I’m hoping an Obama supporting family member will try to convert me

December 22, 2011 | Filed under 2012 Presidential Race,Dumbasses,Useful Idiots | Posted by

The President wants converts over the Holidays and he’s enlisting his koolaid drinkers to engage.

Bring it you gullible fools:

Via Deb Baumgartner.

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  • http://www.rustedsky.net Anonymous

    If anything, the Obama supporters in my family have really backed off on the political stuff.  Each year I could count on ‘Bushisms’ calendars, and there was a lot of gloating when Obama was elected.

    And then the gloating ceased about six months in.  I brought up the subject of politics about two years back, and my sister-in-law looked disgusted and replied “Let’s not talk about that.”

    Thing is, she was a CPA for quite a while, for a major company.  She ‘retired’ about a decade back, but the principles haven’t changed, 2+2=4 and at the end of the day the books have to balance, and she can see for herself that the books aren’t balancing at all, that the deficits she bitched about under Bush have grown astronomically while he’s doing what he can to actually stifle job growth.

    I’m thinking she’ll be an ABO voter.  She might not like the conservative candidate, but she dislikes Obama even more. 

    And as far as politics go, we still don’t talk about them… and that’s fine. 

    • jim_m

      My parents were huge obama supporters but have mostly shut up about politics.  The only difficulty is my sister and myself keeping our mouths shut and not keeping a refrain of “I told you so”.

  • herddog505

    Is it just me, or is there something kind of “yech” about the president making commercials about how his supporters can “support” him amongst their family members?  It’s one thing to run a campaign – every politician does that – but this is starting to resemble a cult of personality.

    At any rate, there’s only one democrat in my family, and (as JLawson writes) she’s gotten to where she “doesn’t want to talk about it”.

    • http://www.rustedsky.net Anonymous

      Well, that’s kind of the way I’ve been thinking about Obama’s Presidency.  It doesn’t matter what he proposes, there’s going to be people thinking he’s the best thing ever – even if they get royally screwed by the proposed programs.  And then there were the ‘If you love me, pass my bill” moments…

      WTF?  “If you love me”?

      You gotta wonder after a while if Obama’s buying into his own hype.

      As it is, I’m watching the Republican ‘selection’ process – does it seem to anyone else that it more resembles ‘American Idol’ than a sober deliberation of the actual qualities and proposals of the candidates against what the country’s facing today?

      Ah, well.  It’ll all work out some way or another.  I’ll be voting for the Republican candidate, not a third party (even if I think the third party one is the nominal best) because I seriously don’t want another 4 years of Obama. I’ll take ‘good enough’ over ‘perfect’ any day of the week.

      • Anonymous

        Is Obama buying into his own hype?

        He’s creating it and it is not based in reality.
        For example:

        ” In fact, I am proud to say that no US administration has done more in support
        of Israel’s security than ours. None. Don’t let anyone else tell you otherwise.
        It is a fact,” President Obama told a Jewish group on Friday. [12/16]

        Or this: ” …I would put our legislative and foreign policy accomplishments in our first two
        years against any president – with the possible exceptions of Johnson, FDR, and
        Lincoln – just in terms of what we’ve gotten done in modern history.”

        • http://www.rustedsky.net Anonymous

          It’s one thing to create a falsehood – it’s another to believe it.  If he’s believing his own hype, then there’s a real problem. 

          Well, not like there isn’t one already…

          • jim_m

            Next we will be hearing how obama shot 38 under par with 11 hole in ones.

            I’m starting to think that the man is mentally ill.

          • herddog505

            Given that the seas automatically started to recede and the planet started to heal just by his simple act of getting elected, why would it be hard to believe that he’s such a great golfer?

            It’s not like he doesn’t practice a lot …

          • jim_m

            Yeah, he’s had all the water hazards drained.

            /snark

        • Oysteria

          Don’t forget:  A solid B+

        • Anonymous

          Is Obama buying into his own hype?  Obama took out a loan and is paying interest on his own hype.

  • Anonymous

    My guess is you (Lawson, Herddog) don’t live in blues states, or at least not true-blue states. Here in CT we still have an abundant crop of happy, excited Obama supporters. I can’t explain that for you, but then I also can’t explain why people living in a state with hilly terrain and temperatures that drop below freezing (and even zero) for extended periods over the course of winter would want to own/drive hybrid and electric cars… no doubt there is some linkage however.

    • http://www.rustedsky.net Anonymous

      Sub-lethal carbon monoxide poisoning, perhaps?  Have they had their furnaces checked?

    • herddog505

      I’ve read that many criminals lack foresight, the ability to understand / foresee the consequences of their actions.

      In this regard (as well as the belief that it’s virtuous to take somebody’s money because he’s “rich”), democrats are very like criminals: they can’t foresee the consequences of their actions.  Just as a crook can’t see past the immediate gratification of having money after robbing a convenience store, dems can’t see past the immediate gratification of buying a “green” car to save Mother Gaia or of winning an election.

      • Anonymous

        Sooooooo then democrats are “very like” criminals? Would you care to support that with ANY data? 

        I could say that I feel the same way about republican/conservatives but then that would be very uninformed and stupid of me so I won’t.

        • herddog505

          Quite aside from the fact that, as I wrote above, dems have the idea that it’s perfectly fine to take money from another person because he’s rich, how else to explain the fetish dems have for giving the vote to felons other than confidence that crooks vote democrat?  There is some research to back this up:

          By any measure, felons overwhelmingly vote for Democrats.

          Academic work by Jeff Manza and Marcus Britton of Northwestern University and Christopher Uggen of the University of Minnesota estimated that Bill Clinton pulled 86 percent of the felon vote in 1992 and a whopping 93 percent in 1996. 

          Obviously, these are average numbers. More heavily Democratic areas such as Minneapolis-St. Paul would very likely have percentages of felons voting for Democrats that are above these rates. If heavily Democratic Minneapolis-St. Paul were just 3 percentage points above the average, than felon voting in just this one county gave Franken his win.

          Other evidence suggests that Manza and Britton’s study underestimates the rate that felons vote for Democrats. In my own work, I examined a Public Opinion Strategies survey that interviewed 602 adults in Washington State in May 2005. 

          Of the respondents, 102 were felons who had their voting rights restored, while 500 were non-felons. Even after accounting for other differences that predict how people vote — race, gender, education level, religious habits, employment, age, and county of residence — felons were 36 percent more likely than non-felons, with the same characteristics, to have voted for John Kerry over George W. Bush and 37 percent more likely to be registered Democrats.

          African-American and Asian felons in Washington reported that they voted exclusively for Kerry.

          http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2010/07/12/john-lott-senator-al-franken-minnesota-felons-democrat/

          Now, obviously, not all democrats are criminals or even would-be criminals any more than all Republicans are would-be klan members who want to pollute the air and water, sell the country to Wall Street, and send minorities to fight and die in Iran in the service of Wall Street and our Joooooo masters.  However, I must say that I’ve been much amused when dems have let the mask slip and admit that they are (ahem) a little disappointed when Barry has done things like get (stay?) in bed with Wall Street, bomb Libya, fail to close Gitmo, not pay their mortgage and fuel bills, etc.:

          “How could you not see this coming???  Oh, wait… it’s that whole lack of foresight thing.  Got it.”

          • Anonymous

            I’m sorry but when you cite Fox News Opinion (actually pretty much all of Fox News is opinion) as a source your argument loses all credibilty with the regular world.

            One question. Are felons only democrats?

          • jim_m

            And your laughable comment about FOX news reveals you to be a brainless crank that accepts far left fever swamp conspiracy theories uncritically and without any thought.

            Thanks for self identifying as a tinfoil hat loon.

          • herddog505

            Obviously not.

            BTW, though it’s an opinion piece, Lott cites various studies and surveys including some of his own work, i.e. actual data.

            Grass is green, the sun rises in the east, and water is wet whether or not these things are written in an opinion piece, news article, government report, textbook, or even blog post.

          • jim_m

            Only an ass (Hugh_G) would dispute that felons vote heavily democrat.  There have been multiple studies on this and the dems are continually making efforts to give the right to vote back to felons.  Why would they do that if they thought that felons would vote GOP?

            But what is the opinion of a Univ of Chicago Economist, and a couple of Northwestern Univ professors.  These are certainly third tier institutions with no credibility.  I mean, it’s not like the econ faculty at U of C have ever won 26 Nobel prizes for Economics or anything.  Heck, they must let anyone teach there.  We can dismiss Lott’s ideas out of hand without any examination.

          • Anonymous

            Can you point out where I disputed it?

            When it doubt – go ad hominem. Oh well.

          • jim_m

            One question. Are felons only democrats?

            When in doubt reread your own posts.

          • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/EU5DQWQTTHTPO4A4ZYSL3AAV2U Adjoran

            No, not all felons are Democrats.  But you guys hate to talk about that 1% . . .

        • http://www.rustedsky.net Anonymous

          Hugh_G – I don’t know about you, but when I look at the current crop of Dem leadership, I see people who are trying hard to maximize their chances in the next election, doing whatever they can with no thought of long-term consequences.  They’re not looking beyond the election – the future doesn’t matter to them, what does matter is getting elected however they can manage.

          Felon sees something they’d like – they take it.  That it’s against the law doesn’t matter, that they might go to jail for it doesn’t matter.  Chalk it up to whatever you want, poor impulse control, bad upbringing or whatever – but the future consequences of their actions don’t figure into the equation.

          • herddog505

            In all fairness, the same may be said about the GOP leadership.*  The dems are running the car off a cliff; the GOP is saying, “Hey, not quite so fast!”

            —-

            (*) Is there a term for people who are in positions of authority who are transparently selfish, dishonest and incompetent?

            Oh, yeah: “Congress”.

          • http://www.rustedsky.net Anonymous

            I at least see some forms of rationality inside the GOP leadership, IE the acknowledgement that we’ve got to start reining in spending… though that’s more from the back seat of the party.  They haven’t got their hands on the wheel yet, and can’t do much.

            Term limits might be the only answer.

          • herddog505

            I’m starting to become partial to stoning.

          • jim_m

            I’m starting to become partial to stoning.

            Bob Dylan was in favor of it. 

            Oh wait that was getting stoned.  Never mind.

          • Anonymous

            Your comment about Dem leadership is interesting in that the leader of Repubs. in the Senate has stated that his #1, I’ll say it again, “1 priority is to see that Obama is not elected. That’s doing the peoples’ work isn’t it?

            JL., he who lives in a glass house should (really) not throw stones.

          • Anonymous

            “1 priority is to see that Obama is not elected. That’s doing the peoples’ work isn’t it?”

            Yeah. Actually it is. Defending them from a huckster  is a very noble undertaking.  

          • http://www.rustedsky.net Anonymous

            The first thing to do when someone’s ripping you off and stealing your future is to stop them. For all the ire directed against the ‘rich’, and ‘corporations’, and all the hype for ‘income equality’ – I’m seeing a hell of a lot more theft from those pushing attention at the ‘rich’ and so on than we’re seeing from the rich.

            But then, Orwell was right with the ‘Some animals are more equal than others’ thing, wasn’t he? WE dare not even think that Obama might not be a Godhead personified, with every thought and decision complete and perfect. And when things go wrong… it’s never HIS fault, because his intentions are pure and holy.

            Kipling had it right in “The Gods of the Copybook Headings”.

            In the Carboniferous Epoch we were promised abundance for all,
            By robbing selected Peter to pay for collective Paul;
            But, though we had plenty of money, there was nothing our money could buy,
            And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: “If you don’t work you die.”

            Then the Gods of the Market tumbled, and their smooth-tongued wizards withdrew
            And the hearts of the meanest were humbled and began to believe it was true
            That All is not Gold that Glitters, and Two and Two make Four
            And the Gods of the Copybook Headings limped up to explain it once more.

            Or, to put it in a shorter form, Reality is a cold bitch that doesn’t care how eloquent or persuasive you are.

            At this point – it’s time to limit damage. The first thing to do with a thief who’s robbing you is to stop his theft. And that starts with getting Obama out of office.

    • Anonymous

      “Here in CT we still have an abundant crop of happy, excited Obama supporters.”

      Same here in Ma, UOG, where we have Obama-lite doing the same things on a smaller scale. (See Evergreen, for example). But the daffy Obama supporters remain thrilled.

      In my small town, we have a local democrat party organization run by a former friend. She fully supports the OCW protests, loathes the so-called 1%, hates the evil capitalists, and then heads off to her second home on the Cape.

      • herddog505

        Socialism is NEVER for the socialists.

        • jim_m

          I’ve long contended that I would love to be a communist dictator.  You don’t have to live under communism. You get to reap the benefit of all the labor of the oppressed masses.

          I honestly think that this is the appeal of communism to the left.  They presume that they will not be the oppressed, but as party apparatchiks they will be able to reap the benefit of the labors of the rest of us. 

          • herddog505

            While being a dictator certainly has appeal, I don’t think I could be a socialist or communist dictator as I would not be able to stop laughing whenever I had to make a speech about doing this or that “for the workers”.  It sort of takes away from the dignity of the office, if you see what I mean.  Plus, the proles might get the idea that I really DON’T care about them, that it’s really all about me.

            Which, of course, it would be.
            ;-)

    • Stephen

      Maybe it’s a situation where millions of americans are now covered by health care insurance where they weren’t before.

      You know — obamacare. It’s saving lives.

      • Anonymous

        Either you’re just “funnin” us or you haven’t been paying attention. The government is only collecting money at this point. Benefits are still somewhere down the line (2014).

        No, CT is a true-blue state, with true-blue believers. Reality doesn’t color their opinion… they are true-blue. Picture a Prius, with Coexist, Obama ’08, He Lied, They Died and Visualize World Peace bumper stickers. Think delusional.

  • http://otisthehand.blogspot.com/ OTIS the hand

    Great message. Never listen to your grandparents, they don’t know anything. Their wisdom pales in comparison to yours.

  • Oysteria

    Are they supposed to “argue with them” and “get in their faces”?  And please, please, tell me what it is that Obama has done, what exactly have they seen over the last 3 years from Obama, that they want more of – so much so that these kids family members have converted?

    I would love for a visiting family member (likely my brother) to try and convert me over the holiday so I can ask them the same question.  What is it that they like so much?  The ballooning debt?  The deficit?  The stubbornly high unemployment?  The inflation?  The threat of higher and higher energy costs?  The uncertainty of their own job stability because of drowning regulations for their company?  The eroding foreign relations we have with traditional allies?  The politicizing of tradionally non-partisan government departments?  Exactly what are they so happy with that they want four more years?

    • Anonymous

      If you’re lucky enough to find out what they like so much, do us a favor
      and post it here on Wizbang.

      I’d sure like to know the answer.

    • herddog505

      I think I can answer your question:

      “Bush did it, too!!!” or “Bush was worse!!!”

    • http://www.rustedsky.net Anonymous

      But don’t you understand that intent is FAR more important than any consequences?  As long as the intent behind the act is good, how can the results be bad?

      (Yeah, I know better, and you know better, but there’s a lot of people to whom intent is the ONLY thing that’s important.)

  • http://2012.ak4mc.us/ McGehee

    “…and the number one most popular reason why people plan to vote to re-elect President Obama:”

    <drum roll>

    “Because I’m brain-dead!”

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZ5BM5GNLA54OADSWGSXAMA7SY Jay

    There is no difference between voting for Romney or Obama.  And I just hope that Newt will NEVER get the nomination.  But like Perry, he’s good at destroying his own campaign.

  • Anonymous

    Gee, isn’t it funny that about 50% of the country approve what he’s doing. Oh, so I suppose they are the “brain-dead” ones. Or is it the criminals? Geez I get so confused about all of those reasons why democrats are so damn bad.

    If I were like you all I’d be getting a little worried as your train wreck of a nomination process rolls out one incompetent poll leader after another. All it takes is 2 hours on TV for him/him to be exposed as the flip-flopper or the hypocrite or the dumb ass some of them are.

    But hey there’s hope. St. Sarah of the Tundra is making gurgling noises again.

    • http://www.shockandblog.com/ Jinx McHue

      “Douchebag,” I name thee.  Ill logic is an ill guest.

      • Anonymous

        Aha – when in doubt call someone a name. Ill mannered is, well, ill mannered whether a guest or a host.

        • http://www.shockandblog.com/ Jinx McHue

          “when in doubt call someone a name”

          You mean like “St. Sarah of the Tundra is making gurgling noises again?”  I reiterate: “Douchebag, I name thee.”

          • Anonymous

            You sound like my 12 yo grandson. You get off on those kind of words?

            And just so you have a modicum of understanding – I’m not having a discussion WITH St. Sarah. Try looking up ad hominem. You lost the argument with your first sentence.

          • http://www.shockandblog.com/ Jinx McHue

            Oh, I see. When you’re not having a discussion with someone, then it’s okay to insult them, but when someone directly calls you out on being a complete nincompoop (that word better for your thin, delicate skin, princess?), then it’s wrong.  Classic Liberalism 101.

          • Anonymous

            As for St. Sarah, what can I say. The insults could go on for pages!!!! And they’d all fit.

            Buying any snake oil from that grifter?

          • jim_m

            It may be your lunatic fevered opinion that they fit but I doubt you will find much agreement here.  I’m guessing you are one of the assholes that think Trig is her daughter’s son.

          • Anonymous

            Hey I’m so busy responding to the fevered ad hominems I don’t have time to do anything else.(re your reply below). And I only insult St. Sarah and most of your candidates for president, i.e the grifter section – Gingrich and the guy who was fooled by a simple question about Libya. 

            Whew- and when it comes to insults, I don’t suppose you read or write about the ones written on this blog about President Obama on a daily basis?And no I don’t believe Trig is her daughter’s son. What I believe is that she’s a grifter. She’s incredibly ignorant about the world and she knows how to make money. The making money part is way OK.

          • jim_m

            Hugh_G finds it easier to insult conservatives than he does answering specifics or dealing with data.  And like most libs he finds it very difficult to deal with receiving the same kind of treatment he deals out to others.

    • Anonymous

      “All it takes is 2 hours on TV for him/him to be exposed as the flip-flopper or the hypocrite or the dumb ass some of them are.”

      And then they can explain how they differ from Obama.

    • davidt

      “But hey there’s hope. St. Sarah of the Tundra is making gurgling noises again.”

      That gurgling noise is Palin living rent-free in your head.

      Palin makes a comment that it’s not too late for someone to enter the race and all of a sudden it’s, “She might be thinking she might consider she might get into the race! Gurgle, gurgle, gurgle!”

      She owns you fools.

      • Anonymous

        Quite to the contrary. A: Only some of us are fools as are some of you ( I happen not to be).

        B: She owns none of us, fools included. She’s not smart enough or knowledgeable enough to own “us” “elites”. Actually she provides lots of comic relief. She has an incredible amount of “street smarts” and is a grifter on a level rarely surpassed – except maybe Gingrich and who was that guy who is no longer around that so many many loved who was dumbfounded when asked about Libya?

        • http://2012.ak4mc.us/ McGehee

          <gently pats Hugh’s arm>

          You just keep telling yourself that, bless your heart.

        • Anonymous

          She scares your pants off you little trollip. hahahahahahahahaha

          • Anonymous

            Well actually, she is awful good looking. You betcha!

        • davidt

          “She owns none of us, fools included.”

          She’s got you making comments about her in a comment thread attached to an article which has absolutely nothing to do with her.

          She owns you, fool.

        • Anonymous

          Aww…Bless your heart, Hugh.  Merry Christmas

          • Anonymous

            Merry Christmas to you too. :)

    • jim_m

      Gee, isn’t it funny that about 50% of the country approve what he’s doing.

      Yep,  As long as the media is willing to skew their polling to generate the results they want to publish: http://hotair.com/archives/2011/12/20/obama-rebounding-2/

      It’s easy to give obama a 4% bump in the polls when you increase the number of dems by 4%.

      And his approval index rating is still -14 on Rasmussen: http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

      Yep. People are just wild about the job he is doing.

    • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/EU5DQWQTTHTPO4A4ZYSL3AAV2U Adjoran

      50% approve of Obama in your wet dreams, right after you finish licking his anus.

      • Anonymous

        Wow!

        Maybe St Sarah but definitely not President Obama

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/EU5DQWQTTHTPO4A4ZYSL3AAV2U Adjoran

    My sister is a flaming lefty, big Obama supporter.  We NEVER discuss politics – she knows she has no answers for my arguments, but it doesn’t matter to her.  It’s almost a religious faith in the “compassion” of socialism for the “poor and downtrodden.”

    An old friend who worked her way through college as a part time student and won a scholarship to UVA Law lamented about her fiance and me:  “I can’t argue politics with you or Mike anymore – you know too many facts.”  I expect my sister’s reticence is similar.

  • Anonymous

    Now if only it could make Christopher Reeves walk or ‘the Swimmer’ confess,  or even bring back the 40 plus million aborted by liberal caring, we could truly call Obumma a miracle worker..

  • Anonymous

    redux

  • Anonymous

    This explains why my brother called me and wanted to suddenly talk politics the other night.

    Oh, man, am I PISSED right now!

  • Anonymous

    Mom voted for Obama, doesn’t want to talk politics anymore.  Dad votes straight Dem ticket, but even he took the Hope and Change bumper sticker off.

    Good thing we can all make fun of the Ronster…

  • Anonymous

    My family is all conservative which is probably why we all moved from Mass.Dad was calling it taxachusetts back in ’75 when we got out. 
    My wife’s family is a different story. Except for her parents,all her siblings and friends are varying degree’s of left side thinkers. One just got arrested with the OWS in NY. They all know I am conservative,yet they rarely every mention anything political around me. 
    It has been interesting to watch the few comments I catch from them get more and more to the political center over the last couple years. I don’t think anyone is going to get sucked into voting for an empty suit like Obama for quite a while. The Dems are stuck with him for now and will fight like hell to keep him,but they will be holding their nose while they do it.