What’s Norwegian for “Dear John?”

Sometimes being a navy geek can have its drawbacks. When I first heard the Norwegian psychopath being compared to “John Brown,” my first thought was “what does one of Britain’s most renowned ship builders have to do with that nutjob?” Then once I recovered from my facepalm, I refreshed my memory of the militant abolitionist of the same name.

 

“Militant” is probably the most precise term. Brown engaged in many sessions of open combat over the issue of slavery, personally killed several pro-slavery people, was responsible for the death of many others, and saw a lot of his allies and followers killed in his fights. His final action involved leading a squad (his plan was for 4,500 armed men; he ended up leading 21) to take over a federal armory in Virginia and distribute the weapons to renegade slaves. He’d then march through Virginia, recruiting slaves into his forces and arming them. He’d never seek an open confrontation, but would be prepared to fight back if he was confronted. He believed that so many slaves would flock to his march that the institution would simply crumble.

 

Obviously, it didn’t work. The armory was assaulted, several of his followers were killed, and he was captured. He was put on trial for, among things, “treason against the state of Virginia,” and hanged.

 

Brown was — and is — a polarizing figure, to put it mildly. He was hailed as a hero and a martyr to many in the north, while Abraham Lincoln called him “insane.”

 

I don’t think it’s a strong parallel, but I do see some of the points. The Norwegian monster, like Brown, portrayed himself as the champion of a noble cause. He was willing and ready to use violence to push his agenda. And a lot of people who shared his cause were made exceptionally uncomfortable — if not downright outraged — at his tactics.

 

One major difference, though, is that Brown was considerably more selective in who he killed or helped kill. A lot of them occurred in ways that clearly qualified as self-defense, and the only non-anti-abolitionists (damn, that’s an awkward construction) who died were by accident.

 

Breivik’s victims, though, were very carefully selected — and had at best a tangential relationship to his cause. He targeted the ruling party of his nation, both its present and future leaders. The “youth camp” wasn’t what we consider one, especially during summers, but essentially a leadership retreat for the (mostly adult) children and other young leaders of the established party. In other words, not so much Camp Kookamunga and more College Democrats outing.

 

Which makes it slightly less random, while still reprehensible. He was incensed at what he (and a lot of others) see as the Islamification of Europe, and blamed the Norwegian Labor Party for aiding and abetting them. The reasoning of how his attacks would promote his cause is insane troll logic, and I can’t force my brain into the necessary convolutions to work out how he expected to get to Stage 3 from his Stage 1.

 

There is one very significant parallel between Breivik and Brown, however. Both men and their actions were used by their enemies to demonize the side the terrorist supported, while those that the terrorist had praised and claimed as allies found themselves struggling to maintain their positions while distancing themselves from the madman’s deeds.

 

And make no mistake — Breivik’s concerns are valid. The Islamization of Europe is a real thing. There are whole neighborhoods in Western Europe that are de facto Islamist states. For example, portions of Great Britain and France fit into this category, and Norway has its own particular problem with its Muslim immigrants. Further, Denmark is still paying the “price” for allowing one of its newspapers to publish cartoons of Mohammed.

 

What Breivik did was monstrous. He should pay the ultimate price for his crimes. Sadly, it looks like that under Norway’s liberal, enlightened, and moral legal system, he’ll face at most 21 years in prison.
But for his crimes to be allowed to cudgel even discussing the issues that he wanted to raise would compound the tragedy of his acts.

Holy Crap!
Know Your Audience
  • Anonymous

    So . ..  I’m trying to figure out what you’re saying.   “Breivik’s concerns are valid,” but John Brown was “insane.”

    • Anonymous

      You’re missing the part where it was Lincoln who called Brown insane. I don’t believe Lincoln has issued an opinion of Brievik as of yet.

      And yeah, I think he’s nuts. Not legally, as I want him held responsible for his deeds, but the guy is seriously nuts. I thought I made it clear, but apparently I didn’t take Chico’s particular strain and degree of stupid into account.

      Nor will I start doing so.

      J.

      • Anonymous

        Jay, you’re just f’in incoherent.  Every piece is a logorrea of nonsense, except you’re trying to spout some talking points. 

        Example:

        One major difference, though, is that Brown was considerably more selective in who he killed or helped kill.

        Breivik’s victims, though, were very carefully selected . . .

         

        • Anonymous

          Oh come on, he just needed to edit the awkward sentence (likely butchered by a careless cut and paste), which is fairly easy to do:

          original:
          Breivik’s victims, though, were very carefully selected — and had at best a tangential relationship to his cause. 
          fixed (I can’t imagine JT meant anything other than this):
          Breivik’s victims, though very carefully selected, had at best a tangential relationship to his cause.

          • Anonymous

            Thanks, Doc. The gist of it was that there was a very tangential link between Breivik’s cause and his chosen victims, so it was slightly above random — but the link was such that it would only hurt his cause, not help it in the least. My point was that the choosing wasn’t random, but utterly unproductive.

            J.

        • Jeff Blogworthy

          In other news, “one of your own” (Nasser Abder – Muslim and sexual deviant) almost pulled off another attack on Fort Hood today. Thank God he was stopped.

    • Anonymous

      Here, since you love being intentionally obtuse, is the Chico Digest Condensed Version:

      Both men nuts and evil.
      Some of the ideas and concerns these men had/have weren’t nuts.
      Using their evil and nutty natures to bludgeon the ideas and concerns they shared that weren’t nuts is nuts and evil.

      Now I know that’s just too complicated for you, but give it a try, okay?

  • Anonymous

    I find it impossible to apply the term “moral” to a nation
    that would sentence a man to only 21 years in prison after he has methodically
    murdered over 100 people in only a few hours. We may not wish to apply the word
    insane to this son of a bitch, but it certainly ought to be applied to Norway
    if that is what they have created in the name of justice. I am flummoxed trying
    to wrap my head around the concept.

     

    If this is true, we can only hope that the forest and hills
    around the prison will be saturated with snipers upon his release because that.
    . . . . . .thing, should not make it to the parking lot from his cell.

     

    I feel sick having been informed of the possibility of such “insanity”.

  • That military arsenal was at Harper’s Ferry. Not too far from Washington DC. It was a squad of Marines that captured him before he could get into the arsenal.

  • Anonymous

    I think many Norwegians must be saying if  Breivik is an  cultural example  and a throw back to  living in a white, authoritarian,  supremacy society might have been like,   living in  a  muti-cultural society suddenly  became a whole lot more attractive.

  • Anonymous

    “One major difference, though, is that Brown was considerably more
    selective in who he killed or helped kill. A lot of them occurred in
    ways that clearly qualified as self-defense, and the only
    non-anti-abolitionists (damn, that’s an awkward construction) who died
    were by accident.”

    Excuse me, but IIRC, one of the first killed at Harper’s Ferry was a slave who refused to join Henry’s “army”.  I wouldn’t call that an “accident”.  A Colonel by the name of Robert E. Lee led a company of Marines to retake the armory.

    • Anonymous

      Er… I should have said “targeted.” By my very hasty research, the guy killed at Harper’s Ferry was a freed slave working on an approaching train that Brown’s guys shot at. They didn’t shoot at him because he was a black guy, but because he was on the train that interrupted their plan.

      Thanks, Garand.

      J.

  • Anonymous

    Breivek is one of Jays own? 

     If he was as malevolent as you make him out,  you would have been on the short list long ago coolaidic clown.

  • The following should be printed and distributed to those Infidels who don’t yet quite get it.
    Multiculturalists and Moral Relativists believe that no cultures, societies, or religions are morally better or morally worse than others. They are wrong.
    They say “Who are we to judge?”If we cannot judge, how do we know good from evil, right from wrong?
    If we cannot demonize demons, who can we demonize?If we cannot demonize demonic belief systems, what can we demonize?
    1. Which of the acts below would demons and Satan approve of?Satan and demons would approve of all evil acts below.
    Rape, Child Rape (pre-pubescent), Child Marriage, Child Divorce, Sex Slaves, Slaves, Amputation, Crucifixion, Beheading, Theft, Robbery, Extortion (jizya), Lying (Taqiyaa), Omitting Truth (Kitman), Kidnapping, Ransom, Murder, etc.
    2. Which of the acts above would a loving, compassionate, caring God approve of? God would approve of none of the evil acts above.
    All of the above acts, criminal and abhorrent by Western Legal Standards, are allowed/condoned/required under Islamic Shariah Law by Muslims.
    Why would any healthy person try to assimilate terminal cancer?Why would any civilized society try to assimilate evil, i.e., Islam?
    Many things are black and white.Good is not evil and right is not wrong.Truth is not “hate speech.”
    From the Qur’an – 8:39 “So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world).”Because We Live in the 21st Century Doesn’t Mean That Others Don’t Live in the 7th Century  Soon the whole world will be muslim. Superb. Children will be raped legally because mohammad did it. Too good .And murder will be sanctioned because mohammad did it. Super cool.Women will lose their faces and their identities and all dignity. Fantastic. What a glorious age it will be. Smelly beards and semen stains on clothes will be high fashion. So good.Islam is glorious. Islam is the one . What a planet it will be. Allah o akbar allah o akbar….allah o akbar…. Islam is on the march….allah o akbar….  When the whole world turns muslim and the real muslim age will start that will be the final passing of our lovely age that we had always thought that it would last forever and we’d live on mars and have fancy toys and all would be happy and lovely ….but we hadn’t the guts to stop islam and then every one had to turn muslim OR DIE and hell started and suddenly we were and will always be in the seventh century barbariaty and before we know it we AND OUR CHILDREN were the imposed dynosaurs thanks to islam …. The days of logic had long passed … Passed ….passed…And what the brits and the yanks and all all all non-muslims don’t understand is that the islam juggernaut is going to show the world just how it’s going to happen to everyone else…as the british scream and shout at islam to behave islam is just not listening …as islam boot-crushes the UK first and turns it’s head and attention to the next nearby victim…the rest of the planet will feel fear and fear only…then it’s just a matter of time…. The full world will be muslim.   Welcome to the glorious age of islam…our sweet and dear great grand children will be in it as muslims.The teenager of tomorrow is named Mohammed, and he takes his inspiration not from the constitutional laws, but the vile Koran. His heroes are not MAHATMA GANDHI or Winston Churchill or George Washington, but that bloody butcher of men and raper of women and little girls, the Islamic self proclaimed prophet Mohammed. He thinks of non-muslim girls as whores, of non-muslim culture as corrupt and worthless, and feels he owes no obedience to its laws or its governments. The word ‘Islamophobia’ makes him chuckle. He likes the idea that the natives are afraid of him. “They should be,” he thinks. They should be indeed. Because evil is rising ….thru him …..watch….

  •  From the Qur’an – 8:39 “So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world).”
    Because We Live in the 21st Century Doesn’t Mean That Others Don’t Live in the 7th Century
     
     
    Soon the whole world will be muslim. Superb.
    Children will be raped legally because mohammad did it. Too good .
    And murder will be sanctioned because mohammad did it. Super cool.
    Women will lose their faces and their identities and all dignity. Fantastic.
    What a glorious age it will be.
    Smelly beards and semen stains on clothes will be high fashion. So good.
    Islam is glorious. Islam is the one . What a planet it will be. Allah o akbar allah o akbar….allah o akbar…. Islam is on the march….allah o akbar….
     
     
    When the whole world turns muslim and the real muslim age will start that will be the final passing of our lovely age that we had always thought that it would last forever and we’d live on mars and have fancy toys and all would be happy and lovely ….but we hadn’t the guts to stop islam and then every one had to turn muslim OR DIE and hell started and suddenly we were and will always be in the seventh century barbariaty and before we know it we AND OUR CHILDREN were the imposed dynosaurs thanks to islam …. The days of logic had long passed … Passed ….passed…And what the brits and the yanks and all all all non-muslims don’t understand is that the islam juggernaut is going to show the world just how it’s going to happen to everyone else…as the british scream and shout at islam to behave islam is just not listening …as islam boot-crushes the UK first and turns it’s head and attention to the next nearby victim…the rest of the planet will feel fear and fear only…then it’s just a matter of time…. The full world will be muslim.
     
      Welcome to the glorious age of islam…our sweet and dear great grand children will be in it as muslims.The teenager of tomorrow is named Mohammed, and he takes his inspiration not from the constitutional laws, but the vile Koran. His heroes are not MAHATMA GANDHI or Winston Churchill or George Washington, but that bloody butcher of men and raper of women and little girls, the Islamic self proclaimed prophet Mohammed. He thinks of non-muslim girls as whores, of non-muslim culture as corrupt and worthless, and feels he owes no obedience to its laws or its governments. The word ‘Islamophobia’ makes him chuckle. He likes the idea that the natives are afraid of him. “They should be,” he thinks. They should be indeed. Because ISLAM IS EVIL AND EVIL IS RISING.. ….thru him …..watch….