Just the Facts: Obama’s speech and Speaker Boehner’s response

Mr. Obama spoke first:

Good evening.  Tonight, I want to talk about the debate we’ve been having in Washington over the national debt — a debate that directly affects the lives of all Americans.

For the last decade, we’ve spent more money than we take in.  In the year 2000, the government had a budget surplus.  But instead of using it to pay off our debt, the money was spent on trillions of dollars in new tax cuts, while two wars and an expensive prescription drug program were simply added to our nation’s credit card.

As a result, the deficit was on track to top $1 trillion the year I took office.  To make matters worse, the recession meant that there was less money coming in, and it required us to spend even more -– on tax cuts for middle-class families to spur the economy; on unemployment insurance; on aid to states so we could prevent more teachers and firefighters and police officers from being laid off.  These emergency steps also added to the deficit.

Now, every family knows that a little credit card debt is manageable.  But if we stay on the current path, our growing debt could cost us jobs and do serious damage to the economy.  More of our tax dollars will go toward paying off the interest on our loans.  Businesses will be less likely to open up shop and hire workers in a country that can’t balance its books.  Interest rates could climb for everyone who borrows money -– the homeowner with a mortgage, the student with a college loan, the corner store that wants to expand.  And we won’t have enough money to make job-creating investments in things like education and infrastructure, or pay for vital programs like Medicare and Medicaid.

Because neither party is blameless for the decisions that led to this problem, both parties have a responsibility to solve it.  And over the last several months, that’s what we’ve been trying to do.  I won’t bore you with the details of every plan or proposal, but basically, the debate has centered around two different approaches.

The first approach says, let’s live within our means by making serious, historic cuts in government spending.  Let’s cut domestic spending to the lowest level it’s been since Dwight Eisenhower was President.  Let’s cut defense spending at the Pentagon by hundreds of billions of dollars.  Let’s cut out waste and fraud in health care programs like Medicare — and at the same time, let’s make modest adjustments so that Medicare is still there for future generations.  Finally, let’s ask the wealthiest Americans and biggest corporations to give up some of their breaks in the tax code and special deductions.

This balanced approach asks everyone to give a little without requiring anyone to sacrifice too much.  It would reduce the deficit by around $4 trillion and put us on a path to pay down our debt.  And the cuts wouldn’t happen so abruptly that they’d be a drag on our economy, or prevent us from helping small businesses and middle-class families get back on their feet right now.

This approach is also bipartisan.  While many in my own party aren’t happy with the painful cuts it makes, enough will be willing to accept them if the burden is fairly shared.  While Republicans might like to see deeper cuts and no revenue at all, there are many in the Senate who have said, “Yes, I’m willing to put politics aside and consider this approach because I care about solving the problem.”  And to his credit, this is the kind of approach the Republican Speaker of the House, John Boehner, was working on with me over the last several weeks.

The only reason this balanced approach isn’t on its way to becoming law right now is because a significant number of Republicans in Congress are insisting on a different approach — a cuts-only approach -– an approach that doesn’t ask the wealthiest Americans or biggest corporations to contribute anything at all.  And because nothing is asked of those at the top of the income scale, such an approach would close the deficit only with more severe cuts to programs we all care about –- cuts that place a greater burden on working families.

So the debate right now isn’t about whether we need to make tough choices.  Democrats and Republicans agree on the amount of deficit reduction we need.  The debate is about how it should be done.  Most Americans, regardless of political party, don’t understand how we can ask a senior citizen to pay more for her Medicare before we ask a corporate jet owner or the oil companies to give up tax breaks that other companies don’t get.  How can we ask a student to pay more for college before we ask hedge fund managers to stop paying taxes at a lower rate than their secretaries?  How can we slash funding for education and clean energy before we ask people like me to give up tax breaks we don’t need and didn’t ask for?

That’s not right.  It’s not fair.  We all want a government that lives within its means, but there are still things we need to pay for as a country -– things like new roads and bridges; weather satellites and food inspection; services to veterans and medical research.

And keep in mind that under a balanced approach, the 98 percent of Americans who make under $250,000 would see no tax increases at all.  None.  In fact, I want to extend the payroll tax cut for working families.  What we’re talking about under a balanced approach is asking Americans whose incomes have gone up the most over the last decade -– millionaires and billionaires -– to share in the sacrifice everyone else has to make.  And I think these patriotic Americans are willing to pitch in.  In fact, over the last few decades, they’ve pitched in every time we passed a bipartisan deal to reduce the deficit.  The first time a deal was passed, a predecessor of mine made the case for a balanced approach by saying this:

“Would you rather reduce deficits and interest rates by raising revenue from those who are not now paying their fair share, or would you rather accept larger budget deficits, higher interest rates, and higher unemployment?  And I think I know your answer.”

Those words were spoken by Ronald Reagan.  But today, many Republicans in the House refuse to consider this kind of balanced approach -– an approach that was pursued not only by President Reagan, but by the first President Bush, by President Clinton, by myself, and by many Democrats and Republicans in the United States Senate.  So we’re left with a stalemate.

Now, what makes today’s stalemate so dangerous is that it has been tied to something known as the debt ceiling -– a term that most people outside of Washington have probably never heard of before.

Understand –- raising the debt ceiling does not allow Congress to spend more money.  It simply gives our country the ability to pay the bills that Congress has already racked up.  In the past, raising the debt ceiling was routine.  Since the 1950s, Congress has always passed it, and every President has signed it.  President Reagan did it 18 times.  George W. Bush did it seven times.  And we have to do it by next Tuesday, August 2nd, or else we won’t be able to pay all of our bills.

Unfortunately, for the past several weeks, Republican House members have essentially said that the only way they’ll vote to prevent America’s first-ever default is if the rest of us agree to their deep, spending cuts-only approach.

If that happens, and we default, we would not have enough money to pay all of our bills -– bills that include monthly Social Security checks, veterans’ benefits, and the government contracts we’ve signed with thousands of businesses.

For the first time in history, our country’s AAA credit rating would be downgraded, leaving investors around the world to wonder whether the United States is still a good bet.  Interest rates would skyrocket on credit cards, on mortgages and on car loans, which amounts to a huge tax hike on the American people.  We would risk sparking a deep economic crisis -– this one caused almost entirely by Washington.

So defaulting on our obligations is a reckless and irresponsible outcome to this debate.  And Republican leaders say that they agree we must avoid default.  But the new approach that Speaker Boehner unveiled today, which would temporarily extend the debt ceiling in exchange for spending cuts, would force us to once again face the threat of default just six months from now.  In other words, it doesn’t solve the problem.

First of all, a six-month extension of the debt ceiling might not be enough to avoid a credit downgrade and the higher interest rates that all Americans would have to pay as a result.  We know what we have to do to reduce our deficits; there’s no point in putting the economy at risk by kicking the can further down the road.

But there’s an even greater danger to this approach.  Based on what we’ve seen these past few weeks, we know what to expect six months from now.  The House of Representatives will once again refuse to prevent default unless the rest of us accept their cuts-only approach.  Again, they will refuse to ask the wealthiest Americans to give up their tax cuts or deductions.  Again, they will demand harsh cuts to programs like Medicare.  And once again, the economy will be held captive unless they get their way.

This is no way to run the greatest country on Earth.  It’s a dangerous game that we’ve never played before, and we can’t afford to play it now.  Not when the jobs and livelihoods of so many families are at stake.  We can’t allow the American people to become collateral damage to Washington’s political warfare.

Congress now has one week left to act, and there are still paths forward.  The Senate has introduced a plan to avoid default, which makes a down payment on deficit reduction and ensures that we don’t have to go through this again in six months.

I think that’s a much better approach, although serious deficit reduction would still require us to tackle the tough challenges of entitlement and tax reform.  Either way, I’ve told leaders of both parties that they must come up with a fair compromise in the next few days that can pass both houses of Congress -– and a compromise that I can sign.  I’m confident we can reach this compromise.  Despite our disagreements, Republican leaders and I have found common ground before.  And I believe that enough members of both parties will ultimately put politics aside and help us make progress.

Now, I realize that a lot of the new members of Congress and I don’t see eye-to-eye on many issues.  But we were each elected by some of the same Americans for some of the same reasons.  Yes, many want government to start living within its means.  And many are fed up with a system in which the deck seems stacked against middle-class Americans in favor of the wealthiest few.  But do you know what people are fed up with most of all?

They’re fed up with a town where compromise has become a dirty word.  They work all day long, many of them scraping by, just to put food on the table.  And when these Americans come home at night, bone-tired, and turn on the news, all they see is the same partisan three-ring circus here in Washington.  They see leaders who can’t seem to come together and do what it takes to make life just a little bit better for ordinary Americans.  They’re offended by that.  And they should be.

The American people may have voted for divided government, but they didn’t vote for a dysfunctional government.  So I’m asking you all to make your voice heard.  If you want a balanced approach to reducing the deficit, let your member of Congress know.  If you believe we can solve this problem through compromise, send that message.

America, after all, has always been a grand experiment in compromise.  As a democracy made up of every race and religion, where every belief and point of view is welcomed, we have put to the test time and again the proposition at the heart of our founding:  that out of many, we are one.  We’ve engaged in fierce and passionate debates about the issues of the day, but from slavery to war, from civil liberties to questions of economic justice, we have tried to live by the words that Jefferson once wrote:  “Every man cannot have his way in all things — without this mutual disposition, we are disjointed individuals, but not a society.”

History is scattered with the stories of those who held fast to rigid ideologies and refused to listen to those who disagreed.  But those are not the Americans we remember.  We remember the Americans who put country above self, and set personal grievances aside for the greater good.  We remember the Americans who held this country together during its most difficult hours; who put aside pride and party to form a more perfect union.

That’s who we remember.  That’s who we need to be right now.  The entire world is watching.  So let’s seize this moment to show why the United States of America is still the greatest nation on Earth –- not just because we can still keep our word and meet our obligations, but because we can still come together as one nation.

Thank you, God bless you, and may God bless the United States of America.

Speaker of the House John Boehner replied:

Good evening. I’m John Boehner. I serve as Speaker of the whole House — of the members of both parties that you elect. These are difficult times in the life of our nation. Millions are looking for work, have been for some time, and the spending binge going on in Washington is a big part of the reason why.

Before I served in Congress, I ran a small business in Ohio. I was amazed at how different Washington DC operated than every business in America. Where most American business make the hard choices to pay their bills and live within their means, in Washington more spending and more debt is business as usual.

I’ve got news for Washington – those days are over.

President Obama came to Congress in January and requested business as usual — yet another routine increase in the national debt limit — we in the House said ‘not so fast.’ Here was the president, asking for the largest debt increase in American history, on the heels of the largest spending binge in American history.

Here’s what we got for that spending binge: a massive health care bill that most Americans never asked for. A ‘stimulus’ bill that was more effective in producing material for late-night comedians than it was in producing jobs. And a national debt that has gotten so out of hand it has sparked a crisis without precedent in my lifetime or yours.

The United States cannot default on its debt obligations. The jobs and savings of too many Americans are at stake.

What we told the president in January was this: the American people will not accept an increase in the debt limit without significant spending cuts and reforms.

And over the last six months, we’ve done our best to convince the president to partner with us to do something dramatic to change the fiscal trajectory of our country. . .something that will boost confidence in our economy, renew a measure of faith in our government, and help small businesses get back on track.

Last week, the House passed such a plan, and with bipartisan support. It’s called the ‘Cut, Cap, and Balance’ Act. It CUTS and CAPS government spending and paves the way for a Balanced Budget Amendment to the Constitution, which we believe is the best way to stop Washington from spending money it doesn’t have. Before we even passed the bill in the House, the President said he would veto it.

I want you to know I made a sincere effort to work with the president to identify a path forward that would implement the principles of Cut, Cap, & Balance in a manner that could secure bipartisan support and be signed into law. I gave it my all.

Unfortunately, the president would not take yes for an answer. Even when we thought we might be close on an agreement, the president’s demands changed.

The president has often said we need a ‘balanced’ approach — which in Washington means: we spend more. . .you pay more. Having run a small business, I know those tax increases will destroy jobs.

The president is adamant that we cannot make fundamental changes to our entitlement programs. As the father of two daughters, I know these programs won’t be there for them and their kids unless significant action is taken now.

The sad truth is that the president wanted a blank check six months ago, and he wants a blank check today. That is just not going to happen.

You see, there is no stalemate in Congress. The House has passed a bill to raise the debt limit with bipartisan support. And this week, while the Senate is struggling to pass a bill filled with phony accounting and Washington gimmicks, we will pass another bill – one that was developed with the support of the bipartisan leadership of the U.S. Senate.

Obviously, I expect that bill can and will pass the Senate, and be sent to the President for his signature. If the President signs it, the ‘crisis’ atmosphere he has created will simply disappear. The debt limit will be raised. Spending will be cut by more than one trillion dollars, and a serious, bipartisan committee of the Congress will begin the hard but necessary work of dealing with the tough challenges our nation faces.

The individuals doing this work will not be outsiders, but elected representatives of the people, doing the job they were elected to do as outlined in the Constitution. Those decisions should be made based on how they will affect people who are struggling to get a job, not how they affect some politician’s chances of getting reelected.

This debate isn’t about President Obama and House Republicans … it isn’t about Congress and the White House … it’s about what’s standing between the American people and the future we seek for ourselves and our families.

You know, I’ve always believed, the bigger government, the smaller the people. And right now, we have a government so big and so expensive it’s sapping the drive of our people and keeping our economy from running at full capacity.

The solution to this crisis is not complicated: if you’re spending more money than you’re taking in, you need to spend less of it.

There is no symptom of big government more menacing than our debt. Break its grip, and we begin to liberate our economy and our future.

We are up to the task, and I hope President Obama will join us in this work.

God bless you and your families, and God bless America.

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  • Anonymous

    The adult and the child.

    I just tried emailing and calling my congresswoman’s and Boehner’s offices. Mailboxes full, email slow or producing errors. 

    Wanted to congratulate the Speaker on a home run of a speech. Made Obama look even smaller & more petty than usual.

  • davidt

    Obama is caught between a rock and a hard place. Between the spenders/looters who installed him to rubber-stamp their spending/looting, and the fact that there’s no more money or credit to sustain that spending/looting.

    I doubt he has the temperament to weather the situation.

  • Anonymous

     Narc 1 has failed..

  • Anonymous

    Obama = reason. Boehner = corporate lap dog.

    • Anonymous

      “Obama = reason.”‘

      Yes Barry is the reason for this depression.  He is also a Soros foreign interest lap puppet!

    • Sheik Yur Bouty

      drewphillips = soros shill

    • Anonymous

      Yeah, Boehner’s Goldman Sach’s lapdo…..oh wait. Maybe he’s General Electric’s Lap D……uh oh. I GOT it. He’s General Motor’s La……….Damn.

    • Anonymous

      Boehner=rational     drewphillips/obama=assclowns

  • Anonymous

    Both of these nitwits want to keep pouring money into Afghanistan, how about saving money there?

    • Anonymous

      Yes we know Chico, you tell us this same thing 10 or 15 times a day. But thanks for the reminder that the Won is still spending money on wars, not only Afghanistan and Iraq but now Libia too so he’s doing Bush 1 better.

    • Anonymous

      How? By investing in poppies?

  • davidt

    “This is no way to run the greatest country on Earth. ”

    “So let’s seize this moment to show why the United States of America is still the greatest nation on Earth.”

    You know Obama must be desperate if he refers to the US as, “The greatest nation on Earth,” twice in one speech instead of apologizing for our existence.

    Then he tops it off with a, “Thank you, God bless you, and may God bless the United States of America.” Yeah, right.

    • His pastor of twenty years would not agree with asking God’s Blessings on the United States.  Far from it.

  • Anonymous

    People saw what they wanted to see and heard what they wanted to hear.

  • Anonymous

    Obama is disingenuous as always.

    Still blames Bush, still tries to deflect the blame elsewhere and still completely disconnected from reality.
    There is so much bullshit in his speech it’s hard to wade through it all.

    Normally, words have meanings. Not with this incompetent and the lap dog press. If his words did have meaning, he’d be eating the following:

    “The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. Government can’t pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government’s reckless fiscal policies. … Increasing America’s debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that ‘the buck stops here. Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better.”

    And davidt has a good point. Obama must be desperate to compliment the country, more than once, in the same speech.

  • Jeff Blogworthy

    For me, this line from Obama jumped out:

    “I won’t bore you with the details of every plan or proposal…”

    It speaks volumes. It is the usual condescension. The Democrats have never had a plan or a proposal. They present nothing. They have failed to pass a budget. They pass oatmeal bills with no substance that do nothing but give themselves unlimited power. They turn the constitution into the same meaningless mush to eliminate all limits on government. These people are evil incarnate. They make me sick.

    I congratulate the Republicans on standing firm. I didn’t think they had it in them. They should seize that line about Democrats being fiscal child abusers.

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  • “I won’t bore you with the details” …  mainly because he has no clue what they are and no intention of sticking to them anyway …

    • And, should he actually provide a detailed plan. the CBO will reveal all the smoke and mirrors.  They cannot, after all, score a speech.

  • Anonymous

    Too bad the President doesn’t read and act on the part of his speech:

    The American people may have voted for divided government, but they didn’t vote for a dysfunctional government.  So I’m asking you all to make your voice heard.

    History is scattered with the stories of those who held fast to rigid ideologies and refused to listen to those who disagreed.  But those are not the Americans we remember.  We remember the Americans who put country above self, and set personal grievances aside for the greater good.  We remember the Americans who held this country together during its most difficult hours; who put aside pride and party to form a more perfect union.
    That’s who we remember.  That’s who we need to be right now.  The entire world is watching.  So let’s seize this moment to show why the United States of America is still the greatest nation on Earth –- not just because we can still keep our word and meet our obligations, but because we can still come together as one nation.


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  • PBunyan

    This has been going on for so long it’s really sickening.  They meet in secret and nobody but them knows the truth of what was discussed or who offered what– then crybaby Obama comes out in front of his sycophants, err I mean the press, and spews a bunch of outrageous lies and logical falacies, Boehner counters and the next day the exact same thing happens all over again. 

    Really what Boehner needs to do is say that they will no longer negotiate behind closed doors.  That all negotiations will be brocast publicly, or there will be no negotiations at all.  The house has already passed at least 2 budget bills.  They’ve done their jobs openly and honestly.  Now Obama needs to do the same for the first time in his life.   Enough empty lies from the empty suit.

    Anyone who thinks what Obama says in public is even remotely similiar to what he says in secret is a dimwitted food.  They way to defeat Obama is to force him to show his cards.

  • Anonymous

    Poor Barry, in over his head and too damned stupid to realize it.

    • Clay

      Stupid or insane.

  • Ok I have read the responses and to say that I am disappointed is and understatement.Yes the Presidents speech was somewhat partisan but so was Boehner’s. What he advocated is not going to happen so that is dead in the water. But for the rest of you to believe that all these problems fall at the feet of our President is just foolish. It was not Obama that bailed out wall street it was Bush it was not Obama that allowed the predatory lending to continue it was Bush it was not Obama that said we had to bail out wall street or we would collapse as a country. Obama did not send our troops into war he forced Bush to get and exit date. It was not Bush the nailed Osama it was Obama, it was Obama that took out the leaders of our enemy in Pakistan not Bush. But most of you want to blame the President for it all. My god I live in a country full of uneducated un-intelligent wing-nuts if I could just find a nice quiet island I think I would leave all of you to your self destructive beliefs. You will vote for the same idiots that caused all this in the first place led by the folks that pull their strings on wall street and then wonder why in 10-20 years you have no job no money and are working like a 3rd world peasant.

    • PBunyan

      if I could just find a nice quiet island
      I think I would leave all of you to your self destructive beliefs.

      And I’ll chip in to help cover your moving expenses!

      You are a classic example of the timeless truth so eloquently stated by Ronald Reagan:

      “Well, the trouble with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant, but that they know so much that isn’t so.”

      • Anonymous

        “And I’ll chip in to help cover your moving expenses!”

        And I’ll chip in to help buy doch a clue.

        • Amazing the clueless buying me a clue

        • Make sure it has handles so he can keep a hold on it.

      • Point out 1 fact that is not so

        • PBunyan

          Point out 1 fact
          that is not so

          “It was not Obama that bailed out wall street”

          Um, you don’t seem to understand how the US government works, but Representatives and Senators have to appove bills before the President signs them into law and Obama voted FOR THE BAILOUTS.

          “it was not Obama that allowed the predatory lending it was Bush”

          True that this preceeded Obama assention into national politics and most of the groundwork for the problem was laid down by other Democrats when Obama was just a simple anti-American communist organizer, but the Dems basically forced the banks to do what you mistakenly refer to as “predatory lending”  (look up “Community Reinvest Act”).  Bush tried to fix this problem in 2002 and 2005 but the Dems in the Senate (including Obama in 2005) stopped him.

          “it was not Obama that said we had to bail out wall street or we would collapse as a country

          Actually he said almost exactly that, and as I pointed out, as a Senator he VOTED FOR THE BAILOUT you douche.

          “Obama did not send our troops into war”

          Yes, he did.  Except whereas President Bush sought and received Congressional authorization, Obama started his war for oil, illegally and unilaterally.

          “It was not Bush the nailed Osama it was Obama”

          Actually it was the Navy Seals who “nailed” him, after Obama reluctanty approved of the mission.  And Obama opposed practically everything President Bush did that led to locating Bin Laden.  This all happened long before Obama even started running for President.  So basically President Bush got the ball on the opposing 1 yard line, drove it 98.97 yards while Obama was fighting against him and for the other team, then Obama got the ball, reluctantly moved it the final inch and took the credit for the touchdown.

          “You will vote for the same idiots that caused all this in the first place”

          This happend a long time ago, probably before you were born, but there was a time when our country was recovering nicely from a recession and even though the government was spending too much, the budget defict started to decrease dramatically every year (2001-2006).  Then a group of evil anti-American communists (the Democrat Party and the MSM) convinced the public to put them in power and they’d loose end the war.  When they came to power (2007) they massively increased the federal budget and trippled the deficit while not keeping the campaign promise about the war.  Actually they didn’t care about the war or the troops at all, except that they were a hostage to be used to force President Bush to sign the destructive legislation they were creating.  They did nothing about the looming housing crisis they created, caused millions to loose their jobs by increasing the Marxist employment barrier minimum wage and passing massive new regulations.  Then they did nothing to stop speculators from delivering the death blow to our economy by jacking up the price of oil.

          And you my cluess leftist friend voted for those idiots, the ones who really caused this problem.

          Now, I’m not saying the Republicans are angels or in any way blameless in all this, but if you think Obama and the Dems are anything but pure, anti-American, evil, Marxists you are truly ignorant.

          Oh wait, you only wanted me to point out 1 thing.  Darn it, I got carried away there. But there sure was a lot of leftist shit in that post. Are you one of Obama’s speech writers?

          • Game, Set, Match.

          • I believe that again you are trying to use the Republican tactic of-if you tell a lie long enough you can get them to believe you. First I never gave Obama a pass on anything. You had said in your round about way that as he is the President and it all rests on him. I attempted to point out to you that it was Bush that called for the bailout as the President. You can’t spin it both ways. It was Bush that would not go in after Osama when he was trapped. He would also not have violated Pakistan territory as did Obama and I think you might know how the chain of military command works. Obama called the shots that sent in seal team 6. Did he personally take out Osama No did he give the go on it yes. And as much as I may dis-like the Democratic party as  American’s they have the right to their opinion and I value it as much as I do yours. Your facts are screwed by your ideology so that no cohesive thought can enter your head. I can look at both sides and see where they are both wrong you sir do not have that ability.On the current problem off the debt they the Republican party are wrong as they are being run by tea party wing nut. (I am sorry if the shoe fits you personally) They had won the debate but could not even accept the win how screwed up is that. As for my age I am most likely a lot older than you and have been around the block first as a Marine then as a plant manager in business and finely as a law enforcement officer now retired. So you have proven that your judgement is wrong again.

          • PBunyan

            The jab about your age was a cheap shot, and meant in jest.  I do think President Bush made mistakes and did things I disagree with, as do all Republicans.  Still they are way, way better than the Democrats.   At least the Republicans are destroying the country very slowly, unlike Obama and the Dems. who want it destroyed now so they can “fundamentally transform” it into a Marxist dictatorship.

            For the record I am a Libertarian, not a Republican.

            Anyway, you’ve again reinforced a lesson I’ve learned so many times in the past on blogs like this.  I’ve simply got to stop casting my pearls before swine, or put it another way: you can lead a leftist to the truth, but you can’t make him think.

          • Joe

            I find your background and political to be at complete odds.  Since your political views are and display here for all to see you must be less than honest about your background  

      • I would like to add that I am not your liberal friend. I am or was a republican till I watched what was going on and I can not support those that lie constantly. Having served 9 years in the USMC I am not and will never be a bleeding heart liberal but I will also never be a certified wingnut as some of you seem to be. You do not seem to see the truth when it hits you in the face. I could give a damn about which party does what. I serve my country and right now the Republicans are not working in the best interest of this country. You can spin it anyway you like but the truth is there for all to see (unless they are wearing blinders) so save the ignorant comments for your Republican friends and the arm chair protectors of this country that do nothing but sit on their fat behinds telling those that serve how liberal they are. Jessy Ventura has a name for them chicken hawks.

        • Anonymous

          I’m impressed.

          Never thought the chickenhawk slur could be used on a topic about Obama and the economy.

        • Since when does “moby” begin with a D and end with a CH?

          • Since it got clever (in its own estimation, at any rate).

          • Anonymous

            “I could give a damn about which party does what” that’s rich!  All the while blaming republicans and conservatives for everything and even using the famous liberal insult “chickenhawk” You’ll forgive me if I don’t really believe you’re any kind of republican/conservative only interested in the well being of the country.

    • PBunyan

      BTW, you misspelled your name.  There’s supposed to be a “u” before the “c” and an “e” at the end.

    • Anonymous

      Humm interesting here I thought Obama was president and GWB was not but I guess I was wrong. When exactly do the problems facing the country become Obama’s? Wasn’t it Obama that wasted $700B on a stimulas that didn’t stimulate anything, didn’t he and his friends pass a health care bill that no one seems to want and is depressing employment? Didn’t Obama expand our entanglements in the middle east by going after Libia? Didn’t Obama pour money down the back hole known as GM and Chrysler? Og nevermind it was all GWB ‘s fault.

    • Pelosi and Reid (along with Senator Obama) controlled the Congress (the 110th) which bailed out Wall Street.

      The “Predatory Lending” was the brainchild and pet project of Barney Frank.

      [P]resident 0bama has not fulfilled any of his campaign promises concerning how he would conduct and wind down the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and has embroiled us in a third war (with a fourth, in Sudan still officially denied) without Congressional approval.

      [P]resident 0bama has, in less than three years, tripled the national debt.

      [P]resident 0bama submitted a budget so out of control on spending that it could not claim a single “Aye” vote in the Democratic controlled Senate of the 112th Congress.

      [P]resident 0bama and the Democratic Senate have failed to produce a Budget for more than two years running (the House has approved several proposals which the Senate either voted down or tabled without presenting any alternatives).

      This fiscal crises has jackass prints all over it.  It’s a wholly owned debacle of the Democratic Party.

  • Someone help me here…

    How many times did Senator Barrack Obama vote to increase the debt limit during his term in the Senate?

    • Anonymous

      If I recall correctly, Rodney, he voted against raising the debt ceiling once and voted present 2 other times.

      As to the budget….not sure.

  • Anonymous

    Hey douche’  don’t forget to doch!

  • The Democrats took control of the U.S. House of Representatives and Senate in January 2007. At that point:
    Unemployment = 4.6%
    National Debt = $8.5T
    Annual Deficit = $247 B
    Gasoline = $2.18/Gal
    Real GDP = 3.2%

    Since January 2007, the Democrats added the White House and had a filibuster proof majority in the Senate for approximately a year.  Meaning that the Democrats had complete control of the every aspect of Executive and Legislative branches of the U.S Government.  The Republicans gained control of the House of Representatives 7 months ago.

    Today after 5 years of Democratic control of Government
    Unemployment = 9.2%  (doubled since Jan 2007)
    National Debt = $14.5 T (71% increase since Jan 2007)
    Annual Deficit = $1600 B (547% increase since 2006)
    Gasoline = $3.57/gal (64% increase since Jan 2007)
    Real GDP = 1.9% (41% decrease since Jan 2007)

    The Democrats like to blame Bush for the economy, but the fact is that the economy tanked AFTER the Democrats took control of the Congress.  How are they blameless?  The National Debt has skyrocketed and grown by 71% with ever increasing record deficits every year for the last 5 years.  How is THAT the fault of the Republicans, who were out of power and not the fault of the Democrats who were in power?

    • Ayup.

      It’s been the POR (Pelosi, Obama, Reid) economy since the 110th Congress in January of 2007.

      By their fruits, ye shall know them.

    • jb

      Oh, ok. Cool.

      If we’re going to play by the rules of “if it happened when your party was in control of the Senate and Congress, your party is 100% to blame for it, never mind previously existing policies or conditions”, then the GOP Congress and Senate of 2000 are 100% responsible for the 2000 crash, right?

      Or is there suddenly more nuance, now that your favorite party might be on the hook?

      Isn’t that interesting.

      • Tell you what, I’ll agree to let the Republicans take all of the blame for the 2000 Recession if you’ll agree to let the Democrats take all of the blame for the 2008 Recession.

        Because, let’s see, a Republican House, Senate and White House was able to get the country out of that recession, even with 9/11 thrown in, within 3 years.  It’s been 3 years since the 2008 recession with a Democratic House, Senate and White House, but I’m not seeing much recovery in most respects it has gotten worse.

        Either way jb, you missed my point.  The Democrats place ALL of the blame for the 2008 Recession on George Bush, even though they controlled the Legislative Branch when it occurred.  How are they blameless, but Bush isn’t?  The Democrats blamed the Republicans for everything since then, even when the Republicans were powerless to stop the Democrats from doing anything. 

        Since Congress is wholly responsible for Federal spending, and the Democrats were wholly in charge of Congress from 2007 to 2011, then even you have to admit that the debt crisis we have right now is the responsibility of the Democrats.  They are responsible for nearly $6 trillion of added debt in 5 years.  Do you remember what the Democrats said about the Bush Tax Cuts in 2001?  The tax cuts were going to ruin the economy because they were going to add $1.35T over 10 years.  Do you see the irony?

        We had a recession in 2000, Republican Congress cut taxes and we quickly got out of the recession.  We had a recession in 2008, Democratic Congress increases spending through the roof.  Years later, economy is still bad.