Mob rule anyone?

President Obama interjected himself into the Trayvon Martin tragedy when he stated at a press conference Friday, “If I had a son, he would look like Trayvon“.

Many took the comment to be a reaction to criticism he’d been silent for too long on what had taken place in Florida.

I’d like to see him man up and react to this:

NBPPMembers of the New Black Panther Party are offering a $10,000 reward for the “capture” of George Zimmerman, the Neighborhood Watch volunteer who shot Trayvon Martin.

New Black Panther leader Mikhail Muhammad announced the reward during a protest in Sanford Saturday. And when asked whether he was inciting violence, Muhammad replied defiantly: “An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth.”

The bounty announcement came moments after members of the group called for the mobilization of 10,000 black men to capture Zimmerman, who shot Trayvon in a gated Sanford community on Feb. 26.

Muhammad said members of his group would search for Zimmerman themselves in Maitland — where the 28-year old worked before the shooting, employees there told the Orlando Sentinel. He declined to say when the group would begin their search.

Muhammad said the group’s national chairman, Dr. Malik Zulu Shabaz of Washington, D.C. is receiving donations from black entertainers and athletes. They hope to collect $1 million by next week, Muhammad said.

The party said they would not release the names of donors nor would they provide documentation to support the existence of donations.

The New Black Panthers announced the reward at a protest in Sanford Saturday, the activist group’s third protest in the past two weeks over the fatal shooting of the Miami Gardens teen.

The group called for Zimmerman’s arrest and threatened to find and detain him if police were not willing to do so. But group members didn’t call for the mobilization of thousands until Saturday.

Muhammed led the group in chanting “Justice for Trayvon!” and “Black Power!”

“If the government won’t do the job, we’ll do it,” Muhammad said, leading his group of eight party members in chants like “freedom or death” and “justice for Trayvon” while making the iconic gesture of raising their fists into the air.

President Obama… now might be a good time for a teachable moment.

Let’s show America how you were elected to transcend race, to unite and not divide, America.

C’mon President Obama, say something, anything, about how this, as the Trayvon Martin killing, is not what America is about.

"The main problem for young black men is not violent white men chasing them. It is black on black violence."
"That conclusion — drilling makes no difference — is meant to give cover"
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  • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

    Not a chance in hell, Rick.

  • 914

    Just getting warmed up for the elections…As for Barry, he has no clue what America is about. 

  • The_Queen_of_France

    He won’t say a word.  The New Black Panthers do nothing wrong.  Ask Eric Holder.
     

  • davidt

     “If I had a son, he would look like Trayvon“.

    In other words, if he had a son he would be the dead victim of an alleged racial hate crime?

    • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

       He’d be the dead perpetrator of an assault and battery.

      • http://www.wizbangblog.com David Robertson

        Rodney, you are making an assumption about Martin that could be false. It is up to a grand jury to figure out what actually happened.

        • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

          No, David Robertson.  The Grand Jury will decide if the prosecutor has presented ample evidence to justify a prosecution (competent prosecutors can get a grand jury to indict a ham sandwich).  A jury of Zimmerman’s peers will act as the tryor of fact and the sole representative of justice should a prosecution proceed.

    • PBunyan

      No, I think what he meant was all black people look alike.  That’s the only thing he could have possible meant by that idiotic, racist, bigoted statement.

      • http://2012.ak4mc.us/ McGehee

        Well, TOTUS is half TWP.

  • GarandFan

    Stupid is as stupid does.

  • 914

     “If I had a son, he would look like Trayvon“.

    Assuming Moochelle could stand being punished with his baby… Yes

  • Commander_Chico

    If the cops had done their job in the first place, Zim would be in a jail cell, charged with manslaughter and well on the way to the 10 years that his foolish meddling and recklessness deserves.

    • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/EU5DQWQTTHTPO4A4ZYSL3AAV2U Adjoran

      As usual, you are full of yourself, and it smells.

      There was no evidence of a crime committed by Zimmerman, and still isn’t.

      The “loving family” which didn’t bother notifying authorities until the young man had been missing for three days is now in touch with a lawyer and the prospect of a payday, the violent race pimps smell a riot, and your boy Obama sees something else to distract from his miserable failures.

      • Commander_Chico

        Zimmerman is the perfect guy for authoritarian right-wingers to rally around:

        He was racist (“fucking coon”), needed a gun to feel like a man, and could not let a person be.

        So have at it, start up the Zimmerman defense fund.

      • Commander_Chico

        Zimmerman is the perfect guy for authoritarian right-wingers to rally around:

        He was racist (“fucking coon”), needed a gun to feel like a man, and could not let a person be.

        So have at it, start up the Zimmerman defense fund.

        • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/EU5DQWQTTHTPO4A4ZYSL3AAV2U Adjoran

           Once again, none of this is in evidence.  Even the remark isn’t clear on the tape – it could just as easily be “goons” since “coons” isn’t a common slur these days.  But you immediately assume the worst interpretation for the citizen standing up for property rights and the best for the football player in a hoodie walking against the buildings instead of along the sidewalks.

          In fact, like Sherlock Holmes, I realize the importance of the dog that did NOT bark:  if this neighborhood had been in a direct line from the store to Martin’s father’s house, it would have been on the news to show he had a reason for being there.  I’m betting it’s not.

          When the facts finally come out – after poor Zimmerman has been charged and has to miss work and pay lawyers because of the money-hungry race pimp mob and their apologists – you will be on the next outrage.

          I’d far rather have a Zimmerman in my neighborhood than a Martin – OR a Chico.

          • Commander_Chico

            Man, you really are desperate to excuse this kook.  But as I said, Zim’s the poster boy for retarded right-wing authoritarianism.

            “Goons???”  That’s an original hearing.  Get your ears checked.

            John Hinderaker heard “coons” and said that Zimmerman should have been charged.  I believe he is a lawyer.

            http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2012/03/thoughts-on-trayvon-martin-and-george-zimmerman.php

            Funny how you keep saying there is “no evidence,” when at least there is undeniable evidence of a homicide, and strong evidence of the homicide being caused by circumstances created by Zimmerman, yet you make up shit to drop an innuendo that Martin had no “reason to be there.” 

            I wonder why you feel that way, hmmmm?  It’s utter bullshit of course.

            First, it was not “Martin’s father’s house” it was his father’s fiance’s house.

            Second, the “clubhouse” and shooting location are both located on on a walking route between the 7/11 and the fiance’s house.  You lose your bet.

            Maps here, the “clubhouse” where Zimmerman sees Martin when he calls 911 is the building adjacent to the pool, and the shooting location is marked with a “A” marker on the Google Earth view:

            http://media.trb.com/media/graphic/2012-03/68790513.jpg

            http://www.woodswell.com/images/map-google.jpg

          • herddog505

            Where’s the 7-11?

          • Commander_Chico

            On the left of the newspaper graphic,

            http://media.trb.com/media/graphic/2012-03/68790513.jpg

          • herddog505

            Ah, OK.  I see it now.  Thanks.

          • Commander_Chico

            OK, here’s a Google map and street view of what looks like the 7/11:

            http://g.co/maps/jc6g3

            Here’s Google’s suggested walking route – which brings you past the “clubhouse” where Zim saw Martin taking shelter under cover from the rain.

            http://g.co/maps/42ddd

            This is as close as Google street view gets to the clubhouse:

            http://g.co/maps/eazpr

          • herddog505

            Do we know that Martin DID go to that 7-11?  For example, was there a receipt in his pocket or a statement by the store clerk?

          • Commander_Chico

            Him going to the 7/11 does not seem to be a disputed fact, perhaps based on his possession of the can of iced tea and bag of skittles. 

            Anyways, since he’s dead he can’t testify for himself. 

            And there is, and was, zero evidence of him doing anything illegal at the time Zim called.

          • herddog505

            First of all, there seem to be quite a lot of “facts” about this incident that are in dispute, and it would be helpful to clarify the situation to the greatest extent possible.

            Second, as others have pointed out, there were quite a lot of “facts” that were not “disputed” about Crystal Mangum and the Duke Lacross team… until it was shown that she was a liar and that the (democrat) DA, Nifong, was as crooked as a dog’s hind leg.

            We are getting our information from MiniTru, which not only seems to be flogging this story (apparently to “facilitate” a national “conversation” about race and gun control) but also seems to have made up its collective (tiny) mind that the Jew Zimmerman was a racist murderer almost before Martin’s body was cold.

            The “fact” of the trip to 7-11 seems to be based on him allegedly having a can of tea and a pack of candy when he was killed and the fact that there are several 7-11 stores within a reasonable walking distance of his house.  Perhaps there is a police statement from his family to the effect that, “Trayvon told us that he was going to the 7-11 at about X:XXpm”?  Or a statement by a clerk that he remembers a black teenager who bought some candy and a drink a short time before Martin was killed?

            As I note in another comment, there are quite a lot of unknowns here and quite a lot of speculations.  In such a case, it’s easy for people to reach whatever verdict they are predisposed to find, whether it’s “white Jew racist kills innocent black teen” or “neighborhood watch volunteer shoots hoodlum in self defense”.

          • Commander_Chico

            below . . .

          • Brucehenry

            But but but Adjoran told us REPEATEDLY on the other thread, in between calling you, Chico, and me “lefty liars,” that there WASN’T a 7/11 nearby! Could it be that Adjoran was talking out of his ass? Naaah, couldn’t be.

             Did the left wing lamestream media somehow reprogram Google Earth to show 7/11s where there were none? Or, most likely, Google Earth ITSELF is part of the leftwing  lamestream media conspiracy to frame the innocent Zimmerman, who Herddog hastens to inform us is Jewish, so he must be being persecuted?

          • Commander_Chico

            Man, you really are desperate to excuse this kook.  But as I said, Zim’s the poster boy for retarded right-wing authoritarianism.

            “Goons???”  That’s an original hearing.  Get your ears checked.

            John Hinderaker heard “coons” and said that Zimmerman should have been charged.  I believe he is a lawyer.

            http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2012/03/thoughts-on-trayvon-martin-and-george-zimmerman.php

            Funny how you keep saying there is “no evidence,” when at least there is undeniable evidence of a homicide, and strong evidence of the homicide being caused by circumstances created by Zimmerman, yet you make up shit to drop an innuendo that Martin had no “reason to be there.” 

            I wonder why you feel that way, hmmmm?  It’s utter bullshit of course.

            First, it was not “Martin’s father’s house” it was his father’s fiance’s house.

            Second, the “clubhouse” and shooting location are both located on on a walking route between the 7/11 and the fiance’s house.  You lose your bet.

            Maps here, the “clubhouse” where Zimmerman sees Martin when he calls 911 is the building adjacent to the pool, and the shooting location is marked with a “A” marker on the Google Earth view:

            http://media.trb.com/media/graphic/2012-03/68790513.jpg

            http://www.woodswell.com/images/map-google.jpg

        • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/EU5DQWQTTHTPO4A4ZYSL3AAV2U Adjoran

           Once again, none of this is in evidence.  Even the remark isn’t clear on the tape – it could just as easily be “goons” since “coons” isn’t a common slur these days.  But you immediately assume the worst interpretation for the citizen standing up for property rights and the best for the football player in a hoodie walking against the buildings instead of along the sidewalks.

          In fact, like Sherlock Holmes, I realize the importance of the dog that did NOT bark:  if this neighborhood had been in a direct line from the store to Martin’s father’s house, it would have been on the news to show he had a reason for being there.  I’m betting it’s not.

          When the facts finally come out – after poor Zimmerman has been charged and has to miss work and pay lawyers because of the money-hungry race pimp mob and their apologists – you will be on the next outrage.

          I’d far rather have a Zimmerman in my neighborhood than a Martin – OR a Chico.

        • herddog505

          “Authoritarian right-wingers”?

          I’m sorry, but after a month of lefties shrieking at the Catholic Church, “Yeah, you f*cking pedophile priest mackerel snappers gotta give away free BC because that’s THE LAW and you aren’t above THE LAW!” this is a pretty blatant case of the pot calling the kettle black.

        • The_Weege_99

          This is the perfect case for self-righteous pratts to go flouncing about showing how ignorant they truly are, and that feelings direct them more than rational analysis of facts.

          Where are the hard facts (not your flaming feelings) to support an arrest or a murder charge? They do not exist.

  • 914

    Obama would gladly use Trayvon and many other victims to gin up race riots, enact ‘The Martial Plan!’   And avoid talking about his biggest accomplishment:  ‘Worst President ever!’  

  • 914

    Obama would gladly use Trayvon and many other victims to gin up race riots, enact ‘The Martial Plan!’   And avoid talking about his biggest accomplishment:  ‘Worst President ever!’  

  • Vagabond661

    I read somewhere that Zimmerman had a broken nose and a laceration on the back of his head. Self-inflicted?

    • http://www.wizbangblog.com David Robertson

      Nobody is denying that a fight took place. What is unknown is how it started. Figuring that out is a job for the grand jury.

      • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

        No, David Robertson.  The Grand Jury will determine if the prosecutor has brought forward sufficient evidence to justify charges.  As previously noted a competent prosecutor can convince most Grand Juries to indict a ham sandwich.  Also as pointed out previously, the tryor of fact and sole representative of justice will be a jury of Zimmerman’s peers should the case go to trial.

  • Commander_Chico

    There are also a lot of facts not in dispute – those established by the 911 calls, geography, and presumably (because there is a phone record) the fact that Martin was on the phone to his girlfriend at about the same time.

    We know that Martin had good reason to be in the gated complex.

    We know from Zim’s own statements on the 9/11 call that he had nothing that would indicate that Martin was actually doing anything illegal when he saw him.  No facts, all suspicion.

    We know that Zim pursued Martin, both from his own 9/11 call and the distance between his report of Martin being at the clubhouse and the shooting scene.

    I don’t get the repeated trotting out of the Duke case.  Duke was an accusation of rape, this is a homicide with, you know, an actual dead body.

    Is the desired inference from referring to Duke that “coons” lie?  Sure, there are thousands of false accusations in the USA, stipulated.

    The police made an executive decision not to arrest Zim that night, with apparently little or no investigation.  They were free to release information supporting that decision to the public.  They have not.  Instead, the chief has resigned and the state’s attorney is convening a grand jury.  You can draw an inference about the “unknown” facts from that.

    • herddog505

      Commander_ChicoIs the desired inference from referring to Duke that “coons” lie? 

      Oh, jebus.  Give the f*cking RAAAAACIST sh*t a break, will you?

      The point about the Duke case is that MiniTru and the usual suspects made up their minds before the facts were in and were calling for a lynch mob when, in fact, the “facts” had been distorted, suppressed, or outright made up.  The only real “facts” that we have about the Martin case is that he was shot to death by George Zimmerman at the time and location stipulated.  WHY Zimmerman shot him is in dispute.  That’s a pretty crucial question to answer.

      Commander_ChicoThe police made an executive decision not to arrest Zim that night, with apparently little or no investigation.  They were free to release information supporting that decision to the public.  They have not.  Instead, the chief has resigned and the state’s attorney is convening a grand jury.  You can draw an inference about the “unknown” facts from that.

      Gosh, could it be that the police who responded to the scene AFTER BEING CALLED BY ZIMMERMAN found him cooperative and with signs of a struggle (blood, grass stains on his back), and so concluded that he wasn’t the bad guy?  As for the police subsequent actions and the grand jury, I suggest that this is in response to mob pressure.  Mike Nifong lost his job for trying to railroad innocent men.

      • Commander_Chico

        Given that Zim pursued Martin based on no evidence of actual criminal conduct, said “fucking coons” and the police came to a snap judgement based on as you say, Zim’s say-so, race seems to be heavily involved in this case.

        Gosh, could it be that the police who responded to the scene AFTER BEING CALLED BY ZIMMERMAN found him cooperative and with signs of a struggle (blood, grass stains on his back), and so concluded that he wasn’t the bad guy? 

        This was a homicide.  Homicides should be throughly investigated and the bias should be towards not exonerating too quickly.  Even a review of the 911 calls would have raised enough facts to lead to an arrest.

        Zim called 911 before he shot Martin, not after, so all that means is that  Zim had made a judgment about Martin, he reported no observed facts indicating actual criminality, and had an emotional animus about “assholes getting away” and “fucking coons.”  Zim’s 911 call is incriminating, because it indicates his state of mind.

        Everything else is a matter for a bail hearing and the trial.  Zim should be tried for manslaughter at least - here are the statutes on homicide and justifiable use of force:   http://www.flsenate.gov/Laws/Statutes/2011/Chapter776/All

        http://www.flsenate.gov/Laws/Statutes/2011/Chapter782/All

        This is why we have courts, judges and juries.

        Let’s take another example of a “cooperative” guy case – when Jeffrey Dahmer told police the 14 year old Cambodian boy wandering the streets naked and drugged out “after signs of a struggle” was his drunk boyfriend.  The cops took Dahmer’s word for it and let Dahmer lead the kid back to his apartment, where he killed him.

        • herddog505

          1.  The only evidence that Zimmerman said “coons” exists in the minds of libs.  Various people have listened to the audio, and there is no consensus about exactly what Zimmerman said.  Incidentally:

          [Zimmerman's attorney Craig] Sonner also said that Zimmerman and his wife in the past have served as mentors to African-American youth. “He and his wife were mentors to a single mother with two, a 14-year-old son and a 13-year-old daughter. They were mentors to them, took them every couple weeks. What that program included was every other week, going for two or three hours going to the mall, to the science center, going to lunch, playing basketball, doing those types of things.”

          http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57403854/zimmerman-lawyer-no-racial-issue-with-client

          2.  Instead of saying that Zimmerman “pursued” Martin, one could just as easily say “followed” or “shadowed”;

          3.  Yes, Martin had shown no “actual criminal conduct” but apparently (in Zimmerman’s mind) was behaving “suspiciously”. 

          I listened to Zimmerman’s 9-11 call.  He initially sounds calm.  He reports that he sees a suspicious guy (Martin), stating, “This guy looks like he’s up to no good or he’s on drugs or something.  It’s raining, and he’s just he’s just walking around, looking about.”

          recording of 9-11 call at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trayvon_Martin

          What I find interesting is that, contrary to the MiniTru / lefty lynch mob narrative, Martin approached Zimmerman first.  Zimmerman reported to the 9-11 dispacter that Martin was approaching him, checking him out, that he had his hand in the waistband of his pants and “something in his hand”.  Then, Martin took off, running.  Zimmerman followed.

          To read the various lefty accounts, Martin, minding his own business as he calmly sipped his tea and munched his Skittles, was stalked and then set upon by Zimmerman without warning.  This, apparenly, is not the case.

          Let’s stipulate, just to be clear, that Martin had just as much right as Zimmerman or anybody else to stand on that rainy street.  Why Zimmerman thought he looked like he was up to no good (Martin may well have gotten lost and was trying to figure out which street, in a development full of identical buildings, he was on) is an unknown fact, but I suggest that it’s pretty important to know it before decided whether or not Zimmerman is a racist killer.

          When the police dispatcher asked Zimmerman to describe Martin, he says that “he looks black”. Now, I’m no expert in bigotry (I leave that to lefties), but it strikes me that your average KKK one-man lynch mob on the prowl would be pretty damned sure about something like that.

          You cite chapter and verse of Florida law as if the legal process means something to you.  However, it’s quite clear that you – and the left generally – wants Zimmerman hanged and have since the moment that MiniTru decided that this was a national news story.  You lefties, based on what MiniTru told you, made up your minds that Zimmerman (WHITEY!  JEW!) was a racist killer on Day One, and have only changed your collective tune to the extent of now also blaming the Sanford PD of engaging in a cover-up.  Why, exactly, they would cover up for George ZImmerman is not defined, though I suppose that RAAAAACISM is a good catch-all.

          Does anybody know the race of the officer(s) who first responded to the scene?  Or of their supervisors?  Has anybody read a public statement from them, or seen the actual report(s) they filed?  To my knowledge, no: it’s all speculation based solely on the color of Zimmerman’s skin.

          The left is busy yapping about Emmett Till.  The irony is, THEY are the lynch mob.

          • Brucehenry

            Hyperbole, and you know it. No one — except your new bogeymen, the NBPP — is calling for anything like a lynch mob.

            People are calling for a grand jury investigation, Federal or state investigations, or at the most, Zimmerman’s immediate arrest. That’s what I want. That’s what the vast majority of folks upset about this situation want.

            Now, I do admit a few bleeding hearts are making with the Emmett Till comparisons. But, hey, nobody lynched HIS killers, either. In fact, tragically enough, they lived free the rest of their miserable lives, AFAIK.

            As for the “Jewy jewy jew jew” stuff, save it. There’s not been a whiff of anti-Semitism about this case. (Here I suppose is where you’ll link to an NBPP member saying something tragicomically unfortunate.)

          • herddog505

            Actually, I was thinking of your ideological comrade-in-arms, Jay:

            Half Hispanic, half Jewish, all racist.

            http://wizbangblog.com/2012/03/22/why-are-the-deaths-of-these-black-men-being-ignored/#comment-473809516

            Additionally, MiniTru leaped on the Jewish angle right out the gate:

            The shooter was once a Catholic altar boy — with a surname that could have been Jewish.

            http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/who-is-george-zimmerman/2012/03/22/gIQAkXdbUS_story.html?hpid=z1

            The various internet forums have multiple posts about this issue.  For example:

            http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20120325123411AALqrn1

            Now, obviously, not all the lefties are doing the whole “killer Jew!” thing.  Why should they?  Garden-variety RAAAAACISM!!! is perfectly adequate.

            As for the lynch mob, it’s a whole lot less “convene a grand jury and let the truth come out” and a whole lot more “Zimmerman’s a murderer and should be behind bars!” I must say, too, that I don’t see a lot of condemnation of the Black Panthers.  To the contrary, it seems rather more approbation: “Hey, the cops didn’t do their job, so SOMEBODY has to see that justice is done.”

            I find it odd that, as I remarked to my wife, I am in the position of defending Zimmerman.  While I have no reason to think that he had ANY intent to shoot anybody, he should NEVER have gotten so close to Martin that a confrontation could POSSIBLY have ensued.  Another blog I enjoy is frequented by quite a few passionate 2A / CCW types, and they have the near-unanimous opinion – which I share – that avoiding a confrontation if at all possible is the best course of action unless there’s some obvious, immediate danger to somebody’s life.  Zimmerman seems to have been an eager beaver, the type of nosey do-gooder that I refer to as a “hall monitor”.  Normally, this is commendable (though occasionally irritating): I’d like to know that there were people around my neighborhood keeping an eye on things.  But it seems to me that he crossed the line when he got out of his truck and took off after Martin.  Why the police didn’t take him to the station at least for questioning is a very reasonable thing to ask (o’ course, lefties already know the answer: RAAAAACISM!!!).  I even go so far as to suggest - based on what I know – that Zimmerman is criminally responsible for Martin’s death, though I hasten to say that he is APPARENTLY not guilty of murder as, again, there is no evidence at all that he meant to kill anybody.

            In short, this is a damned mess, and the left is doing it’s usual job of making it worse.

          • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

            Spike “didn’t do the right thing Lee.

      • Commander_Chico

        Given that Zim pursued Martin based on no evidence of actual criminal conduct, said “fucking coons” and the police came to a snap judgement based on as you say, Zim’s say-so, race seems to be heavily involved in this case.

        Gosh, could it be that the police who responded to the scene AFTER BEING CALLED BY ZIMMERMAN found him cooperative and with signs of a struggle (blood, grass stains on his back), and so concluded that he wasn’t the bad guy? 

        This was a homicide.  Homicides should be throughly investigated and the bias should be towards not exonerating too quickly.  Even a review of the 911 calls would have raised enough facts to lead to an arrest.

        Zim called 911 before he shot Martin, not after, so all that means is that  Zim had made a judgment about Martin, he reported no observed facts indicating actual criminality, and had an emotional animus about “assholes getting away” and “fucking coons.”  Zim’s 911 call is incriminating, because it indicates his state of mind.

        Everything else is a matter for a bail hearing and the trial.  Zim should be tried for manslaughter at least - here are the statutes on homicide and justifiable use of force:   http://www.flsenate.gov/Laws/Statutes/2011/Chapter776/All

        http://www.flsenate.gov/Laws/Statutes/2011/Chapter782/All

        This is why we have courts, judges and juries.

        Let’s take another example of a “cooperative” guy case – when Jeffrey Dahmer told police the 14 year old Cambodian boy wandering the streets naked and drugged out “after signs of a struggle” was his drunk boyfriend.  The cops took Dahmer’s word for it and let Dahmer lead the kid back to his apartment, where he killed him.

    • Vagabond661

      Why make a 911 call in the first place?

      • Commander_Chico

        Good question.  Have you listened to the call?  By Zim’s own report to the police, Martin is doing nothing that could be objectively judged as criminal.

        If you understand that Zim saw “fucking coons” as per se suspicious, the call makes sense.

        • Vagabond661

          Was the whole 911 tape released? Usually the 911 operator asks what is the nature of your emergency or words to that effect. What i heard seemed to be edited. I read Zimmerman had a broken nose and a cut on the back of his head. But i guess we won’t know all the details until it goes to trial. As long as the lynch mobs dont get to him first.

          • http://2012.ak4mc.us/ McGehee

            Remember who you’re replying to, though: Chico is comandante of this lynch mob.

          • Commander_Chico

            It’s not a lynch mob, it’s people who look at the facts and wonder why, for example, this guy was allowed to kill with deadly force when he was not faced with deadly force.

            When you throw in the fact the shooter was chasing the victim while muttering “fucking coons” not exactly a case that should have been broomed by the police right off.

          • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

            Tell you what then, chicka,  Since you state that this is not a lynch mob you won’t have any problems with an alternative wanted poster going out listing YOU as Zimmerman’s firearms instructor complete with your address, employer, and names of all your family members.  No worries, it’s not, as you have repeatedly stated, a lynch mob. 

          • Commander_Chico

            Hey, I think Zim should be safe – in his own cell in jail awaiting trial.

          • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

            So you are OK with a modified wanted poster going out listing YOU as Zimmerman’s firearms instructor complete with your address, employer, and names of all your family members, since you (and your family too) can always accept protective custody in a jail cell as well.

          • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

             Well, chicka?

          • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

            Yet again we see that chicka  lacks the courage of its convictions.

  • Pretzel__Logic

    If I had a son who was a fascist he’d look like Barack Obama. 

  • emrengineer

    From the small amount of information I have actually looked at (not comments by others), George Zimmerman could be anything from a cold blooded killer to just a man protecting himself, depending on the ‘facts’ that that the reporter chooses to include or exclude. A question has been raised as to why the officers didn’t arrest him at the scene, due to the nature of the 911 call. The officers probably only heard that there was a problem, not the exact wording that Zimmerman used. At the scene they had to make a decision based upon the information that they had, which was incomplete. So until all the evidence is shown, none of us can render much more than a opinion based solely on our own biases. That is why they are presenting the information to a grand jury, to determine if there is evidence enough to continue forward with prosecution.

    • Brucehenry

      There would be no grand jury investigation had it not been for public pressure. The police were going to let the matter drop.

  • http://www.gregstoltz.com/ Gregory Stoltz

    I wonder if the reaction to this incident would have been different if instead of being named George Zimmerman, his name was Jorge Garcia…

  • Brian_R_Allen

    Then there is the inconvenient fact the eye-witness account had the dead kid, immediately before he was shot to death, beating the crap out of Mr Zimmerman. 

    Seems he brought a very bad attitude, suspicious activities and a physical assault upon an armed man, to a gun-fight. 

    • LiberalNightmare

      Isn’t it funny how we know almost nothing about Trayvon himself, after a week plus of outrage and media coverage.

    • The_Queen_of_France

       Wasn’t there a report that Trayvon was on the phone with his (girl?) friend at the time he was being followed and told her such?  If, in fact, he was aware he was being followed, “beating the crap” out of Zimmerman could be self-defense.  We don’t know that Zimmerman didn’t start the physical fight.  We don’t know that he knew Zimmerman was armed.  Attributing a “very bad attitude (and) suspicious activities” (really?  walking down the street with Skittles and iced tea?) to this kid is over the line based on what we know.

    • Brucehenry

      When I was 17, had I been walking down the street and been accosted by some 30ish fat fuck demanding to know what I was up to in a place I had every right to be, I might have kicked his ass. Teenagers often have that attitude. I damn sure did.

       Should I get the death penalty for it?

      By the way, WHAT “suspicious activities?” “Looking like he was up to no good?” “Being on drugs or something?” “Looking at me?” Or maybe just being a black kid?

      • Commander_Chico

        We used to call that kind of guy a “skinner.”  There are a lot of creeps cruising around looking for young guys to jump on.

      • http://2012.ak4mc.us/ McGehee

        I have actually had a gun pointed at me by a deputy sheriff in California. He was absolutely right to do so even though I wasn’t breaking any laws. Taking bare hands to a gunfight is just asking to die.

      • herddog505

        Let me see if I understand you and Commander_Chico correctly:

        Some “30ish fat fuck” might be a “creep cruising around looking for young guys to jump on”, and that’s good enough evidence to beat the crap out of them? 

        But Zimmerman is a murdering racist vigilante who should be arrested because he followed (and eventually, under circumstances still unknown, shot) Martin because, in Zimmerman’s opinion, Martin was acting suspiciously?  Does that about sum it up?

        You DO get the hypocrisy here, right?

        • Brucehenry

          No, silly. I’m just saying that’s one thing that might have happened. It’s just as likely as Trayvon being a would-be burglar who “needed killin’.”

    • http://www.wizbangblog.com David Robertson

      That “secret” witness did not see how the fight began. He saw the fight after it had started.

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  • http://www.wizbangblog.com David Robertson

    Back to the main point of Rick’s post . . . President Obama mentioned Martin, but said nothing about the mob mentality promoted by race hustlers.  So, what is keeping Obama from reminding his supporters that Zimmerman is innocent until proven guilty?

    • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

       His lack of respect for the laws he swore to uphold.

  • herddog505

    Gosh, I can’t imagine…

  • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

    Reminder for the justice system challenged.

    Police Investigate crimes and arrest offenders who they 1.  Catch in the act.  2.  Admit to the crime.  or 3.  Are charged by a Grand Jury or for whom an arrest warrant has been sworn out.

    Prosecutors examine the police investigation (and often continue investigation) and, if they deem the case sufficient, present a case to a Grand Jury.

    A Grand Jury hears the case of the Prosecutor and the testimony of witnesses and the accused, and decides if there are grounds for prosecution, handing down a bill of indictment if they believe there is a case to be made.

    A court conducts a trial in which the Prosecutor represents The People (and the law), the Judge is the arbiter of law, the Defense Attorney represents the interests of his client, and in which the Jury acts as the tryor of fact and sole representative of Justice.

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