Anthropogenic Global Warming Revisited

In the comments section of one of Rick’s posts, a debate about global warming was started.  One person claimed that those who deny anthropogenic global warming are using faith over reason.

Who is using faith over reason?

The climate models used by the IPCC predicted that there would be less snow cover in North America as a result of AGW, as stated in a report published by Columbia University.

So, what happened when snow amounts in North America increased?

Answer: On December 25, 2010  the New York Times published an op-ed piece titled “Bundle Up, It’s Global Warming” written by AGW proponent Judah Cohen. Here is the beginning of Cohen’s piece:

The earth continues to get warmer, yet it’s feeling a lot colder outside. Over the past few weeks, subzero temperatures in Poland claimed 66 lives; snow arrived in Seattle well before the winter solstice, and fell heavily enough in Minneapolis to make the roof of the Metrodome collapse; and last week blizzards closed Europe’s busiest airports in London and Frankfurt for days, stranding holiday travelers.  The snow and record cold have invaded the Eastern United States, with more bad weather predicted.

All of this cold was met with perfect comic timing by the release of a World Meteorological Organization report showing that 2010 will probably  be among the three warmest years on record, and  2001 through  2010 the warmest decade on record.

How can we reconcile this? The not-so-obvious short answer is that the overall warming of the atmosphere is actually creating cold-weather extremes. Last winter, too, was exceptionally snowy and cold across the Eastern United States and Eurasia, as were seven of the previous nine winters.

So, according to the Church of AGW, less snow will be the result of AGW, unless there is actually more snow, which will also be the result of AGW. Now is that kind of logic the result of faith or the result of reason?

Here is more. In 2003, the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics issued a press release which starts with the following paragraph:

A review of more than 200 climate studies led by researchers at the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics has determined that the 20th century is neither the warmest century nor the century with the most extreme weather of the past 1000 years. The review also confirmed that the Medieval Warm Period of 800 to 1300 A.D. and the Little Ice Age of 1300 to 1900 A.D. were worldwide phenomena not limited to the European and North American continents. While 20th century temperatures are much higher than in the Little Ice Age period, many parts of the world show the medieval warmth to be greater than that of the 20th century.

Are the researchers at the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics using faith or reason?

Also, in 2006 geophysicist Dr. David Deming testified before the U.S. Senate, during which time Deming made the following statement:

In 1995, I published a short paper in the academic journal Science. In that  study, I reviewed how borehole temperature data recorded a warming of about one  degree Celsius in North America over the last 100 to 150 years. The week the  article appeared, I was contacted by a reporter for National Public Radio. He  offered to interview me, but only if I would state that the warming was due to  human activity. When I refused to do so, he hung up on me.

I had another interesting experience around the time my paper in Science was  published. I received an astonishing email from a major researcher in the area  of climate change. He said, “We have to get rid of the Medieval Warm  Period.”

Deming also said . . .

In 1999, Michael Mann and his colleagues published a reconstruction of past  temperature in which the MWP simply vanished. This unique estimate became known  as the “hockey stick,” because of the shape of the temperature graph.

Normally in science, when you have a novel result that appears to overturn  previous work, you have to demonstrate why the earlier work was wrong. But the  work of Mann and his colleagues was initially accepted uncritically, even though  it contradicted the results of more than 100 previous studies. Other researchers  have since reaffirmed that the Medieval Warm Period was both warm and global in  its extent.

Is Deming using faith or reason?

Lest we forget, in its April 28, 1975 issue Newsweek proclaimed that the Earth’s climate was cooling down. That report in Newsweek states . . .

To scientists, these seemingly disparate incidents represent the advance signs of fundamental changes in the world’s weather. The central fact is that after three quarters of a century of extraordinarily mild conditions, the earth’s climate seems to be cooling down.

Let’s not forget that June 24, 1974 story in TIME magazine titled “Another Ice Age?”  Here are the first two paragraphs from that TIME story:

In Africa, drought continues for the sixth consecutive year, adding terribly to the toll of famine victims. During 1972 record rains in parts of the U.S., Pakistan and Japan caused some of the worst flooding in centuries. In Canada’s wheat belt, a particularly chilly and rainy spring has delayed planting and may well bring a disappointingly small harvest. Rainy Britain, on the other hand, has suffered from uncharacteristic dry spells the past few springs. A series of unusually cold winters has gripped the American Far West, while New England and northern Europe have recently experienced the mildest winters within anyone’s recollection.

As they review the bizarre and unpredictable weather pattern of the past several years, a growing number of scientists are beginning to suspect that many seemingly contradictory meteorological fluctuations are actually part of a global climatic upheaval. However widely the weather varies from place to place and time to time, when meteorologists take an average of temperatures around the globe they find that the atmosphere has been growing gradually cooler for the past three decades. The trend shows no indication of reversing. Climatological Cassandras are becoming increasingly apprehensive, for the weather aberrations they are studying may be the harbinger of another ice age.

So, did Newsweek and TIME magazines use faith or reason while proclaiming that another Ice Age  was in the making?

Notice that in the TIME story the weather extremes are supposed to be signs of global cooling. Yet, now AGW proponents are saying that such weather extremes are signs of global warming. Well, which is it?

Which is reason and which is faith: to claim that the science is settled or to claim that the science is not settled?

Finally, let’s consider something mentioned in that press release from the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics. It talks about the finding of scientists who reviewed more than 200 climate studies. The press release quotes researcher Willie Soon, who said the following:

We felt it was time to pull together a large sample of recent studies from the last 5-10 years and look for patterns of variability and change. In fact, clear patterns did emerge showing that regions worldwide experienced the highs of the Medieval Warm Period and lows of the Little Ice Age, and that 20th century temperatures are generally cooler than during the medieval warmth.

So, contrary to what AGW proponents claim, the Medieval Warm Period was both real and global. Now that’s an inconvenient truth.

It is no wonder that AGW proponents are in denial about the global Medieval Warm Period.  Being that it took place before the Industrial Revolution, it is apparent that the global Medieval Warm Period had all-natural causes.  So, one cannot rule out the possibility of the modern-day Warm Period having all-natural causes.

Well, if your beliefs are based on reason, then you cannot rule out the possibility of the modern-day Warm Period having all-natural causes.

However, if your beliefs are based on faith, then perhaps you could rule out all-natural causes.  You might even go so far as to deny the occurance of a global warm period, such as the one that took place between the years 800 CE and 1300 CE.

For what it is worth, I do not object to someone claiming that the Earth is experiencing a present-day warm period. However, I do object to someone claiming that such a warm period is the result of Mankind’s activities, because the global Medieval Warm Period demonstrates that Nature does not need Mankind’s help in order to create a warm period.

Also, I do not deny the possibility of Mankind’s activities contributing to weather patterns, and I see nothing wrong with trying to reduce carbon emissions, as long as doing so doesn’t cause economic harm. It’s OK to try to do a better job of protecting the environment if that really is your goal. However, if your real goal is wealth redistribution,  or if your goal is to make money by selling carbon offsets, then I will not be jumping onto your bandwagon.

If you preach global warming but live as if it’s not happening, then I will not be motivated to join your crusade.

Sure, global warming can be happening, but it is ridiculous to claim that every unpleasant weather event is the result of global warming. If you are going to do that, then you might as well blame global warming for other things.

 

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  • jim_m

    It’s because of global warming.  Or it’s Bush’s fault.  Whatever.

    When everything (and I mean everything, heatwaves and freezing temperatures) is explained as being on account of global warming and global warming “science” cannot make a hard and fast prediction of anything (and what little the believers have predicted has not come true), what you have is a religion. 

    The warmists use AGW to explain everything that happens meteorologically.  There is nothing that anyone can point to that would be a weather or climate condition that is not explained by global warming. Theories that are not falsifiable are not science.  They are religion.

    • herddog505

      Hear, hear!

      I think that the past couple of winters have really been hard on the AGW crowd, especially when they had to try to tell us that all the cold temperatures and snow were ACTUALLY being caused by global warming.  “It’s colder because it’s getting hotter.  Seriously.  STOP LAUGHING AT US!  We are using SCIENCE, dammit!”

  • http://otisthehand.blogspot.com/ OTIS the hand

    It has far more to do with anthropogenic global statism. Isn’t it ironic that the leftist is willing to contrive a man-made correlation to climate on the most tenuous possible claims, yet the obvious connection between conduct and poverty remains all so elusive. Poverty is a force which acts upon people who are helpless to avert it. My empty purse is always someone else’s fault. Especially if that someone happens to be rich. Such are the vagaries of the morally bankrupt.

    • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

      And if they don’t have a convenient crises to take advantage of, they’ll gin one right up.

    • http://profiles.google.com/elilla.shadowheart Elilla Shadowheart

      Obviously I just need to figure out some useless cause for leftists to take stock in.  After all, they have plenty of money I can take.  Especially since they’re all about redistribution…right to me.

  • Anonymous

    Global Warming – or it’s new PC name “Climate Change”…..ain’t nothing it can’t do.

  • retired.military

    Manmade global warming is at fault????  Damn and here I was thinking that it was Bush’s fault.

    edit

    Damn Jim_m. I didnt read your post. You beat me to it.

  • http://2012.ak4mc.us/ McGehee

    What begins with “We have to get rid of the Medieval Warm Period” would almost certainly progress to, “Those mile-thick ice sheets advancing across the border from Canada into the Dakotas are all just Tea Party propaganda.”

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/EU5DQWQTTHTPO4A4ZYSL3AAV2U Adjoran

    When people exclaim “the science is settled,” they are only telling you not to look at the science.  Science is NEVER settled, and we are overturning settled wisdom in astronomy, medicine, physics and other sciences regularly.

    But when a theory “has science on its side,” its proponents have no need to dump original data so it cannot be reexamined.  They don’t pressure the journals not to publish critical studies, and then dismiss those studies because they weren’t published in the journals.  They don’t construct misleading graphs.  They don’t conspire about doing these things privately.  They don’t violate the law by failing to disclose required email records owned by the public, or by attempting to discard those emails.  They don’t use computer models which fail back-testing as evidence, when they are clearly flawed.

    If anyone could explain to me how someone with the facts on their side would do ANY of those things, I’d love to hear it.  Then explain why they would feel the need to do them ALL.

    Meanwhile, Al Gore and Laurie David get to their AGW events by private plane and their mansions burn enough electricity to power 50 average homes.

    As the Blogfather says, “I’ll believe it’s a crisis when the people who say it’s a crisis start acting like it’s a crisis.”

    • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

      Well Said.

      After ClimateGate I really stopped following AGW as it had been exposed as a blatant fraud.  Seems that some are bitterly clinging to the fiction.

  • Mario Delgado

    Food for Thought (All articles from Science Daily):

    Global Warming Predictions Are Overestimated, Suggests Study On Black Carbon:

    A detailed analysis of black carbon — the residue of burned organic matter — in computer climate models suggests that those models may be overestimating global warming predictions…

    Productivity of Land Plants May Be Greater Than Previously Thought:

    The global uptake of carbon by land plants may be up to 45 per cent more than previously thought…

    Future Forests May Soak Up More Carbon Dioxide Than Previously Believed:

    …The results of a 12-year study at an experimental forest in northeastern Wisconsin challenge several long-held assumptions about how future forests will respond to the rising levels of atmospheric carbon dioxide blamed for human-caused climate change…

  • Anonymous

    Unless the next administration can turn the EPA around or do away with it all together we are going to have to listen to this nonsense. The next president will need to lead on this and say unequivocally we are not going to criple this country’s economy based on a hoax. I hope the next president is up to it. Whoever he might be.
    RLD

    • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

      Hear hear!

      Though I must note that the Congress could do the same today by specifically prohibiting the regulation of CO2.

      • Anonymous

        I don’t think they have the guts yet. At least until after the election 2012.
        RLD

    • retired.military

      If it is Romney than you can forget it.  IMO the man has balls the size of grapes and of about the same consistentcy.

      • Anonymous

        Once upon a time, Romney had guts. He took on Billy Bulger and won, he took on the Massachusetts legislature over The Big Dig and won.

        And then he decided to go national…

        J.

  • Anonymous

    David Robertson cherry picked points can by rebutted.

     Six to one times as many climate scientists, in the 70´s were predicting global warming not global cooling or a new ice ago,  Time and Newsweek articles in 1974 and 1975 to the contrary.

    Greater snowfall in some regions is casued by greater humidity in the atmosphere due to global warming not the reverse.

     It is not true that the medieval warming period was greater in most regions and, certainly not in the southern hemsiphere and “It has now become clear to scientists that the Medieval Warm Period occurred during a time which had higher than average solar radiation and less volcanic activity (both
    resulting in warming). New evidence is also suggesting that changes in ocean
    circulation patterns played a very important role in bringing warmer seawater
    into the North Atlantic”.
     
     See Simple rebuttals to denier talking points — with links to the full climate science

    • herddog505

      So… The Medieval Warming Period was only sort-of real, and caused by that huge, bright, hot yellow thing in the sky, fewer volcanoes, and those enormous, wet things between the continents.

      In other words, the AGW crowd has to point to NATURAL causes for variations in temperature / climate when their models break down.  The models that implicitly REJECT natural causes for an alleged increase in global temperatures or climate changes: it’s all CO2, dammit!  Heads I win, tails you lose.

      This garbage would be laughable if not for the realworld costs not only in money, but also to the damage done to science by a pack of charlatans and their enablers in politics and the media.

    • Anonymous

      Folks, let me tell you the secret to dealing with Steve. Hit him with one or two rounds of “inconvenient truths” and he’ll say he needs more time to properly respond… but never will. He’ll lay low for a day or two, then start up again on a new thread.

      Sorry, Steve, but don’t blame me for noting the pattern you’ve established.

      J.

    • Anonymous

      Blah, blah, blah. Guess what? I can link to a page containing more links to article after article showing that AGW is a hoax. Watch:

      http://www.wnho.net/global_warming.htm

      Ta da!!

      More importantly is the fact that the physics do not support the AGW “theory.” The Warmers never really want to talk about the science. Here’s a primer on the subject:

      http://www.middlebury.net/op-ed/global-warming-01.html

    • http://otisthehand.blogspot.com/ OTIS the hand

      Since the links to man-made climate are so obvious and well understood, building a weather machine should be a no-brainer. Get back to me.

    • Anonymous

      The AGW “theory” is not supported by the physics.

      http://www.middlebury.net/op-ed/global-warming-01.html

      But, the Warmers don’t really want to talk about science.

    • Anonymous

      Is this the same Steve Crickmore that told us earlier this year that he doesn’t understand the SCIENCE that he so worships regarding AGW?  That science didn’t interest him when he was in school?

    • http://www.wizbangblog.com David Robertson

      [blockquote]Six to one times as many climate scientists, in the 70´s were predicting global warming not global cooling or a new ice ago, Time and Newsweek articles in 1974 and 1975 to the contrary.[/blockquote]
      And the data that supports this claim is  . . .? So, why did Newsweek and TIME talk about global cooling?  Weren’t those publications reporting the results of scientific studies?

      [blockquote]Greater snowfall in some regions is casued by greater humidity in the atmosphere due to global warming not the reverse.[/blockquote]
      Then why did the computer models used by the IPCC predict less snow? 

      Oh, about the global medieval warm period – the scientists that I quoted said nothing about the causes of that phenomenon; they simply said that the phenomenon was global. If you disagree with what they said, then your argument is with them, not with me.

      I do not understand why anyone would be in denial about the global medieval warm period. After all, if such a global warm period happened once before, then what is there to prevent such a phenomenon from happening again? 

      As I see it, the rush to blame Mankind for global warming is the result people’s desire to be able to control the future.  If global warming is man-made, then it can be prevented by control of human activity. However, if global warming is a natural phenomenon, then it might not be prevented by control of human activity. It is not unusual for people to fear what they cannot control, including climate changes.
       
      As I have already said, I see nothing wrong with trying to minimize the human impact on the environment, but I draw a line at blaming Mankind for something that Mankind may not be able to control.

      • jim_m

        I do not understand why anyone would be in denial about the global
        medieval warm period. After all, if such a global warm period happened
        once before, then what is there to prevent such a phenomenon from
        happening again? 

        That’s the problem. If it happened before then it could just be nature doing its thing and then the enviro wackos can’t do their whole blame it on man/the US/western civilization BS.  The AGW movement is all about control of people’s lives.

        The enviro movement is based on the concept that man changes the environment and that the environment must be preserved as it is, unchanged.  But since the environment is ever changing this whole notion is ridiculous. The truth is that in nature often the only way to stop something from changing is to kill it.

  • Anonymous

    Seems that with the warmers its always a case of “look how many we got to say it is so” as compared to the deniers who say “look what the facts show”.

  • PBunyan

    Crickmore: ” See Simple rebuttals to denier talking points — with links to the full climate science”

    I love the “deniers” label.  Isn’t it cute how evil liars/democrats/progressives/socialists/communists/statists love to play semantic games like that.  “Denier” implies that there actually is something to be denied.  You cannot deny an immaginary concept like AGCC.  The honest term to use would be “non-believer”, but I’d never expect a leftist to honest enough to use that term.  How would you athiests out there like to be called “God-deniers”?   That would be just as dishonest as you calling people who understand what science really is, and thus don’t beleive in the totally discredited concept of AGCC, “deniers”.

    I am not an anthropogenice global climate change denier.  I am a non-believer.

    Here Steve, I’ll fix that title for you to something honest and not evil:

    “See disingenous talking points to rebut honest facts presented by AGCC non-belivers– with full links to full one world communist government theology.”

  • Anonymous

    The science doesn’t matter anymore. “The Warmists” have realized that it will not get through the legislative process so they are charging hard at the courts and the entrenched bureaucracy, where they have allies. It has become obvious that it is a politically driven agenda to punish the American economy and nothing else.
    RLD

  • Anonymous

    Between Global Warming “solutions” and National Health Care, we have a liberal dream come true where they get to control damn near every aspect of our lives.

    And as we’ve seen with Gore and other well connected democrats, there’s also a fortune to be made if this charade succeeds.

    We’ve seen this played out before, repeatedly. Declare an emergency/epidemic/major problem, create govt programs and bureaucracies, throw money at it, make the problem worse, move on to the next “problem”. See the War on poverty, war on drugs, education, obesity, affordable housing/mortgage market, etc.

  • Anonymous

    I suppose most of you  at first denied or doubted that the hole in the ozone layer over Antartica  was caused by Chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs), in aerosol propellants , until they were banned,, or the rise in acid rain in Appalachia (as measured in the Hubbard Brook Forest in New Hampshire)  was  caused by  high emissions of carbon dioxide, sulfur dioxide and nitrogen oxides which react with the water molecules in the atmosphere to produce acids. Now these two phenomena and their remedies, like limiting the sulphur dioxide emissions from power plants for the latter, are presumably accepted even by conservatives, after much initial resistance.

    As for the link between carbon emisisons and global warming to me that is even less exotic, than these  two examples, but for some reason most of  you can not get your heads around the fact that spewing out billions of tons of carbon is increasing the carbon content in the air which traps heat as a primary greenhouse gas.
    .
    global warming 101.. it is not difficult , it is less dificult than the concept of acid rain, or CFCs causing the hole of the ozone layer both of which were .. just as anthropogenic, surely you agree to that?

    In 1863 the Irish scientist John Tyndall  determined that carbon dioxide and water vapor trapped more heat in the atmosphere as their concentrations increased.”.Fluctuation in the carbon dioxide of the air has helped to bring about major climate changes experienced by the world in the past.”This is (from) 1955 a textbook “Our Astonishing Atmosphere”.And ( adding) 7 to 8 billion metric tons a year into the atmosphere is a very big thing in the historical sweep.

    So we now measure carbon concentrations climbing in the Earth’s atmosphere. Again, this is a measurement, not a theory. The present concentration exceeds 390 parts per million.
    So 800,000 years and a bandwidth of 170 to 300 parts per million, and now we are over 390..

    . and the trajectory is rising..

    • Anonymous

      A well supported argument… NOT!  A “scientist” cited in ThinkProgress, which most definitely has an ideological/political stake in pushing the AGWA religion, would not be classified as an impartial source.  DR has put forth a defensible argument based on – yes – actual consensus scientific studies (not made-up “consensus science” from the Church of Algore), weather=climate circular argumentation, and “first it’s one thing, then it’s the exact opposite thing” hypocrisy.  You, in your pathetic attempt at a counter-argument, offer opinion of the world-renowned Irishman, John Tindall!

      And just for jollies I’ll include a counter-reference concerning the recent CERN study report published in that well known right-wing publication Nature Journal of Science:

      “the dominant controller of temperatures in the Earth’s atmosphere is due
      to galactic cosmic rays and the sun, rather than by man. One of the
      report’s authors, Professor Jyrki Kauppinen, summed up his conclusions
      regarding the potential for man-made Global Warming: “I think it is such
      a blatant falsification.”

      Look, the point here is that there is strong scientific evidence that man-made carbon emissions are NOT a dominant contributor to either weather phenomenon or long-term climate patterns.  The AGWA religion, based on computer modeling, has largely been falsified since enough time has passed to show that most of the ’80s-90s catastrophic predictions have been dead wrong.  I propose that the scientific community keep working to improve their research and analysis capabilities, that the “environmental protection” effort be focused locally without recriminations, and that taxpayers refuse to fund worthless efforts to “stop the sky from falling.”

    • herddog505

      Yeppers, the ozone hole and acid rain.  I remember them well: horrible, terrible things that scientists ASSURED us were the path to DOOOOOOM!  And then, when people started to realize that they could still go outside without slathering on SPF-500, or that they could walk in the rain without their skin melting off, the hoopla went away.

      As for Tyndall, that’s all well and good, except for the fact that there is (shall we say?) significant controversy over whether CO2 is a leading or a lagging indicator of global temperature changes.  The AGW crowd likes to posit that it’s not only a leading indicator, but the cause.  This makes a neat argument: “CO2 rises, and so does temperature.”

      Except when it doesn’t due to volcaonoes or sulfur emissions from Chinese powerplants or whatever lame excuse is used to justify why the most recent “tipping point” WASN’T.

      Incidentally, measuring CO2 in the atmosphere on a global scale is an even more dodgy process than measuring temperature.  There are hardly thousands of CO2 sensors scattered about, and we must rely on a relative handful of such things as ice core samples to try to get an idea of what the levels were in the past.

      The whole thing is dodgy as hell.

    • Anonymous

      Steve,

      Are you EVER going to apologize for your gratuitous insult over in the other thread?
      (I guess not.)

      The ozone hole – http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/10/20/daleo-on-ozone-hole-it-is-very-likely-to-have-been-there-forever/
      Take away quote – “It is very likely to have been there forever, varying year to year and
      decade to decade as solar cycles and volcanic events affected high
      latitude winter vortex strength. ”

      Kinda like the holes in the AGW science.

      And Steve’s logic – like all “grade A nutbag” liberals’ arguments.

  • jim_m

    CO2 is a training indicator of warming, which is to say that typically, it goes up after the climate warms.  This is the typical correlation is not causation problem that the left has with science.

    CO2 is 0.03% of he atmosphere.  Man’s contribution is a fraction of that.  Methane and water vapor are far more significant actors in the greenhouse effect. 

    Even the AGW loons at the IPCC ave admitted that if ALL carbon emissions were ceased today the total avoidance of warming would be too small to measure with any certainty. That alone should tell you that the focus on carbon emissions is a bunch of BS and that the real target is industrialization and being able to control and tax it.

    Again you have ignored the fact that other planets in the solar system have warmed over the last  few decades and there is no evidence of AGW on those planets.   Scientists are willing to state that solar activity has caused warming elsewhere in the solar system but they are reluctant to say that the same effects are occurring here. 

    And I will say again that the Cern CLOUD Study has recently demonstrated hat solar radiation has a far more significant role in cloud formation than anyone previously understood.  Solar radiation is at least ten times more influential in cloud formation which will dramatically effect global temperature.  AGW advocates ignore events such as the Maunder Minimum and the fact that they coincide with major cooling events.

    The earth has been significantly warmer in the past than it is today.  The AGW bs is built on the ignorant supposition that climate should never change.

  • Anonymous

    Of course, jim m, it has been significantly warmer in the past, up to five degrees Celsius hotter than our present warming trend about half a degree Celsius change so far in 30 plus years, but these changes took tens of thousands of years, not a few decades. The last great warming period, 56 million years ago, took two hundred thousand years just to cool down. Species had time to react migrate and change. It is the alarming rate of this modern global warming..

    • jim_m

      Ummm. No.  The climate record (such as it is) shows rather abrupt changes in temperature. We can even look as recent as the Little Ice Age and see that significant temperature swings can occur in less than a decade and last for many decades.

  • Anonymous

    Acid Rain?

    Sure, I believed the hype until I looked into it further.

    “Perhaps the best example of the contributions of scientists to a large,
    complex issue is the National Acid Precipitation Assessment Project (NAPAP).
    This project entailed hundreds of scientists working in small groups over a
    period of 10 years at a cost of $550 million.

    Scare Debunked

    The NAPAP findings were submitted to Congress in 1990. Because the study’s
    findings minimized the impact of acid rain caused by humans, Congress and the
    media completely ignored them.

    The NAPAP study found that among thousands of U.S. lakes, only 4 percent were
    somewhat acidic. One-quarter of those were acidic due to natural causes, leaving
    only 3 percent somewhat influenced by human activities.

    The study found many of the Adirondack lakes were acidic when explorers first
    entered the region, and likely contained few fish at the time. Logging the
    virgin forests prior to 1900 reduced the regional lake acidity. Acidity then
    rebounded with the decline of logging.”

    There’s more of course. But please note that as with the present hysteria about Global warming, since the studies results did not match what they wanted to see, “congress and the media completely ignored them.”

    See a pattern Steve?

    • Anonymous

      Yes, I see the pattern.. “Your quotes  scare debunked etc were  taken  from an article  commissioned  by the Heartland institute, which is very heavily funded by multi national oil and tobacco companies( see related articles in link)-. Big tobacco has  not previously been  known for their concerns  about the health of its citizens, particularly teenagers whom they target- I know I had the msfortune of working for them on marketing surveys, they explicity asked the interviewer( me)  to interview the youngest smoker in the household..for better ways to sell their product i.e hook their young customer, until I had to quit.

      • Anonymous

        Nice obfuscation Steve.
        The article might have been published by the Heartland Institute which you write off due to who they work with. So let’s see you write off NAPAP.

        Here’s the background.

        The initial efforts to create an acidification assessment were a report commissioned by
        the Council on Environmental Quality in 1978 and a Presidential Initiative started
        by President Carter in 1979.

        NAPAP was governed by a federal interagency coordinating committee.

        NAPAP was authorized and funded by Congress in 1980 to ‘‘increase our understanding
        of the causes and effects of acid precipitation’’.

        • jim_m

          Common lefty tactic is to look at where you quote the data from and not to look at where the data itself is from.  SO you could quote the most unimpeachable source you can think of but if the link to that quote goes to FOX News, the idiot leftists will all claim it is some bogus conspiracy theory.

          • Anonymous

            Well, of course.

            Obfuscation is all the “grade A nutbag” watermelons like Steve have. It certainly isn’t the science.

      • Anonymous

        I’m still waiting for that apology, you “grade A nutbag” discredited watermelon.

  • Anonymous

    I remember when the early church of AGW jumped on the “ozone hole” fantasy. This gave them “faith” because of the reaction to the hysteria. A dim bulb went off in their heads, “Hey, now we can go after carbon emissions and we can in one feld swoop bring down the American economy and level the playing field for the rest of the world!” The rest of the world joined in. “Yes, punish those Americans, it’s their fault we aren’t as successful!” Well the whole AGW/CC bs has farted and failed so to speak. However, the worshipers aren’t going away. We just need to elect LEADERS to stand up to the madness when it sprouts it’s pointy little head.
    RLD

  • Tom Johnson

    The science is always settled. Aristotle was right about objects going through the air always going at a constant velocity, until Galileo proved him wrong.
    The Roman Catholics were right that the Earth did not move, until Focault discovered his pendulum.
    Everybody was right that atoms could not be created or destroyed, until Becquerel has his little accident with pitchblende.
    So get over it. The science of Global Climate is not understood. We don’t know what governs cloud formation, though there are several theories. We don’t know the details of carbon dioxide absorption and release in the oceans, in plants, or in soil. We don’t understand the atmosphere very well; too much of it is in remote areas and hard to study.
    The trouble is not the science. The trouble is the mis-use of statistics to cherry-pick data, after the conclusions have already been made. And AGW is a giant case of cherry-picking of data, especially the tree-ring data. That is why the AGW proponents have engendered a massive cover-up.
    As Yogi Berra would say, “you could look it up.”

    • Anonymous

      The flap over neutrinos traveling faster than light has turned the theory of relativity on it’s head or so we think. What the researchers did was what the scientific method calls for. They published their findings and opened it up for PIER REVIEW. What they are saying now after the first surprise has worn off a little, is that there MAYBE problems with the instruments used to calculate and track the speed. Gee, ya think. Tracking tree rings before the tree actually grows them could be a problem.
      RLD

      • Anonymous

        Pier Review.  I lake that one.  

        • Anonymous

          Can’t get anything past some of you people. It was early. Too lazy to check spelling. Not the worst I’ve been guilty of. “I lake that one”, good one. Very witty. 

          • Anonymous

            What’s truly funny is that was a real Freudian Typo that I did see and decide to leave in before I hit send.  Glad you appreciated it.