Iraqi veteran injured at Occupy Oakland hated the Marine Corps

As in nearly everything we’re learning about the Occupy protests, all is not exactly as they like to portray things.

Reuters published this piece this morning about Scott Olsen, the former Marine injured Tuesday night at the Occupy Oakland protest:

SOlsenAn Iraq war veteran badly wounded in clashes between protesters and police on the streets of Oakland was awake and lucid, hospital officials and family members said on Thursday.

Scott Olsen, a 24-year-old former U.S. Marine struck in the head during Wall Street protests on Tuesday night, had been upgraded from critical to fair condition overnight.

Olsen’s injury has become a rallying cry for the Occupy Wall Street movement nationwide, and Oakland organizers said they would stage a general strike over what a spokeswoman called the “brutal and vicious” treatment of protesters, including the young Iraq war veteran.

Mr. Olsen soon became “a rallying cry” according to other media outlets as well:

On Thursday’s NBC Nightly News, anchor Brian Williams proclaimed: “Protesters across the country and a lot of Americans who are sympathetic to this Occupy Wall Street protest movement are tonight rallying around a 24-year-old Iraq war veteran who was seriously injured during a violent confrontation with police in Oakland, California on Tuesday.”

On ABC’s World News, fill-in anchor George Stephanopoulos echoed that sentiment: “…one young man has become a symbol of their resolve.” Correspondent Abbie Boudreau followed by declaring: “With tensions mounting daily, the name Scott Olsen has become a national rallying cry for Occupy Wall Street….injured Tuesday night, as police began firing tear gas during the Oakland crackdown.”

And the inevitable Facebook page soon followed, this one called We Are All Scott Olsen.

But are we really?

It has been widely reported that Olsen is a member of Iraq Veterans Against the War. But apparently his opposition to the U.S. military and the Marine Corps in which he served runs a little deeper.

The site is no longer live, but Olsen was the founder ofIHateTheMarineCorps.com, a private user forum apparently dedicated to bashing the Marine Corps. 

A Scott Olsen is listed as the registered owner of this domain, and I was able to confirm that this is indeed the same Scott Olsen based on a user profile on the fundraising site pledgie.com.

I also uncovered a comment from Olsen on the Yahoo Answers site from last year where he is highly critical of the Marine Corps:

The Marine Corps thrives on its image. They convince young men and women that they’re joining a professional military organization. But that’s not the case at all, every Marine knows it, and most have no problem downplaying the bullshit to outsiders so they can protect their “beloved corps”. I noticed some of the other posters have told you not to pay any attention to my site because we’re just a bunch of ********* who couldn’t hack it, right? Maybe not hacking it means we saw through the bullshit and don’t want to take it. Maybe the brainwashing didn’t work on us. I’m not here to tell you if you should join or not. I’m here to advise you to take the people who visit my website just as seriously as anybody who tries to sell you the MC as a good thing.

My site is anonymous, these people don’t have to worry about hiding from the MC, or protecting the MC’s image or anything. It is unfiltered truth.
Source(s):
Former Marine, owner of http://www.ihatethemarinecorps.com

We are still digging for any other relevant information, so stay tuned.

Update: There are some pictures of interesting foliage and other paraphernalia on his Flickr account. Go figure: the guy being held up as a war hero by OWS is a pot smoker who hates the Marines.

I join with the countless others who wish this young man well. My sincere hope is that he heals fully.  But I think it deceiptful and dishonest not to report the full story on the guy, especially when he’s being portrayed, to further an agenda, as someone who in reality he is not.

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Posted by on October 28, 2011.
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  • http://2012.ak4mc.us/ McGehee

    Chico is, I’m sure, trying to decide whether to avoid this thread altogether, or to pop in here spouting righteous indignation and claiming we’re cheering Olsen’s injury because he dared to part with Corps orthodoxy.

    • Anonymous

      No, I’m not avoiding it at all.  The thing is, as a veteran, I remember there is always a strain of hating the service among servicemembers and veterans.  That’s one reason why most first-termers get out as soon as they can, and you see “FTA” “FTN” and the like written in military shitters all around the world.  Lots of people get shafted by arbitrary assholes in the military.  There is even a tradition of literature and film around this – The Last Detail, Soldier in the Rain, A Few Good Men, Catch-22, M*A*S*H, The Naked and The Dead, Billy Budd  come to mind.

      The thing is, this guy stepped up and enlisted and went to Iraq, what, twice?  Most of you all had “other priorities,” which is why you never encountered a pissed-off serviceman, or had the right to write “FTA” or the like on a wall. (And of course you do have the right, but not the earned consciousness that comes from experience)

      Of course, I do hope Rick is not saying it was justified for the police to fire a tear gas canister at Olsen’s skull to break it.

      • Anonymous

        >>The thing is, this guy stepped up and enlisted and went to Iraq, what,
        twice?  Most of you all had “other priorities,” which is why you never
        encountered a pissed-off serviceman, or had the right to write “FTA” or
        the like on a wall. <<

        Wow! I haven't seen the chicken hawk play executed this well since GB left office.
        Nice work Chico.

      • http://www.brutallyhonest.org Rick Rice

        Not sure how anyone could even hint that I’d be saying that Chico… unless… they’re warped…

        • Anonymous

          Chico is falling back on all sorts of dysfunctional tripe this thread.  Sad, I was beginning to think there was hope.

        • http://2012.ak4mc.us/ McGehee

          He just can’t help himself from living down to my predictions.

      • retired.military

        “The thing is, this guy stepped up and enlisted and went to Iraq, what, twice   Most of you all had “other priorities,

        Funny Chico. How all the OWS crowd seems to have other priorities than to get a job.  How many of the folks who are holding signs saying “I want  a job” will actually go to a recruiting station for jobs (and free health care which they seem to want also, as well as free room and board).

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZ5BM5GNLA54OADSWGSXAMA7SY Jay

          Yep, ship them all to Iran.  That’ll work wonders.

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_AXDLBHGWBWIDXWT2LH62AO7I4M Real American

          I’d rather we cut your benefits free loader. 

          • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

            You should immediately cease producing CO2.

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FWZOGZAYZ2SPT5P5732TLXJEDE yuan p

          Isn’t it also ironic how they rally behind an ex marine, the exact same kind of person most of these people would probably be rallying against on any other day…

      • Anonymous

        “That’s the reason why most first-termers get out as soon as they can”

        Hmm, the statistics seem to say otherwise.  Damn lying statistics.  http://mldc.whs.mil/download/documents/Issue%20Papers/31_Enlisted_Retention.pdf

        [edit - OK, so they do show less 50% re-up rate, my bad. See below]

        • Anonymous

          Damn you, Doc.   I had to look through that to see that it confirms what I said. 

           What about “first-termers” do you not understand?    Check out the rates for “Zone A” reenlistment rate for troops with 17 months – six years of service.  It does not break 50% in any service.  And “Zone A” may include already career-inclined troops on their second term of enlistment.  Zone B and C are lifers.

          • Anonymous

            Damn you Chico, that’s what I get for posting before the caffeine kicks in.

            Still, you have to note the rates are climbing.  [feeble attempt to distract]

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZ5BM5GNLA54OADSWGSXAMA7SY Jay

            What options do they have when the military is paying far more than anything outside of it?

            The military is given $680 billion annually.  The prospects of jobs outside are paltry.  They stay in 20+ years and that’s a house payment.  The math’s pretty simple for why people are staying in.

          • Anonymous

            LOL, so our military members are a bunch of financially chained slaves.

            RIGGGHHHT.

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZ5BM5GNLA54OADSWGSXAMA7SY Jay

            As opposed to what they face in the private sector?  Which you’ve yet to comment on?

            RIGGGGGHHHT.

          • Anonymous

            I think that the ones that leave after one cycle don’t necessarily leave because they hate the organization, and I would challenge that based on my 9 year’s experience.  I certainly saw folks that were eager to get out.  As the doc I saw some hoping for a medical out so they could get bene’s  they really didn’t deserve.  More common (no VERY common) in the Reserves compared to AD.  They didn’t hate the organization, they just loved entitlement.

            There were plenty who got out simply because they got what they wanted out of their first cycle – education, a start on college or education repayment, experience, whatever, and now had a handle on where they wanted to go and went there in the civilian world.  

            Then there are those who hadn’t a clue what they were getting into, didn’t realize life wasn’t fair and the military was one form of life.  Rather than deal with things, figure out how to play the game, they’d quit and grumble the whole time about how unfair everyone was to them.  Even Ernie Pyle recognized them.

            I certainly saw some get the raw end of the deal, and they didn’t deserve it.  It sucks.  But it happens everywhere.  There are legitimate channels for them to seek justice, which may or may not be served, if they so desire.  OR they can just suck it up and move on.  I really don’t think violent street demonstrations or hate blogs are appropriate avenues to deal with this issue.

          • Anonymous

            Your observations are all spot-on, but I would add that in military life you are sometimes subject to the arbitrary authority of people who should not be in charge of themselves, let alone others.

            These are the people who put the chickenshit, mickey mouse misery into daily life for your troops in the E1-E4 grades, in particular. 

            I worked for drunks, a-holes, backstabbers, screamers, and a Captain Queeg type.  While you and I can separate the men from the institution, a guy who was a private might not see it that way.

          • Anonymous

            Hell, that’s just as common in civilian life.  BFD.

      • Anonymous

        In any organization, there are folks who resent the organization.  They rarely stay in the organization long.  Sometimes the resentment predates their leaving, sometimes it forms in the separation process. It seems this fellow more likely falls into the latter, but data is still sketchy.

        I got shafted in my life more than once in uniformed and civilian organizations.  But I reserve my disdain for the individuals in the organization, sometimes groups of them making up the “command” of the organizations, but not necessarily the entire organization.

        The Merciless Sisters are an exception for me.  There are many within their organizations that provide exemplary service, but boy you can get royally and mercilessly screwed by the nuns and their CEO’s if you piss them off, or more commonly are in the way of their ruthless power and profit motive.  I’d rather deal with the military.  At least they have written rules they sometimes abide by.  (And yes, oh ye devout Catholics, this is ONE of the reasons I have little regard for the hypocritical Catholic Administrative Hierarchy).

  • Anonymous

    I would really like to find out what this guy’s real military record is.  Since he’s hooked in with VVAW, there’s a really good chance that he either wasn’t ever actually in the Marines, was in the Marines but never completed training, or was kicked out for doing something really illegal.

  • jim_m

    I’d be interested in how he got an Administrative Discharge from the Marine Corps.  The Marines aren’t talking.  I’ll wager the truth won’t make him look that good.

    It seems that Oakland PD claim that Olsen may have been hit with a projectile thrown from the OWS crowd. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbp0uXmpUDI&feature=player_embedded

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZ5BM5GNLA54OADSWGSXAMA7SY Jay

      1:56  There’s no big rock or anything that could be viewed upon as a large projectile that could dent his head. You can’t even factor out the fact that the tear gas cannister may have damaged the wound.

  • Anonymous

    “My site is anonymous….”Translation:  You can spout any bullshit you want.  No one can check up on you.

  • Anonymous

    Out of the fried pan, into the fire.

  • http://otisthehand.blogspot.com/ OTIS the hand

    I just want to be sure I’ve got this straight. If you are a veteran, that gives you license to riot, scuffle with the police, refuse to obey lawful orders of the police, and shields you from all criticism or prosecution. In the event you get injured, it could not possibly be your fault, because you are a veteran. Everyone else at the rally may be a douchebag, but this guy is righteous. He is a veteran. No impure thoughts could ever cross his mind. Is that about right? Funny how being a veteran or a soldier never seems to shield one in other circumstances. Like making split-second judgment calls in the heat of battle.

    No one has said how he was injured. He was “hit by an object.” No one knows who threw it, or what it was. But the protestors assert it was thrown by police. Honest. They would never, ever, ever lie to advance their agenda.

    • Anonymous

      “Funny how being a veteran never seems to shield one in other circumstances. Like making split-second judgment calls in the heat of battle.”

      Like in a ‘Tikrit’  obscure launchpad hotel for example.  I suspect as I did earlier that it came from a fellow  turd dropper. Probably trying to hit a Cop and missed.

    • Anonymous

      Not exactly Jeff, you get the license to riot, scuffle, refuse to comply and are shielded from criticism and prosecution by virtue of being an easily led moron and tool to the cause of the left.

      Being an ex-military moron and tool of the left means that when you get your skull cracked open for it, the left will prop you up and stand on your corpse hoping to get extra propaganda value for your trouble.

       

  • Anonymous

    Gotta love it! Mikey Moore on CNN blabbing about the evil capitalist system we live under and how him and his gang are going to stop it..

  • http://otisthehand.blogspot.com/ OTIS the hand

    MSNBC forgets the cardinal rule of attorneys and propagandists. “Never ask a question unless you already know the answer.”

    • Anonymous

      So if I go hold up a seven eleven with a beer bottle, bash the clerk over the head and leave, the cops won’t/should not bother with Me cause I acted appropriately??  Now I get it!

      • http://otisthehand.blogspot.com/ OTIS the hand

        Only if the clerk happens to be in riot gear. I mean, that is what riot gear is for isn’t it?

        • Anonymous

          Don’t know? Never attended one.

  • Anonymous

    As a former Marine I can only say that I hope this shitbird is treated as all such should be treated.  Nuff said.

    • Anonymous

      Justrand,  

      I recognize your Puller avatar.  I also understand what the “former” moniker really means.  Which is sooo politically incorrect these days… as in the ditty: Once a Marine – Always a Marine.  

      Best guess what?  In my book – to hell with the PC… your generation earned the right to characterize yourselves as any kinda of Marines you damn well please. 

      Semper Fidelis-

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_425GVKQCLFZMQYYENR7CJBRDVA jb

      Yeah! He TOTALLY deserves to have his skull fractured by a tear gas can fired directly at his head, while peacefully protesting. Especially after having volunteered and served two terms. AND anyone who jumps into save him also deserve to be flash-grenaded.

      The fact that the disagrees with you TOTALLY negates any sort of patriotism he might have. Which in turn removes any sort of respect or consideration as a human being.

      Right?

  • Anonymous

    “Poll: Approval For Obamacare Among Americans Down To 34%, Support Dropping Fastest Among Democrats”

    Now he just needs to find a more private place to defecate?  Mulberry patch anyone??

    • http://otisthehand.blogspot.com/ OTIS the hand

      “Support Dropping Fastest Among Democrats”

      Don’t you just love that? “Oopsie. Sorry about that. My bad.” Now that they’ve totally screwed us.

    • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

      I was thinking more a poison ivy / poison oak patch…

  • Anonymous

    The guy did his time and deserves whatever respect comes with it, whether he enjoyed that period of his life or not.

    Still, being a vet doesn’t make him a saint.

    • jim_m

      Meh.  He served and received an Administrative Discharge rather than an honorable Discharge, which means that he left under some kind of cloud. 

      Being a vet and hating his country actually does make him a saint to the left.  They love jerks like John Kerry and John Murtha who serve and then betray their country.

      • Anonymous

        Didn’t know about the less than honorable discharge.

        Likely the marines didnt like him any more than he liked them.
         

        • Anonymous

          LN,  Ever watch a Walt Disney show?.  Back in the day, when he came on, he had a USMC Dishonorable Discharge prominently displayed on the wall behind him on the screen (take a close look next go round).  Oh yeah, its there, and he was proud of it too… being the non-conformest that he was… which is not necessarily a bad thing.  At least in my book.  You are who you are.

          Semper Fidelis-

          • jim_m

            The Administrative Discharge could be almost anything.  Of course the Corps is not allowed to say why.  My only thought is that it might be revealing as to why he hates the Corps.  If it were really something bad it would be a Bad Conduct or Dishonorable Discharge.  As it is I cannot find even whether it was a General or an Under Other Than Honorable Conditions Discharge. 

            PS:  The Disney story is bunk:  http://www.snopes.com/disney/waltdisn/discharge.asp

          • Anonymous

            Dang Jim_m, I learn something new every day.  Thanks fer the link.

            SF-

          • Anonymous

            I gotta say, its pretty damned hard to get out of the service without an honorable discharge.

            You pretty much have to go out of your way to cause whatever precedes a less than honorable discharge

  • Anonymous

    Chico,

    You loose credibility with me when you start citing movies from Hollywood that supposedly depict the military, and the Marines in particular.  As far as re-enlistment rates… you must of been in the Army, huh?  In the US Army – Staff Sergeants drive trucks and walk post with rifles; they even have more Colonels than Sergeants Majors. WTF?  I’m just not picking on the Army… the Air Scouts have more Lieutenants than Airmen, and in the Cost Guard – the Admiral to Seaman ratio is just lopsided as hell.  In the Navy, used to be you could retire after 20 years as a 3rd Class Petty Officer (E-4).  WTF? How the hell does anything ever get accomplished with such crewed up structures?  The Marine Corps is different. 

    What you fail to understand about the Marines is that its rank structure is built solely on the needs of the Corps.  Its highly competitive.  And if you haven’t experienced it, you’d be amazed how professional and motivated a Marine Sergeant really is.  Back in the day, a Corporal of Marines (E-4), was of higher rank than more than half of the Corps (50%)… and that was at the end of his first four year enlistment (2 additional years would be spent in the reserves, or FMCR, of a typical 6 year first enlistment contract – which you call Zone “A”). 

    Well guess what there Chico.  The competition for Sergeant was, and still is, quite fierce.  Only half the Corporals ever make it.  The other 50% have to go home.  Half the Sergeants get promoted to Staff Sergeant, and the other half go home.  Ditto for ever enlisted rank continuing up through Sergeants Major/Master Gunnery Sergeant (E-9).  So what’s half of a half of a half of a half of a half of a half (E-4 through E-9)  Do the math.  Ya get the picture yet?

    Not only do you have to be very good at what you do and be able to demonstrate performance in a billet at the next higher grade and duties… you also have to have a promotion allocation quota become available to compete for… in order to be even be considered by the promotion board.   In my case, for example, I was a Staff Sergeant (E-6) for a decade (10 year, 9 months actually) before a promotion quota even became available that allowed me to compete for the next higher rank of Gunnery Sergeant (E-7) against my peers (and remember, only half make the cut –  and the other half go home).  So what you completely miss here Chico, with your Zone A hooey is (at least in the Corps),  you not only have to be good at what you do… you also have to be very lucky in the timing, as the needs of the Corps comes first – everything else is recognizant.  

    Without such acknowledgement of the needs of the Corps – you’d have 50,000 Sergeants in the Corps! and 50,000 Staff Sergeants!  Which can’t be right, could it… unless you are putting the tripe structure of the other branches of service onto the Marines.  The Corps’ structure is built like a spear, with Privates being the most common at the bottom, and Generals at the top, with a smooth tapered rank structure in between… the other branches of the service they look like… hell, I don’t know how else to visually describe it….except perhaps a donut???  WTF.  Which is how you get Doggie Staff Sergeants driving trucks.    

    Last time I looked, the average rank structure for all the services (add up all the E-1s through O-10s)  was a 1st Class Petty Officer (E-6) for the Navy,  Sergeant for the Army (E-5), Staff Sergeant for the Air Force (also E-5), but a Lance Corporal (E-3) in the Corps.  WTF  Who the hell does all the work in them other services?  In the Corps its Privates… and its run by the Corporals.  

    Saved round.  In 1977 when I first enlisted… the Corps minted 50,000 new Privates and 2nd Lieutenants. Care to take a SWAG how many of them transferred to the USMC retirement rolls 30 years later?  In 2007, that’d be 300.  I know, cause I was one of em.  So when they talk about the few, the proud, the Marines… They’re really talking about them retired devil dogs.

    And just so you know,  unlike the Army and Air Force – Marines cannot retire at 20.  At 20 years of service – they may transfer to the Fleet Marine Corps Reserve (FMCR) and remain there drawing “retainer pay” until they reach what would of been 30 years of active service… only then do they get transferred to the retirement rolls from the reserves – and begin to draw “retirement pay.”  

    Semper Fidelis-
    MGySgt USMC Ret

  • Anonymous

    Saved round.  Every four years the Corps effectively replaces 100% of its manpower structure… which in its active force today amounts to around 200,000 Marines.  So the average Marine is about a 20 year old Corporal.  Chew on that, and then consider what it takes to have the honor and privilege to serve for a full 30+ years and into your 50s…. 

    For you 50 year old stud muffins out there, them 18 year old Privates will seem to run the 3 mile Physical Fitness Test (PFT) faster and faster every passing year …could you compete?  Heh.

    Semper Fidelis-

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_AXDLBHGWBWIDXWT2LH62AO7I4M Real American

    Now the smearing of war heroes begins. The right wing never forgives the sin of not toting the right wing line.