“That was before…”

Bob Owens walks back his George Zimmerman is a murderer claim made just a few weeks ago:

George-zimmermanHow naive that post now seems. The narrative created by the media at that time was one of an innocent life taken for no reason at all, by a much older, heavier, and racist man itching for a confrontation.

That was before we found out there was only one gunshot and no coup de grâce. That was before we found out that George Zimmerman had not deluged the local police with 46 paranoid 911 calls in one year, but 46 calls over a period of eight years, which isn’t unreasonable for a community watch volunteer. The media had either lied about how often he called, or purposefully compressed the timeline.

That was before we learned that Zimmerman didn’t know Martin’s race when he made the call, and that race didn’t play a roll in any of the 911 calls the local police had on file.

That was before we discovered that George Zimmerman wasn’t the 240-plus pound bruiser in the five-year-old picture the media used as much as possible, but was listed at a much smaller 170 pounds by none other than theNew York Times. That’s a nominal 20 pounds heavier than a teen that stood four inches over him.

That was before we found out that two eyewitnesses placed Martin on top of Zimmerman as the aggressor, and that at least one of them claims it was Zimmerman crying for help.

That was before ABC News attempted to claim police surveillance video disproved Zimmerman’s claim of being injured in what may have been a purposeful deception. The very same news organization was forced to later admit the presence of two lacerations on the back of George Zimmerman’s skull consistent with his claim of self-defense. In the end, details of the beating Zimmerman suffered at Trayvon Martin’s hands were only given a brief mention in the local news.

That was before NBC News was forced to fire a senior producer for selectively editing audio of Zimmerman’s 911 call in a deliberate effort to make him sound racist.

And of course, almost no one knows that on the night he took Trayvon Martin’s life, George Zimmerman willingly consented to take a voice stress analyzer test, a kind of lie detector test used by the Sanford police. He passed it.

The narrative has changed in the wake of new details, eyewitnesses, and embarrassing retreats. The actual story may in fact have been a textbook example of the proper use of deadly force.

There’s more.

It’s worth a read if only to entertain the notion that others might follow suit.

Well… I did say entertain.

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  • Wild_Willie

    I feel very sorry for this man. He has been “Jeweled” by the MSM and race hustlers. The toothpaste cannot go back into the bottle. There will be blood. It will be on the hands of the MSM and Sharpton. ww

  • herddog505

    As I’ve written before, my suspicions were raised by the photos that ran endlessly: the smiling, happy, and YOUNG Martin vs. the glowering Zimmerman.  When somebody’s trying that hard to feed you something, it’s time to look carefully at what’s on the plate.

  • Commander_Chico

    He’s got a webpage up, looking for PayPal donations.  I hope all Wizbangers will dig deep in their pockets:


    • jim_m

       That’s it Chica.  Don’t bother addressing the evidence that shows that you have been desperately trying to railroad this guy along with your leftist fellow travelers.

      Just continue to ignore the fact that NBC, ABC, CNN the NYT and others have stopped following this story and have walked back their claims.  What you believe on this story has been disowned by those who reported it.

    • Hank_M

       Let me know when he trademarks his name.

      • Guest

        Which would be a good idea for him IMO.  

    •  So how much have you collected with your web site?


  • Guest

    My opinion stands more or less where it was before.  I don’t know that there’s enough evidence to sustain a self-defense claim, and I would have liked to see this go to a jury.  

    • herddog505

      It appears that this is exactly what is going to happen.

      Six letter word meaning “place where people watch clowns and animals perform”.

      • jim_m

         Six letter word meaning “place where people watch clowns and animals perform”.

        “Congress” has seven letters in it.  Unless I mistake your meaning.

        • herddog505

          Depending on one’s view of lawyers and judges, “court” would also work, but only has five letters!

    • Hank_M

       2 thoughts….

      I seriously doubt he could get a fair trial now.

      As to the jury, if the evidence resulted in an acquittal, they’d have to go into hiding.

  • Guest

    Sorry to hijack the thread, but wanted to get everyone’s thoughts on this case:


    I’m not going to comment either way on it.  Just want to get thoughts.  

  • 914

    If I had a son who had been convicted by the msm and race pimps, he would look just like George..

  • Hugh_G

    This case really hinges on the meaning of the Florida statute. This is where it starts. The statute seems pretty clear to me. The provision which may  cause Mr. Zimmerman the problem is 776.042 “Use of force by aggressor.” This section states that the defense of “justifiable use of force” is not available when the person is the initial aggressor.

    If the special prosecutor decides that there is enough evidence to show that Mr. Zimmerman provoked the use of force against him then he cannot use that defense (the prosecutor would argue). That becomes a jury question. If that’s what the prosecutor believes I think he’ll be charged with some degree of manslaughter.

    None of us, on either side of the issue, knows all the facts. That’s what prosecutors gather and make decisions about. For example there may be forensic evidence that she feels is strong. Again, we don’t know. Ultimately the facts will come out in the trial and we’ll all know.

     One piece of damning evidence, which if true, is that Zimmerman was told not to follow him. That and other evidence may lead to the prosecutor deciding to charge him.

    • iwogisdead

      The statute says nothing about an “aggressor.” The statute only talks about a person who is “attacked.” I am not aware that “attacked” has been defined by case law. The fact that Zimmerman was following Martin, or initiated contact with Martin, doesn’t seem to enter into it. Here’s the relevant part of the statute:

      A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.

      • Hugh_G

        You,re correct that the statute says that. But the other sections of the statute gives the exception, I.e if Zimmerman is determined to be the original aggressor.

        I don,t know all the facts. I’m simply saying that’s the exception that the prosecutor could use if she believes the facts show a jury could believe he was the original aggressor.

    • 914

      “One piece of damning evidence, which if true, is that Zimmerman was told not to follow him. That and other evidence may lead to the prosecutor deciding to charge him”

      Yes, maybe she will charge George with stalking Trayvon..

    • EricSteel

      One piece of damning evidence, which if true, is that Zimmerman was told not to follow him. That and other evidence may lead to the prosecutor deciding to charge him.

      Here’s what I am confused about.  When told by the dispatcher not to follow, Zimmerman says “ok” and then goes on to make arrangements to meet the police at the mailboxes where his truck is located. If Zimmerman got out of his car to follow Trayvon, and then turns around to go back to his car then he is heading in the opposite direction as Trayvon.  How would they meet, unless Trayvon turned around too?  Notice that in the transcript that Zimmerman at one point says that Trayvon ran, and that Zimmerman doesn’t know where he is.  This indicates that he is no longer following Trayvon.  So, how would they meet up again unless Trayvon doubled back toward Zimmerman.

      Dispatcher: Are you following him? Zimmerman: Yeah Dispatcher: Ok, we don’t need you to do that. Zimmerman: Ok Dispatcher: Alright sir what is your name? Zimmerman: George…He ran. Dispatcher: Alright George what’s your last name? Zimmerman: Zimmerman Dispatcher: And George what’s the phone number you’re calling from?Zimmerman: [redacted] Dispatcher: Alright George we do have them on the way, do you want to meet with the officer when they get out there? Zimmerman: Alright Dispatcher: Where you going to meet with them at?Zimmerman: If they come in through the gate, tell them to go straight past the club house, and uh, straight past the club house and make a left, and then they go past the mailboxes, that’s my truck…[unintelligible] Dispatcher: What address are you parked in front of? Zimmerman: I don’t know, it’s a cut through so I don’t know the address. Dispatcher: Okay do you live in the area? Zimmerman: Yeah, I…[unintelligible] Dispatcher: What’s your apartment number? Zimmerman: It’s a home it’s 1950, oh crap I don’t want to give it all out, I don’t know where this kid is. Dispatcher: Okay do you want to just meet with them right near the mailboxes then? Zimmerman: Yeah that’s fine. Dispatcher: Alright George, I’ll let them know to meet you around there okay? Zimmerman: Actually could you have them call me and I’ll tell them where I’m at? Dispatcher: Okay, yeah that’s no problem. Zimmerman: Should I give you my number or you got it? Dispatcher: Yeah I got it [redacted] Zimmerman: Yeah you got it. Dispatcher: Okay no problem, I’ll let them know to call you when you’re in the area.

  • First according to dispatch recording Zimmerman was no longer following Martin after he was told not to. Second even if he did, it was still within his legal right to do so. Being followed by someone is not justification to attack them.

    Going to court is an expensive and tasking event. Taking someone to trial when there is not sufficient evidence to warrant a trail is called harassment. This B.S. of if you are innocent then you should have no problem going on trial is asinine. Only the naive wouldn’t mind going on trail for something they did that wasn’t against the law.

  • Meiji Man

    My gut is telling me the prosecution scared him into plea bargaining to a manslaughter charge. He was told not to talk to his lawyers which is why they lost contact with him, and had to announce they were no longer acting as his counsel. They threatened him with Murder 2 and with the feds coming down on the case to make sure Holder Justice was done for “his people” Zimmerman never had a chance. 

    Another Hispanic railroaded by a bigoted justice system. 

    • herddog505

      I fear that you are right.