In Jesus Name? Not Hardly

OK, it’s been a while since I’ve written a “Wizbang’s resident agnostic explains Christianity” post, so I think I’m a bit overdue.

 

The Norwegian monster who slaughtered nearly a hundred people is being labeled a “Christian right-wing terrorist,” based largely on his 1500-page manifesto and various other statements he made before and after his rampage. He states he’s a Christian, and was acting in defense of Christianity. So it’s a slam dunk, right?

 

Not hardly.

 

When the nutjob (I’m sticking to my long-standing policy of not naming monsters who commit their heinous deeds for publicity) talks about his actions and beliefs, he goes into detail about a great many of them. For example:

Anti-Islam: He’s deeply concerned about the rising numbers and activities of Muslims in Europe. And he doesn’t differentiate much between Muslims and Islamists — the former being the average rank and file Muslim that doesn’t really want trouble, and the fanatics.

 

Nationalist: He’s a fiercely proud Norwegian, and believes his native land is being invaded and subverted by Muslims.

 

Westerner: He extends his nationalism to encompass all of Europe and Western civilization, declaring that it is not just Norway, but the entire Western world that is under assault by the Muslims.

 

Zionist: He sees Israel and the Jews as natural allies, as they’ve been at the forefront of Islamic aggression for decades. Further, he sees Israel as a natural part of the Western world.

 

Plagiarism: Large portions of his manifesto were lifted and adapted — uncredited, of course — from the manifesto of the Unabomber, the infamous far-left eco-terrorist.

 

What’s missing from his rantings? Any indicator that he held very devout Christian beliefs.

 

Look at your average Islamist whackjob. They’re all too eager to talk about how they love Allah, that they’re carrying out Allah’s will, and can spout off countless verses that justify what they do and have done. Verses from the Koran, hadiths, and the words of various influential Islamic leaders all lend themselves to support whatever atrocities they commit. For example, the Muslim who killed two Army soldiers in Little Rock made it clear he was acting in the name of Islam. So did the Fort Hood shooter, the Times Square would-be bomber, the DC snipers, the underwear bomber, the shoe bomber, and countless others.

 

On the other hand, the Norwegian killer didn’t quote the Bible. He didn’t talk about how God or Jesus led him to carry out his deeds. No, to him “Christianity” is simply one aspect of Western culture and society that he feels to defend. It’s not the core of his belief system; it’s simply a way of emphasizing the un-Islamic nature of the West.

 

Likewise, I’m not too thrilled with the guilt by association game that’s going on. This monster talked about various “right-wing” bloggers, groups, and organizations (“right-wing” tends to lose a lot of coherence when applied to domestic politics, to most Americans, but it kinda fits here) that he liked, admired, and agreed with. This is leading to a lot of people trying to put some of the blame on those people.

 

Ridiculous. So what if he liked them? That’s hardly their responsibility. Now, I’d be more concerned if there was proof that those folks had supported him. Or even acknowledged him. There’s no sign they even knew he existed, let alone lent him aid and comfort in preparing for his deeds. And they certainly never said anything like “you know what would really strike a blow against the Muslim conquest of Europe? If some non-Muslim were to blow up the non-Muslim prime minister of Norway, then shoot almost a hundred non-Muslim kids! That’ll show them!”

 

Now, fanatics aren’t known for their logic, and religious ones especially. But the only way this might have advanced this nutjob’s agenda was if he’d concealed his identity and somehow managed to blame Muslims for the attack. And that certainly would have been plausible — as soon as the news broke, several radical Islamist groups first claimed responsibility, then backed down and simply praised it. And it was certainly in line with a lot of other Islamist attacks of recent history. While the main parallel was the Oklahoma City bombing, it was also reminiscent of the African Embassy bombings, the Khobar Towers bombing, and several other attacks. And the targeting of children reminded me of the Beslan school massacre.

 

But no, he let himself be captured, because he wanted the attention. And that there is the key.

 

This guy didn’t do this to advance any kind of cause, but himself. He wants the glory and the attention.

 

Which is why I won’t name him.

 

And why any attempt to blame any group, or ideology, or religion for his deeds is pointless. His primary motive was glory. He was most interested in promoting himself. And I won’t help him do that.

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Posted by on July 27, 2011.
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  • Anonymous

    You are correct.  Of course this is part of the new balanced reasonableness among right-wing commentators.  In this balanced reasonableness, Breivik (I will mention his name of infamy) was not the product of Pam Geller or other nutballs foaming at the mouth influencing him, he was just crazy.  But this balanced reasonable perspective does not come into play if the killer is a Muslim.  In a case like that (Maj. Hasan) the reason is not mental illness or “glory and attention,” it’s all about Islam.

    So Jay Tea, a little more than a month ago, was defending Herman Cain’s pledge to bar all Muslims from government appointments because of the example of Maj. Hasan.  http://wizbangblog.com/content/2011/06/14/raising-cain.php

    As I said, this balanced reasonableness is a new thing.

    • Jeff Blogworthy

      I have used the term “nutjob” referring to this guy in a generic sense, but I do not believe he is literally insane. He is informed by some ideologies that directed his actions. The whole story will eventually come out. To dismiss him as insane is to diminish responsibility for his actions. I don’t buy it, and I’m very tired of the absolution granted to people by a casual wave of the hand and a pronouncement of insanity. The man deserves to be pronounced guilty in the fullest sense of the word, condemned as evil in the fullest sense, and then executed. That’s justice. Understanding someone like this takes hard work and time.

      The guy is no Christian. He may want to “use” Christianity in the same way that Hitler used it, or inquisitors used it, or proponents of “social justice” use it to enslave men today. Using Christianity does not make you a Christian.

      • Anonymous

        The public question is not so much whether he was insane or not, as why do all Muslims bear collective responsibility for the actions of any one Muslim, while the right-wing anti-Muslim rabble rousers who directly influenced Breivik could never be assigned responsibility for Breivik?  

        Breivik and Maj. Hasan are mirror images of each other.

        I think that Maj Hasan was both mentally ill (like a lot of psychiatrists who take that specialty up in order to battle their own demons) and influenced by jihadist ideology.  That does not mean that all Muslims are responsible or suspect, as Jay Tea has said in the past.  Similarly, Breivik was probably mentally ill and influenced by right-wing extemist anti-Muslim ideas.

        • Jeff Blogworthy

          “The public question is not so much whether he was insane or not, as why do all Muslims bear collective responsibility for the actions of any one Muslim, while the right-wing anti-Muslim rabble rousers who directly influenced Breivik could never be assigned responsibility for Breivik?”

          Unsurprisingly, your statement is completely inaccurate. But I can fix it.

          “The public question is not so much whether he was insane or not, as why do all Muslims bear collective responsibility for the actions of [thousands of] Muslim[s], while the right-wing anti-Muslim rabble rousers who directly influenced Breivik could never be assigned responsibility for Breivik?”

          Moreover, the “right-wing” has no problem whatsoever condemning and distancing itself from this man in the strongest possible terms. Unlike many in the Muslim community, who refuse to condemn or distance themselves from the radical element. In fact many quietly approve, as various surveys have shown.

        • Anonymous

          Maybe the a few big differences are:

          1.)  Christians denounce the actions of this lunatic and declare that his actions are not that of a Christian, while Muslims don’t denounce the actions of Islamic terrorist and thereby passive support what they do.

          2.)  This lunatic’s action are completely in opposition to Christianity and Biblical teachings, while killing infidels is in line with Islamic teaching.

          • Anonymous

            Not according to Breivik – he said the killing was completely in line with Christian teaching, and quoted the Bible to support his view.

          • http://2011.ak4mc.us/ McGehee

            Right. And we should all take the word of a mass murderer about what Christianity means, rather than, say, the overwhelming majority of Christians — who condemn mass murder.

          • Anonymous

            Funny, I’ve had Muslims tell me the same thing – that Bin Laden was “not a Muslim,” and that the overwhelming majority of Muslims condemn mass murder.

          • http://2011.ak4mc.us/ McGehee

            Except the imams in their mosques, who promote it and celebrate it.

          • http://2011.ak4mc.us/ McGehee

            …but I suppose that has as much impact as the 20 years worth of “God damn America” sermons Obama sat through in Jeremiah Wright’s “church.”

          • http://profiles.google.com/angeljibreel Angel Jibreel

            Uhhh, no. Why don’t you look at some actual figures.

            This will help: http://www.wikiislam.net/wiki/Muslim_Statistics#Jihad

            “49.9% of Arab Muslims Support Osama Bin Laden” – September, 2006 in an Al-Jazeera Arabic poll involving 41260 participants

            “Do you believe that a non-violent Islam is an impractical, outdated theory? Sixty-five percent of the respondents said Yes, only 35% said No.” -  
            September, 2010, Al-Jazeera Arabic poll
             

            There goes your BS….

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XTKWK2BFBC62TXG5TERJUBFTRI Dan

            Anyone who
            compare crime committed by people who happen to be nominal members of other
            religions to religious terror committed explicitly in the name of Islam are
            comparing apples to oranges.No other religion
            produces the killing sprees that
            Islam does nearly every day of the year.  Neither do they have
            verses in their holy texts that arguably
            support it.  Nor do they have large groups across the globe
            dedicated to the mass murder of people
            who worship a different god, as the broader community of believers struggles
            with ambivalence and tolerance for a radical clergy that supports the terror.

          • http://profiles.google.com/angeljibreel Angel Jibreel

            “Not according to Breivik – he said the killing was completely in line with Christian teaching, and quoted the Bible to support his view.”

            It hardly matters what Breivik thinks, when you consider:

            “Breivik’s definition of what makes a person “100% Christian” is a very novel one to say the least, so even this comparison would be faulty. The most basic requirement which defines a Christian is someone who believes Jesus is the Christ and accepts him as their “Lord and Savior”. This is universal accepted by every denomination of Christianity, but not by Breivik.[24] In his 1,500 page manifesto, “2083: A European Declaration of Independence”, Breivik refers to people who are culturally Christian but have no belief in Christ, as “Christian atheists”, and goes on to describe himself as a “cultural Christian”. Thus his motivations were not religious but cultural.[25][26] If an Arab Nationalist accepts Islam as a unifying symbol for the Arab states but does not accept Muhammad as a prophet, then he, by the very definition of the word, is not a Muslim and any negative actions by him cannot in anyway be attributed to Islam. The same applies to Breivik. It could be argued that beliefs do not matter and that self-identification is enough, but then that would by akin to arguing that “The God Delusion” is pro-Christian literature, because even Professor Dawkins has referred to himself as a “cultural Christian”.[27] Furthermore, no one is arguing that there are no Christian terrorists. Every ideology known to man has had its fair share of extremists, but in the case of Islamic terrorism, it is the frequency in which they occur that is most striking and no amount of logical fallacies aimed at other faiths can disguise this fact.”

            http://www.wikiislam.net/wiki/Murder_Has_A_Religion

    • Anonymous

      Chico, Breivik may have tried to use the Bible to justify what he did, but the Bible does not justify what he did.  His sloppy understanding of the Bible is evidence that he hasn’t studied it. Christians tend to study the Bible.

  • Jeff Blogworthy

    The more that comes to light about this guy, the weirder it gets. This will take awhile.

    Breivik is something different, as evidenced by his videos, his postings on document.no
    and his 1,500-page book 2083 – A European Declaration of Independence
    which, interestingly enough, was first made publicly available on the
    Internet by Kevin Slaughter, an ordained minister in Anton LaVey (1930-1997)’s Church of Satan which, by the way, has a sizeable following in Norway.

    http://www.energypublisher.com/article.asp?id=57706

  • http://2011.ak4mc.us/ McGehee

    The “other shoe” is dangling by a frayed shoelace.

    When it drops, the troll-infested peanut gallery will be every bit as silent as it was on this post.

  • Anonymous

    Yes, all of us conservative right-wing Christians have a deep seeded need and desire to go and slaughter all the people we do not know or care to know. We are kind of muslum in our delirium.

    That’s why I have joined the new local Norwegian kkk skinheaded purple people haters union after I heard of this..

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/EU5DQWQTTHTPO4A4ZYSL3AAV2U Adjoran

    What church did this guy attend?

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/EU5DQWQTTHTPO4A4ZYSL3AAV2U Adjoran

    What church did this guy attend?

  • S Kuhn

    Verum Serum (I’m sorry, I don’t know how to link) had a very good post deconstructing the nutjob’s manifesto with regard to the label “Christian”.  He clearly distinguishes secular/cultural Christians, who have no faith in Christ, only follow a moral code based on Christian principles, from religious Christians who have more of a personal relationship with Christ.  He also clearly says he is of the former, not the latter.  He sees the basic “Christian-based” society of northern Europe being taken over by the Islamists.  It’s a good post, and I’ve been surprised that not very many commenters in the media (even conservatives) have done the research and made this distinction.  I listed to Bill O’Reilly make a complete ass of himself last night in an interview with Sally Quin because he hadn’t done his homework. 

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  • Anonymous

    This delusional wacko was more of a mason , a member of the Knithts Templar, than anything. He even made  pilgrimmage to Malta. He was the reverse of the finactical jidahists that want to rid the middle east of non-muslims. Brevik wanted to start a new crusade to rid  Europe of muslims. Juan Cole has written  a good post on this, and O´Reilley, who makes some of the same points as Jay, and also said on the View that it was “the Muslims killed us on 9/11″.

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