Highway Robbery – Obama Style

The Chevy Volt, hyped by Government Motors as one of the most anticipated Electric Vehicles to hit the market, has, by all accounts, been a dismal failure.

Sales last year were projected to reach 10,000 units.

The actual total sold:  1,139   7,671.

So what’s the problem?  Could it be the $44,000 price tag?  Middle-class people looking for a new car don’t want to (or can’t) shell out that much money for a ride, especially during this economy.

Some blame safety concerns, like the car blowing up on impact.  Though that issue has apparently been rectified, it sure isn’t a shining selling-point.

Despite this numerical abortion, GM plans to roll out 60,000 units this year.

Good luck selling that many.

But GM does have an ace up it’s sleeve, thanks to Obama’s Chairman of the President’s Council on Jobs and Competitiveness (Better know as Obama’s ‘Job Czar’), General Electric Chairman, Jeffery Immelt. (Immelt has been doing a spectacular job, as is evidenced by our rosy employment boom.)

Go ahead.  Clean the spittle off your screens.

For a bit of background information on Czar Immelt’s corporate stewardship, his company, GE, paid NO income tax in 2010, even though it earned $14.2 billion in profits.  Zip, zero, nada.  Further more, under Mr. Immelt’s leadership, GE laid off 21,000 American workers and closed 20 factories between 2007 and 2009.  More than half of GE’s workforce is now outside the U.S.  HALF!!  This hack is the person Obama put in charge of resurrecting the U.S. workforce, specifically the manufacturing sector.

That’s politics, right?

Well, enter the Chevy Volt.

The Volt was Government Motor’s proof that the days of the dirty internal combustion engine were numbered.

Both GE and GM hyped the Volt as an Electric Vehicle (EV).  It does, however, also run on an internal combustion engine, using eeeeevil gasoline to power it when the driver/brainwashed tool wants/needs it.  Which means, technically, it is a hybrid.

I guess the old term ‘hybrid’ doesn’t sound quite as en-vogue as “Electric Vehicle.”

GE plans on purchasing 25,000 ‘EV’s’ by 2015, 12,000 of which will be the Chevy Volt.

Those purchases are eligible for the Obama federal $7,500 tax credit per car.  That amounts to a GE tax savings of $90,000,000 ($7,500 * 12,000 = $90,000,000).  And who’s footing the bill for that savings?  The US taxpayer.

(That doesn’t include individual states which offer their own tax credits on top of the federal one.)

Since Immelt’s company has paid no taxes, that directly effects his personal compensation and the company’s bottom line.  More money kept/more money earned, thanks to Obama.

Sweet deal.

I wonder how this tax credit works out for a company who pays no income tax?  Will the government cut GE a $90,000,000 tax rebate check?

Over the last few years, many other car manufacturers have or have attempted to roll-out their own hybrid/electric vehicles.  And since U.S. Governmental standards for MPG are AVERAGED over all autos produced by a company, it doesn’t matter how many are sold.  Whether GM sells 10 Volts or 1,000,000 Volts, it’s irrelevant, as long as the average MPG of all models offered meets the specified standards.  So the stagnant sales of these rechargeable cars is a moot point.

Neat trick.

As if this cozy relationship doesn’t already scream crony capitalism, Immelt’s GE just happens to be the sole manufacturer of all Chevy Volt electrical charging stations.  And in a stunning coincidence, the buyer (GE) is also entitled to a 50% credit for each station purchased.

That don’t taste right, chef.

GE pays no taxes, benefits handsomely from Obama’s tax credits, supplies the charging stations at half off the retail price, while shipping American jobs overseas and doing business with terror states like Iran.

You just can’t make this kind of stuff up.

Nope.  No conflict of interest here.  Move along, sheeple.

In addition to this full-blown crony-capitalism, some GM dealerships have been scamming the $7,500 tax credit with some scummy practices of their own.

Mark Modica, an investigator for the watchdog group National Legal and Policy Center, has learned  certain dealerships are buying Volts from other dealers, claiming first title to qualify for the incentive, and then reselling the vehicles at inflated prices, offering no credit.

Now, this latest action is, so far, limited to a small percentage of GM dealerships.  However, it shows just a little bit more of how flawed government hand-outs/incentives/entitlements can be easily twisted and corrupted.

All-in-all, the whole situation wreaks of favoritism and lucrative pay-offs for political support.

But don’t fret. Obama has declared algae to be the next big source of energy.

If that’s the case, there’s enough pond scum in Washington D.C. to solve our energy concerns for a loooong time.

 

(Ed. note:  Keen-eyed commenter Walter_Cronanty noted the initial sales figures I quoted were wrong.  The information I posted was for a monthly sales period, not yearly.  As per cnet news:  “Sales of the plug-in Chevy Volt hit 7,671 for calendar year 2011, falling short of GM’s target of selling 10,000 in its first full year of availability.” 

My thanks to Walter for the correction!)

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  • SoBeRight

    One of the drags on the Volt’s sales has been the misinformation campaign by the right that the car catches fire.

    Sean Hannity, rush Limbaugh and others have lied repeatedly about the Volt’s safety.

    That and the fact that the right hates America and especially hates American working people and bingo – you have a campaign against the Chevy Volt.

    It’s ok, this too shall pass. Americans are growing weary of the right’s childish ways.

    • Joe Lagle

      The right doesn’t hate America.  I’m so tired of libs spewing that BS.  What the right hates is government interference with the markets (i.e. the Chevy Volt and it’s subsidy)  Green energy is another boondoggle funded by the libs.  We want less government and less taxes across the board.  Keynes economics is a epic failure, time to move on!

      Joe

    • Sky__Captain

      I simply do not believe this.

      Again, Fish4Brains is the very first post to defend his ObamaMessiah with the standard talking points/misinformation.

      I figure Wizbang will eventually get tired of your childish ways, and you’ll soon be banned. Again.

      • SoBeRight

         Google it, then quit yer whining and apologize.

        • SoBeRight

          Conservative media have misrepresented the results of Chevy Volt crash tests, claiming the batteries “blow up” and are a “fire trap,” and suggesting that fires have occurred spontaneously during use. In fact, fires only occurred after crash tests and regulators concluded an inquiry after finding that Volts are just as safe as conventional cars.

          http://mediamatters.org/research/201201270003

          • http://www.wizbangblog.com David Robertson

            You want us to depend on Media Matters to tell us what to believe?
            ROTFLMAO

          • SoBeRight

            Tell us, David, what specifically did you find inaccurate about the Media Matters report?

            Are are you laughing because you can’t find anything wrong with what they wrote.

            We’re all waiting to hear your wisdom…

            ROTFLMAO!

          • jim_m

            If the post crash test fires were not a problem then why did GM redesign the car to reduce or eliminate the problem?  Just finding employment for their engineering staff?  I think not. 

          • SCSIwuzzy

            He relies on Media Matter, why shouldn’t you?

        • Sky__Captain

           Um, excuse me, I am addressing your quite unbelievable tendency to be the FIRST post in a thread criticizing your ObamaMessiah.

          No apology is offered.

      • SoBeRight

        Bob Lutz took Fox News and other media outlets to task in his latest blog for Forbes, titled “Chevy Volt and the Wrong-Headed Right”, with Lutz taking shots at Bill O’Reilly and Rush Limbaugh.

        Lutz’s article lists a number of facts regarding the crash tests and data on vehicle fires. But Lutz does claim that the Volt is ”…the most technologically advanced car on the planet, was conceived by me and my team well before any federal bailout of GM…”

        Whatever you think of the Volt, the damage done by the fire stories
        is undeniable. While charging a Volt in public this past December, a passerby made a remark warning me to steer clear because “those things catch fire”. The story has undoubtedly permeated the public conscience, regardless or whether it’s legitimate or just hype.

        http://www.forbes.com/sites/boblutz/2012/01/30/chevy-volt-and-the-wrong-headed-right/

        Thanks to folks like the good Captain, the right has a reputation for being the most un-informed people on the planet.

        Apology accepted.

        • Sky__Captain

          Again, Fish4Brains: no apology is offered.
          Ever.

          May you have yet another visit from Olaf’s Hammer.

          • Evil Otto

             It won’t matter. The little Democrat mouthpiece will just come back if banned. It’s what he does.

        • SCSIwuzzy

          Why do you edit so many of your comments after the fact?

          • SoBeRight

             Because I use lots of quotes in blockquote, and the formatting always gets wonky – but you can’t see that until ou post the comment.

            So I re-open and edit the comment to fix formatting errors.

            That’s about 80%. Another reason is typos that I fix, and occasionally I’ll add another comment or additional link.etc

            There are one or two asshats who always claim that I”m radicially changing the content,but then they’ve never once NOT ONCE been able to show where that ws the case – just mokeys flinging off-toipic poo..

            Hope that answers your question SCSI. See if you can stay on topic from now on, ok? There are quite half-witted airheads who cant’ seem to comment on the topic at hand but love to follow me around like trolls. I”m doing my best to quiet them down and get them back on topic.

          • SCSIwuzzy

            You’re incapable of being civil.  You’ve made that clear.

      • SoBeRight

         Here’s an image off FreeRepublic

      • SoBeRight

         An image passed around on the right wing clown parade blogosphere.

        • Sky__Captain

          Again, may Olaf visit his Hammer upon your obnoxious little head.

      • SoBeRight

        Obviously, a very high profile vehicle like the Chevy Volt is going to be under the microscope. So it’s understandable that people would be interested in the recent fires that involve the new extended range electric vehicle.

        A handful of fires in early production Tata Nanos in India were publicized around the world, because of interest in the cheapest car in the world. However, that attention doesn’t mean that the Nano or Volt are necessarily fire hazards.

        A number of people have reacted to the news of the Volt related fires by saying that the Volt is dangerous or that EVs in general are not safe. Some sites that have linked to Cars In Depth posts about those fires have grossly misrepresented the situation, blaming the Volt when investigations have barely been started.

        Before you say that the Chevy Volt is a fire hazard, let’s look at how hazardous conventional internal combustion powered automobiles actually are.

        Here’s the reality. There have been 3 fires that have involved Chevy Volts since April 2011. One fire was traced to another ignition source, a second fire may have involved a Siemens charger – the investigation is proceeding, and the third fire occurred in a NHTSA storage lot after a Volt was crash tested at 40mph. Three fires in 8 months, none of them while the car was being driven.

        Compare those three fires in eight months to the 31 highway vehicle fires per hour that the National Fire Protection Association says is normal for gasoline and diesel powered vehicles.

        Fires in gasoline and diesel powered cars and trucks kill about one person per day in America. Almost a fifth, 17%, of all reported fires in the US involve highway vehicles and those fires are responsible for 12% of fire fatalities. Nearly 75% of the fires were caused by mechanical or electrical malfunctions.

        http://www.rokemneedlearts.com/carsindepth/wordpressblog/?p=5332

        • SCSIwuzzy

          Even if we assume this blogger is right, and only 3 fires in 11 months…
          Adjust that against the number on the road.
          Then compare that to any other vehicle from Ford, GM, Toyota, Hyundai etc.
          How many other vehicles have a similar rate of catching fire in the garage/driveway/curbside?

    • Mr Kimber

      Fish, you are a poster child for why some abortioins ARE necessary. Such a twerp!! You never fail to miss what is so obvious to normal people. It’s not the Volt…it’s having it shoved down our throat without even a “may I” .

      • SoBeRight

        The first 4 paragraphs of this article

        The Chevy Volt, hyped by Government Motors as one of the most anticipated Electric Vehicles to hit the market, has, by all accounts, been a dismal failure.

        Sales last year were projected to reach 10,000 units.

        The actual total sold:  1,139.

        So what’s the problem?  Could it be the $44,000 price tag?  Middle-class people looking for a new car don’t want to (or can’t) shell out that much money for a ride, especially during this economy.

        My reply began with “One of the drags on the Volt’s sales has been the misinformation campaign by the right that the car catches fire.”

        and after some ass clown said I was lying I had to show the ass clown the evidence that supported my claim – my claim which was posted in response to the questions posed by the writer of this article.

        You, sir, are a poster child for a new pair of glasses :) or some reading comprehension tutoring…

        • Mr Kimber

          I don’t care about the Volt…it won’t sell now because it’s too expensive and not reliable enough. If it works people will buy it…ya, know…free market. It’s you…like the brother/sis I never wanted. I mean why do you even come here…Must be getting paid.

      • http://www.facebook.com/Stan25 Stan Brewer

        It’s not the Volt…it’s having it shoved down our throat without even a “may I” .

         

        They don’t even give you a choice of using Vaseline or  KY Jelly.

    • http://www.wizbangblog.com David Robertson

      The right hates working people? Since when? And define “working people”.

      • SoBeRight

        The right’s attack on unions, for example.

        • http://www.wizbangblog.com David Robertson

          Working people are also people who aren’t union members.

          • SoBeRight

            I didn’t say they attack ALL working people — only the hard-working Americans who traditionally vote Democratic.

          • SCSIwuzzy

            Having been in more than one union, I’d say the per cap of hard working union members is lower than the rate for the population at large.
            / rimshot 

    • The_Weege_99

      The only correct thing you said was that it was misinformation that the car catches fire in a crash or immediately after a crash. The battery did catch fire days after a crash test. That is the fact. And the only fact in your post.

      But blaming the right for pushing the misinformation is incorrect, because all the media outlets reported the same thing.

      As for the rest of your idiocy about the right, that is the childishness.

    • SCSIwuzzy

      44K can get you a much nicer car than the Volt.  Or get the car that suits your household needs for much less.
      That is why people aren’t rushing out to buy a Volt.  Only people that need to be seen being green are buying into it.Environmentally, most modern diesels are better for Mother Earth than the Volt.

  • http://www.facebook.com/Stan25 Stan Brewer

    Where is JT and his troll hammer when it is needed? The Wizbang world is wondering. For that reason alone and others, I am looking forward to the day of his return. 

    • Laura Mulholland

       I, too, look forward to Jay Tea’s return.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_W6UJJOM4PP4XLSBG6N4LROVSQE Retired Military
  • Walter_Cronanty

     Shawn, your numbers are wrong.  When you go to the article linked, you’ll find that 1,139 Volts were sold “last month”, not in the entire year of 2011 which you imply by writing:
    “Sales last year were projected to reach 10,000 units.The actual total sold:  1,139.”
    When you go to the article linked, it reads: “Chevrolet Volt
    will miss its sales target of 10,000 cars this year, the company
    said. While dealers sold 1,139 of the plug-in hybrids last
    month, the company is more than 3,800 shy of its 2011 goal.” 
    Thus, it appears that GM actually sold under 6,200 for the year of 2011.

    • Walter_Cronanty

       Well, I screwed up, too.  The article is dated December 1, 2011.  It appears that GM sold 7,671 Volts in 2011.
      http://news.cnet.com/8301-11128_3-57352046-54/chevy-volt-misses-first-year-sales-target/

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_W6UJJOM4PP4XLSBG6N4LROVSQE Retired Military

        and that is with the taxpayer subsidy. THink of the massive numbers that would have sold without it.

        Meanwhile Ford sells about 7k Fiestas in 2 months.

        • Walter_Cronanty

           Without the subsidy, sales would be where they should be.

    • http://wizbangblog.com/ Shawn

      Whoops.

      Thanks for the keen-eyed correction, Walter.

      -Shawn

      • Walter_Cronanty

         Shawn – Thanks for the mention up top.  I really didn’t expect it. I absolutely agree with your post’s main point, just wanted all facts to be correct.  Thanks again.

  • GarandFan

    MISINFORNATION!  Yeah, go ahead, spout the DNC line, Kool Aid drinking fool.  Consumers ultimately make the choice.  And right now, the Volt looks like it’s headed in the same direction as the Chevy Corvair, and the Ford Pinto.

    Remember Toyota?   Didn’t see anyone from Obamaville jumping up and down about MISINFORMATION!

    As for Media Matters – it’s already been shown to be a mouthpiece for the White House. You’ve got to get out more often. They probably didn’t cover that over at Huffpo. 

    Don’t worry about Fishhead.  He’ll soon go the way as that other stalwart of the left, SAUD.

    • 914

      “And right now, the Volt looks like it’s headed in the same direction as the Chevy Corvair, and the Ford Pinto.”

      Or the Dumbo eared fool in chief for that matter..

  • http://wizbangblog.com/ Shawn

    Fish,

    The fact that the Volt has had a few mechanical problems is not the main focus of this piece.  It’s really just a small matter of record and an example that sometimes perception is reality.

    Did you read the entire article?

    If that is actually your main focus of dissension with this post, you are either just a troll or truly devoid of sincere comprehension.

    Sheesh.

    -Shawn

    • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/EU5DQWQTTHTPO4A4ZYSL3AAV2U Adjoran

       His intent is to divert the argument to a side issue, hijacking the thread and pretending as if the other issues don’t exist.

      How he has lasted this long is amazing – but Wizbang has always been slow to ban the lefty trolls because it is so hard to tell the difference (even the sincere leftists tend to parrot the same talking points).

      • SoBeRight

        I addressed the question posed by the first four paragraphs.

        What part of the post did you and Shawn address?

        No part.

        Your comments have zero substance, – just hot air and noise and hate.

        • Sky__Captain

           Actually, Adjoran, some lefty trolls can actually debate, present their views, and “agree to disagree”.

          Others, such as Fish4Brains, can’t do this and invariably goes down the personal attack road rather quickly.

          I agree Wizbang is far too slow in squashing the most obnoxious, but they (or their clones) quickly show up to continue the Marxist fight. Witness Fish4Brains.

          • SoBeRight

             Try to stay on topic here. Your off-topic posts are annoying.

          • Sky__Captain

             Hey, you started the off-topic discussions by dodging the topic of cronyism by your ObamaMessiah.
            Then you compounded it by lying, claiming I offered an apology of some sort. (Not true – I will never apologize when I have done nothing wrong.)

            Now get back on topic, and discuss the cronyism and conflicts of intrerest by Obama and Immelt.
            That is, if it’s covered by your talking points.

          • SoBeRight

            I answered the questions posed in the first four paragraphs.

            All you’ve done is follow me around the board looking ridiculous and acting like a 12 year old.

          • Sky__Captain

            Liar

            Go read you own posts.
            You have only spouted talking points about the Volt, not the cronyism and conflicts of intrerest by Obama and Immelt.

            All you’ve done is lie and obfuscate, looking ridiculous and acting like a 12 year old.

            I’m just holding your feet to the fire and highlighting your 12-year-old actions.

            And you obviously can’t handle it.

          • Mr Kimber

            So are you.

  • Walter_Cronanty

     The Volt is built for those who: 1) Are wealthy enough to pay around $40,000 – $45,000 to drive around in an econo-box in order for them to feel morally superior; and, 2) Are wealthy enough to use a $7,500 Federal Tax Credit, plus whatever subsidies individual states may give out.  It is not market driven.  It’s another subsidy for the wealthy.  The only way it will ever be successful is if Obama persists in bringing to life energy secretary Steven Chu’s fantasy of crippling our ability to obtain [relatively] cheap petroleum products.

  • http://www.wizbangblog.com David Robertson

    The point is that the federal government is using federal tax dollars to subsidize a vehicle that very, very few people want. If people want to purchase a hybrid, then there are others that they can choose from.

    • herddog505

      That’s a good point.  I recall when dealerships couldn’t keep Priuses (Prii?) on the lots because they were selling so fast.  As Retired Military points out up-thread, Ford is selling large numbers of the small, fuel-efficient Fiesta.  Ditto the Honda Fit (my current car), the Civic, the Corolla, the Versa, etc., etc.  There is definitely a market for cars that get good mileage, but Americans aren’t going to pay $40k for a Volt when they can get the same thing from Toyota for about half that price (and the Prius has a well-established record for quality, something that cannot be said for very many Detroit products).

  • ackwired

    Welcome to the corporatocracy.  The corporations pay the politicians ad pay for their elections and the politicians subsidize the corporations.  Everybody wins but you.

  • LiberalNitemare

    >> Both GE and GM hyped the Volt as an Electric Vehicle (EV).  It does, however, also run on an internal combustion engine, using eeeeevil gasoline to power it when the driver/brainwashed tool wants/needs it.  Which means, technically, it is a hybrid.

     54% of our electricy comes from coal fired plants
    http://www.ucsusa.org/clean_energy/coalvswind/c01.html

    To be perfectly honest, its probably ‘dirtier’ then my kia when you factor in the battery disposal issues and the electrical power source.

    Nice work Greenies.

    • Walter_Cronanty

       Your comment reminded me of this article:
      UT researchers find China’s pollution related to E-cars may be more harmful than gasoline cars
      Electric cars have been heralded as environmentally friendly, but
      findings from University of Tennessee, Knoxville, researchers show that
      electric cars in China have an overall impact on pollution that could
      be more harmful to health than gasoline vehicles.
      In terms of air pollution impacts, electric cars are more
      harmful to public health per kilometer traveled in China than
      conventional vehicles.

      “The study emphasizes that electric vehicles are attractive if they
      are powered by a clean energy source,” Cherry said.”In China and
      elsewhere, it is important to focus on deploying electric vehicles in
      cities with cleaner electricity generation and focusing on improving
      emissions controls in higher polluting power sectors.”

      http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/02/13/shocker-dirty-electric-cars/#more-56534

  • http://www.woogieworld.org bwohlgemuth

    It’s simple math.

    2012 Chevy Volt – $44,000
    2012 Honda Fit – $17,000

    And the $27,000 difference in gas?  Well at $3/gallon, that’s 9,000 gallons or 270,000 miles (assuming 30mpg, which this car easily does).

    So I can drive this car for 10+ years only then would I reach the cost of a new Chevy Volt.

    Pass.

    • SoBeRight

      Your break-even analysis assumes gas stays at $3 a gallon for 10 years.

      Since it’s already $4 a gallon in most of the nation, just as it was during the Bush administration 3 years ago — it’s a pretty safe assumption that your analysis is way off

      But you knew that already. That’s why you used the fictional $3 a gallon figure.

      • http://www.woogieworld.org bwohlgemuth

        Wow….really?  OK.  

        $4/gallon gas….

        $27k/$4 gallon gas = 6,750 gallons at 30mpg = 202,500 miles.

        And now I have to drive eight years to break even.

        • http://www.woogieworld.org bwohlgemuth

          We can keep going!  How about oil-maggeddon?????

          $27k/$8 gallon gas = 3,375 gallons at 30mpg = 101,250 miles

          That’s at least five years of driving which negates any maintenance, insurance, or equipment changes (such as…lets say…a battery swap?)

          • Sky__Captain

            Please don’t confuse the lefty troll with math. It’s not covered in his talking points…

        • SoBeRight

          and come out ahead in years 9, 10, 11 and 12.

          And that would be the first time anyone came out ahead at the end of a car purchase.

          But the price of all-electric vehicles will drop, just as they did for hybrids. It’s called the economies of scale and it’ll cause the sales of these new all-electrics to increase dramatically.

          Fro example: “The Toyota Prius sold 300 units in 1997, 19,500 in 2000, and cumulative worldwide Prius sales reached the 1 million mark in April 2008″

          So the Chevy Volt has already VASTLY exceeded the first year sales of the Toyota Hybrid.

          You know, this really points out the fact that the right gets so many things wrong simply by being simple and not looking at the past or being able to project into the future. So many on the right are just stuck in their very unhappy present, and can’t look into the past and learn those lessons, so they don’t have knowledge and wisdom to be able to better see the future.

          See unhappy tea party camper below.

          • http://www.woogieworld.org bwohlgemuth

            and come out ahead in years 9, 10, 11 and 12.

            INCORRECT!  Since your assumption negates the gasoline and electricity costs of the Volt for that time period.  

            And “economies of scale”?  You would have to find a ~50% price decrease before those economies would come into play.  Even with a Hybrid, you are still not seeing “economies of scale” when it comes to costs long term vs. other small internal combustion vehicles.

          • jim_m

            and come out ahead in years 9, 10, 11 and 12.

            So the plan by 0bama is that people should only buy cars once every 12 years?  And that does what for the auto industry?  I thought the industry was predicated on people actually buying cars.

    • SCSIwuzzy

      You forgot to factor in the cost of electricity; it ain’t free.  And if oil goes up, the avg cost of electric will as well.  If the assault on gas from frac and coal continues, expect that price to go up even more as utilities lean more on gas.  Add in the people cutting over their homes to gas heat as oil goes up, cutting into the volume available to spin turbines, making it worse.

      So to be fair you need to add the cost to charge the Volt to that $27,000.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_W6UJJOM4PP4XLSBG6N4LROVSQE Retired Military

    This is inciteful

    http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=E829981A-B775-4296-9648-9F75F373643F

    But is the overall goal to get our price” of gasoline down, asked [Mississippi Republican Congressman Alan] Nunnelee.
    “No, the overall goal is to decrease our dependency on oil, to build and strengthen our economy,” [Energy Secretary Steven] Chu replied. “We think that if you consider all these energy policies, including energy efficiency, we think that we can go a long way to becoming less dependent on oil and [diversifying] our supply and we’ll help the American economy and the American consumers.”
    ———–
    So hey screw the US consumer and tank the economy.  Our dependance on foreign oil will be lower because noone will be buying gasoline.

    • Walter_Cronanty

       So, we’re going to “build and strengthen our economy” with needlessly expensive petroleum products.  What a two-faced, lying sack of sh!t. 

  • Sky__Captain

    The Volt is Chevy’s answer to the Ford Pinto.

    • http://www.wizbangblog.com David Robertson

      If the Volt is the answer, then what was the question?

      • Sky__Captain

        Some questions are better left unasked.

  • http://www.wizbangblog.com David Robertson

    The Volt will succeed or fail on its own merits, regardless of who is in the White House, regardless of what GE does.

    • Walter_Cronanty

       Does “on its own merits” include a $7,500 federal tax credit?

    • SoBeRight

      The Toyota Prius sold 300 units in 1997, 19,500 in 2000, and cumulative
      worldwide Prius sales reached the 1 million mark in April 2008.

      • http://www.rustedsky.net JLawson

        And they set the standard for a usable, affordable electric hybrid vehicle.

        Can the Volt match up?

        • SoBeRight

          With 30% of Americans stupid enough to listen to Fox News and be lied about about the car catching fire it’ll take longer, but it’ll get there.

          We just have to overcome the slime on the wheels of progress. Makes for a slippery and slower track, but this is America and real Amercians are driving this train.

          We’ll get there.

          • Sky__Captain

            Are we finished talking about the Volt?

            Good, now Fish4Brains can cover he cronyism and conflicts of interest by Obama and Immelt.

            Despite his protestations, if you read all of his posts in this thread, Fish has not done so.

            Oh, and ZGoFish, I demand a retraction and apology from you.
            Upthread, you claim I offered an apology to you. The record shows I have not, so you lied.
            So please retract it and apologize for your statement. Thank you.

          • http://www.rustedsky.net JLawson

            3rd gen Prius -  starts at $24k w/no gov. assistance.

            Volt? SMRP as low as $31.6k, w/up to $7500 from the gov.

            In the end, it’s the customer that decides whether a model lives or dies.  And there’s nowhere near the brand loyalty on cars there used to be.  If the Volt doesn’t satisfy the consumer, that’s just too bad.  They can park the model over next to the EV-1…

          • SoBeRight

            The early priuses were no doubt supported in price as well. No govt assistance perhaps, but then Japan wasn’t in a recession when the Prius rolled out in 1990.

            New technologies always have a hefty rice tag, then they scale down in price as manufacturing scales up.

            No doubt sales of the Volt have been hurt  by the fallout of the we hate obama movement on the right, who spread lies about Volt’s catching fire (as illustrated in my comment above).

            Those two factors, the lying right wing hate machine and the price of new technologies have hit the Volt sales hard.

            We’re in year 1, let’s agree to meet here on this thread in exactly 5 years and see where things stand for the Chevy Volt. Agreed?

          • http://www.rustedsky.net JLawson

            Now, why would there be any trouble at all with the Volt’s battery pack?

            http://www.autoblog.com/2011/04/18/report-burnt-chevrolet-volt-mysteriously-catches-fire-again/#aolc=A_ZTnA

            The more connections in your plumbing, the more chance of a leak.  And if that happens – well, have some marshmallows ready.

            Political associations?  I don’t care about that.  If there was a picture of Obama on each dashboard, it wouldn’t change things.

            It’s a Chevy.  THAT is the association. THAT is going to be what’s seen.  Overall – it’s a bit of a failure.  It’s a car that’s been massively subsidized to this point.  It’s a car that needs a heck of a buyer subsidy to even get into the market – and that market’s  already dominated by the Prius.

            The Toyota Prius is a percieved upscale marque.  It’s an established one – and when the cost of it is LOWER than that of a Chevy Volt, you’ll see more customers who want electric/hybrid vehicles in that direction.  Put a Cadillac badge on it – and you MIGHT get more… but Cadillac doesn’t have quite the upscale allure it once did.

            The Volt’s too late to the party, and doesn’t bring anything game-changing to justify its higher price point.  It’ll stagger along, subsidised by other models, until GM finally pulls the plug on it.  I’d be surprised if it lasts two more years if Obama doesn’t get re-elected and keep the money flowing in.

          • herddog505

            Good points.

            I would add too that the thing has had a rocky PR problem from the start.  Barry and the gang really ballyhooed it (Barry drove one about ten feet and pronounced the ride “pretty smooth”*)The press initially reported that it got some insanely high mileage**.  But there were those nagging questions about price right out of the gate.  “$40k?  Seriously?  For a car that small?”

            Then actual reviews started to come out and people learned that the Volt DIDN’T get the mileage initially claimed; not even close (depending on one’s driving habits).  Yet, it still cost $40k.

            Finally, people are starting to look into the actual “carbon footprint” of these electric and hybrid cars, and they are discovering that they MAY actually be higher than a traditional car due to the enormous amounts of energy (and generic pollution) required to manufacture the batteries.***

            It MAY be that the Volt will come into its own: reviews from owners at Edmund’s are pretty good.  Still…

            The damned thing costs $40k.  AND Uncle Sugar has to essentially bribe people to buy them.  That’s not exactly a good selling point.

            ===

            (*) http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2010/07/30/obama-drives-chevy-volt-feet/

            (**) General Motors’ announcement on Tuesday that it expects that the Chevy Volt will get an eye-popping 230 miles per gallon…

             http://news.cnet.com/8301-11128_3-10308235-54.html

            (***) This is a hotly-contested subject, but both a British and an Australian report indicate that an electric car’s carbon footprint is actually larger than a comparable gas-powered car.  This apparently is especially true in Australia as much of that country’s electricity is produced by coal-fired power plants.

            http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/health-science/electric-cars-may-not-be-so-green-after-all-says-british-study/story-e6frg8y6-1226073103576

            Finally, it’s worth noting that the wheels are coming off the whole AGW scam, so one rational - “green” – for buying an electric car is looking less and less realistic.

          • http://www.rustedsky.net JLawson

            Now, why would there be any trouble at all with the Volt’s battery pack?

            http://www.autoblog.com/2011/04/18/report-burnt-chevrolet-volt-mysteriously-catches-fire-again/#aolc=A_ZTnA

            The more connections in your plumbing, the more chance of a leak.  And if that happens – well, have some marshmallows ready.

            Political associations?  I don’t care about that.  If there was a picture of Obama on each dashboard, it wouldn’t change things.

            It’s a Chevy.  THAT is the association. THAT is going to be what’s seen.  Overall – it’s a bit of a failure.  It’s a car that’s been massively subsidized to this point.  It’s a car that needs a heck of a buyer subsidy to even get into the market – and that market’s  already dominated by the Prius.

            The Toyota Prius is a percieved upscale marque.  It’s an established one – and when the cost of it is LOWER than that of a Chevy Volt, you’ll see more customers who want electric/hybrid vehicles in that direction.  Put a Cadillac badge on it – and you MIGHT get more… but Cadillac doesn’t have quite the upscale allure it once did.

            The Volt’s too late to the party, and doesn’t bring anything game-changing to justify its higher price point.  It’ll stagger along, subsidised by other models, until GM finally pulls the plug on it.  I’d be surprised if it lasts two more years if Obama doesn’t get re-elected and keep the money flowing in.

  • 914

    ZyGote should stick to something it knows.. Crayolas, Barney and pampers..

  • http://www.facebook.com/Stan25 Stan Brewer

    Obama is saving all that oil for his red Chinese buddies so they can take over the part of the world that Barry’s relatives don’t control

  • Brian_R_Allen

    …. 
    this cozy relationship doesn’t already scream crony capitalism …. 

    You got that Right – if only by accident.

    There is no hint of Capitalism in the obscene fascistic cronyism so favored by the anointed one’s gangster “government” under which our beloved fraternal republic currently labors. 

    Not mentioned in your piece, too, is that every Volt already costs somewhere north of the  Quarter Million Dollars in subsidies sunk into its development and manufacture. Even that sum not taking into account the obscene amount criminally (Un-Constitutionally) poured into Government Motors since its theft from from its owners and their creditors 

  • herddog505

    I really have to take my hat off to ZGoFish: he has pulled off about as effective a thread-hijack as I’ve ever seen.  What was intended to be a discussion of how Barry’s crony-capitalist policies are ripping off the US taxpayer for the benefit of a handful of eeeevil Mega-Corporations (something I thought even democrats detested) has turned into an argument over a car.

    Well-played, sir.  You’ve gotten the righties off the subject AND spared your fellow lefties the pain and embarrassment of trying to explain how the unholy alliance between Barry, GM and GE is a Good Thing(TM) and NOTHING like the (alleged) alliance between the GOP and Big Oil.

    • SoBeRight

      I addressed Shawn Mallow’s post, specifically the questions posed in the first four paragraphs.

      What part of Shawn’s post did your comment address? I can’t seem to find the part where he talked about me.

      • Sky__Captain

        Oh yeah, you talked about the Volt, but you have not addressed the cronyism. So herddog is correct, you’re conducted a thread-jacking and avoiding the cronyism issue.

        Again, I demand a retraction and apology from you, ZGoFish.Upthread, you claim I offered an apology to you. The record shows I have not, so you lied.So please retract it and apologize for your statement. Thank you.

      • Sky__Captain

        Oh yeah, you talked about the Volt, but you have not addressed the cronyism. So herddog is correct, you’re conducted a thread-jacking and avoiding the cronyism issue.

        Again, I demand a retraction and apology from you, ZGoFish.Upthread, you claim I offered an apology to you. The record shows I have not, so you lied.So please retract it and apologize for your statement. Thank you.

  • postwick

    The author seems to be forgetting that while, yes, they get a tax break on the cars…it’s not a net gain.  THEY STILL HAVE TO PAY FOR THE CARS.  They just have to pay $7500 less for each car.

    • SCSIwuzzy

      And the 7,500 had to come from somewhere….

      • postwick

        I don’t think you understand my point.  The author is making it out like GE is somehow getting $90,000,000 added to their bottom line.  They’re not.

        ” Will the government cut GE a $90,000,000 tax rebate check?”  NO, because that money goes to the AUTO COMPANY SELLING THE CARS.

  • postwick

    The author seems to be forgetting that while, yes, they get a tax break on the cars…it’s not a net gain.  THEY STILL HAVE TO PAY FOR THE CARS.  They just have to pay $7500 less for each car.

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