of 225 cases of educatorsexual abuse in New York, all of the accused had admitted to sexual abuse of a studentbut none of the abusers was reported to authorities and only 1 percent lost their licenseto teach (Shakeshaft and Cohan, 1994). All of the accused had admitted to physicalsexual abuse of a student but only 35 percent received a negative consequence for theiractions: 15 percent were terminated or, if not tenured, they were not rehired; and 20percent received a formal reprimand or suspension. Another 25 percent received noconsequence or were reprimanded informally and off-the-record. Nearly 39 percentchose to leave the district, most with positive recommendations or even retirementpackages intact.A recent reporton sexual abuse in New York City indicates that 60 percent of employees who wereaccused of sexual abuse were transferred to desk jobs at offices inside schools and 40percent of these teachers were repeat offenders (Campanile and Montero, 2001). Inmany instances, agreements are made to avoid legal battles with the alleged abuser”I dunno, seems similar to the Church cover up to me.In an early study of 225 cases of educatorsexual abuse in New York, all of the accused had admitted to sexual abuse of a studentbut none of the abusers was reported to authorities and only 1 percent lost their licenseto teach (Shakeshaft and Cohan, 1994). All of the accused had admitted to physicalsexual abuse of a student but only 35 percent received a negative consequence for theiractions: 15 percent were terminated or, if not tenured, they were not rehired; and 20percent received a formal reprimand or suspension. Another 25 percent received noconsequence or were reprimanded informally and off-the-record. Nearly 39 percentchose to leave the district, most with positive recommendations or even retirementpackages intact.A recent reporton sexual abuse in New York City indicates that 60 percent of employees who wereaccused of sexual abuse were transferred to desk jobs at offices inside schools and 40percent of these teachers were repeat offenders (Campanile and Montero, 2001). Inmany instances, agreements are made to avoid legal battles with the alleged abuser”I dunno, seems similar to the Church cover up to me.

          • Anonymous

            Except that no facts of any of the cases of “abuse” are discussed.  For example, do we know the proportion of these cases in which the student was 17 or 18 years old?  And “abuse” includes “inappropriate jokes.” 

            On the other hand, we know that the Church covered up for Paul Shanley, Geoghan, Birmingham and others after multiple complaints of molesting young boys.

            One conservative scholar described Shakeshaft’s study like this, basically bullshit:

            http://www.independent.org/newsroom/article.asp?id=1331

            “A report claiming that close to 10 percent of children in public
            schools—more than 4.5 million—endure sexual abuse or misconduct by
            school employees has recently touched off a media-fueled panic.

            However, “Educator Sexual Misconduct,” by Carol Shakeshaft of Hofstra University, is seriously
            flawed, both in its methodology and in the way researchers defined sexual abuse
            and misconduct.

            Rather than critically evaluating the report, the media have instead been trumpeting
            its frightening figures of abuse. Parents deserve better; they deserve the
            facts.

            In the report, Shakeshaft defines “sexual abuse” in an extremely
            broad manner to include “physical, verbal, or visual” behavior by an
            educator ranging from sexual intercourse to telling inappropriate jokes.
            One study cited in the report included sexual comments, gestures or
            looks in its definition of sexual abuse and asked students if other
            students had committed such acts toward themselves or each other.”

            . . . .
            To their credit, some voices in the media have noted the fact that
            the AAUW data is the sole source of Shakeshaft’s conclusions. But few
            questions have been asked about the validity of the data itself or the
            appropriateness of Shakeshaft’s use.

            The AAUW has been widely accused of using biased studies to further a
            gender feminist agenda. Controversy has specifically swirled around the
            AAUW’s 1992 study “How Schools Shortchange Girls,” which was pivotal in
            creating nationwide policies that give preference to girls in public
            school. This study was eviscerated by Christina Hoff Sommers’ 1992 book; academic articles such as Judith Kleinfeld’s
            “The Myth That Schools Shortchange Girls: Social Science in the Service
            of Deception” have brought the methodology, honesty and intent of that
            study into further question.

            At this point, studies from the AAUW merit critical scrutiny. Before
            participating in what might be politically motivated panic-mongering,
            the media should actually read the report. Strangely enough, this seems to be a
            rare practice.”

            So a study based on a radical feminist view of the world becomes the basis of a defense of molesting priests?  This is “conservative???”

          • Anonymous

            CC, You wrote: “So a study based on a radical feminist view of the world becomes the basis of a defense of molesting priests? ”

            Quick easy question, even for you.      Maybe.

            Who here is defending molesting priests?

          • Anonymous

            Hank, CC is nuts and immoral, totally inappropriate to equate the female predators to “wet dreams”, but I also agree the original post’s premise that the abuses are equivalent is comparing apples to oranges.  Both the public school and Catholic problems are about inappropriate use of adult power over children in a sexual manner (fruits) but that nature of the Pedophilia Problem in the Catholic Church is a different species of forced sex than the seduction of highly charged male adolescents by female versions of lotharios. 

            However I still stand behind CC 100%.  He better keep an eye on his six.

          • Anonymous

            DocEpador. Thanks for the reply.
            Thing is I’m not sure we’re comparing apples and oranges, so to speak.
            The following is from the report.

            Many school districts make confidential agreements with abusers, trading a positive recommendation for a resignation. O’Hagan (2004) details two examples of coaches in Washington that illustrate this practice.In 1995, a Sharples Alternative School student accused tutor SioneHefa of going to her home at 3 a.m. and forcing her to have sex withhim. “At one point, he held her neck with his arm so she couldn’t get up,”according to investigative notes. “She kept telling him she did not wantto have sex with him.”When the district investigated, Hefa refused to answer questions,citing his Fifth Amendment rights. His Seattle Education Associationrepresentative denied the accusations.The district’s human-resources director later told Hefa in a letter:“The District investigation revealed that you went to the home of one ofyour female students at 3:00 a.m. on Sunday, January 22, 1995, youwere let inside, and that you forced her to have sex with you.”Records indicate the district suspected that Hefa may havevictimized other girls. After negotiations, the district allowed Hefa toresign, promising in writing not to tell future employers about theallegations.In another example, O’Hagen (2004) reports that a Seattle educator, LukeMarkishtum, had two decades of complaints of sex with students and providing alcoholand marijuana to students prior to his arrest for smuggling six tons of marijuana into thestate. The district paid Markishtum the remainder of his salary that year, agreed to keepthe record secret, and gave him an additional $69,000.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jorge-C-Cruikshank/100001036063613 Jorge C Cruikshank

          well you seem to imply that a person’s looks changes the situation and that youre likely a homophobe. the justice system does not take into account the hypocrisy of assailants. that’s just righteous idignation on your part. also, the homosexual advances, the male teachers on females students are also a part of the quotient with teacher/student rapes.

    • http://www.facebook.com/rayosun Ray Dubuque

      As a one time college professor of logic, I commend Commander_Chico for his many excellent comments. 
      I know Mark Shea who provided this lame article to be a rabbid defender of Catholicism even when it is most indefensible.  To compare the numbers the way this article does is just plain SILLY. The only way you could logically compare the number of pedophile priests to the number of pedophile teachers would be to count the number of school teachers known to have REPEATED mollested MANY victims who were KNOWN by their superiors as molesters and ALLOWED to CONTINUE molesting more innocent victims.   
      The nearest thing to such a teacher was Mary Kay Latourneau who ended up marrying the young man she molested.  How many OTHER victims did the school authorities allow her to molest once she was discovered?   NONE. ZERO.  So how can you compare her and teachers like her to the pedophile PRIESTS.  You can’t!  Except for one thing. She too was a ROMAN CATHOLIC, brought up in a very strict R.C. family,  Her father was a conservative “family values Republican Congressman, named  John G. Schmitz, who fathered at least 2 children out of wedlock and refused to take responsibility for them even after their mother DIED!
      As a one time R.C. priest, i swear that Roman Catholics are taught to give nothing but “lip service” to the necessity to develop one’s conscience and to LIVE by it! 

      • http://www.facebook.com/rayosun Ray Dubuque

        I don’t know if providing links is allowed here or not, so I didn’t want to take a chance within my post above, but see my http://JesusWouldBeFurious.Org/ web site, for a multitude of reasons why Catholics would not want to continue being associated with the R.C. church if they had a well-developed conscience and knew HALF of what I publicize on my site.

      • Jack333333

        So, you’re suggesting there’s no pedophiles amongst the teaching profession?  I seriously doubt you’re a professor of logic.  More like a narrow minded bigot who doesn’t want to know that sexual abuse is a humanity wide problem and not isolated to one institution.

      • ANYWHERE15

        Ray, I appreciate your post. I do disagree with a couple of things but will keep it to one. You stated that the only way you could logically compare the number of pedophile priests to the number of pedophile teachers would be to count the number of school teachers known to have REPEATED mollested MANY victims who were KNOWN by their superiors as molesters and ALLOWED to CONTINUE molesting more innocent victims. I disagree with you on the basis that once is all that a victim needs to know that they have been abused. There is a significant amount of abuse in our school system and I have found that NOT to be the case in the Catholic School System my children attend. I do appreciate your comments though

    • Barbara Ostermann

      Actually, coverups are done everywhere, especially in the public school system. There have been numerous reports revealing how several school districts don’t perform background checks, or often hire someone EVEN WHEN they’ve checked the box showing they’ve been violent toward a child before. Of course the priests shouldn’t do it, but the Catholic Church (1-1.5% of priests) has less cases of sexual abuse than Protestants (2-3% of ministers). It’s even higher in the public school system. In fact, in New York City alone, at least one child is sexually abused by a school employee EVERY DAY). Also, according to Dr. Thomas Plante, a psychologist at Santa Clara University, allmost all of the priests accused in the Catholic Church are homosexual. Who wants to talk about coverups, now? You don’t here the public media revealing that the priests are homosexual. And, you don’t hear about these other things.

      • JDvorak1954

        I TOTALLY Agree, Barbara! 

    • Anonymous

      A teacher accused of sexual molestation of a minor who belongs to a teachers union can not be fired and is moved around. How is that not a coverup? And, unlike with the Church, the media rarely reports this. The Church has since reduced the incidence of priest abuse from 4% to less than 1%. That doesn’t interest the mainstream media either!  

  • Anonymous

    Yet another story essentially ignored by the media; doesn’t fit the narrative.
    And doesn’t fit into their anti-catholic anti-religious (muslim excepted)  world view.

    From the report, for those wondering how the teacher unions deal with this….
    11.1 Actions of teacher unions. Until recently, teacher unions in many stateshave actively opposed legislation that would require positive identification (e.g., fingerprinting)of teachers convicted of sexual abuse of students. In most states, teachers whoare already employed are exempt from regulations such as fingerprint identification.There is no research that documents teacher union attempts to identify predatorsamong their members.
    11.1 Actions of teacher unions. Until recently, teacher unions in many stateshave actively opposed legislation that would require positive identification (e.g., fingerprinting)of teachers convicted of sexual abuse of students. In most states, teachers whoare already employed are exempt from regulations such as fingerprint identification.There is no research that documents teacher union attempts to identify predatorsamong their members.
    have actively opposed legislation that would require positive identification (e.g., fingerprinting)
    of teachers convicted of sexual abuse of students. In most states, teachers who
    are already employed are exempt from regulations such as fingerprint identification.
    There is no research that documents teacher union attempts to identify predators
    among their members.

  • Jeff Blogworthy

    Yeah, but we’re used to being molested by the government. Though they mostly anally rape the middle class.

  • Anonymous

    “Yet another story essentially ignored by the media; doesn’t fit the narrative. ”

    I guess the narrative is: hot blond teacher seducing 15 year old boy does not equal 50 year old priest anally raping 15 year old boy. 

    I keep going back to the photo posted with this story: 8 out of the 12 look pretty hot, a teenage boy’s dream come true.  Why not post a picture of Father Paul Shanley or Father John Geoghan alongside?

    • Jeff Blogworthy

      You have quite the fixation on anal rape @Commander_Chico:disqus . I posit that one reason for the church scandal is the infiltration of the Catholic church by homosexuals. Pretty obvious, huh? The media and other activists agitate for “acceptance” of homosexuality then damn them for the consequences of doing so. It’s a pretty good racket if you can get it. Which is exactly why the church should always hold the line on God’s explicit commandments.

      Rick:

      Perhaps you can enlighten us non-Catholics one day concerning the schisms within the Catholic church. Some far-left and some very conservative. I’ve never quite gotten it.

      • Anonymous

        It’s not my fixation, Jeff: it’s the description of what the priests did to boys.  They anally raped them.  I point that out – just so the discussion is clear vs. the public school teachers pictured.  Who would you want your son involved with – Teacher #1 in the pictures or Father Shanley of NAMBLA?

        As for infiltration or whatever, when you impose celibacy as a requirement, men who are trying to suppress perverted desires like pedophilia may find that stricture and structure attractive.  And the raping started long before there was any “acceptance” of homosexuality. 

        The whole church is corrupted by this worldwide scandal and the cover-ups.

        • Jeff Blogworthy

          “And the raping started long before there was any “acceptance” of homosexuality.”

          As near as I can tell, the church scandals began in the 70′s, coincident with the rise of the homosexual movement, and “sexual liberation” movement in general, which I submit are one and the same. The Anita Bryant controversy arose in the 70′s when the pro-homosexual movement was already embedded (so to speak.)

          Wiki: “Bryant’s political success stirred backlash from some opponents. She was “pied” as a political act (in her case, on television), in Des Moines in 1977″

          Obviously, this indicates the radical homosexual political movement was already well under way. “Long before,” eh? Not quite. How about “almost exactly coincident with.”

          • Anonymous

            An atmosphere of “anything goes” may have contributed to it, yes, but the reported cases start in the 1950s, through the 60s.

            Here is the John Jay Report profile of the victims of Catholic sex abuse:   “The John Jay report found that 81% of the victims were male; and of all
            the victims, 22% were younger than age 10, 51% were between the ages of
            11 and 14, and 27% were between the ages to 15 to 17 years”
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Jay_Report

            So, 73% of the victims were 14 or younger.  You can’t really blame a movement for freedom for adult homosexuals for that kind of pedophilia.  That was a sick culture that grew in the Church.  Celibacy is unnatural and attracts the unnatural.

            And to compare it with young female teachers having sex with teenagers is nonsense. 

            Saying hot blond teacher having sex with a 15 year old is the same as priests bumblasting 13 year old boys?  That’s the “conservative” position??  What a crock.

            Where the hell is everyone?  I guess this new system is too complicated for some of the Wizbang resident geniuses.

          • Anonymous

            I am behind you 100% on this one CC.

          • Anonymous

            Doc, I just looked back at the source and saw that this study was from 2004, is not based on primary sources.  It gets trotted out by the apologists for the Catholic church every six months or so.  Really, trying to minimize evil by equating it with not-so-evil is evil itself.   The first step to absolution is repentance, not denial and blaming others.

          • Anonymous

            CC, what exactly do you mean by “not based on primary sources”?

            The report has 2 appendices, Appendix I Newspaper, News Wire, and Broadcast ReferencesAppendix II Surveys and Studies on Child Sexual Abuse
            Appendix I Newspaper, News Wire, and Broadcast References
            Appendix II Surveys and Studies on Child Sexual Abuse

          • Anonymous

            As the graphic on page 8 of “The Causes and Context

            of Sexual Abuse of Minors by

            Catholic Priests in the

            United States, 1950-2010″ reports of church sexual abuse began their precipitous climb in 1951, long before any gay rights movement. This coincides more closely with the increase of people going to college on the G.I. Bill, learning critical thinking, and teaching their kids that priests are not God, and can’t really send them to Hell like they have been saying all these years. Try again.

        • Anonymous

          You’re right Chico, it’s number/1000 that counts, not the absolute number. But then you posit that the public school population is probably 100+ times that of Catholic schools. Which would make the number/1000 about the same for both.

          So, accepting you’re premises and your statement that the scandal corrupted the whole church worldwide, I’m surprised by your failure to make a similar statement about the corruption of public education or at least public school teacher.

          • Anonymous

            UOG:

            Quantitative difference:  I said “more than 100 times,” although I don’t know by how much.

            Qualitative difference:  The molestation by Catholic priests of  the 73% of victims who were 14 year old and younger, 81% boys, is not the same as the female teachers in the pictures having sex with older teenage boys.

            Qualitative difference:  there is no evidence of a continuing institutional cover-up by public school systems, the way the Catholic church hierarchy transferred, enabled and stonewalled for molesting priests.  That was true evil institutional corruption.  I am surprised that anyone is trying to minimize it or defend it.

          • Anonymous

            You’ll just have to take my word for this with reference to the Catholic church scandal (and it was a true scandal), I have no dog in that fight and I’m neither defending or minimizing what happened. It repulses me. It wasn’t just wrong, it was criminal both in what happened to the kids and in how the church dealt with their problem. It was about people in a position that established them as worthy of trust using their positions to prey on the young and vulnerable and protect themselves. That is also how I view the situation with teachers having sex with students. And there have been cases of school administrations covering up what happened, although not to the degree that happened with the Catholic church.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000487814511 Roy R Meadows

            All school systems cover up sexual misconduct by teachers and admin personnel. it’s the nature of the beast and anyone who refuses to accept this is a part of the problem of maybe an abuser trying to cover themselves.

          • http://www.facebook.com/rayosun Ray Dubuque

            Dear Roy,
            Was is GOD who told you that “All school systems cover up sexual misconduct by teachers and admin personnel.”  Or was it a pink bunny who popped out of a watermellon? 
            If you know ANYTHING about religion- including the RC church- one of the great TEN commandments is “Thou shalt not bear FASLE WITNESS against thy neighbor”.  So where do people like you get off  ”bearing FASLE WITNESS against” whole GROUPS of  thy neighbors?  
            Come back when you have PROOF of your charges. Until then, for your penance, read the ten commandments ten times. 
            Fr. Ray

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jorge-C-Cruikshank/100001036063613 Jorge C Cruikshank

          I think pederasts have a tendency toward wanting to live a conservative, suppressed way of life (the same happens with most serial killers; theyre usually utra right wingers). Being a conservative or living a sexually repressed lifestyle, i don’t think, would produce pedophiliac urges. I think that tendency toward repression is a compensation for the dark urges they struggle with.

          Otherwise, they try and convince themselves they love kids, they love being around kids and doing things for them. Which is how they justify taking on vocations that put them around kids (whether as priests, teachers or clowns who visit kids in the burn ward).

      • http://twitter.com/Ricksteroni Brutally Honest

        What particularly are you asking Jeff?  Not sure I’m tracking ya…

        • Jeff Blogworthy

          What I suppose I’m wondering about is the construct of church factions. Theoretically, aren’t the churches supposed to follow the doctrines descending from the pope? Obviously that’s gone haywire somewhere. Are there broad schools of thought within the church that have formed their own authorities? That’s how it looks to me. If so, who are the leaders of those factions? Or is it just relatively few troublemakers? If it is the latter, how do they avoid church discipline? I find it confusing, as an outsider.

      • Anonymous

        Sadly, your attempt to blame pedophile priests on church recruitment of gay priests (a nonexistent movement) is disproven in a study by your own beloved church. And you also ignore the increase in molestations of girls when they began to take a larger role in services,

        “boys and girls were abused, but priests had more access to boys until recently (primarily because parishes permitted girls as
        altar servers only after 1983).”… or did we just never hear about the epidemic of lesbian nuns raping little girls? Just Google:”The Causes and Context

        of Sexual Abuse of Minors by

        Catholic Priests in the

        United States, 1950-2010″Other studies confirm that the most likely molester of children is a male heterosexual. So once again, a religious person has a stranglehold on how he feels, but no clue as to what is real. Q’elle frickin’ suprise. This is one of many things you and your fellow delusionals will never “get.”

        • Jeff Blogworthy

          If you were paying attention, you should know that it is not “my beloved church.” I’m a pretty emphatic and well-grounded protestant. I could debate my issues with Catholic doctrine at length, but I choose not to do so. I don’t see any productive end. I do have respect for the accomplishments of the Catholic church though, and a great deal of respect for some individual Catholics.

          I never said anything about “recruitment.” You put words in my mouth again. I refer to militant infiltration of the church by religious leftists who agitate to change the church’s position on most every moral stance. Sexuality is certainly one of the major issues, homosexuality included. You can pretend that it makes no difference it you like. I disagree. The church at large is supposed to influence society. In many ways, it does. But just as often, society has a detrimental influence on the church. It is an unfortunate reality.

          As an aside, I applaud the Boy Scouts for keeping to their policy of excluding homosexuals in the face of extreme societal pressure. Elewise we would be hearing the same nightmare stories.

          The Kinsey Institute for Research in Sex, Gender and Reproduction (often shortened to the Kinsey Institute) exists “to promote interdisciplinary research and scholarship in the fields of human sexuality, gender, and reproduction”.

          The institute was founded as the Institute for Sex Research at Indiana University in 1947 by Dr. Alfred Kinsey, then an entomologist and zoologist at IU. Its original goals were the study of human sexuality and human sexual behavior. In 1948 and 1953 the Institute published two monographs on human sexuality, generally now known as the Kinsey Reports.

          Contemporaneous with the rise of the Catholic scandals, these perverts were conducting experiments in baby masturbation. Purely coincidental, I’m sure.

          I’m not excusing the Catholic church. I dispute the notion that the church is an institution that harms society on the whole or that it is somehow “worse” than secular institutions. The media may have you believe that, but it does not withstand sctrutiny. That’s the point of the post.

          • Anonymous

            Both Fundamentalist Christians and Fundamentalist Muslims agree on many points, the subjugation of women, children, rape as a right, torture as a punishment and other “sacraments.” This is why President Bush found it easy to bring Sharia law to the U.S. His Saudi business partners swear by it, rape and torture have done wonders for them. 

            Your defense of other pre-literate Bronze-Age tribal cults is understandable. Any primitive system that fosters sadism, misogyny and empowers men is better than a modern, egalitarian society where you are not allowed to beat people to death for being gay, or rape women and children for being too attractive. 

            Your conclusion that Kinsey’s two scientific papers magically swept through the Catholic Church to cause an epidemic of priestly pedophilia is laughable. Desperation. Pathetic. Go away, you sick little man, and stop bothering grownups. We are tired of you prattling about what your imaginary friend wants. 

            Of course you can’t see how your delusion of an afterlife devalues this life and makes people slaves to terrorist threats of Hell. Your darling ex-Nazi Pope said it best when he declared, 

            “In the 1970s, pedophilia was theorized as something fully in conformity
            with man and even with children,” and that “It was maintained – even
            within the realm of Catholic theology – that there is no such thing as
            evil in itself or good in itself.”

            What a depraved piece of human garbage you pimp for, Jeff. You help him ruin this life with the threat of a nonexistent afterlife. Moral Relativism from an ex-Nazi is too funny. 

            Your timeline doesn’t really work, does it, gays in the ’70s caused priests in the ’50s to rape kids? Did they rape them in a time machine? Kinsey’s report caused an epidemic of pedophilia among people who never read it? Get a brain. Use it. 

            Magical thinking is your speciality. It sure beats REAL thinking, which requires a firm grounding in reality, something no religious person can ever experience. So magical thinking is the only kind of thinking you do, stuck as you are in the NEXT life with your angels, demons, gods, saints, ghosts, fairies and Compassionate Conservatives. 

            You are an example of why no sane, intelligent person should give credence to religious arguments. You don’t even KNOW you are lying. Your bullshit detector was removed by your parents and ministers. Leave thinking to people with fully functioning brains. You replaced your brain with a Bible, and it shows. 

          • Jeff Blogworthy

            You pretty much tipped your hand with that post. Thanks for playing.

          • Anonymous

            Thanks for sharing your priceless infauxpinion on who should be allowed to have civil rights, wow, it’s everybody just like you. You never had a hand, and your bluffs don’t work on people who use their brains. 

            Thanks for praying. Sitting on your ass with your hands clasped, mumbling to your invisible superhero makes room for people who actually do things to make the world a better place. Don’t let the hearse door hit you in the butt on your way to Heaven.

  • Anonymous

    I vote for Teacher #7, counting from top left to right, as the hottest.

  • Anonymous

    Um, not to spoil Chica’s wet dream, but nothing in the article states that this is solely female teachers seducing young teenage males.

    No this is all cases of sexual abuse and the vast majority are men assaulting young girls and boys.

    Now how does it sound?  Everyone in favor of some middle age creep screwing your 14YO daughter raise their hand.  Ok how about having them sodomize your son?

    Doesn’t sound like such a fantasy when you put it that way does it?  Well don’t worry about your daughters because Planned Parenthood has the teacher’s backs and will provide abortions without you ever having to be disturbed by the fact that your little girl is being raped by their math teacher.
    http://www.wxii12.com/r/26370009/detail.html
    or their music teacher
    http://www.pressconnects.com/article/20110705/NEWS01/107050354/Binghamton-teacher-faces-rape-charge?odyssey=nav|head

    Perhaps the picture that went with this post was ill-chosen.  This is not about fantasies this is about predatory behavior and a system that has done a better job of covering it up than the Catholic Church ever did.

    • Jeff Blogworthy

      I was about to note the same thing. Who says that there there is no “anal raping” or male to male sexual advances in the public schools? Chico raises a false dichotomy based on the pretty pictures.

      For the record I do agree that the Catholic requirement of celibacy for priests is unnatural and extra-biblical. Very few are given the “gift” of celibacy. It certainly is not something that should be forced or coerced.

  • Anonymous

    Not surprising there are mentally ill individuals all over this society. Hell, many of them voted for the ‘Won’.

    Cherry_Chico-  ”For what it’s worth, I don’t consider a hot female teacher (like some in the picture) seducing a 16 year old boy as “sexual abuse,” I consider it “wet dream come true.”

    So , at what point does it stop arousing your fantasy’s? 14? 12? 10? 

  • Anonymous

    Exactly Jim,

    Chico, as usual, has built his agrument on totally false premises.  First, male teachers preying on young females and males is way more common than female teachers abusing young boys.  And second, covering it up and moving the teacher to another school or district is standard procedure for public schools, not an exception.

    (P.S. Welcome back, Chico.  I missed your constant use of logical fallacies in the comments.  I find it endless humorous.)

  • Anonymous

    Yes chico, there are Barney Frank types teaching in public schools and I am sure he/they would find your son/s just as attractive as you find #7.

  • Anonymous

    Perhaps the false premises of the argument is the study which confuses “sexual abuse” with “sexual misconduct” like “inappropriate jokes” and “staring.”

    This is from the DOE’s own preface to the study:

    “It is important to note some of the Department’s reservations about the findings in the literature
    review. Specifically, the author focuses in large measure on a broad set of inappropriate behaviors
    designated as “sexual misconduct,” rather than “sexual abuse,” which is the term used in the
    statute.”

    So these numbers include a lot of “inappropriate jokes.”   I’m sure that public school teachers have done some raping, but I still don’t see the conspiracy that the Catholic Church had.

    • Anonymous

      You’re just not going to get it, I’m sure, but just because no one’s reporting on all the instances of public schools conspiring to cover up instances does not mean they don’t exist.   It happens all the time.  It’s hard as hell to fire a tenured union member. Better to move them to another school or district. 

      • Anonymous

        So this is just an article of faith with you.  Well, I agree, there must be cover-ups of serious sexual abuse in a big country like the USA. These things are going to happen.  But this “study” based on radical feminist ideology does not prove anything, because it lumps “inappropriate jokes” in with rape.

        Are the cover-ups in public schools anything like the Catholic hierarchy’s actions over several countries?  I doubt it.  For one thing, school officials are answerable to local school boards.

        • Anonymous

          “I doubt it.”

          And that’s and article of faith for you.  My faith (beliefs) are derived from personal experience and observations and I personally know as fact at least 5 examples of pervert/predatory teachers who ended up at different schools after they were caught, where as I have never seen or heard of a single priest that the same thing happened to (and I grew up Catholic and was an alter boy, so I know a lot of priests), but I’ve also worked in the public schools and have a lot or friends who still do, so know a lot more teachers than priests.   Not one of the teachers mentioned above made the news, of course, or they likely wouldn’t still be working in public schools today.

        • Anonymous

          “I doubt it.”

          And that’s and article of faith for you.  My faith (beliefs) are derived from personal experience and observations and I personally know as fact at least 5 examples of pervert/predatory teachers who ended up at different schools after they were caught, where as I have never seen or heard of a single priest that the same thing happened to (and I grew up Catholic and was an alter boy, so I know a lot of priests), but I’ve also worked in the public schools and have a lot or friends who still do, so know a lot more teachers than priests.   Not one of the teachers mentioned above made the news, of course, or they likely wouldn’t still be working in public schools today.

      • http://www.facebook.com/rayosun Ray Dubuque

        P_,
        It’s totally irrational to say as you “just because no one’s reporting on all the instances of public schools conspiring to cover up instances does not mean they don’t exist.”   UNLESS you have some OTHER proof of what you claim.  
        Let me illustrate.  When I say “just because no one’s reporting on all the crucial  connections of the George Herbert Walker Bush family with Adolf Hitler does not mean they don’t exist” what makes that claim RATIONAL is that there is plenty of evidence to support it which the so-called “liberal” main stream media ( LOL ).  has consistently kept from the public, which I expose at http://JesusWouldBeFurious.Org/Bushfamily.html .

        • Anonymous

          You need to look up “rational” and “proof” in the dictionary, although I doubt it would do you any good.

          • http://www.facebook.com/rayosun Ray Dubuque

            Bunyan,  I’m a graduate of 24 years of RC education and was a professor of LOGIC among other subjects in a Catholic seminary.  Anybody who can READ the hundreds of pages of my http://JesusWouldBeFurious.Org/ and related web sites can see how well I understand the meaning of the words  ”rational” and “proof” .  
            But when  rational people read YOUR POSTS, they know sending you to a dictionary probably wouldn’t  do you any good.
            P.S. Bunyan, Just because the Internet offers you the opportunity to display your ignorance doesn’t mean that you have to jump at the opportunity.

    • Anonymous

      I will concede, however, that the “100 times” things is misleading as there probably are 100 times the number of school teachers as priests in this country so in reality each school teacher is no more or less likely to be a sexual predator than each priest. 

      I think a more important point to be made is that sexual abuse by priests is common knowledge, whereas sexual abuse by teachers in unlikely to be covered by the media unless it is a more sensational example like the hot young female teachers pictured above preying on young boys.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_HAILWLW4MDALGBULS3C7DT22N4 Vertebrae8

    Don’t you duudz get it. This is diffrant. Highschool sex abuse is ok, cuz they themselvz don’t think it is abuse, it is just natural, it is between both boyz n girlz n homosexuals too, it teaches them valuble lessuns. It iz not so bad. But religius abuse is hypocritical. They should just do like us n accept that it is ok to sodomize and molest kids and eachother as long as you don’t have n e moral standarz.

  • http://twitter.com/sjreidhead SJ Reidhead

    You want to add my picture to those who were molested by an educator?  It ruins lives – enough said.

    SJR
    The pink Flamingo

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_6SQWADITZPYHKSWSM5ONMDI52I Greta

    The Catholic Church haters in this crowd of commenters is very obvious and has little to do with the kids.  This study speaks for itself in the total number of kids abused.  It is obvious that few here really give a damn about the kids from their posts.  They do not respond to the facts posted concerning teachers not reported to gain their signature to leave quietly or to the unions who continue to support them while showing little concern for the kids safety or education.  Every child should be protected and every adult who does anything to a child should be put away for a very long time.  I doubt the Catholic Church bashers would support legislation that a one time offense of a child would put someone in jail for a minimum of say 10 years. 

    • http://www.facebook.com/rayosun Ray Dubuque

      Greta, 
      I spent the first 33 years of my life as such a devout Catholic that I went to RC schools and seminaries for 24 years and became a priest and a seminary professor. I doubt that as a woman you can say you have done MORE to prove how much you “love” the RC church.But you give me the  choice between being a LOVER of a church that didn’t have a SINGLE bishop who objected to the molestation of innocent young Catholic boys and girls UNTIL that scandal was made public BY THE MEDIA AND THE COURTS, and being “a Catholic Church hater”, then THAT is what I proudly choose,  ALONG WITH JESUS who said “If any of you put a stumbling block before one of these little ones who believe in me, it would be better for you if a great millstone were fastened around your neck and you were drowned in the depth of the sea. Woe to the world because of stumbling blocks! Occasions for stumbling are bound to come, but woe to the one by whom the stumbling block comes!” See http://JesusWouldBeFurious.Org/clericalpedophilia.html .

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Doris-Oberlander/1209071235 Doris Oberlander

    Well it seems the only valid conclusion is that where ever people exist there is corruption. However, there is also good. Everyone is given a choice to do good or evil.

  • Barbara Ostermann

    I’m so tired of ignorant people. There is the Catholic Church and it’s GOOD teachings, and there are sins of the people. Also, it has been proven (yes, actually by a psychologist) that nearly all of the Catholic priests accused of sexual misconduct are homosexual. Unfortunately, there are many priests and bishops who are sympathetic to the homosexual tendencies, and even though these men harmed children, they’re homosexual sympathizers didn’t want to out them. It cracks me up when people leave the Church because of things that people do. Learn to see the difference, and don’t generalize.

  • Barbara Ostermann

    Ray, no wonder you are so incredibly messed up – you were in seminary when it was RIDICULOUS, ridden with Rome haters, birth control defenders, homosexuals, and whatever else. God save you.

  • Jack333333

    You got a thing for sodomizing boys do you?  What proof do you have that pedo Priests are the only ones sodomizing boys.  What do you know about pedophilia anyways?  Based on your ignorant comments here, nothing. 

  • http://twitter.com/PhiIs_Goodman Phils Goodman

    Terrible, misleading methodology behind these conclusions.

    First of all, there are currently 50 million students in public schools vs less than 2.5 million in Catholic schools. That means there more than 20 times as many public school students. 10,667 cases of abuse times 20 is over 21 million.

    Second of all, the 10,667 incidents are based on cases that have been CONFIRMED BY THE CATHOLIC CHURCH ITSELF, whereas incidence of abuse in public schools is based completely on extrapolation (a much lower standard of evidence, obviously).

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=24903313 Michael Moore

      10667 * 20 = 213,340, not 21 million. 213,340 you’ll note is still smaller than 290,000.

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  • wicalendar

    You’re a joke! And a liar!

  • Jill

    Where are your stats for that first point? It has been suggested that females abuse just as frequently as males but are not taken as seriously or reported.

  • Jill
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  • gratiaplena

    Celibacy is “forced or coerced”? Not so, Otis. Every man who wants to be a priest KNOWS ahead of time that celibacy is a requirement. He makes his own choice whether he wants to be bound by this requirement.

    Also, you claim celibacy is extra-biblical. Really? Did not Paul remain “celibate for the Kingdom”? Jesus was celibate. The priesthood is the imitation of Christ, who was celibate for the Kingdom. Very biblical, Otis.

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  • adamorenstein

    What a moronic conclusion, not by the study, but in this skewed article’s presentation. Yes, one is more likely to get abused by a teacher in a public school than by a priest in a Catholic church. Why? Duh, because nearly every child in the US encounters public school teachers, and a tiny percentage has alone time with a Catholic priest. Compare the rates, number of teachers vs. number of priests, etc., and the rate of abuse by teachers is around .04%, while the rate among priests could be as high as 7%. The lowest claim is 1.5% of priests with credible claims against them, but the church has never released the accusations to the public to evaluate credibility.

    • Jenny Sue

      Actually your numbers are wrong: 419,728 priests in the US, divided by 10,667 incidents over 52 years equals 0.05 percent chance per year for any single priest to sexually assault a student. With public school teachers there are 3,219,458 in the US, with 209000 incidents in 10 years equals 0.65 percent chance of occurrence per year of any single teacher sexually assaulting a child. Teachers are more than 10 times more likely to molest a child they encounter.

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  • Patrick Henry

    Regarding all the arguments about comparing statistics, percentages and actual numbers of children being molested: As both a Christian (non-Catholic) and a journalist, I observe several things:

    1. I understand that children being molested within the confines of an
    institution whose teachings condemn this behavior makes it “newsworthy” because of the glaring contrast between this practice occurring in a place that teaches against it, and because, if any place is safe, it should be a Church.
    But is there hostility and bias on the part of the media as well?
    Certainly! Besides there being plenty of case evidence, it is also LOGICAL to expect hostility and bias on the part of the media (not to be confused with “reasonable”, which it is not).

    Here’s the logic:
    a) We know from several studies that there is an overwhelming & growing liberal bias within the media,

    b) There is demonstrably and undeniably a growing anti-theist sentiment within modern liberalism,

    c) Therefore, it is logical to conclude that most in the media are biased and hostile against religion in general, and plenty of evidence that it is against Christian believers in particular.

    2. Although the PERCENTAGE of children molested in school is smaller, the actual NUMBER is far greater and should warrant the same (OR MORE) attention by the media.
    Even though it is less SURPRISING, it is no less devastating for our children to be molested by the people and the institution in which we place our trust AND to which we send our children every five out of seven days.

    I believe that the lack of attention by the media to the overall problem of children being molested by teachers and staff doesn’t “smell right” (i.e. there is not an obvious reason why, comparatively speaking, they report an inordinate amount on the apparent epidemic of molestation within the Catholic Church and virtually none on the very same crime within our public schools).

    3. I estimate that about 90% of the molestations we hear about are by male priests with young boys. Yet I have never seen a news story about the large number of children molested in Church that identifies the perverted perpetrators as PEDOPHILE HOMOSEXUALS.
    The media seems to want to lay the blame for these molestations on the Catholic Church, on priests, and on religion, but you never see (and likely never will) a headline such as:
    “More Homosexual Pedophiles Found Guilty of Molesting Children in the
    Catholic Church”,
    or
    “Investigators Find Homosexual Pedophiles to Blame for Molesting Greatest Number of Children”..

    So, in conclusion, we need to acknowledge that it is a myth that there is a great degree of objectivity within journalism. ALL of us, even journalists, filter things through our biases, prejudices, and experiences. There is a demonstrable bias against all religion and Christianity in particular, which can only be reduced by first admitting the problem exists.

    Also, NO one should be given a pass when it comes to child molestation. Reporters can begin by reporting on the OVERALL problem, not just within the Church.
    The media also needs to stop sacrificing truth for political correctness, and identify ALL the groups that are responsible for child molestation, and what steps can be taken by involved parents.