MSNBC’s Touré – a study in complete buffoonery, bigotry and brainlessness

This MSNBC reporter (who frankly, up until now, I’d never heard of) best exemplifies the bigotry, the ignorance, the presumption, the hatred for justice based on truth running so rampant in this country today.

Check this out and help me understand where I’m wrong on this… It’s pure race-baiting, race-pimping, presumption filled hatred being manifested merely because Piers Morgan had the audacity to air an interview with George Zimmerman’s brother.

I honestly don’t think I’ve seen this level of complete bovine fecal matter in my life… it’s behavior that ought to be called out for its complete idiocy every time it’s aired:

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  • 914

    Hmmmmm  ‘Pop culture commentator’?? That ranks right up there with ‘community organizer’ as a cop out for real worthwhile work..  

  • LiberalNightmare

    If he had  son, it would look like Trayvon.

  • GarandFan

    MSNBC – lower viewer ranking that the Home Shopping Network.

    •  Yes, no need to add the name “Toure” in there.  Could simply read,
      “MSNBC – a study in complete buffoonery, bigotry and brainlessness.”

  • jim_m

    Looking at this douche bag’s Wikipedia entry, one concludes that they could have slated an MTV VJ  and had someone that was more appropriately called a journalist.  His career is following the same trajectory as Olbermann (100% of the arrogance without any of the initial accomplishments).  Expect him to show up on Current TV shortly.

  • Who let Keith Olbermann Jr. out of the insane asylum?

    • Has he ever worked any place that wasn’t an insane asylum?

  • Any chance he’s related to Kwame Toure?, née Stokeley Carmichael?

    • Commander_Chico

      Good question.  Or even better, is he the offspring of Sekou Touré, the late Communist dictator of Guinea?

      Alas, neither appears in his family tree, “Touré” is his first name, Toure Neblett.  He was probably named after Sekou Touré.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tour%C3%A9

      He appears to be a desperately self-promoting hipster who is trying to ride the corpse of Trayvon to greater media notoriety. 

      He is a perfect match for Piers Morgan, who is doing the same thing. I expect Piers will be eventually brought down by the Murdoch phone hacking scandal.

      • He appears to be a desperately self-promoting hipster who is trying to ride the corpse of Trayvon to greater media notoriety.

        That’s a crowded field. The last time there was a rush like that it was after gold was discovered at Sutter’s mill.

  • jim_m

    Well, the left is getting exactly what they wanted:  racially motivated hate crimes as a product of their overheated rhetoric re zimmerman.  http://www.katu.com/news/national/7-California-boys-arrested-in-attack-on-teen-145286335.html

    Don’t expect the MSM to connect their narrative to the crime even though if there were a way to connect it to the GOP we’d be inundated with the story already.

    • Brucehenry

      Except this crime was committed on March 14 — before the Trayvon story blew up.

      • jim_m

         Got it.  Arrest was made today.  My bad.

        • Brucehenry

          While we’re on the subject of Trayvon, Jim, didn’t you mention on another thread that you were once a captain on your Neighborhood Watch? And isn’t it protocol that the volunteers are UNarmed? And isn’t the mission of Neighborhood Watch to be “the eyes and ears of the local police”? And isn’t the duty of a NW watch volunteer DONE when the 911 call is made? And isn’t it made clear to NW volunteers that they do NOT have arrest powers? And that they shouldn’t pursue suspects or put themselves into situations where violence might occur?

          That’s my problem with Zimmerman’s version of events. And the fact that the police so readily accepted his story, apparently, at face value.

          One of them, anyway. He should have known better than to pursue Trayvon on foot. That’s what makes the fact that Trayvon wound up dead so — to my mind — suspicious.

          • jim_m

             Actually it is only supposed to be that you call the police if you see something suspicious.  You aren’t there to do their job. 

            But reality is that everyone knows that the police can take forever to arrive.  Still, that doesn’t mean that there is a reason to bother anyone if they haven’t done anything wrong.  Reporting Martin was right.  IF Zimmerman confronted Martin he was wrong.  If Martin confronted Zimmerman then Zimmerman’s suspicions were borne out.

          • And when seconds count, the police are only minutes away.

          • Brucehenry

            Except in this case, seconds DIDN’T count.

             Zimmerman didn’t see Trayvon actually DO anything. He said Trayvon “looked like he was up to no good,” presumably because he was a black male in a hoodie. But he seemed to be so upset that one of “these assholes” might get away that he followed the kid on foot, even though he had been told that it wasn’t necessary — both by the 911 operator and his NW protocol.

            I’ve been thinking a lot about this case the past week and it’s my contention that the cops accepted Zimmerman’s story not so much because of racism , but because of laziness. Although the fact that the corpse was black may have played into their lax attitude. “Ho hum, it’s just a dead black kid in a neighborhood he didn’t live in — probably WAS up to no good.”

            Any lies, obfuscation, or deception coming from the Sanford PD since that night can be attributed to covering for incompetence, not some grand conspiracy to cover for Zimmerman, in my opinion.

            And, I will admit, this is speculation on my part, based on my experiences in life. I find that most people do a halfass job most of the time — including cops.

          • Commander_Chico

            “Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.”

            Hanlon’s (or Heinlein’s, for Rodney’s delight) Razor

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon's_razor

            I would add ” . . . or laziness.”

          • Actually, I think they did.  I’ve seen video clips where you could see Zimmerman’s head wound, and very vaguely the bandage on his nose.  The clips were poor quality, of course, because they were zooms of what looked like 640×480 security footage – which (in my opinion) doesn’t do much except show who threw the first punch in a lot of cases, and isn’t much use otherwise.  If you can’t even read the license on a car….  but anyway.

            If, as reported, Trayvon WAS pounding Zimmerman’s head against concrete (whether it be curb or sidewalk) – then which would you have preferred?

            A live Trayvon and a dead Zimmerman with his head smashed?  Or if Zimmerman’s name had been ‘Garcia’, would you still be so upset?

            Seems to me you’re defaulting to a ‘if the cops said X, then they’re wrong’ mentality.  Maybe I’m defaulting the other way.  But the more I’m seeing about Trayvon’s history, and his Facebook page, and his troubles with school, the more I think he was like the friend of mine who was for a number of years hair-triggered to the pissed-off state.  He was just damned lucky in all the fights he started his opponents weren’t armed, or he’d have been dead.

            Trayvon wasn’t so lucky.

          • Brucehenry

            Actually, your friend seems to more closely resemble Zimmerman, not Martin. Martin’s rather short history of trouble with authority (he was only 17) had no violence in it, while Zimmerman’s did. From the stint as a bouncer at house parties to the 2005 arrest, since expunged, his record is one of anger, bullying, and pushing too far, while Trayvon’s is one of teen fecklessness.

            Oh, and the “as reported’ part of the alleged head-banging was only as reported by Zimmerman. No one else saw it.

          • http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpp/news/neighbor-defends-george-zimmerman-03302012
            Interesting points.

            http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/post/nbc-to-do-internal-investigation-on-zimmerman-segment/2012/03/31/gIQAc4HhnS_blog.html?hpid=z6 

            Never let facts get in the way of a good ratings driver.

            http://sanfordfl.gov/investigation/trayvon_martin.html 

            Raw camera footage.

            3 seconds in – looks like lumps on the back of the head.

            4 seconds in – could be bandage on nose.  

            Darn shame they didn’t use fluorescent green bandages.

            Know you love the idea of a lynch mob, but ‘justice’ isn’t always about what you or I want.

          • jim_m

              but ‘justice’ isn’t always about what you or I want.

            But if democracy is about the left getting their way (ie Russ Feingold “This isn’t over until we win”) Then isn’t justice about the left getting its way too? 

            After all, that is the intent behind the “No Justice. No peace” bullshit they spew.

          • Yes.

            For them.

        • Brucehenry

          BTW, I see in the sidebar that the Jawa Report is jumping to conclusions about this, too. The Jawa Report sucks — they’re the ones who re-posted the Stormfront hoax pics of the wrong kid last weekend.

          • Commander_Chico

            I thought the Jawa Report was Stormfront.

          • I believe you believe that.

            All racism, all the time filters will do that.

          • SCSIwuzzy

            I thought you were the editor of Sturmfront

          • Did I miss your outraged protest of NBC’s admitted Dowdification of the tapes they played?

          • jim_m

             What NBC did is OK.  The left sees that Zimmerman is part white so he is being labelled as white.  As a white person he is culturally guilty of racism. 

            Just as the Duke Lacrosse players his guilt is not found in his actions but in his connection to an ethnic group.  As such it doesn’t matter if the press twists the truth to make Zoimmerman guilty, just as the left defended Nifong when he tried to frame the Duke Lacrosse players.

            Zimmerman is guilty whether he did anything wrong or not.  Social justice demands it.

          • Brucehenry

            Just became aware of it, and I condemn it. 

            I heard the tapes from another source, though, that didn’t have the selective editing. So I heard the 911 dispatcher ask what race the person Zimmerman was observing appeared to be, and the context in which he answered the dispatcher’s question.

             It is indeed unfortunate, and unconscionable, that anyone who was relying solely on NBC didn’t.

            I hope you’re not comparing NBC to Stormfront, Rodney.

            By the way, Rodney, you don’t get to have it both ways. If you’re going to engage with me in the comments, don’t delete or edit my replies like a cowardly bully. And if you ARE going to act in such a cowardly fashion, don’t engage with me in the comments. Fair enough?

          • Well then, Brucehenry, since you choose to put it that way, here’s how it’s going to be.  I shan’t engage you at all.  I shall ensure that you do not engage me, to include any comment on my posts.

            Buh bye.

          • Commander_Chico

            He’s editing and deleting your comments???  WTF? 
             
            Seems like an abuse of editorial privilege to me.

            But authoritarians gotta censor, can’t tolerate dissent. It’s part of that mentality.

          • Brucehenry

            Yup, including the one in which I respond to his “buh bye” post above. Mosquito-like drive-bys are fine, as long as he’s doin’ ’em. reponses to ’em? Not so much.

          • Commander_Chico

            While some of the topics he posts are pretty good, except for his Victor Davis Hanson fetish, he comes off as a mean, frustrated crank in his comments.

          • herddog505

            Your comments are being DELETED???

            If so (and it’s not an issue of foul or abusive language or you trying to sell Amway), then all I can say is, “For shame!”

          • Brucehenry

            LOL I once told a guy on an airplane, “I’d rather spend two hours with a Jehovah’s Witness than 10 minutes with an Amway salesman!”

          • The JW will at least take ‘Not interested, thank you!” for an answer!

          • Be careful in what you wish for.

  • ackwired

    MSNBC and Fox News, identical bookends.

    • Guest

      Fox News is owned by right-wing billionaire Rupert Murdock and MSNBC is owned by left-wing billionaire George Soros so there you go.

      • Commander_Chico

        They are both members of the Billionaire Party, and the USA is a one-party state.

  • LiberalNightmare

    My problem with the narrative that is presented by the left?

    1. The cops let him go.

    2. See #1.

    I know its easier to think that the PD is racist, and Zimmerman is
    racist, and the emts at the scene are racists, the doctors that write the medical report are racists, and the eye witnesses are racists.

    Well, actually it isn’t easier is it? In fact its a lot of work.

    • Guest

      It would be absolutely remarkable and not in a good way if the cops didn’t document and photograph Zimmerman’s injuries. I they didn’t document and photograph Zimmerman’s injuries, knowing they had a dead kid I would say that department is racist yes.

      • jim_m

        They did document the injuries in their report.  You don’t need to photograph evidence in a case where you have decided that there is not a crime.

        You can disagree with the police on this but your disagreement in not evidence of racism on their part.

      • LiberalNightmare

        >>t would be absolutely remarkable and not in a good way if the cops didn’t document and photograph Zimmerman’s injuries.

        Your absolutely right. It would be remarkable for a trained police force to ignore procedure. So why the suspicion that they did?

  • Democrits

    Toure is a low IQ anti-white racist.  Insane meltdown because the phony racist attacks against Zimmerman  are shown to be LIES.  MSNBC is by far the worst of the phony news outlets.  Go Piers!

    • I wouldn’t say he’s low-IQ, but he definitely has a problem with opinions that don’t match his.

      • Democrits

        His speech is halting and he seems slow. Not an expert in intelligence quotient, but not very sharp. He had the sense to apologize, so I give him credit for that.

        • Dense, obstinate, and determined to force the conversation into the mold he wants isn’t slow – but it’s a sign of a single-minded individual who will not allow their attitudes and thoughts to be questioned.

          This wasn’t a good interview for him, at all.  

          • Democrits

            Dense, yes. Stupid, yes. A stubborn person is often a stupid person.

  • Just watched that…

    Damn.

    My respect for Piers Morgan has increased greatly.  

  • Jay

    Geez, Toure seriously needs to get his facts straightened out before getting on live TV.

    I may not agree with the interview, but just the beginning shows that Toure didn’t come in with his ducks lined up in a row about the interview and just looked to attack Piers.

    • Spring-loaded to attack in defense of his opinions, and intolerant of others’.  Kind of sad, in a way – he’ll have a hard time learning anything outside of his carefully constructed box.

    • jim_m

      That’s because to some on the left everything is racism and if you deny that then the reason for your denial is racism.

      “The new racism is denying racism.”   – Bill Maher.  http://legalinsurrection.com/2012/03/saturday-night-card-game-this-is-cold-fusion-on-the-race-card/

      With the immovable confidence in their circular reasoning there is no ability to raise any reasoned objection to their thinking.  Anyone who disagrees is a racist and therefore not fit for participation in society.

      • If you can’t tolerate any other opinion, you might be a leftist.  

        If you think racism is refusing to allow skin color to be the motivating force in all your decisions – you might be a leftist.

        If you think MLK’s dream is racist, you might be a leftist.

  • Wow what a jackass

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    This dude is a tool.  He kept carping that Morgan didn’t challenge Zimmerman’s brother then kept admitting that he did indeed challenge him – but not hard enough, not hostile enough.  He also kept saying, “How could you allow him to say…” It appears his philosophy is that someone should not be allowed to say anything with which you disagree.  It took forever to even get him to be specific on anything.  Doesn’t have all the facts and has already reached a determination on guilt.  He’s self-aggrandizing and immature.

    Totally unprofessional.  Totally.

    • jim_m

       then kept admitting that he did indeed challenge him – but not hard enough, not hostile enough. 

      I took that as an admission that the intent was simply to stoke racial hatred, The whole point is that the race merchants want to elevate racial tension for the sole purpose of increasing their own importance and filling their own pocketbooks.

      • Race-baiting Poverty Pimp – Gen X version.  

        Or, if the only tool you’ve ever been taught to use is a hammer, the only thing you’ll know how to do is hit things – whether they need to be hit or not.

        • jim_m

           When the only examples of black leadership the left has allowed blacks to see it isn’t surprising that this is the level of thinking we end up with.

          I recall years ago Jesse Jackson’s PUSH organization protesting the reconstruction of the Dan Ryan expressway in Chicago by chanting “Give us our share!”.  Despite no qualified minority contractors what they wanted. and ultimately got, was minority owned shell corporations that skimmed off the contract and subbed it out back to the original white contractors.  That is the level of black leadership we historically have in Chicago. 

          It’s not about equality its about the size of the handout.

  • SteveCrickmore075

    I didn’t see the interview, but as I said about a week ago; who cried for help in the 911 call was the key! Might even justify half the hysteria. This was most surely a racist killing, the same way the murder of the two English  unsuspecting white tourists who wandered by foot into  a poor black section of Miami about 200am, last year, and were gunned down by a viscious  black youth, just for the sport, after a failed robbery attempt with a gun bigger than his brain. He was convicted this week after boasting about the murders.

    • jim_m

      This was most surely [looks like] a racist killing [to anyone predisposed to seeing one].

      FIFY

      And it’s a shame that our government has ignored the murder of these 2 UK citizens.  0bama seems compelled to comment on anything he can spin to be racist against blacks but cannot seem to be bothered to ever say anything the least bit critical of criminal action committed by blacks.

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  • Brucehenry

    I suggest everyone here read the Wizbang Pop piece in the sidebar. It’s entitled “George Zimmerman: A History of Arrests and Workplace Violence Emerges.”

    It sums up my theory of this case quite nicely, for the most part. Anyone here want to suggest that it’s not at least as sensible a version of events as any other?

    • Jay

       Yeah, that seems a decently accurate retell of events from what’s gone on so far.

    • herddog505

      Given that we don’t know what happened, just about ANY theory can be a “sensible version of events”.  Here’s one:

      THERE WAS A THIRD MAN!  Yessir, George Zimmerman saw another person roughly fitting Trayvon Martin’s description.  He attempted to follow him, lost him, then ran into the innocent, Skittles-eating Martin while walking back to his car.  Zimmerman, surprised and frightened by turning a corner into (he thought) the “suspicious” character he’d reported to the police, got into an altercation with Martin.  Martin, of course, was wholly innocent.  He was at first indignant, then frightened by Zimmerman.  The situation rapidly escalated to the point that both men thought that they had to fight for their lives.  BANG!

      Or how about this?  The racist Sanford PD has a sooper-dooper top-sekrit murder squad (funded by the Koch brothers) that targets innocent black men.  In this case, they saw a two-fer: they could kill a black man AND set up the pest Zimmerman (who’s half-minority, you know) to take the fall!  Diabolical, eh?

      /sarc

      At this point, all we’ve got is suppositions: “it looks to me like” or “I heard” or “I read somewhere”.  All of this comes from MiniTru, which has had a pretty wretched track record through this whole thing.  First Martin is barely in his teens, then he’s a young man.  He’s a small boy, then he’s a football player.  Zimmerman’s a Jew, then he’s a Latino, then he’s “white Hispanic”.  There have been no end to “witnesses” who saw Zimmerman pummeling Martin, and no end to other “witnesses” who saw Martin pummeling Zimmerman.  There were reports of a 9-11 call from Martin that (thus far) have not proved true.  Zimmerman had a “violent past”.  Martin had a “burglarly tool”.  Martin was on a ten-day suspension.  Zimmerman beat people up.  Martin was a model student.  Zimmerman was well-liked by most of his neighbors.  Etc., etc., etc.  And let’s not overlook the fact that NBC friggin’ doctored Zimmerman’s 9-11 call to make him appear to be a bigot.  Jebus, you still believe these clowns???  I’m almost on the verge of calling my relatives in Florida to see if a city called Sanford even exists.

      People are so eager to shout “case closed”, to either condemn Zimmerman or exonerate him, that they’ll leap at ANY evidence, no matter how tenuous or suspect or unconfirmed.  The Wizbang Pop article does nothing but recycle much of what’s already been said, though it does toss in the whole “two experts have categorically – CATEGORICALLY, comrades! – declared that Martin can be heard shouting for help on some tape.” Who are these “experts”?  What makes them “experts”?  Are there other “experts” who DIDN’T reach that conclusion?

      We shall see.

      Not, of course, that it will make any difference, especially to the left, which collectively decided that Zimmerman was guilty on Day One.

      • Brucehenry

        Yes, we SHALL see, no thanks to the Sanford PD, which had closed the case on Feb 26.

        • herddog505

          Which, OF COURSE, is ipso facto evidence that they are racists, right?

          Next time I see a State Trooper pulling somebody, ESPECIALLY if the trooper is (or appears to be) white and the alleged speeder is black, I shall have to jot down the license plates of both cars so that, if the state attorney general DOESN’T open a full-fledged investigation, I will have “evidence” that the NCHP is involved in a racist cover-up. 

          Say… Attorney General Roy Cooper is white.  WHAT MORE EVIDENCE DO I NEED???  Call Al Sharpton!  Call Jesse Jackson!  Call Eric Holder!  RACISM IN THE NC HIGHWAY PATROL!  Get Soledad O’Brien and Geraldo and Oprah!  We’ll bust this thing wide open!

          /sarc

          • Brucehenry

            No, but given all the unanswered questions you yourself enumerate above, it’s evidence they’re lazy as hell.

            And don’t be so scornful. Is it so ridiculous to suspect that a black kid being shot in a podunk town in Central Florida might be treated lackadaisically by the police?

             Don’t answer that — I’ll do it for you: No, it’s not ridiculous at all.

            Not to me, anyway. Not to most people who have ever dealt with cops. And, I venture to guess, not to most black people who have ever dealt with cops.

            I don’t get the conservative insistence that racism is a thing of the past. Apparently some people think that, once MLK was shot, all racists suddenly felt ashamed of themselves and turned over a new leaf. And if only those pesky liberals and “race pimps” would let the matter drop, we could all just go about our new, color-blind existence!

            I know you guys hate Sharpton and Jackson, but the fact is that if they — or SOMEBODY — hadn’t made a stink about the perfunctory (to appearances, anyway) investigation, Trayvon would be forgotten and an injustice may have occurred.

            Just because Sharpton and Jackson are howling “racism!” doesn’t mean it ISN’T there.

          • herddog505

            Or, if Sharpton and Jackson and the entire left hadn’t started baying for Zimmerman’s blood based SOLELY on his last name and skin color, an injustice may NOT have occured.

            The left was and is so damned sure that Zimmerman shot Martin because he was black and that the Sanford PD covered it up / was lazy for the same reason.  That’s it.  There’s no other evidence at all to support any of these assertions.  It’s one step up from believing that the lunar landings were filmed on a Hollywood sound stage: “Hey, it COULD have happened that way!”

          • Brucehenry

            More hyperbole. Demanding that a proper investigation be conducted and/or an arrest be made is not “baying for blood.”

            The “Jewish last name” thing isn’t working, Herddog. It’s either a deflection tactic on your part or a pathetic attempt at a gotcha. While I don’t deny that anti-Semitism exists, as you seem to do re: racism, I’ve seen no one, explicitly or implicitly, make an issue of Zimmerman’s name — except you, Jim, and Lawson lol. Maybe there’s a New Black Panther doing it, I wouldn’t know.

            The suspicion of lackadaisical conduct on the part of the Sanford PD is not unreasonable considering, ummm, a few hundred years of racial history in the South. Do you honestly think that if, say, the mayor’s son had been skulking about the Retreat at Twin Lakes that night, and had ended up dead, the case against Zimmerman would have been closed within hours? I don’t.

          • Brucehenry

            More hyperbole. Demanding that a proper investigation be conducted and/or an arrest be made is not “baying for blood.”

            The “Jewish last name” thing isn’t working, Herddog. It’s either a deflection tactic on your part or a pathetic attempt at a gotcha. While I don’t deny that anti-Semitism exists, as you seem to do re: racism, I’ve seen no one, explicitly or implicitly, make an issue of Zimmerman’s name — except you, Jim, and Lawson lol. Maybe there’s a New Black Panther doing it, I wouldn’t know.

            The suspicion of lackadaisical conduct on the part of the Sanford PD is not unreasonable considering, ummm, a few hundred years of racial history in the South. Do you honestly think that if, say, the mayor’s son had been skulking about the Retreat at Twin Lakes that night, and had ended up dead, the case against Zimmerman would have been closed within hours? I don’t.

          • Brucehenry

            Hey, I had a reply here. Was it deleted, too?

            What I was saying, Herddog, is that this is more hyperbole. Demanding that a proper investigation be conducted and/or an arrest be made is hardly “baying for blood.”

            The last name bit isn’t working, either. It’s either a deflection tactic on your part or a pathetic attempt at a gotcha. I’ve been following this case since it blew up, and the only ones I’ve seen make an issue of Zimmerman’s last name are you, Jim, and Lawson, lol. Oh, maybe a New Black Panther is doing it, I wouldn’t know.

            The evidence that the Sanford PD may have conducted a lazy investigation is partly, their own history of race issues the past decade or so, and also includes the history of, oh, say, the last hundred years or so of race relations in the South. Police aren’t perfect exemplars of the new color-blind society you want to pretend we all live in, Herddog. Or, rather, WOULD live in, if it wasn’t for those pesky “race pimps.”

            Do you honestly think that if, for instance, the mayor’s son had been visiting someone in that neighborhood that night, and had ended up dead at the hands of a Neighborhood Watch volunteer/wannabe cop with a history of aggression, that the PD would have released the dude in a couple of hours and closed the case? 

            I don’t.

            Edit: My above comment must have hung i moderation or something for over an hour. Sorry for the redundancy.

          • Got something at the bottom…

          • Brucehenry

            Hey, I had a reply here. Was it deleted, too?

            What I was saying, Herddog, is that this is more hyperbole. Demanding that a proper investigation be conducted and/or an arrest be made is hardly “baying for blood.”

            The last name bit isn’t working, either. It’s either a deflection tactic on your part or a pathetic attempt at a gotcha. I’ve been following this case since it blew up, and the only ones I’ve seen make an issue of Zimmerman’s last name are you, Jim, and Lawson, lol. Oh, maybe a New Black Panther is doing it, I wouldn’t know.

            The evidence that the Sanford PD may have conducted a lazy investigation is partly, their own history of race issues the past decade or so, and also includes the history of, oh, say, the last hundred years or so of race relations in the South. Police aren’t perfect exemplars of the new color-blind society you want to pretend we all live in, Herddog. Or, rather, WOULD live in, if it wasn’t for those pesky “race pimps.”

            Do you honestly think that if, for instance, the mayor’s son had been visiting someone in that neighborhood that night, and had ended up dead at the hands of a Neighborhood Watch volunteer/wannabe cop with a history of aggression, that the PD would have released the dude in a couple of hours and closed the case? 

            I don’t.

            Edit: My above comment must have hung i moderation or something for over an hour. Sorry for the redundancy.

          • I don’t HATE them, Bruce.  I simply think that their relevance has passed, and they both know this and will do ANYTHING they have to in order to stay in the lens of the media.

            Some do what they must to change things, then pass the torch to others.  Sharpton and Jackson won’t – they’ve become addicted to the press coverage, and will find some way to maintain their face in front of the camera.  

            They’ll hop on a plane in a heartbeat, if at the end of it there’s a press conference they can crash or a tragedy they can exploit.

          • Brucehenry

            That is a reasonable thing to say.

             But, again, if they — or somebody from outside the Martin family — hadn’t become involved, Trayvon might have been forgotten, and this whole thing swept under the rug. Which is where, I suspect, the Sanford PD intended it to be.

          • Brucehenry

            That is a reasonable thing to say.

             But, again, if they — or somebody from outside the Martin family — hadn’t become involved, Trayvon might have been forgotten, and this whole thing swept under the rug. Which is where, I suspect, the Sanford PD intended it to be.

      • I think it was a micrometeorite, myself, and Zimmerman hurt himself rushing to aid Martin. 

        Anyone have any radar scans for the area at the time?

        No? 

        Proves my case.  😛

  • Gmacr1

    Peirs Morgan’s last statement said it all:
    “I like to think that I’m a professional journalist Toure, I think that you are something else.”

    • Yeah, I think Toure’s not a journalist.  Seems to me he doesn’t have any concern for any other opinion, or facts – he’s got a story, he’s going to push that story, and if anything gets in the way of that story it’s got to be ruthlessly attacked until it’s no longer in the way.

      • Gmacr1

        He would be a ‘Community Organizer’, in this case directing the hate.

        • To be a good community organizer you’ve got  to have a single-minded focus on the enemy you’re organizing against.

          Toure’s halfway there already.

  • Brian_R_Allen

    Seems Piers Stefan O’Meara alias Pughe-Morgan alias Morgan
    has met his ape-sh-t-arrogant match in this pathetic example of
    psychopathologically-narcissistically Projected and
    envy-hatred-and-rage-driven self-and-own-culture loathing.

    But the totalitarian Left and such of its Goebbelsesque Fascist Media
    propagandists as are CNN and PMSNBC may well sew the wind off such as this
    cretinous Touré Neblett — but it will live to appreciate that most evil is banal.

    And to reap the hurricane.

  • greatj

    What do you expect from another race baiting hater from  M.S.N.B.C.They will do and say anything to keep the African American voters all riled up so they vote for Obama and the Democratic party in November 2012.Toure is an Obama toady.

    • Gmacr1

      They already have that vote wrapped up. Turn out is all they are worried about with them.

      • greatj

        GMACR1,
                      We can agree on this but i believe Herman Cain will take ‘some’ votes away from Obama.
                                                  greatj
        P.S.Toure is a piece of trash.

  • What I’m thinking this whole situation proves – no matter who’s right or wrong in it – is that race relations have taken a definite hit over the last 3 years.  Also, that it doesn’t matter what the actual facts are in the story (as shown by how the media’s presented such things as the pictures of the people involved, and how MSNBC twisted the audio around) as much as how the story can be presented to drive ratings up.

    It also shows that there’s far too many people willing to believe without any hesitation that what the media chooses to put out is complete, accurate, and unbiased – despite many examples to the contrary we’re all aware of.

    You want healing?  You won’t get it from someone who sees a big payoff in making sure animosity is running high – whether it is class envy or racial hatred, stoking it gives them a ego boost, especially when they benefit one way or another from the fires they’re fanning.

    We’ve still got a long way to go to achieve MLK’s dream.  The sad thing is, there’s folks in the media spotlight who do not want it to ever come about, because they’d lose their power over their community if it did.

    • Vagabond661

      Desegregation in the 60’s was one of the government’s many failures. TV shows like The Cosby Show or Fresh Prince of Bel Air did more to promote positive race relations. Sadly leaders like Sharpton try to be divisive.

      • jim_m

         To the extent that desegregation was a failure (and I don’t think it was in all aspects), it failed because the means used were themselves founded in racism.

        School busing was founded on the racist idea that putting black children into schools next to white children would make them get better grades. 

        But JLawson is right. All the left’s answers are founded in race and class envy and are all doomed to fail.  They are too focused on tearing down one side fro the sake of the other. 

        The left openly fights against using colorblind standards.  You will never get rid of racism when you are focused solely on race.

        • Gmacr1

          You don’t live in the South do you? The 1964 VRA keeps mandatory rules in place that make the carpetbaggers look like benevolent dictators. Around here you can’t even make a change to school district lines without the consent of the DoJ. God help you if you try to redraw any lines that would affect the pampered class.

        • Vagabond661

          So test scores and graduation rate among blacks are higher now? I am curious to know where the success is in that social experiment.

    • Brucehenry

      And I think your longwinded musings on race relations above have little to do with the facts of the case itself, and much to do with your distaste for Sharpton, Jackson, et al. Oh, and this Toure jackass.

       Who ALSO, btw, are fundamentally misunderstanding it.

      As I’ve stated, the facts suggest that Zimmerman disregarded both NW training (such as it is) and the recommendation of the 911 operator when he chose to follow Trayvon on foot. Zimmerman’s history suggests an attitude of aggression and anger — Trayvon’s does not. Zimmerman’s story that he was brutally attacked, his nose broken and his head repeatedly bashed against the sidewalk, is unconfirmed — indeed, one is told one must strain one’s eyes to see what *might* be a cut on his head or a swollen nose; no explanation is given for the complete lack of any blood or grass stains on his clothes, and the fact that his shirt is STILL TUCKED IN in the video.

      As for your links in the comment upthread, in which you suggested, unfairly, that I “love the idea of a lynch mob,” I still don’t see any lumps, swelling, blood, or grass stains, and I don’t think you do, either. And I don’t see why any more credence should be given to this so-called friend of Zimmerman’s than the former co-worker who called him “Jekyll and Hyde,” or witnesses who said they were “corrected” by the cops as to who was calling for help that night.

      My contention is that this case was botched by laziness, not overt racism. Whatever racism was involved was more of the “what else is new — another dead black wannabe-burglar, huh?” variety.

      It’s unfortunate that Sharpton and Jackson had to get involved in this case, but hey, if they hadn’t, it would have been dropped, and a miscarriage of justice may have occurred. And if Zimmerman is totally innocent, it’s unfortunate that he will have to go through an ordeal. Perhaps he should have thought of that before he broke Neighborhood Watch protocol by arming himself and following Martin on foot after being advised it wasn’t necessary.

      • jim_m

         My contention is that this case was botched by laziness, not overt racism.

        Then you are being far more level headed than most on the left.  And you speak of “Neighborhood Watch Protocol” as if it is something that actually exists.  I assure you that it does not.

        • Brucehenry

          Yes, I’m sure you’re right about “protocol.” I only meant that it’s my understanding that Neighborhood Watch volunteers are 1. not supposed to go about armed with guns, and 2. not supposed to do much more than call 911 when they see something suspicious. I AM correct on those points, am I not?

          • jim_m

             you are very correct

          • Brucehenry

            So, given that, why is it unreasonable to suspect that something is wrong with Zimmerman’s story and the fact that it was so readily swallowed by the Sanford PD?

          • jim_m

             Either that or it is reasonable to assume that Zimmerman observed something that made him deviate from the routine.

            See, It’s just as easy to see things in a non-racist way.

          • Brucehenry

            Or that Zimmerman observed something that made him CHOOSE TO deviate from the routine.

            In either case, “questions swirl,” as it were, and, thank God, further investigation will take place.

            But I don’t think a reasonable person can say, at this point, that there was never any point in going beyond the Sanford PD’s initial response.

             There is, AND WAS, from the first moments after this tragedy, reason to look more deeply into the circumstances surrounding it.

          • jim_m

             Agreed. 

            But I would just say that there is a reason to investigate and that reason does not have to necessitate the existence of racial animus by any party.

            The left has been excessively fast to reach that conclusion and it is very damaging to society.  My belief is that it is deliberate and the damage is intentional.

          • Brucehenry

            I think the suspicion of “those on the left” is that the race of the dead guy, not the live one, is what motivated the cops to take an attitude they perceive as, umm, lackadaisical.

            I happen to think they may be, at least partly, correct. Again, not overt racism so that they actively cover for the “white” guy — more like an attitude that one more dead black kid may not have been worth looking into all that closely. 

            Remember, they had no reason to suspect, back in February, that this case would blow up.

          • jim_m

             Please.  Zimmerman is HIspanic not white.  The fact that he is being called white is a demonstration that this was about fomenting racial hostility.

            My point is that the left has jumped to a conclusion that this was about race.  The conclusion is that Zimmerman did it because of race (which is why they have to characterize him as white) and that the police did nothing because Martin is black. 

            My conclusion is that the jump to the charges of racism is evidence of racism on the part of the left.  WHen you think hat way to begin with you see it everywhere.

          • Brucehenry

            Below.

          • SCSIwuzzy

            Definitely correct on the 2nd point.
            But when I was part of a block watch on the edge of Camden, NJ, I was always armed.  With police grade mace (with the orange dye) and a sturdy knife, since pistols are so hard to own in NJ.  But then again, when walking to the bar in that neighborhood after dark, I always had those items anyway…
            The local police gave us the advice to never, ever engage, but if followed or attacked, do your damnedest to stay on your feet and stay alive.

  • jim_m

    Of course maybe Zimmerman was suspicions because Martin was wearing a hoodie.

    Clearly the government thinks that a hoodie is what people wear when they are up to no good.  http://www.dhs.gov/files/reportincidents/see-something-say-something.shtm

     

  • Brucehenry

    That’s why I put “white” in quotes, Jim.

     I don’t think the accusation is that Zimmerman did it because of race (well, it is, but it’s not the main point) as much as it is that the PD may have dropped the ball because the death of a black kid wasn’t as important to them as it should have been.

    • jim_m

       I’m not saying that you were claiming that Zimmerman did it because he’s racist.  I;m saying that this is what a lot of lefties (including this douche bag Toure) are saying,

      • Brucehenry

        To dismiss out of hand even the possibility of racism as a motivation, either for Zimmerman’s actions or the Sanford PD’s inaction, is at least as unrealistic as the leap to the automatic assumption that it was the ONLY factor.

        • jim_m

          Perhaps I dismiss it because the left is seeing racism under every rock.  WHen everything is RACISM!!!!! then I have a hard time accepting that anything is racism. 

          As far as I am concerned as soon as Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson shows up I have enough proof that this has nothing to do with racism and everything to do with their BS political games.

          Perhaps for your political edification you could review the story of the boy who cried wolf!

          “There really was a wolf here! The flock has scattered! I cried out, “Wolf!” Why didn’t you come?”

          An old man tried to comfort the boy as they walked back to the village.

          “We’ll help you look for the lost sheep in the morning,” he said, putting his arm around the youth, “Nobody believes a liar…even when he is telling the truth!”

          http://www.storyarts.org/library/aesops/stories/boy.html

          • Brucehenry

            Dude, don’t be so patronizing. We all know the fable.

            For someone who routinely accuses others of knee-jerk reactions, your statement above regarding Sharpton and Jackson is kinda funny, Jim. But I agree those guys are a pain in the ass.

             The problem is, if it wasn’t for them and people like them, Trayvon would be forgotten by now, and as you agree above, this case merits further investigation. If it hadn’t been for them — or SOMEBODY — making a stink, it wouldn’t be getting the attention that it is, and therefore a miscarriage of justice may have occurred.

            And of course, as for the charges of seeing racism under every rock, do you begin to understand liberal weariness at having every progressive proposal described as “socializm!!!”?

          • Brucehenry protests: “We all know the fable.”

            You sure fooled us then.

          • jim_m

             Bruce probably knows it, But Al and Jesse seem to have forgotten the message.

          • jim_m

             do you begin to understand liberal weariness at having every progressive proposal described as “socializm!!!”?

            Perhaps then you should stop being a liberal because for the last 40+years the left has rested on an ideological foundation of socialism.  The dems have Congressmen that openly advocate communism and 0bama has appointed czars who are open communists and has many associates past and present who are open communists.

            You don’t like being called a socialist?  Stop being one.

            While socialism is a description of the outcome of a policy, the charge of racism describes the motivation behind an action.  By saying that every action is racism and that every word is some make believe code for racist thought the left just makes clowns of themselves.

            Lefties here complain that I make statements of how they think.  Every charge of racism from the left and every charge of people using code words is no different. 

            The ultimate effect you are having is that I am not a racist but since I am going to be constantly accused of being one then I might as well act like one. The effect is that the left is encouraging racism by making the outcomes for not being racist and being racist one and the same.

            The villagers were probably so sick of the little brat crying wolf that they probably went out and got one.  That is what the dems are doing with race.

          • Brucehenry

            Re-read your second paragraph, Jim, and tell me it’s not over the top.

            Forget “socializm!!!” What about every move liberals make being described as “anti-American”? It is to laugh.

            Meanwhile, Romney calls for the president to release all his correspondence with foreign heads of state for the last 3+ years. Can you imagine the foaming at the mouth that would ensue about “treason” had a Democratic candidate running against a Republican incumbent made a ridiculous proposal such as that?

          • jim_m

             Granted not every action that every liberal does is anti-American.  I think there are some withing the democratic party who still love America, but I think that they are dwindling.  Plus, obama has been openly anti-American in the past and argument can be made that his policies are exactly that.

          • Brucehenry

            Not to patronize, but to that I can only say, “If you say so, Jim…”

          • I’m sure that there is a Democrat out there somewhere who loves his country and places country before party.  I’m also quite sure he’s a very lonely individual.

          • jim_m

             Zell Miller retired

          • Jay

             Perhaps then you should stop being a liberal because for the last
            40+years the left has rested on an ideological foundation of socialism. 

            It’s rather odd when you state something like this when most people can point to the current links between the GOP and Objectivism and worry about the concept of conservatism in the US in that same time frame…

          • Ayn Rand’s “Objectivism” is more closely identified with (and cited by) Libertarians than the Republican Party.

            But our thanks to you for once again demonstrating that soi-dissant Liberals, Progressives, and Democrats really don’t know the differences between Conservatives, Libertarians, Republicans, and libertarians.

          • Jay

             Paul Ryan’s austerity plan being recognized by Mitt Romney and endorsed by most Republicans which doesn’t even try to balance the budget (a key point for conservatives)…

            Yeah…  More closely identified with Libertarians, but very insidious to the GOP’s ideology.

          • The Objectivist basis of the Ryan budget is what, exactly?

          • SCSIwuzzy

            When in comes to Sharpton… Tawana Brawley?
            The man has incited riots before…

          • jim_m

             And murders.

        • Unfortunately, that’s the leap that seems to have been made as soon as it was found someone called ‘Zimmerman’ had killed a ‘black child’.   

          Any thought that it WASN’T racism was tossed out the window by a lot of people.

          And yes, I think that the race-baiting poverty pimp brigade (which, sadly, includes O) are wringing everything they possibly can out of this mess.  

          The more mileage they can get, the better chance they’ve got to ensure a lock on the black vote. ‘Trayvon’s Justice!’ will certainly make a nice rallying cry for Obama after this, won’t it?

          Was that short enough for you? 😉

          • Brucehenry

            I guess me calling you longwinded was a case of pot meeting kettle, Lawson. Got me there.

            Anyway, I can’t speak for Sharpton, Jackson, or anybody on “the left” except myself. I think I (and others) have made a case that this tragedy deserves further investigation, that the possibility that Zimmerman is at fault is at least as realistic as that Trayvon was, and that the Sanford PD still has some ‘splainin’ to do.

            Do you disagree? That I’ve made a reasonable argument, I mean, not that I’m necessarily correct.

          • jim_m

             A compelling argument that further investigation was wanted could have been done without the charges of racism.

            In fact I would argue that the unsubstantiated charges of racism (and charges of racism against anyone who denies that this was racism) have materially damaged your argument even if you have not made them yourself.

          • I know that you’ve got a suspicion it wasn’t a good investigation. I’m not sure why you think so, but I’ll admit you’re making a reasonable argument.  

            Would you still have that concern though if it had been a black on black crime?  If instead of Zimmerman it’d been a Garcia or Lopez?

            (Which also brings up the thought of Jews being the canaries in our sociological coal mine, but that’s for another time.)

            As far as further investigation goes – what do you think the chance is of it being accepted by the folks who are so stridently calling for it… if it doesn’t turn out the way they seem to want it – with Zimmerman prosecuted and convicted for murder?

            Because I sadly don’t think that an investigation that clears the guy will be accepted.  This isn’t going to be over quick, no matter what…

            Sorry for the delay in answering – had some things going on…

          • jim_m

             Without the Jewish surname and without being called “White” this is a non issue for Sharpton, Jackson and the MSM. 

            Without the racial component against Zimmerman we never heard anything about it.

          •  Indeed.

          • Brucehenry

            As I’ve said, I think this has less to do with the race of the alleged “perp” (as it were) than the race of the dead boy.

            The suspicion is that the Sanford PD didn’t give much of a damn that a black kid had wound up dead. And that therefore they didn’t execute much of an investigation.

            And please, both of you, (Jim and Lawson) enough with the Jewy jew jew stuff. Are people with Jewish surnames immune from criticism or suspicion now? This seems to me to be a deflection tactic, beneath you guys.

          • Bruce –

            Re the Jewish name stuff.  I’m looking over in the EU – and animosity against Jews is running high, apparently so much so that considerable numbers are bugging out for more friendly countries.  

            I tend to see such things as a warning signal.  The anti-Jewish fever indicates deeper problems brewing, and bears watching.

            History does repeat in varying forms… and what’s happened before looks to be happening again.

            No deflection, just observation.  I don’t see the name as immune from criticism or suspicion – but as I said this wouldn’t have gone anywhere as far if he’d been a Lopez.  Neither do I think he’d have been labeled a “White Hispanic” if it weren’t for that name. 

            (Shrug.) Doesn’t matter much anyway.  I think this’ll be off the radar in a week or so, when the media finds some other cause to chase after.

          • jim_m

            Yep.  The “White Hispanic” thing is a dead give away that this is about the racist motivations in the media more than it is in Zimmerman’s heart.

          • Brucehenry

            Maybe, but as I’ve said numerous times on this and other threads, the anger, I think, has more to do with the suspicion that the PD just didn’t give enough of a shit about the death of a black teenager to do a proper investigation.

             And given all the “questions swirling,” I think I agree.

            Maybe you’re right that Sharpton and Jackson  wouldn’t have swooped in if the shooter’s name was Lopez, but the kid’s parents, it seems to me, would have just as much right to be outraged as they have now.

          • Liked.

            You sure someone didn’t hack your account to post this?  😉

  • “Regardless of this fact, George Zimmerman has been hiding for his life because of the death threats made against him by the black community … all of our family is in hiding and frankly scared by the threats,” the family member wrote in the letter dated March 26, but shared with TheDC on Monday.

    “There has been an unprecedented rush to judge George regardless of the facts. The black community as a whole has turned their backs and blindly followed the furor stirred up by self-proclaimed leaders of your community. These leaders have rallies and chant horrible things of a person they know nothing about.”

    The letter also described how Zimmerman was one of “very few” in Sanford, Fla., who spoke out publicly to condemn the “beating of the black homeless man Sherman Ware on December 4, 2010 by the son of a Sanford police officer.”

    “Do you know the individual that stepped up when no one else in the black community would?” the family member wrote. “Do you know who spent tireless hours putting flyers on the cars of persons parked in the churches of the black community? Do you know who waited for the church‐goers to get out of church so that he could hand them fliers in an attempt to organize the black community against this horrible miscarriage of justice? Do you know who helped organize the City Hall meeting on January 8th, 2011 at Sanford City Hall??”

    “That person was GEORGE ZIMMERMAN. Ironic isn’t it?”

    “The main point for this letter is to explain to you that the black community has labeled George a racist without any investigation at all,” the letter continued. “Regardless of the fact that George personally spoke to many of your constituents, not one has stepped forward and said, ‘Hey I know that face. That is the Hispanic guy that was standing up for Sherman Ware. That was the only non‐black face in the meetings for justice in this case.’”

    Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/04/02/zimmerman-family-member-calls-naacp-racists-says-there-will-be-blood-on-your-hands-if-george-is-hurt/#ixzz1qzI2tBKU

    NAACP leaders in area aren’t agreeing with Sharpton.

    http://www.clickorlando.com/news/Civil-rights-leaders-condemn-Sharpton-s-call-for-escalated-civil-disobedience/-/1637132/9863196/-/owq31pz/-/

    Zimmerman family letter to NAACP.

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/87688384/Zimmerman-family-member-letter-to-NAACP

    • Brucehenry

      So, how does the fact that the NAACP is refusing to join in Sharpton’s call for “escalation” play into your “howling lynch mob” theory?

      And why is this anonymous family member sending this letter to the NAACP if the NAACP is taking a more moderate stance? Why not send it to Sharpton?

      And what do we have, beyond Zimmerman’s word to this anonymous letter-writer, that demonstrates his alleged participation in the protests over the previous racial incident involving the Sanford PD?

      BTW, plugging “Sherman Ware Sanford PD shooting” into Google led me to several articles chronicling several questionable, racially-charged shooting and beating cases involving Sanford PD officers, their relatives, and volunteers with the department. Perhaps Sanford’s black community have excellent reasons for their suspicions. You try it.

      • Local leadership of the NAACP isn’t joining in.  National, however, doesn’t really seem to care what the facts are.  They KNOW the facts.  The facts are, Zimmerman killed a kid.  Anything else – everything else – is irrelevant.

        Like I said – I think this story’s got legs for about one more day.  Media’s walking back the rhetoric at this point, releasing ‘facts’ that are all of a sudden are worth noting while they weren’t before.  Their biases and failures have been exposed, they need to get folks to forget their lousy coverage of this matter.

        http://justoneminute.typepad.com/main/2012/04/trayvon-martin-and-the-meme-too-big-too-die.html

        They know they’ve stepped in it, and want to clean themselves off before the next good ratings opportunity hits.

        The more I’ve seen, the more I think it was self-defense. 

        Your mileage may vary. 

        Such is life.

        • Brucehenry

          Again, I know the Wizbang articles (and the other rightist blog articles) are about the lamestream media and liberals and BIRM and yada yada Jackson and blahblah Jackson. But that’s NOT THE POINT we should all be worrying about. Or at least, it’s not the most important point.

          The point is, a kid, who no one has accused of committing any crime, wound up dead that night. Whether Zimmerman had racist motives or not, the Sanford PD has a recent history of making questionable judgements in cases like this, so the local black community and the boy’s family have plenty of cause to be suspicious.

          As I said to Herddog this morning, way upthread, does anyone here honestly think that if the mayor’s son had wound up dead that night at the hands of a guy with Zimmerman’s history, that the police would have closed the case in two or three hours? ‘Cause I sure don’t.

          • herddog505

            And would that political influence on a police investigation have been a good thing?  Because that’s just what’s going on here.  Just as the mayor might have demanded a “full investigation” to “prove” that his son – whom he just KNOWS is innocent – did nothing wrong and the police didn’t nab the REAL culprit, the left is demanding a “full investigation” to “prove” that Zimmerman and the Sanford PD – whom they just KNOW are guilty – did something wrong.

            There’s a saying in the law that some things are so obvious that they don’t need to be argued.  I suggest that this is such a case.  Based on some of the evidence that’s slowly dribbled out, here’s what we may well have:

            — Citizen calls the police about a suspicious character.

            — Police respond.  Meanwhile, they get another call about a fight and a shooting in the same place.

            — They arrive to find George Zimmerman, injured and obviously having been in a fight, standing over the body of Trayvon Martin.  Zimmerman tells them that he had called them about the suspicious character, that the dead man (Martin) IS that suspicious character, that Martin had attacked him, and that Zimmerman had shot him in self defense.  Zimmerman is injured; the dead man has a bullet wound consistent with having gotten it in a struggle.

            — The police take Zimmerman into custody.  They get him patched up.  His story is simple; he is cooperative.  THEY HAVE NO REASON TO THINK THAT HE IS LYING OR THAT HIS VERSION OF EVENTS ISN’T TRUE.  Even if they DID think that he was lying, they do not have enough evidence to even hope for a conviction.

            Case closed.

            But, of course, that’s not good enough for the left, who are CERTAIN – based on nothing but conjecture – that Zimmerman followed, confronted, and shot Martin solely because he was black, and that the Sanford PD gave a collective, “Meh” and did a half-a**ed job of investigating the shooting for the same reason.  It’s RAAAAACISM, Watson.  I’m sure of it.

            And let’s consider all the “evidence” that wasn’t, all the things that MiniTru and the left (BIRM) told us about the case that turned out not to be true.

            — Martin was just a little boy.  Not so; he was a fairly sizable though slim 17 year old.

            — Zimmerman was a fata**.  Not so; he was not much heavier than Martin and rather shorter.

            — The Sanford PD showed up, took one look, gave Zimmerman his gun back, and sent him on his way.  Not so; he was taken into custody.

            — Zimmerman showed no signs of having been in a fight.  Not so; he can been seen on police station cameras with signs of injury, and one of the responding officers has written that Zimmerman was injured.

            — Zimmerman said “coons” on his 9-11 call.  Perhaps not true; the audio is so bad at that point that it can’t be said with certainty what he said.  AoSHQ has some audio analysis; they think he said “punks”.

            — Zimmerman’s father was a judge and used his influence to get Zimmerman off.  This is laughable; Zimmerman’s father is a retired magistrate from a different state.

            Further, we have some outright journalistic malfeasance: NBC “selectively editing” Zimmerman’s 9-11 call to make it appear that he found Martin suspicious SOLELY because he was black, and ABC showing low-res video of Zimmerman at the Sanford PD station so that it was “obvious” to lefties that he wasn’t injured.

            So, I suggest that the demands for “investigation” are AT BEST based on a hasty, incomplete understanding of the actual evidence, and at worst are motivated by nothing more than racism: Zimmerman is white (and has a Jewish name),  Martin was black, and so Zimmerman MUST be guilty.

            So, what OUGHT the Sanford PD have done that they apparently didn’t do?  Put Zimmerman under the lights and give him the third degree to make him confess that he set out to shoot Martin?  Waterboard him?  Hang him out of hand to appease the mob?

          • And, just as importantly, would we be hearing the same same from the left if it had been Zimmerman who wound up dead?  Would Al and Jesse be all over it?  Would the LSM be all over it?

          • Brucehenry

            They could have charged him with manslaughter (as the lead homicide detective wanted), asked for a low bail, and investigated further.

             As it is, the case has been taken away from them, the police chief has stepped aside “temporarily,” and Zimmerman will still have to go through a legal ordeal. I bet they wish they HAD charged him with something.

            And however scornfully you phrase it, the suspicion that a podunk Central Florida PD might not give two shits about a black kid “getting himself killed” is not unreasonable. Especially one with the Sanford PD’s history. Look it up.

            And one more time: ENOUGH with the Jewish name schtick. I’m not aware of ANY of my fellow Howling Lynch Mob members making ANY issue of this guy’s name. Are you? Or are you just doing what you accuse “the left” of doing — crying “aaanti-seeeeemitzzmm” without any basis in fact?

          • herddog505

            Talk to your chum, Jay.  I believe that he coined the term “half Hispanic, half Jewish, all bigot”. 

            [EDIT]

            http://wizbangblog.com/2012/03/22/why-are-the-deaths-of-these-black-men-being-ignored/#comment-473809516

            [/EDIT]

            Or you can go back to one of the early WaPo stories about this mess, where they raised the “Jewishness” of Zimmerman’s name.

            http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/who-is-george-zimmerman/2012/03/22/gIQAkXdbUS_story.html

            Note the double standard: Zimmerman, because he mentioned Martin’s skin color during his 9-11 call, is a RAAAAACIST.  But yapping about Zimmerman’s “Jewish” last name… Meh.  Nothing to see here.  Move along.

            Now:

            1.  Why would the Sanford PD charge Zimmerman with manslaughter – or any other crime – if they had no good reason to believe that such had been committed OR that they would have little chance of a successful prosecution?  I realize that his skin color is ipso facto evidence of guilt for the lynch mob, but the rest of us – and, I assume, the Sanford PD – need a bit more.

            2.  Yeah, the police chief stepped aside temporarily when it became clear that a fairly routine case was being blown into a racist lynching.

            3.  Sanford, that “podunk” town, has a population of about fifty thousand people.  It is part of the greater Orlando metro area, which had a total population of over two million.  Sanford has a police force of about 140 officers.  It ain’t exactly the fictional town of Sparta, Mississippi.

            4.  As for the “history” of the Sanford PD, I see on the Wiki page exactly ONE racially-connected incident from 2005:

            On 16 July 2005, two parking lot security guards, one the son of a Sanford Police Department veteran and the other a volunteer for the department, shot a black teen, Travares McGill, in the back, killing him. They claimed self-defense, and the case was dismissed in court. [emphasis mine – hd505]

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanford_Police_Department_(Florida)

            Note the bold portion: dismissed IN COURT.  This appears pretty clearly to NOT be a case where the RAAAAACIST Sanford PD went “Meh” when a black kid was shot; it went to court.  THIS is the branch you’re trying to hang them from???  That, nearly seven years ago, one black kid was shot, the officers claimed self-defense, and a court agreed???

            You people are really grasping at straws.  The “evidence” of wrongdoing by Zimmerman and the Sanford PD basically boils down to a lot of “facts” that were gotten wrong by MiniTru… and Zimmerman’s skin color.  Having decided from the beginning that he was guilty, you can’t climb down.  So, you must drag in Zimmerman’s “violent” past, allegations that the Sanford PD has some sort of “racist” history, claims that Sanford is a hick backwater where the popular Saturday night entertainment is a cross burning, etc.  What’s next?  Reminding us that Florida was one of the states in the CSA?

          • Brucehenry

            Do all your replies have to include such hyperbole?

            Jay’s one-time snark and a passing, one-line reference to a surname that “could be Jewish” in a WaPo piece from two weeks ago merit your obsession with mentioning Zimmerman’s name’s ethnic provenance as evidence of the anti-Semitism of the left? Pppfffttt. Or, as you like to say…Bah.

            Wikipedia apparently needs an update. Try Googling “Sherman Ware Sanford FL police” and see what comes up. (Hint: an incident from 2010 in which the previous police chief lost his job due to a lackadaisical attitude about a crime against a black man.)

            BTW, almost all Central Florida towns rather grotesquely swelled in population since Disney World opened in the early 1970s. “Podunk” can be used as an adjective to accurately describe the attitudes of many of the city fathers of these towns. When I lived in Daytona Beach, Sanford wasn’t considered to be part of Orlando Metro. It was a town midway between Daytona and Orlando, famous for its largemouth bass fishing. Swelling in population doesn’t necessarily make it Berkeley, CA.

            Also, I still don’t see an answer to my hypothetical what if. I say the case might — would — have been more thoroughly investigated had the dead kid been the son of the mayor, or some other prominent person. I and others suspect due diligence wasn’t done. That doesn’t make us a “lynch mob.”

          • herddog505

            1.  Jay has, I believe, used the line about “Jew” more than once.

            2.  If I or anybody else referred to Barry as “half black, half Muslim, all bigot”, the screams of “RAAAACISM” would be audible on Pluto.  Apparently, what can easily be seen as thinly-veiled anti-Semitism warrants a big yawn from you.

            3.  Ah, I see.  Florida – ALL of that part of Florida – is “podunk”.  And RAAAACIST.  Got it.  BTW, what sort of people moved in to cause that “swelling” of population?  Bigots and mouthbreating, drooling rednecks from other podunk towns?  Or did those little Florida towns, not unlike the small towns around Raleigh / Durham / Chapel Hill which “swelled” due to RTP, become rather more diverse and cosmopolitan?

            4.  With regard to Sherman Ware, I looked it up.  I find this… interesting:

            One of the first officers at the scene was Zachary Glenn, who ordered Collison to sit in the back of a patrol car. Collison then told him he was the son of Sanford police Lt. Chris Collison, Glenn told the internal-affairs investigator.

            Collison phoned his father, and his father called Raimondo. Lt. Collison did not ask for special treatment, Raimondo said.

            Raimondo made the no-arrest decision after talking to watch commander Lt. Mike Taylor, who also was at the scene. Both men said that was because the man who was knocked out, Sherman Ware, did not give police a sworn statement.

            After news of what had happened began to buzz around police headquarters, Raimondo told his officers at the next shift change meeting, “I’m not in the business of putting cops’ kids in jail unless I absolutely have to,” according to two officers at that meeting.

            http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2011-03-04/news/os-sanford-police-internal-justin-col20110304_1_justin-collison-sherman-ware-sanford-cops

            Gosh, you mean to say that the cops let a guy go after the person he hit didn’t give the police a statement?  Why, it MUST be RAAAAACISM!  The fact that the assailant was the son of the head of a POLICE LIEUTENANT had NOTHING to do with it.

            /sarc

            5.  As for your hypothetical, what can I say?  Yes, it’s likely that the mayor could / would have used his influence to (ahem) get a “full investigation”.  So, you may now answer my question: do you regard this as a good thing???

            Again, you are grasping at straws.

          • Brucehenry

            As I say further down thread, if it had been the mayor’s kid, no one would have had to use their influence. The cops would have been more diligent than they were in the Martin case. At least, I bet they would have, don’t you?

            As for Mr Ware, I’m pretty sure a homeless black guy would be pretty reticent to talk to the cops for any reason. But who knows? And I cite it as one reason the black community of Sanford may suspect lax conduct in this investigation.

            EDIT: LOL, did you read the whole article you lnked to? The paragraph you quoted seemed innocuous enough, but the whole article is pretty freakin’ damning, don’t you think? Or, at least, it might give a black community pause, anyway.

            Again, I don’t get the refusal to consider the possibility that a “who-gives-a-shit-it’s-just-another-dead-black-kid” attitude may have played a part in this fiasco.

             But you and I are never going to agree on this. I’ve seen enough evidence in my life to smell racism, overt or latent, in places and situations where you, apparently, don’t — or won’t.

            Police racism isn’t something that must be proved here. This is Wizbang, not a civil or criminal court. I suspect the who-cares kind here. You insist that racism is absolutely NOT a factor, apparently. No way! No how! I respectfully disagree.

          • herddog505

            Oh, racism certainly isn’t dead.  There’s a significant number of people who are willing to hang George Zimmerman out of hand because of the color of his skin.  No, it most CERTAINLY isn’t dead.

          • Brucehenry

            Hyperbole again. No one wants a hanging. They want justice.

          • Brucehenry

            Also, the police, if I’m not mistaken, could simply have informed Zimmerman he was a person of interest in an unsolved homicide, and kept the case open. Instead, they closed the case in what is perceived to be a rather hurried manner, thus arousing the suspicion of us Howling Lynch Mob members.

          • Jay

             Jay has, I believe, used the line about “Jew” more than once.

            Nope.  Just that once.  It was snark at the comment about him not being “white”.  Other than that, you’re trying to grasp straws.

          • Jay

             Talk to your chum, Jay.  I believe that he coined the term “half Hispanic, half Jewish, all bigot”.

            Yep.

            : Zimmerman, because he mentioned Martin’s skin color during his 9-11
            call, is a RAAAAACIST.  But yapping about Zimmerman’s “Jewish” last
            name… Meh.  Nothing to see here.  Move along.

             Because he remarked with the term “F’n Coons” exposing exactly what he was.

            “But he’s Hispanic!”

            Doesn’t mean he can’t be racist.  And seeing as how he’s called in 46 times to police and had limited success, it’s pretty telling why he was tailing Martin for no reason other than “walking while black”.  That’s a great crime to be convicted of.

            1.  Why would the Sanford PD charge Zimmerman with manslaughter – or any
            other crime – if they had no good reason to believe that such had been
            committed OR that they would have little chance of a successful
            prosecution?  I realize that his skin color is ipso facto evidence of guilt for the lynch mob, but the rest of us – and, I assume, the Sanford PD – need a bit more.

            Look up “Negligent homicide” then get back to us.  There was plenty to go with but the higher ups interfered. 

            2.  Yeah, the police chief stepped aside temporarily when it became
            clear that a fairly routine case was being blown into a racist lynching.

            Right… The fact that he botched an investigation and tried to cover up isn’t of huge note here.  “Nothing to see here but the death of a black kid who had a deadly weapon of Skittles to fight back with.”

            Note the bold portion: dismissed IN COURT.  This appears pretty clearly
            to NOT be a case where the RAAAAACIST Sanford PD went “Meh” when a black
            kid was shot; it went to court.  THIS is the branch you’re trying to
            hang them from???  That, nearly seven years ago, one black kid was shot, the officers claimed self-defense, and a court agreed???

            You must not be paying attention to how police in general are not being held accountable for their actions in the country.  One of the most recent examples is Kenneth Chamberlain who was killed when the police barged into his house, tasered him and then shot him.  His crime?  Accidently setting off a medical alarm in his sleep.

            Anna Brown – Lost her home, no healthcare, and died from a blood clot that went into her lung in a jail cell.  No drugs found in her.

            Black cop shot 28 times, then sentenced to 80 years in prison while being acquitted of all charges including firing his weapon.

            And I could go on.  Two are examples of police brutality.  One is an example of how our system could be much better.  But notice the narrative here.  We have an underlying racist problem that is not being discussed in detail in America.

            The “evidence” of wrongdoing by Zimmerman and the Sanford PD basically
            boils down to a lot of “facts” that were gotten wrong by MiniTru.

            Except not everyone is getting facts from MiniTru…

            and Zimmerman’s skin color.
            … Seriously?  Reverse racism?  Because he decided to tail a kid in the rain and try to stop him for an alleged crime?  That’s the best you can offer into why he needed to be shot and killed?

            So, you must drag in Zimmerman’s “violent” past,

            Right, it’s the reason why he lawyered up and went into hiding.  Because he’s so innocent of killing someone and his past doesn’t expose that he’s unstable.

            allegations that the Sanford PD has some sort of “racist” history

            The why does the history of Sanford say otherwise?  And in a fit of irony, Zimmerman wanted justice in the 2010 incident where the police didn’t arrest the chief’s son.

            Gotta call it like I see it, but damn does this speak ill of the police in Sanford…

            Reminding us that Florida was one of the states in the CSA?

            Just for fun, the RNC can’t ban guns but they can ban super soakers.

          • jim_m

             Seriously?

            You are going to declare a man to be racist on the basis of his answering a direct question from the 911 operator about Martin’s race?

            You are going to declare him racist based on your perception of what he says on a poor quality audio tape that half the people interpret differently?

            You really are an ass.

          • Jay

             The epithet under his breath is the reason I believe he’s racist to a certain degree.

            And you Jim maintain your ignorant asshole persona by never actually discussing points.

            Wake me up when you can explain why Anna Brown died in a jail cell while going to the hospital for her leg.  Or how about our discussion into cancer?

            It seems we have a major disagreement on that front and you seem intent on running for the hills and hiding behind anecdotal evidence.

          • Brucehenry

            Also, my point is that if it HAD been the mayor’s son, no one would have to demand anything. You can bet the police would have looked into Zimmerman’s criminal and employment history, and taken their sweet freaking time before closing the case.

  • I give the media about another day on this, then they’ll quietly back away and look for something shiny to obsess over.

    “What – us? Going overboard on incomplete info? No, must have been someone else you’re thinking of…”