Occupy Wall Street – Now we know what they want

David Marris has a post at Forbes where he describes his not-very-scientific-but-interesting-nonetheless survey of 50 of the 1000 protesters at the Occupy Wall Street protest. He was responding to the frequent criticism that they seem aimless and without goals.

There has been a lot said about the lack of vision, lack of specific demands, and a disparity of beliefs and goals among the Occupy Wall Street protesters in the media in the past several weeks. A survey of the protestors shows that none of these criticisms are true.

In an effort to find out what, if any, unifying ideas the Occupy Wall Street participants have, I conducted a survey of protesters to see what they believe and what they want from the protest – something that perhaps has not yet been done by either the mainstream media reporting on the protesters or even the Occupy Wall Street organizers themselves.

We have already seen some of their demands, but lately the leaders of the protest have been walking back from specific proposals.

Admin note: This is not an official list of demands. This is a forum post submitted by a single user and hyped by irresponsible news/commentary agencies like Fox News and Mises.org. This content was not published by the OccupyWallSt.org collective, nor was it ever proposed or agreed to on a consensus basis with the NYC General Assembly. There is NO official list of demands.

This is no doubt because when they say what they really want, it becomes obvious that they are fools. “It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one’s mouth and remove all doubt.” And so they are more quiet than before about the specifics of the protest. Mr. Marris asked them what they wanted in person.

Here is what our survey of the Occupy Wall Street protesters found:

  • 80% of those polled said that the rich should pay higher taxes and that it’s fair that approximately the top 10% of tax payers pay more than 70% of the taxes in the US and about 40% of employed people pay no income tax.
  • 93% say that student loan debt should be forgiven
  • 98% believe that health care should be free
  • 98% believe that Insurance companies make too much money and some of their profits should be taken to pay for more healthcare for others
  • 95% believe that drug prices should be controlled
  • 93% believe that communications like cell phone and internet access be a right and not just reserved for the rich and we should have free internet and cell phone service as a national goal.
  • 84% said they think that if a bank decides to implement a $5 debit card fee, the government should not allow it, while 16% said let them do what they want – customers can move.
  • 70% of those responding see this ending in a dramatic fashion, like Greece.

Oh goody.

Do you see the pattern? They want free stuff paid for by other people. What a perfect example of the greed they complain so bitterly about.

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  • Guest

    Forbes? The epitomy of corporate-oriented media. Media outlets like Forbes that serve the coporate community can’t be trusted to report hoenstly on this.. the corporations are the focus.

    It’s like quoting Iran’s state controlled media when discussing Iran’ role in the mid-east.

    Charlies seems unable to find an un-biased media report to support his hate of liberals, so he quotes the corporate media instead. I’m not surprised. The right just can’t grasp what’s going on here – and that’s the good news. The wave will crash down on the corporate right before they even realize what the wave is…

    And the corporation mouthpieces – Romney, Perry and Cain, are going to suffer as well.

    • jim_m

      That’s right Bob, don’t actually respond to the content of the article go right in for attacking the person who wrote it.

      Have you bothered to go see that the actual source for my data in the inflation thread was not the stock company but the BLS?  Do you even bother reading anything beyond the first sentence before you formulate your ad hominem attacks?  Or are you content to be a dishonest douchebag?

      Never mind that the information contained in the Forbes article aligns very nicely with what the OWS morons posted online themselves:
      http://wizbangblog.com/2011/10/04/occupy-wall-street-idiots-if-you-want-us-to-go-away-just-destroy-the-country-and-stuff/
      http://wizbangblog.com/2011/10/04/good-god-theyre-dumber-than-i-thought/

      You’re too dishonest to bother acknowledging that the information contained in an article might actually deserve to be confronted directly.  You never post a comment that addresses content. 

      • Anonymous

        By replying you validate the commentor.

        By thanking him for taking some more time out from his Occupy protesting, for making such insightful comments, you are on a little safer ground though ignoring him completely would work better.

        • Guest

          I’ve proven jim to be a liar so man times he’s just utterly obsessed with me at this point.

          Can’t blame him, I really made him look like a jackass. He’s totally bent out of shape now.

          • jim_m

            No.  you’ve proven you cannot read. You’ve proven that you cannot make a post that actually discusses data or substantive points.  In short, you’ve proven you’re a loser.

            just like you couldn’t tell that the info I posted in the inflation thread was from the BLS. You went on a pointless and lying rant that it was from somewhere else. You never bothered to correct yourself. You just ignored the fact that I corroborated the data from other sources. just like you ignored the fact that other people claimed that you made an accusation of racism in hat thread. Your only response was to call me a liar.

          • Anonymous

            You have never proven anything ever on here.  STFU and go away, you stupid obnoxious mother fucker

          • retired.military

            Funny I saw no proof.  Just accusations of racism.
            BTW there is an african american in the photo.  By  your standards that means that who is against the protestors is racist.

          • Anonymous

            Thanks for another truly revealing comment.  Now remember to take a shower and brush your teeth before you go back to the demonstration.

          • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/EU5DQWQTTHTPO4A4ZYSL3AAV2U Adjoran

            You’ve never made jim m look like a jackass.

            You do, however, make Jay Tea look spineless daily.

          • Anonymous

            What Planet are you smoking?

      • Guest

        You’ve been outed as a liar enough times that I feel comfortable writing you off as just a know-nothing putz.

        “That’s right Bob, don’t actually respond to the content of the article go right in for attacking the person who wrote it.”

        Having a corporate owned and oriented media outlet report on the protest when Forbes and companies like that are the reason for the protests is the height of stupidity. Only the idiots will fall for it or bother to defen… oh, here we are again. Outing JimM as the moron he is… sorry.

        Let’s stay on topic…

        • jim_m

          OK. Bob, explain how the ownership situation of Forbes (or for that matter CBS, NBC, ABC or any other news organization), makes a material difference if we have other sources confirming the same information?

          You can’t.  Because you are a lying ideologue.  We’ve posted links demonstrating that the Forbes article reflects the thinking of the leftist mob.  Address that, ass.

          • retired.military

            Spongebob can only come back and fling poo.

            Olaf
            Olaf
            Olaf

          • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/EU5DQWQTTHTPO4A4ZYSL3AAV2U Adjoran

            Sorry, it seems Olaf is hiding in the closet, quivering in his fuzzy pink slippers.

            Maybe it’s the dirty hippy smell?

        • Oysteria

          No, YOU stay on topic.  YOU don’t get to pick the topic.  This is NOT your blog.  If YOU want to pick the topic, get your OWN blog.  The topic is NOT who did the reporting.  The topic is WHAT is being reported.

          And another thing, Mr. Hypocrite, if the source of information is the problem with you then next time the government’s actions are what’s in question, don’t direct us to a government site for your rebuttal. 

          Your hypocricy and stupidity know no bounds and you never fail to disappoint in that regard.

    • Prent Rodgers

      Are you saying that if it’s reported by a media source that is itself a “corporation”, it must be disregarded? How about MSNBC-GE? The Nation? Huffington Post? Those are corporations. Are you disputing the information or the source?

      • Guest

        MSNBC/GE is another example. I don’t trust their reporting on this issue either.

    • retired.military

      When the facts support your argument argue the facts.  When the facts dont support your message then attack the messenger.
      Exactly what did the author post that was untrue there Spongebob?
      Maybe you think he should use an unbiased source like the NY Times ?

    • Anonymous

      Is this your good side Bob and is that what you’re describing as a “The wave”?

      • Anonymous

        Yep, that’s his good side next to the blue stripe.

  • jim_m

    I think it is interesting to compare the Occupy crowd to the TEA Party. 

    The occupy crowd increasingly feel the need to control their message and to keep the people at the protest from speaking.  They are forming “messaging committees” to try to coordinate some coherent message.  They even have posted pleas on line to ask people not to post their lists of demands because those lists are making them look like “extremist nut jobs”.  http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2011/10/occupy-wall-street-website-stop-listing-demands-we-look-like-complete-imbecils/

    The Occupy crowd stands for getting free stuff from others through government coercion.  They want free education, forgiveness of their debts, free phone and internet, free money (whether they work or not), free healthcare.  They demand that banks and insurance companies go out of business (although they only acknowledge in their demands that insurance companies go out of business).  Contrast the TEA Party which is asking for reduced taxation and reduced government regulation so they can take responsibility for their own lives. 

    And if you recall how the TEA Party left the government mall after their protest (clean, with garbage piled in the proper receptacles) the Occupy mob does this: http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2011/10/yup-theyre-just-like-tea-partiers-leftist-pig-takes-crap-on-nyc-cop-car/

    You know, I bet that’s Bob in the picture.

    • Guest

      lol… Now you’re seeing me everywhere. I bet you dream about me, don’t you jimbo? Lol, I love living rent free in our head – it’s so spacious and empty.

      The Tea Party was named for a group if Americans who performed felonies as a part of their protest.

      But then only a patriot would recognize that the non-violent civil disobedience being perped by the Occupy folks is more in-line than having rich upper middle class white folks waving little American Flags and calling for Obama to produce his birth certificate and the like is about as revolutionary as toast..

      • jim_m

        You need to look at the videos of the Occupy mobs.  There are far fewer minorities in those crowds than at TEA Party events.  You might even explain why they were assaulting the minority security guards at the Smithsonian.

        You could also start by producing something to back up your claim that Birtherism was ever a significant part of any TEA Party event.  Otherwise you are a liar again.

        • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

          …yet again…

        • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

          …yet again…

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QOQP5G5K5EMGSNQ7QGKKO6YODU Ninety

    NinetyNinePercenter.ORGStand for saving our environment the EPA and protecting our economic rights. Close Tax loopholes for the One percent, and Corporations.No more illegal foreclosures, must have original signatures, original documents.Volcker Rule for trading restrictions on Banks.Political Campaigns Publicly Funded, equally funded with no private funding allowed.Payroll Taxes should not be cut or reduced, Payroll Taxes are the Taxes that fund Social Security.Chinese currency polices do matter for US manufacturing and fair trade.No zero interest loans to Banks form the Federal Reserve.Banks not to bid to fail. If Banks fail, Nationalized the Bank.Corporations unfair to Consumers should be boycotted and not given Pension Funds.Fund the Consumer Protection Agency.Commodity Futures Trading Commission should curb speculation, Derivatives Market.Collective Bargaining and Union “Rights” for Public and Private Employees.No more Coporate welfare, money grants or Agricultural Subsides to Agribusinesses.Cut or eliminate Foreign Aid and eliminate Foreign Wars.Stop Fraud and Abuse in Militaary spending, Medicare, Medicaid, Drug and Insurance Companies.Fund Jobs Program, Infrastructure, Research and Development.Specify Goals, gain support from members of Congress, bring the “protests to Washington.”

    • jim_m

      Paragraphs are not your enemy, learn to use them.  Posting unreadable tripe in an unreadable format is not helpful.

      As far as nationalizing banks that fail the answer is: No, let other banks absorb their assets.

      Corporations that are unfair to consumers do get boycotted and do less business than their competitors.  We don’t need government action to make that happen.  You cannot steal a company’s pension fund because you don’t like heir business practices.  Pension funds are owed to the workers.  I thought you occupy idiots were all about the workers.

      You can’t eliminate foreign aid because using money to influence foreign governments is often a lot more effective than having o send troops over there.

      Collective bargaining is not a right.  Period.  Public employees work for the public, which includes themselves.  If they don’t like their employers they can vote hem out of office.  Giving government employees collective bargaining rights gives them too much power over the people they bargain with so we end up with wasteful and corrupt practices.

      You can’t get rid of health insurance without government run healthcare.  Government run healthcare is universally substandard healthcare by US standards.  Healthcare quality is not based on how much you subsidize the care it is based on whether or not you can make people well again.  Medicare and Medicaid pay less than 50 cents on the dollar for healthcare.  They pay less than the actual cost.  Government declares cost “savings” by declaring they will just pay less and demand the same amount and quality of care.  This is false because what it does is shift the cost on to everyone else. 

      You need to learn to think of the logical extensions of your arguments. Often what we want has unexpected consequences. Making demands for things that often don’t work out the way you wanted is not a way to build credibility.

      • retired.military

        Dont bother replying to tripe like that.  They have no clue, dont want to have a clue and would just prefer to live off mommy and daddy and protest DA MAN.

      • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

        @jim_m723:disqus ,

        I skipped the whole comment as soon as I saw the spongebobracepants seal of approval.

      • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

        @jim_m723:disqus ,

        I skipped the whole comment as soon as I saw the spongebobracepants seal of approval.

    • Anonymous

      I’ve been wondering, if blogging, Twitter and You-Tube were around in 1968, whether the demonstrations before, during and after the Democratic National Convention Chicago and elsewhere might have been recorded a little differently, and our perception of the demonstrators then might more closely resemble what we see now with this sad collection of dysfunctional trash at the “Occupy” demonstrations. 

      • Anonymous

        Sadly, 99%’r, you are 99% BS and 1% Mare’s Piss.

      • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

        @DocEpador:disqus ,

        an excellent question which will be with us until the advent of the time machine.  I suspect your theorem is correct, btw.

      • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

        @DocEpador:disqus ,

        an excellent question which will be with us until the advent of the time machine.  I suspect your theorem is correct, btw.

  • http://www.facebook.com/Stan25 Stan Brewer

    This is not an official list of demands. This is a forum post submitted
    by a single user and hyped by irresponsible news/commentary agencies
    like Fox News and Mises.org. This content was not published by the
    OccupyWallSt.org collective, nor was it ever proposed or agreed to on a
    consensus basis with the NYC General Assembly. There is NO official list
    of demands.

    I guess places like the Communist New Network, PMSNBC, ABC, CBS, NPR and the Daily Kos, who also reported on the same demands aren’t in the same boat as Fox News and Rush Limbaugh.

    • jim_m

      “I guess places like the Communist New Network, PMSNBC, ABC, CBS, NPR
      and the Daily Kos, who also reported on the same demands aren’t in the
      same boat as Fox News and Rush Limbaugh.”

      That’s right.  Because nobody listens to them.

  • Anonymous

    I’m just going to say it, “This group will be co-opted by the Union’s – once that is done the message will be made known, and much like the Tea Party, that has crippled the Republican party - the co-opted or the ‘occupied’ will cripple the Democrat party”.  There’s a line in a Maroon 5 song, “….It’s not always rainbows and butterflies, It’s compromise that moves us along”… This group, the Tea Party and/or my elected officials – show no understanding about ‘compromise’ and will only be part of the problem, not the solution.

    So we all can play the blame game – we can hunt bogey men (or women) in the night – but at the end of the day, we still do not pass go, we do not collect $200 dollars.

  • Anonymous

    Proposed solutions to our nation’s problems:

    1. ABOLISH FRACTIONAL RESERVE BANKING
    This would include the institution known as the Federal Reserve. Our government must then create a congressional banking committee, whose members will be appointed and approved by all three branches of government every four years, that will print Debt-Free U.S. Banking Notes backed by our precious metals reserve and U.S. Credit. This will be owned entirely by the United States Government and it will be illegal for this institution to accept interest laden capital loans from any individual or entity, whether foreign or domestic. It will also be illegal for this institution to lend interest laden capital to any individual or entity, whether foreign or domestic. It will be illegal for any domestic entity or individual to lend interest laden capital to any individual or entity, whether foreign or domestic, and conversely, it will be illegal for any domestic entity or individual to accept interest laden capital from any individual or entity, whether foreign or domestic.

    2. END THE MILITARY CAMPAIGN IN IRAQ, AFGHANISTAN, AND LIBYA
    This does not mean setting a timetable for 2035. This means pulling all of our troops out of these countries today. This will include selling the Iraq embassy for upwards of 1.5 billion USD.

    3. ABOLISH GOVERNMENT DEFICITS
    It will be illegal for government spending to exceed government receipts. This means that the federal government as well as state governments cannot, under any circumstances, incur a deficit.

    4. ABOLISH CONFLICT OF INTEREST CAMPAIGN DONATIONS
    It will be illegal for any corporation, political action committee, lobby group, or any non-governmental organization, whether foreign or domestic, to provide capital of any kind to any politician or government employee. It will be illegal for any politician or government employee to own stock, in any business, of any kind, whether foreign or domestic. It will be illegal for any politician or government employee to accept capital from any foreign entity or individual. These terms will also apply to any individual campaigning for any kind of government office, whether state or federal.

    In short, political whores are not allowed in the United States of America. You are a servant not an oligarch.

    Yours,
    Daniel Gosser

    • Anonymous

      Paulinista

    • Guest

      Thanks for sharing, Daniel. Come back anytime!

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZ5BM5GNLA54OADSWGSXAMA7SY Jay

      ” ABOLISH FRACTIONAL RESERVE BANKING ”

      That might solve all the other problems.  However, I would also look into the alternatives that allow a lot of privacy as banking might change severely in the next few years.

      “ABOLISH CONFLICT OF INTEREST CAMPAIGN DONATIONS”

      I actually think this is the most important piece of the puzzle that people tend to ignore.  However, I believe this doesn’t get to the heart of the matter.  We have, in the US, a revolving door of politics.  The fundamental problem is with how we vote.  People can’t vote for who represents them.  Rather, they are gerrymandered or forced to vote in a two party system that is more interested in ‘safe’ votes than actual change.  If we had:

      1) an alternative vote system OR a mixed proportion voting system…
      2) Congressional and Judicial term limits…

      …I’m sure the other problems of government would actually clear up considerably.  If you also want to change the rules of lobbying, I believe the best thing would be to make it very difficult for the corrupt ones to compete in an election.  The more people competing for a spot in the Senate or Congress, the harder it is to lobby them.  And when they get there, they only have 1 or 2 terms to muck everything up and never return again.  It induces change on a basic level.  

      Just a few thoughts.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZ5BM5GNLA54OADSWGSXAMA7SY Jay

    How odd…  There’s nothing here in regards to who the “leaders” of this movement is, and yet Jim seems apt to say they are around, guiding people to protest.

    Also, the numbers don’t add up.  700 people were arrested in the Brooklyn Bridge incident a few days ago.  The protest has now spread to hundreds of cities with various general assemblies.  Are you saying that only 1000 people showed up in NY for this?  Or merely dismissing them as tourists?

    In regards to the survey of 50 people let’s break down the facts:

    “80% of those polled said that the rich should pay higher taxes and that it’s fair that approximately the top 10% of tax payers pay more than 70% of the taxes in the US and about 40% of employed people pay no income tax”

    I could be here all day in regards to the tax loopholes.  The fact is, the middle class pays a LOT more in taxes than the 1% which the protesters are railing against. 

    “93% say that student loan debt should be forgiven”

    Just a small assumption here.  I’m just assuming that most of the protesters are in their early 20s, or at the very least most of the ones interviewed based on this statistic.  Still, if you’re paying $100,000 in student bills, with little in the way of finding a job to pay it back, there’s a problem. 

    “98% believe that health care should be free
    98% believe that Insurance companies make too much money and some of their profits should be taken to pay for more healthcare for others”

     Just a small note, but health insurance as a for profit enterprise hasn’t been very effective.  Not that I agree about health care being free, but perhaps more incentives to keep costs down would work wonders to making it affordable. 

    “95% believe that drug prices should be controlled”

     That seems reasonable.  Given our patent system that has more emphasis on monopoly pricing for Big pharmaceutical companies, it makes sense that taking away their system of enforcing a price would work better if they compete in the free market.

    “93% believe that communications like cell phone and internet access be a right and not just reserved for the rich and we should have free internet and cell phone service as a national goal.”

    Here in the US, the FCC was pursuing that.  AT&T won’t let that happen because of their broadband caps.  Even the UN has declared internet a human right.  This is based on the fact that without the internet, it can be quite difficult to communicate or even function.  Most places only allow resumes to be submitted online.  You have to be connected in order to get up to date news. 

    The last two questions are merely subjective.

    “They want free stuff paid for by other people. What a perfect example of the greed they complain so bitterly about.”

    I find this highly misleading to the argument.  What the information seems to me, is that these people want their fair share to earn wealth or at the very least a decent living.  They want the chance to redress a government that is not theirs and doesn’t seem to hold their interests while being elected officials.

    Is it greed that they are paying high loans for college with little chance to repay those loans? Is it greed to not understand the frustrations of those in separate countries as OWS increases?  I doubt many are looking for a handout.  It seems that they are instead looking for ways to earn a living through a bad economy.

    • jim_m

      I’ll try to find the link to the video of the hippy telling the reporter that he was from the “Messaging Committee” and that they were still trying to figure out what they were protesting.

      Otherwise a quick search will deliver pages of links connecting various labor unions to the movement, some suggesting that the unions were ultimately the origin of the movement.

      You say that people “just want their fair share”.  Frankly, Jay, they can go out and earn it like the rest of us.  We aren’t asking for a hand out.  When Occupy protesters demand a living wage “regardless of whether or not the work”, they are asking to be freeloaders plain and simple.

      I’ll agree with you that education costs are way out of whack, but loan forgiveness is not the answer.  Reducing the costs is.  There is a very good argument that government loan guarantees have lead to the rapid rise in college tuition costs.  Universities now spend more money on administration than they do on teachers.  That’s wrong.  But then so is forgiving debt the way you demand it.  Forgiving debt will ultimately put the expense back on everyone else.   Debt forgiveness is just another way of freeloading.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZ5BM5GNLA54OADSWGSXAMA7SY Jay

        “There is a very good argument that government loan guarantees have lead to the rapid rise in college tuition costs.  Universities now spend more money on administration than they do on teachers.  That’s wrong.  But then so is forgiving debt the way you demand it.  Forgiving debt will ultimately put the expense back on everyone else.   Debt forgiveness is just another way of freeloading”

        Let me be very clear in saying I don’t think debt forgiveness will solve anything, but you, yourself, have acknowledged that there are problems with the system.  To then try to offload the solution by saying it’s a form of freeloading does nothing to advance the argument.  To also try to say that I want to forgive debt is close to a lie.  I didn’t say anything of the sort.  What I did was point out the problem with the system.  Very significant difference.

        “Otherwise a quick search will deliver pages of links connecting various labor unions to the movement, some suggesting that the unions were ultimately the origin of the movement.”

        They just joined recently.  From all reports, the protests started and the unions are now a part.  What I’ve read and viewed says that the protesters should be wary that the unions don’t go for a “revisionist” protest instead of the “grassroots” protest that they currently practice.  The revisionist wants to prop up the system with patches that curry to their favor.  The grassroots protest seems more likely wanting to change the system.

        “Frankly, Jay, they can go out and earn it like the rest of us.  We aren’t asking for a hand out.  When Occupy protesters demand a living wage “regardless of whether or not the work”, they are asking to be freeloaders plain and simple.”

        Perhaps it’s because I’ve recently seen some of the protesters but there are three problems as explained with Capitalism hits the Fan:  stagnant wages (that haven’t gone up in 30 years), businesses not hiring, computers making labor more productive, and an influx of immigration and women for jobs (I’ll edit this post to show exactly this part of the video but I believe it’s 15:30-17:00 minutes in.), lowering the wage.  I would say there needs to be a fundamental change of how businesses are structured (also in this video: 32:30) as well as an acknowledgement of how people earn income in the US.  I’ve read that the US has changed into a services industry.  Some people make a lot of money through Youtube videos.  Some can do therapy. The underground economy is up to a trillion dollars by some numbers.   So I highly doubt that people should be dismissed as mere freeloaders.  They might have very valid reasons to believe taxes are too high for a person that can’t get a good paying job, and having to compete with people for jobs they don’t want.

        • Anonymous

          The fellow wishes he was the Lyndon LaRouche of the Left. Great choice to link to, there.

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZ5BM5GNLA54OADSWGSXAMA7SY Jay

            Not entirely sure the story of Lyndon LaRouche…

          • Anonymous

            I see you are a great student of history and Google impaired.  My condolences.

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZ5BM5GNLA54OADSWGSXAMA7SY Jay

            Wikis don’t tell everything.  And if the only thing you want to do is throw in a snide comment that is lost on your audience, then it’s a comment to be ignored.  My condolences.

          • Anonymous

            It appears the only one lost here is you.

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZ5BM5GNLA54OADSWGSXAMA7SY Jay

            Ah, I see.  So let’s move away from the main argument and into an ad hom.  Cute.

    • Guest

      “There’s nothing here in regards to who the “leaders” of this movement
      is, and yet Jim seems apt to say they are around, guiding people to
      protest.”

      You’ve got to understand a few basics about posting here. Number 1 rule is that jimm is a know-nothing idiot who will make your case for you if you just give him enough rope. Get him ot post “facts” then source check his facts. Yesterday he posted “inflation data” that was produced by the poster child of pump and dump stick scams — literally THE guy the wikipedia page on Stock Scams points to as the worst offender. THAT is the kind of “facts” that jim posts. It’s a guaranteed laugh riot.

      • jim_m

        Dude it was from the BLS.  If you cannot read it isn’;t my fault.

        And again you just lied about what I said.

        If the moderators won’t ban you then I’m done.

        Good bye all.

        • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/EU5DQWQTTHTPO4A4ZYSL3AAV2U Adjoran

          Well, he does have a point about the credibility of information provided by the Obama Administration, there is a track record of fraud there.

          Stick around, dude, some stains are harder to clean than others.  Sure, Jay Tea has folded like a cheap suit so far but, dang it, this here is America and if we have to build him a backbone out of spare lumber and shove it up his ass ourselves, by gum, we’ll do it.

          This ain’t over.  Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

          • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

            Must.
            Resist.
            Ghostbusters.
            Quote.

          • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

            Must.
            Resist.
            Ghostbusters.
            Quote.

        • Oysteria

          I’ve pretty much had it with Armstrong myself. If I want insults to my intelligence and integrity, I know where to go now. For the time being, I’ll be elsewhere. 

        • Guest

          jim_m 1 day ago in reply to Bob Armstrong

          (Jimm) It wasn’t a problem before because inflation wasn’t the problem it was before

          FORT LEE, N.J., April 22 [2010]/PRNewswire/ — The National Inflation Association today issued the following food inflation alert to its http://inflation.us members:The Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) today released their Producer Price Index (PPI) report for March 2010 and the latest numbers are shocking. Food prices for the month rose by 2.4%, its sixth consecutive monthly increase and the largest jump in over 26 years. NIA believes that a major breakout in food inflation could be imminent, similar to what is currently being experienced in India.

          Some of the startling food price increases on a year-over-year basis include, fresh and dry vegetables up 56.1%, fresh fruits and melons up 28.8%, eggs for fresh use up 33.6%, pork up 19.1%, beef and veal up 10.7% and dairy products up 9.7%. On October 30th, 2009, NIA predicted that inflation would appear next in food and agriculture, but we never anticipated that it would spiral so far out of control this quickly.

          (JimM) So you see Bob food prices take the biggest jump in 26 years and there wasn’t a reason to question the calculation of inflation during the Bush Admin.

          The figures quoted are lies pushed by stock market scammers. As I explained to jim last night.

          Here’s the link to the March 2010 BLS CPI report. It shows that food rose in March 2010 by .2% not, 2.4%.

          In fact all items rose 2.3% for the 12 month period preceding March 2010 — not 2.4% in the month of March, as Jim m lied repeatedly — even after he knew he was quoting lies from a stock market scammer.

          Fact-checking jim m continually brings up lies and misquotes, and every time I point out the misleading lies he’s promoting he whines like a baby and threatens to quit or begs to have me banned.

          Sorry, jimm – you post lies, and I’m going to point out the lies. No surprise you and others want me banned – you want to be able to lie and bullshit and you hate it when somebody fact-checks your lies.

          “Dude it was from the BLS. If you cannot read it isn’t my fault.”

          More jim m bullshit.

  • Anonymous

    They want free stuff paid for by other people.

    Yep. And they never learned that, as Margaret Thatcher said, eventually you run out of other people’s money.

  • Anonymous

    Wow!  A lot of “free” things there.  All supplied by the labor of others.

    So I take it that IF and WHEN these “protestors” finally do get a job, they will work for “free”?

    • jim_m

      Don’t be so harsh Garand-Dude.  It’s from each according to his ability, to each according to his need.  People will be so much more productive without THE MAN stealing it all.

      /hippy

      Or they will find out that just like the early Pilgrim’s did that they will nearly starve to death if they lack the incentive of keeping what they earn.

  • Anonymous

     Nothing convinces me to warm to the dedication and political brilliance of this movement more than the inspiring image of one of these modern day socialist worker’s party dregs defecating on a police car.
    It pretty much sums up the left.
    (I use the term ‘movement’ advisedly).

  • jim_m

    The occupy DC thugs tried to storm the Smithsonian:  http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2011/10/occupy-dc-protest-thugs-pin-museum-guard-against-wall-try-to-storm-smithsoniun-video/

    Because the real enemy is the museums that serve as the repositories to our nation’s history.  Riiiight.  Or maybe there is something to the claim that these people are nothing but ignorant, anti-American thugs that are seeking to freeload off of working Americans.

    • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

      To control the past is to control the present and future.  Destroying the objective records of the past is the first step to recreating the past in a form which suits the thesis.

    • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

      To control the past is to control the present and future.  Destroying the objective records of the past is the first step to recreating the past in a form which suits the thesis.

  • Anonymous

    small time racist:”Yeah, Obama kinda blackish!!’ Big time racist:  ‘Yep, Booosh did it!!”

  • Anonymous

    They came, They saw .. 2012…

  • Anonymous

    As you can see from the pictures from sea to shining sea, these protestors can’t pick up after themselves, have no idea what leaving a place better than you found it means, and aren’t fit for any rewards that a society like ours has to offer.  And the spoiled brats want more!

    • Anonymous

      They think that someone will come along later and clean up after them. For free, of course.

  • http://www.facebook.com/Stan25 Stan Brewer

    Those lefties are the ones that preach how man is spoiling nature and then they are too damn lazy to pick up after themselves when they leave. Then they have the gall to protest oil, coal, nuclear and natural gas, saying that the use of those resources are killing the environment. It is the scum that are doing the protesting that are the ones that are doing that in spades, with help from their brain dead buddies that live in that make believe land called Hollyweed. I wonder how much that mess will cost the city of New York, when they have finally decided that their temper tantrum has ended and they go home to the basement of their parents home and brag on Kos and Dummy Underground, about how they suckered Barry and George Soros into funding a losing proposition.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/EU5DQWQTTHTPO4A4ZYSL3AAV2U Adjoran

    These are a bunch of people wearing clothes they bought from corporations, using cell phones and laptops they bought from corporations, wearing makeup and cosmetics (but not enough deodorant) they bought from corporations, eating food shipped in by and sold by corporations, wearing eyeglasses or contacts manufactured by corporations, carry signs made of paper made by corporations and illustrated by pens or markers or paints sold by corporations, talking to news operations owned by corporations about how much they don’t like corporations.

    Most of them would be dead in 7-10 days if they could not use any commodity or product sold or delivered by a corporation.  Even those who live on their own organic farms buy energy and insurance from corporations.

    In Sacramento, the leader of the occupiers couldn’t tell the news why they were there, only that a committee would be meeting overnight and release a statement the next day.  In Atlanta, aged civil rights hero and Congressman John Lewis appeared to address the crowd, but they turned him away because they could not “reach a consensus” on whether to hear him then or later after they had finished the discussion of the agenda.  You should have seen the look on his face.

    Not the brightest bulbs on the old Christmas tree, these.

  • herddog505

    Charlie QuidnuncThey want free stuff paid for by other people. What a perfect example of the greed they complain so bitterly about.

    BINGO!  Despite the fawning coverage by MiniTru (which includes carefully ignoring these idiots’ ties to Soros, unions, the democrat party, etc.), I really don’t see the wonderful virtue they are supposed to have: they are like thieves who, being too lazy to actually steal, are protesting and picketting to get Uncle Sugar to do it for them.

    MiniTru also likes to portray this HippieFest as the US version of the Arab Spring, a breathtaking groundswell of people demanding freedom.  Freedom?  Where’s the freedom in insisting that everything in life by “free” (i.e. paid for by somebody else)?  GarandFan also hits the nail on the head:

    So I take it that IF and WHEN these “protestors” finally do get a job, they will work for “free”?

    • Anonymous

      “So I take it that IF and WHEN these “protestors” finally do get a job, they will work for “free”?”

      Dream a little dream for me..

  • http://www.rustedsky.net Anonymous

    It’s pretty clear what the protesters want.

    A life of privilege, indolence, indulgence, and unlimited rights – with absolutely no responsibility.

    (Shrug.)

    I suggest we give them exactly what they want.  Set up a ‘city’ on Catalina island, with free transportation.  Provide 1 tent per person who goes there, one sleeping bag, one air mattress, absolutely free.  Once each week, we do an airdrop of food – 21 MREs or the civilian equivalent for each person.  We have a Coast Guard patrol to keep capitalist interlopers from taking advantage of them by boat.

    We set up ‘entertainment’ stations – concrete reinforced bunkers, solar powered, with 4 projection TVs onto whitewashed concrete screens at each one.  And give them 40 remotes per projection TV.  We give them free internet – 1 terminal per entertainment station.  We give them free cell phones – one per entertainment station.  (Attached to a power cord.  After all, what good is a cell phone with no power?)

    So – they’ve got food, housing, loan forgiveness (as long as they stay on the island), free internet, entertainment, and cell phones.

    After that – whatever society they might want will be up to them.  I predict, however, that a lot of them would be less than enthused about what they wanted after about a week, and will have learned the lesson that no matter how much you demonstrate for it, there ain’t no such thing as a free lunch. Someone ALWAYS pays.

    (Come to think of it, we might have to evacuate the current population – after all, we don’t want them taking advantage of the pure and wonderful society that these people will create, do we?)

  • Anonymous

    Turn to the article’s second page:

    it is clear that although many might seek to marginalize their ideas and concerns, or disagree with the solutions such as taxing the rich or forgiving student loans or free cell phones for everyone, the protester’s over-arching concerns of corporate greed, the poor jobs picture, and health care costs mirror that of many others people across the country.

    Despite its rather extreme liberalism, this movement could very well gain significant traction.  

    • Anonymous

      (emphasis added)

      • http://www.rustedsky.net Anonymous

        Doubtful.

        The thing about the Tea Party – the folks who were seeing their money disappear were those who were producing.  They know that there’s no such thing as a free lunch, and they know what happens when THEY waste their own money and THEY spend more than they bring in.  They don’t mind government paying for necessary things, but when there’s no money borrowing for luxuries is foolish.  So they’re pissed at too much spending.

        These people?  They resent paying for what they ‘need’.  They feel it’s owed to them simply because they exist.  They want free everything, apparently believing that all they have to do is want something enough, and it’ll be provided gratis.  THEY don’t care about the cost or who gets stuck with the bill, as long as it isn’t them.

        I give ‘em about another week.  Something new will come along, bump them off the top of the news stack, and they’ll end up pretty close to the bottom.

        • Anonymous

          JLaw:

          These protesters don’t need to impress you.  You wouldn’t join them.  Period.  They only need to impress left-wingers and independent-left “leaners.”  And I think they’re starting to do that.  

          • http://www.rustedsky.net Anonymous

            Even ‘independent left’ leaners usually understand that you don’t get something for nothing.  It’s a belief that only the hard-core left seems to hold.

      • Guest

        >>:” this movement could very well gain significant traction.”

        I agree. I think the timing is similar to the 2009 tea party that influenced the 2010 elections 18 months later. I think this protest will carry through into the 2012 elections and will be as much an influence on the 2012 outcome as the 2009 tea party protests influenced the 2010 elections.

        • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/EU5DQWQTTHTPO4A4ZYSL3AAV2U Adjoran

          Except the Tea Party protestors have jobs, showers, and a point.

          All these people have is poor hygiene and a sense of entitlement, you filthy hippy.

          (Note one of the complaints from the neighbors in NYC is the late-night drumming – the hippies are already forming drum circles. If something isn’t done, a full-scale Hippy Music Festival may break out – and there will be more crap in the streets than since horses and buggies were the main mode of transportation).

  • http://www.facebook.com/Stan25 Stan Brewer

    …and there will be more crap in the streets than since horses and buggies were the main mode of transportation).

    That is what most of them want. They don’t understand that horses are way too much work for these lazy piles of crap. You have to feed and water them twice a day and if they are used, more. Then where are they going to store them? There are no green pastures in the cities and people are damn sure not going to put up with a bunch of horses grazing in the parks. Are these idiots going to clean up the by-products that the horses leave? Not no, but hell no. They will leave that to someone else.

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