Revisionism: Old Timer Phil Donahue Injects Racism Into 2002 Iraq War Vote

Old-timer Phil Donahue, about who rumor has it used to have some sort of TV show back in the previous century, has recently turned up on NPR for some unexplainable reason. And, like his long past career, he’s dwelling equally in the past with his new comments about the authorization of force against Iraq in 2002. But he’s adding a new spin to the now irrelevant discussion by adding to it all one of the left’s favorite tropes: racism.

You see, according to Donahue, racism sullied the decision to authorize George Bush to intervene in Iraq in 2002. How is that, you ask? Well, according to Donahue it’s because none of the blacks in Congress voted for the war.

What does that mean? To Donahue it means that these African American congressmen were better, smarter, and free of racism, I guess. Only whites wanted to kill innocent Iraqis, hence the racism.

On NPR’s Smiley & West show*, Donahue floated the idea that all the African Americans — in fact he said “every person of color” — voted against the war in Iraq. Apparently, Donahue thinks that this is because all “the white people in Congress” are racists.

After discussing his involvement in an anti-Iraq war movie back in 2008, this is how the long retired Donahue phrased the issue:

Here’s what I learned. I watched the debate on the Iraq war resolution where, you know, no body obeys the Constitution. Congress says “here, Mr. President, if you think you have to.” You know, and then if it doesn’t go that well it’s “well I did,” and “He said.” It’s a CYA. Cover your… backside. And uh, you know what, you know what, I’m gonna tell you something I bet you didn’t know. Every person of color in the House voted no. Except for Jefferson, Congressman Jefferson from Louisiana. He’s the guy with the money in his freezer, remember that?

Talk to me about that, I mean what did they know that George Bush didn’t know and all those white people in Congress didn’t know?

Now you’re gonna say, “They know their kids are the first ones that are going to go,” that’s certainly part of it but it has to be more to it than that.

So many lies in that bit of doggerel it’s had to know where to start, but right off the top let’s put to rest the lie that only blacks go to wars — or are even the first to go.

Since we went to an all volunteer military, the truth seems to be that middle class and upper middle class families supply more members to our armed forces than the lower classes. So neither “the poor,” as Tavis Smiley tried to say in the podcast, nor African Americans, as Donahue stated, are forced to bear the brunt of our wars. The oft repeated claim that the lower classes join the military because they have few other options is simply a myth.

As to the racial composition of our military, the most recent Heritage Foundation study shows that just over 65% of new recruits are whites whereas new recruits that are “Black or African American” measure in at less than 13%.

Then there is the claim Donahue made that no “people of color” in Congress voted for the Iraq invasion. This is also untrue. Not only did several Hispanic Congressmen vote for the resolution, so did several African American congressmen other than Rep. Jefferson.

Along with the aforementioned Jefferson, Harold Ford, Jr. (D-TN), Albert Wynn (D-MD), and Sanford Bishop (D-GA), also voted yes. So did the only black Republican Representative at the time, J.C. Watts of Oklahoma. As John Ruberry quips, “Hey Phil: not all GOPers are white.” (Roll call of vote)

It is rather shameful that the elderly Donahue thought that injecting racism into the long past Iraq resolution from 2002 was a good idea, isn’t it? But that is how these lefties are. They see racism in everything and will spare no historical event to retroactively make it all about race.

*(This discussion starts at about 20 minutes into the podcast. The podcast is titled Phil Donahue and was released 4/12/12)

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Posted by on April 20, 2012.
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  • jim_m

    Of course no “people of color” voted for the war.  You claim that hispanics voted for it, but they can be counted as white people when they don’t toe the leftist line.

    Remember also that to many on the left it is impossible for a black or other racial minority to be racist.  Only whites can be racist.   So it is easy for the entire CBC to vote against anything and those reasons are by necessity on the issue and never about race.  The left is too stupid to notice the inconsistency.

  • GarandFan

    He’s senile.  And FACTS don’t matter.

    • Brian_R_Allen

      ….  Donahue’s senile.  And FACTS don’t matter …. 

      Did you plagiarize that from a twenty-five-years-old review of his show? 

    • http://2012.ak4mc.us/ McGehee

      I thought he was dead. Must have got him mixed up with Dan Rather.

      Wait, what? Oh — it’s their careers that are dead.

      Works just as well either way.

  • Brucehenry

    What’s with all the snark about how old the guy is? 

    • GarandFan

       Senility comes with age (which might mitigate his idiocy).  OR the guy is just plain stupid.  Take your pick.

      I’m sure next week we’ll all be told that Phil has launched a new career as a “comedian”.  It was all a joke!

      • jim_m

         I don’t think age has anything to do with it.  Donohue has always been from the far, far, left fever swamps.  I’m sure he really does think that everything is founded in racism. The rest of the left seems to think that way.

        • Hugh_G

          Just because you’re paranoid Jim doesn’t mean we’re not coming to get you.

          • jim_m

             Rule #40: If it seems someone is out to get you, they are.
            http://ncis.wikia.com/wiki/Leroy_Jethro_Gibbs/Rules

          • Evil Otto

            The left has been using the “you’re racist” argument for decades as the standard accusation for virtually EVERYTHING, Hugh. Oppose their health care plans? You’re racist. Don’t want to vote for the present-voting, incompetent, socialist hack they run for president? You’re racist.Want to cut government spending? You’re racist. On and on and on.

            It’s a reflex with you idiots.

          • Hugh_G

            Thats utter nonsense and it’s pretty sad you believe it. But what’s even sadder is that people like you deny racism as a “reflex”. It’s sad and it’s pathetic and its a blight on America. Real racism has and still exists in this country but people like you don’t even want to look  at it or talk about it.

            Case in point about your “reflex” response to me was that my comment to Jim had absolutely nothing to do with racism. I was jabbing him because he and I have a history of doing that to one another.

            So fu** off and try looking at America without the blinders you apparently wear.

          • jim_m

             Talk about revisionism.

            Dems cast all opposition to obamacare as racist:  http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/08/12/opposition-to-obamahealth-care-reform-racist-proof/

            Calling out obama on his lies was racist:
            http://www.workers.org/2009/health_care_0924/
            Never mind that it turned out that obama was indeed lying.

            Dems called all opposition to obama in 2008 due to racism:  http://constitutionclub.org/2011/05/26/top-house-democrat-opposition-to-obama-is-racist/

            The fact is that the left sees everything in terms of race and racism.  The reason they do so is because the racism is inside themselves and they bring it with them.

          • Hugh_G

            Ok so we could play tit for tat and I could post examples of clearly racist signs about the President or racist bumper stickers.

            But the problem with that is you get sucked into your vortex of backing up your vast and sweeping generalizations with some links. Instead of all that shit why not try and have a serious discussion about racism in America and why it sell exists to the extent it does.

            Your little tidbit below is just silly and another of your swwwweeeeeeeppppppppping generalizations. 

          • Evil Otto

            Sorry, drone, it’s not playing “tit for tat.” It’s playing 250000 tits for every tat.

            Funny that you’re whining about us using “sweeping generalizations” when we’re pointing out the number one, favorite, most beloved “sweeping generalization” of the left, the standard go-to insult you lot use, the accusation that their opponent is a racist. 

          • Hugh_G

            Point out one place here where I have called anyone a racist.

            The problem with folks like you is that you’re unwilling to talk about the issue…what I read is incessant whining by some people that they are victims. Iy’s really pretty putrid.

          • jim_m

             The sweeping generalizations are that the left accuses everyone else of being some rabid racist all the time.  This blog is not unusual in the fact that the conservative commentators feel as though the left is constantly accusing them of being racist without cause.

            Look at the TEA Party.  There was no big racist thread in that movement and never has been.  It was a tactic of the left to smear the right as racist.

          • Hugh_G

            Oh really? Ever see any of the signs at some of their early rallies?

          • jim_m

            There were no racist signs, and I actually attended some of those rallies.

            In fact at the ones I went to there were more blacks than in obama’s campaign offices.

          • jim_m

             How easily you forget the JournoList:  http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2010/0720/JournoList-Is-call-them-racists-a-liberal-media-tactic/%28page%29/2

            No.  The left does not deliberately make unfounded charges of racism. 

            Liar.

          • jim_m

             Real racism does exist but it almost never exists where the left points to.  The right tries to look at people based on their abilities.  The left demands that we first look at race.  THAT is the essence of racism.

          • Evil Otto

            Thats utter nonsense and it’s pretty sad you believe it

            Deny it all you like. I’ve been arguing with you lefties for YEARS. I long ago lost track of the number of times I was accused of it, the number of times my fellow right-wingers were accused of it. The racism accusation is the first resort when the leftist is faced with opposition. It can be translated, loosely, as “shut up.”

            Real racism has and still exists in this country but people like you don’t even want to look  at it or talk about it.

            My pointing out that you leftists reflexively resort to the “racism” charge has nothing to do with whether real racism exists… which it clearly does. I am simply pointing out that you drones use it so casually, and every time you accuse someone of being a racist who isn’t you cheapen the word.

            So fu** off and try looking at America without the blinders you apparently wear.

            Getting pissy? Good.

          • Sheik Yerbouti

            Exactly, Otto.
            Accusations of racism are the only weapon they have left, and they have beaten its blade dull.
            I’m reminded of the Journolist emails (which, really,, is a much bigger story than we on the right have been able to make it). But specifically, what comes to mind is Spencer Ackerman’s suggestion to his fellow journos that in order to shut up conservative journos, “let’s call them racists”
            Not a single dissenting post from the hundreds of Journolisters.
            And that is all one needs to know about how seriously they take their own racism charges.

          • jim_m

            Yep, the left gets upset when you call them on their bullshit tactics of calling everyone esle a racist to distract from the fact that their own policies actually trap blacks in poverty and have actually caused black unemployment to be double that of whites. 

            But they will cut a school voucher program that benefits blacks exclusively and call us racists for supporting it.

            Yeah, they get pissy because they know they are exactly the racists that they try to call everyone else.

          • Brucehenry

            “…and every time you accuse someone of being a racist who isn’t you cheapen the word.”

            That’s true, but one must remember that not every denial of an accusation of racism is valid, either.

             In other words, just because someone SAYS, “Oh, come on, now, lighten up!” or “Gee, I didn’t mean it THAT way” or “You know Limbaugh (or insert any other wingnut gasbag here) didn’t mean that in a racist way!” doesn’t mean we SHOULD lighten up, or that you, or he, or she, DIDN’T “mean it that way.”

            It’s ludicrous and naive to pretend that some (many?) people are not emotionally predisposed to mistrust or dislike the President, for example, because of his race. One can disagree with his policies and STILL have that emotional predisposition whether one acknowledges it or not. It might not be helpful, or pleasant for conservatives, for liberals to be constantly pointing out this fact, but it IS a fact.

          • jim_m

             One can disagree with his policies and STILL have that emotional predisposition whether one acknowledges it or not.

            So you are claiming that if the person has a difference on the issue, AND may also harbor a small amount of racial animus that you can then totally ignore the issue part and jump all over them for the irrelevant (by your own admission) racism?

            I call bullshit.

          • Brucehenry

            Nope. 

            What I am saying is that threads like this one, in which some fuzzyheaded liberal like Donahue implies a racist motive to this or that conservative, are often turned into a “Poor poor us conservatives are always being called racists — without any grounds, mind you — by meanie hypocrite liberals!” victimhood whinefests.

            And I am saying that just because a person denies he’s a racist doesn’t mean he isn’t one. Hell, I’ve heard David Fucking Duke deny he’s a racist.

            And ya know, it’s hilarious how the same guys decrying how unfounded accusations of racism “cheapens the word” find every excuse they can to stretch the definition of racism to mean that if I suspect it, I must BE one.

            It’s also hilarious how word-cheapening doesn’t seem to apply to words like “socialist,” “fascist”, “anti-semitic”, “traitor”, or “America-hating.”

          • jim_m

             See below

          • Brucehenry

            Also, Jim, when Gingrich makes claims like Obama has an “anti-colonialist Kenyan worldview” the racism is barely, dare I say transparently, veiled. Ditto the “Paychecks, not foodstamps” nonsense of a few months back.

          • Hugh_G

            You can be so fu**ing stupid. Once again your reflex gag worked against you. That isn’t what he was saying at all.

            I’ve asked you this before. Why do you hate people who disagree with you so much?

          • jim_m

             Bruce does a better and more articulate job of defending himself.

          • jim_m

             It is also a fact that journalists have conspired to fabricate charges of racism against conservatives, but you don’t even bother to address that fact or acknowledge that our concerns have an actual basis in fact because of that.

          • Evil Otto

            Bruce, I don’t have the leftists’ Shadow-like ability to know what racism lurks in the hearts of men. All I can do is go by what someone says and their record of commentary.

            That’s not what you leftists do. You resort to the charge merely on the basis of a person’s political beliefs. You’re always on racism patrol, desperately seeking to find some proof of the racism you just know is lurking in our hearts. Do you know how many times I’ve heard leftists claim that the Tea Party is racist, or Republicans are racist, or opponents of Obama are racists, or opponents of Obamacare are racist? On and on, over and over. It’s reached a pitch only dogs can hear.

            Hell, you and I went at it a couple of years ago when you said that that someone claiming that the over-use of the racism accusation was “an excuse to let one’s racist hair down.” Which was exactly what I was saying.

            (more below)

          • Brucehenry

            IIRC, I think we were talking about “political correctness” in that thread. I find that many times, those who are boohooing about “political correctness” are looking for a pass to let their racist or misogynistic hair down. Your mileage may vary.

          • Evil Otto

             I went back and looked it up. We weren’t arguing about PC.

          • Brucehenry

            Fine. It was some timeago.

          • Evil Otto

             It’s ludicrous and naive to pretend that some (many?) people are not
            emotionally predisposed to mistrust or dislike the President, for
            example, because of his race.

            How many black people voted for Barack Obama because of his race? How many will vote for him again in 2012 because of his race? Are THEY racists as well? It might not be helpful, or pleasant for liberals, for conservatives to be constantly pointing out this fact, but it IS a fact.

          • Brucehenry

            Conceded. Happy now?

            Although, the black vote for Obama in ’08 was only incrementally higher than the black vote for Kerry, Gore, or Clinton.

          • jim_m

             I thought they voted for Clinton because he was the first black president?

          • Brucehenry

            And are you claiming that it is not true that some people, perhaps many, are emotionally predisposed to mistrust and dislike the president because he is black?

          • jim_m

             The point is that you are predisposed to assume that anyone objecting to obama’s policies falls into that category even when they present a substantive objection to policy.

            You don’t deny that I have noticed.

          • Evil Otto

            Did I claim that? Read my words again, Bruce. NO. I’m not claiming that, although I would like to know where your evidence of the “perhaps many” comes from. Wishful thinking?

          • Brucehenry

            Getting pissy? Good. ;)

          • Evil Otto

            Nope.

          • Hugh_G

            Show me once where where this “leftist” has called anyone here a racist.

            By your ridiculous logic I can show you photos and bumper stickers and then ask: why are you right-wingers so racist?  That would be the dumbs generalization that gets made by some of you.

          • Evil Otto

            Heh, Hugh doesn’t like generalizations… when they’re used against the left.

            I’m going to repeat what Ijust wrote: “ I long ago lost track of the number of times I was accused of it, the
            number of times my fellow right-wingers were accused of it

            I’m not speaking of you specifically. I’m speaking from personal experience, both my own and that of countless conservatives. Ask any conservative here, Hugh, if they’ve experienced the same thing.

            Oh, and take the word “leftist” out of quotes, Hugh. Be proud of what you are.

          • Guest

            Racism is real, racism exists and the more the right denies it exists in the GOP the more obvious their racism becomes.

            But you only need to look at the way GOP candidates pander tor right wing racists for votes to see the reality or republican racism.

            Of course, Republicans assailing poor minorities is nothing new, but
            statements from Gingrich and Santorum reveal many Americans’ beliefs
            that African Americans are lazy and prefer government handouts to good,
            living-wage jobs.

            Gingrich implied that African Americans would rather have food stamps than a paycheck and offered to tell Black Americans “why the African-American community should demand paychecks and not be satisfied with food stamps.”
            Santorum made a similar prejudicial comment, only his bigotry was more
            direct and inflammatory against African Americans, and especially
            President Obama. He said, “I don’t want to make black people’s lives better by giving them other people’s money.”
            The code Santorum used was not wasted on racists and white supremacists
            because there is already a bigoted notion that the President was taking
            white American’s money and handing it over to his supporters in the
            Black community. Willard Mitt Romney’s religion taught that the “Black race” was cursed by god as a punishment until it was socially unacceptable.

            There are few candidates’ comments that are not measured for efficacy
            prior to making a speech. Gingrich and Santorum know millions of white
            Americans harbor such hatred for President Obama and African Americans
            that it was worth all the bad publicity and criticism from the NAACP to
            make prejudicial comments slandering African Americans. The truth is
            that a majority of Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP)
            participants are white, and most are children
            and seniors. More SNAP recipients already have jobs that provide their
            primary source of income, but only 15% have incomes over the federal
            poverty level. Gingrich in particular has portrayed poor Americans as
            lazy, drug abusers who use welfare to take trips to Hawaii
            and although it is an unfair characterization and an outright lie,
            there are racists who believe it as if it was uttered from the mouth of
            god.

          • jim_m

             Care to provide a source for your partisan rant?  Or do you want to keep it anonymous since it relies on what Gingrich “Implied” and the “Code that Santorum used.”

            These are both devices to not actually look at the meaning of people’s words but to impute racism on them without any evidence of racism.

            Thanks for a sterling example of accusing people of racism where their is no evidence of the same.

          • jim_m

             Hey or maybe you could post the same link twice claiming that it is two different links backing you up?  Yeah, that didn’t work the last time you tried it, but then neither has this BS argument.

          • EricSteel

            I’ve been visiting this blog for several years now, and the vast majority of the racists I’ve seen here were on the left side of the aisle.  Guys like Lee Ward, Stephen, Bob Armstrong, Steve Green, a whole host of them all were closet racists.  Back when Obama and Hillary were running, the racism from the Hillary supporters was blatant.

          • Brucehenry

            Of course, while none of those guys are around to defend themselves or refute your allegations, it’s still very brave of you to make them.

          • jim_m

             Others were around to witness.  Eric is correct in his recollection of how many on the left have very selective memory about the 2008 primaries.  obama received a lot of criticism from the left that once Hilary was out of the  running, they swiftly turned around and claimed that the same criticism of obama was motivated by racism.

            In fact I recall that specific point being made to some of them (or was it all the same person?  There is some dispute).

          • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

            Our leftards remain wet to the knees while gazing at the Pyramids…

          • EricSteel

            Bruce, all of the people I mentioned were commenters on this blog.  Their comments are on the record and speak for themselves. 

            You criticize me for  my comment pointing out specific commenters as being racist, yet I notice that you have nothing to say about Grumpy_old_man_72 for painting all Republicans as racist.

    • Jwb10001

      Trying to cut the idiot some slack. But you’re probably right, he’s just a f’ing dumb ass.

  • Commander_Chico

    Well, whoever voted against that war, black or white was a hell of a lot smarter and braver than those who bought the BS and followed the crowd.

    • jim_m

       Yeah. No one should have believed any of that intel from the Clinton Admin.

    • iwogisdead

      So, McKinney, Jackson-Lee, Corzine, and Waters are smarter than Hillary Clinton, John Kerry, John Edwards, Joe Biden, Daschle, Dodd, Feinstein, and Reid? Interesting.

      • Commander_Chico

        Yes, the latter are all saps, stooges and tools of the oligarchy.

        You can count Ron Paul and Russ Feingold among the smarter people, along with Lincoln Chaffee and Dan Inouye.

        • jim_m

           You mean the same Russ Fiengold that declared his enmity against democracy by saying that “Nothing is over until we win”?  Yeah, listing leftists and cranks makes a great argument for how mainstream your views are.

          • Commander_Chico

            I don’t know what Feingold was referring to, but nothing ever is over in a democracy, there are always the next elections, right?

            Aside from the calumny of listing MOH winner Dan Inouye as a “crank,” I object to your anti-semitic attack on Feingold.

  • iwogisdead

    Stop the presses!!!!  Donahue is a complete idiot who has his limited head up his huge ass!!! Stop the presses!!!! Donahue is dumb!!!!

    • jim_m

       In other news dog bites man.

      Actually, that might be news these days since the big headlines have been about man biting dog lately.

  • Jwb10001

    I’m betting this is going to cost Bush the election this year… oh wait….

  • jim_m

    Bruce,

    If you are incapable of recognizing how often the left brings forward bogus charges of racism, or even acknowledging the fact that journalists conspired to use fabricated charges of racism against conservatives then there is nothing to discuss.

    As for calling obama and the left socialists, what about the truth do you dispute?  Seeing as obama has recently declared that capitalism does not work and that it has failed, Are you now claiming that he is proposing something other than socialism?  http://nation.foxnews.com/president-obama/2012/04/02/did-obama-say-capitalism-doesn-t-work

    So obama by his own admission is a socialist.  He has declared it publicly and declared that we must abandon the capitalist model that we have used for over 200 years because it “never worked”.  Apart form the historical illiteracy involved in that position, what about it refutes the claim that obama is a socialist?

    And if you don’t like words like fascist etc then watch this and tell me honestly that obama’s ideology does not end in a totalitarianism.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nt58gg1DQGk

    And yes, obama does have a view of the US that is alien and founded in his upbringing outside the US and definitely outside anything similar to the mainstream of the west.  That does not make admitting that fact racist or anything like code words for racism.  As I repeatedly say:  You bring racism to the discussion yourself. 

    BTW, you still have not answered whether or not your position really is that if a person makes a valid point on the issue, that if there is any coincidental racial bias that you are justified in ascribing all objection to the racism.  That’s bullshit and it doesn’t surprise me that you are unwilling to defend it.

    • Brucehenry

      Not to get too personal, Jim, but if you think your link to FOX above shows Obama declaring that “capitalism does not work” you either can’t hear, can’t think, English is your second language, or you are being deliberately disingenuous. Obama never utters the WORD “capitalism.” He’s talking about what he is characterizing as the GOP’s grotesque Darwinian version of economics and the budget.

      You know this. Why would you deliberately point to this as proof that Obama hates America, or whatever you’re saying. I feel disrespected, Jim. I’m not nearly as stupid or gullible as you seem to think I am.

      I’m not watching a 51-minute video today, Jimbob. Life’s way too short for that.

      And no, that is not my position. I wish you would stop attempting to reframe others’ arguments so that you may more easily refute them. What I was attempting, apparently not very well, to say, is that OF COURSE if a liberal can detect a hint of racism in a conservative’s position, it will be pointed out. Just as, if ANY similarity, no matter how remote, can be found between a liberal’s position and a communist’s, THAT will be pointed out by conservatives.

      Politics ain’t beanbag. Kwitcherbelliakin.

      • jim_m

         First:  The conservative platform is nothing like Social Darwinism.  Such a position was backed more by the progressive left than any other group as such it is a gross misstatement to refer to capitalism in that manner.

        Second:  He sets up the position that the failure in question is the idea that market capitalism is what has lead to the economic crisis; a position that is demonstrably false as the main problem has been government intervention in those markets that has lead to the failure.

        Third:  Regardless of whether or not you agree that he has said hat capitalism has failed (which most people have taken his remarks to mean) you are still left with the remedy being socialism.  I’ll spare you 51 minutes and summarize the video, which states that the ideology of the academic left (which is where obama gets his ideology) is Marxism.  Marxism starts with socialism and ends in genocidal totalitarianism.   This is not accidental but is the direct and purposeful conclusion of Marx’s philosophy.

        If you doubt that obama believes these views address his upbringing by Frank Marshall Davis, His long time association with avowed communists like Bill Ayers and Mike Klonsky.  His employment of communist agitator Van Jones.  HIs appointment of Malthusian dystopian John Holdren.  He acknowledges that he sought out Marxist professors in school deliberately because he wanted to associate with “the right people”.

        These are obama’s views.  It isn’t hysteria or paranoia.  It just happens to be fact and it aligns with his policies and with the statements he makes.

        • Brucehenry

          You’ve been READING again, Jim. You’ve mixed up your usual yadayada about Ayers and Frank Marshall Davis with a couple of names I hadn’t noticed you dropping before — some guy named Klonsky and a “Malthusian dystopian”, whatever that is, named Holdren.

          Ever see those movies about someone in an insane asylum who keeps insisting he’s “NOT crazy!!!”? Lots of times, turns out he IS, Jim.

          When the election happens and Obama is reelected, you’ll wonder why no one BELIEVED you when you kept screeching this middle-of-the-road incrementalist nebbish was a socialist mastermind.

          • jim_m

             I have mentioned all those names before.  Klonsky is a maoist that obama shared an office with in Chicago.  Klonsky is a friend of Ayers too.

            Holdren is obama’s science czar.  He is a believer in eugenics.  His mentor believed that by the year 2000 there would be mass starvation, etc. Both Holdren and his mentor prescribe totalitarian controls over society to prevent their predicted apocalypse.  Of course, the apocalypse never came, but that doesn’t stop Holdren from pushing his totalitarian vision, one that obviously obama supports since he hired him as an adviser.

            Go reread your copy of Marx’s Das Kapital.  He theorizes that you cannot make a country communist all at once that it needs to evolve.  The first step is to make it a socialist state.  Incrementalism is the essence of Marxist revolution.

          • Brucehenry

            I’m afraid I’ve only read summaries and Cliff’s Notes. You of course read it in the original Klingon, I assume.

          • Brucehenry

            I’m afraid I’ve only read summaries and Cliff’s Notes. You of course read it in the original Klingon, I assume.

        • Brucehenry

          He didn’t refer to it in that manner. I did. He called it “you’re-on-your-own economics.” I used the term “Darwinian.”

          I watched the video. His set-up of the position you characterize is entirely in your somewhat fevered imagination. He actually said No Such Thing.

          Again, he said No Such Thing, and I disagree that “most people” believe he has. I’m pretty sure it would be pretty big news if Obama actually said “Capitalism has failed.” Even the ever-complicit Lamestream Media would be forced to report it. But he didn’t, so they’re off the hook.

  • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

    Quoth a leftard:

    I’m afraid I’ve only read summaries and Cliff’s Notes. You of course read it in the original Klingon, I assume.

    This from someone who has strong opinions on Goldberg’s Liberal Fascism yet who can’t be bothered to read it…

  • Brucehenry

    Does anyone here think it is fair for a blog author/editor to criticize a commenter, then delete that commenter’s response?

    Does anyone here think it is fair for a blog author/editor to delete comments that simply piss him off?

    Let’s see if this stays up more than five minutes. It’s 7:48 pm now.

    • jim_m

       That was a month ago and I am not aware that it has happened since

      • Brucehenry

        Oh, it’s happened all right. But whatever.

        My opinions on Goldberg are based on lengthy excerpts, critical reviews, and actual interviews I’ve watched where Goldberg defends/promotes the book. Plus stuff he’s written on NRO. He’s a hack and a kook and his book is hackery and kookery that I don’t feel the need to endure.

        His logic, like that of Ben Stein’s “Expelled” movie, is Goldbergian — RUBE Goldbergian.

        Similarly, I’m sure many here think, say for instance, Howard Zinn or Ta-Nehisi Coates are idiots because they’ve read excerpts and reviews that persuaded them so.  I doubt Rodney has read Das Kapital in more than Cliff’s Notes form, but I’m sure he’ll claim he has.

        • jim_m

           I’ve listened to Ta-Nehisi Coates speak and I can confirm that he is an idiot,  Zinn doesn’t do much speaking anymore.

          • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

            And he still hasn’t actually read the book…

          • Brucehenry

            I stand by my explanation of my opinion of Goldberg above. I really don’t care if you think it uninformed.

            BTW, anything you want to say re: deleting/ editing comments that piss you off?

          • Brucehenry

            Right. Since you’ve heard him speak and decided his views are idiotic, do you feel a need to read his book before assuming it’s stupid?

          • jim_m

            His book has never come up before so why would I ever consider it relevant?  If it is anything like what he says on TV it is filled with the ravings of a black activist that sees racism in every non black he sees.  His rhetoric is poisonous rather than just stupid and ill informed.

            But given that he sees racism in everyone but himself he would be a perfect exemplar for you.

          • Brucehenry

            I think you see my point, though, Jim.

            BTW, Jim, it just happened again. Just now.

          • jim_m

             No I don’t.  You claim that I would have the opinion I do of Coates from reading third party reviews, but in fact I have heard him speak on TV. 

            You disagree with Goldberg’s thesis and that is fine.  Others have arrived at  the same conclusion that he has independently. 

          • Brucehenry

            Right, and I have, as I said, heard Goldberg speak on TV. Jon Stewart tore him a new one, and I’ve seen other, less contentious interviews as well.

             His theory is based on tangential nonsense and twisted semantics. He has to go around his elbow to reach his ass, as we say down South. It’s like a Rube Goldberg model in a book posing as political commentary. 

            But Rodney implies that I must subject myself to the torture of reading it cover-to-cover to have an opinion. I disagree. 

            BTW, would YOU like to ask him about the comment stuff? When I do, he deletes it.

          • jim_m

            I have offline.  I’m not a moderator or an author so I have no power here.

            I agree that you do not need to read the entire book to have an opinion.

          • Brucehenry

            You’re a stand-up guy, Jim.

          • jim_m

             Yeah, just keep spreading those lies.

          • Hugh_G

            This is the same juvenile author/commentator,censor who felt it necessary to refer to me by my e-mail address. So what do you expect? He doesn’t want anyone else to play in  his sandbox or with his bucket and shovel.

    • http://wizbangblog.com/ Shawn

      Why would anyone other then Kevin or the actual author of THIS piece think he/she has the right to delete comments from a fellow author’s comment section?

      Unfortunately, I didn’t read Bruce’s post, but, unless it was some disgusting, vulgar, profanity-laced rant, it shouldn’t happen.

      That’s just wrong.

      Ridiculous.