WaPo “bully” hit piece on Mitt Romney unravels

Yesterday, the Washington Post published a rather unflattering story about Mitt Romney’s prep school days:

John Lauber, a soft-spoken new student one year behind Romney, was perpetually teased for his nonconformity and presumed homosexuality. Now he was walking around the all-boys school with bleached-blond hair that draped over one eye, and Romney wasn’t having it.

“He can’t look like that. That’s wrong. Just look at him!” an incensed Romney told Matthew Friedemann, his close friend in the Stevens Hall dorm, according to Friedemann’s recollection.

… A few days later, Friedemann entered Stevens Hall off the school’s collegiate quad to find Romney marching out of his own room ahead of a prep school posse shouting about their plan to cut Lauber’s hair. Friedemann followed them to a nearby room where they came upon Lauber, tackled him and pinned him to the ground. As Lauber, his eyes filling with tears, screamed for help, Romney repeatedly clipped his hair with a pair of scissors.

Left-wing blogs immediately picked up the story.  After all, anecdotal evidence that portrays any Republican as a bigoted, homophobic bully is simply too good to pass up.

Unfortunately, it seems the Washington Post needs better fact checkers:

The older sister of Mitt Romney’s former high school classmate said she has no knowledge of any bullying incident involving her brother and the GOP presidential candidate.

… When ABC News showed her the story, Christine Lauber’s eyes welled up with tears and she became agitated.

She also corrected the story, saying her brother was a boarder, not a day student.

She described her brother as a “very unusual person.”

“He didn’t care about running with the peer group,” Christine Lauber said. “What’s wrong with that?”

Betsy Lauber, one of John Lauber’s three sisters, spoke with ABC News Tuesday night regarding the accuracy of the story.

“The family of John Lauber is releasing a statement saying the portrayal of John is factually incorrect and we are aggrieved that he would be used to further a political agenda. There will be no more comments from the family,” she said.

And there appears to be more about the story that isn’t adding up – so much that Brietbart.com caught the Washington Post quietly airbrushing its own story:

The original Washington Post piece stated the following:

“’I always enjoyed his pranks,’ said Stu White, a popular friend of Romney’s who went on to a career as a public school teacher and has long been bothered by the Lauber incident.” [emphasis added]

Yet in an interview with ABC News today, White disowned that characterization:

While the Post reports White as having “long been bothered” by the haircutting incident, he told ABC News he was not present for the prank, in which Romney is said to have forcefully cut a student’s long hair and was not aware of it until this year when he was contacted by the Washington Post.

White didn’t know about the incident until this year, but the Post reported that he had “long been bothered” by it. We demanded a correction.

So the Washington Post did what no reputable newspaper should ever do when caught falsifying testimony: it made a stealth correction to its own article. The article now reads:

“I always enjoyed his pranks,” said Stu White, a popular friend of Romney’s who went on to a career as a public school teacher and said he has been “disturbed” by the Lauber incident since hearing about it several weeks ago, before being contacted by The Washington Post. “But I was not the brunt of any of his pranks.” [emphasis added]

The Post did not note that it had made any correction to the article.

In February 2008, the New York Times published an incendiary article on Republican front-runner John McCain, accusing McCain of numerous potential lobbying conflicts of interest and insinuating that McCain might have had a relationship with a female lobbyist that was – wink, wink – a little more than professional.   At that time, the National Inquirer had already published numerous articles about the adulterous affair between John Edwards and Rielle Hunter.  Yet the Times chose to go with a McCain hit piece, even though much of the sourcing for their McCain expose was based on hearsay and speculation.

Likewise, neither the Post, the Times, or any other major newsprint or broadcast media outlet has bothered to publish an in-depth, 5000 word expose on the high school and college years of Barack Obama, even though Obama himself (or his spokespeople) confessed to drug use, loathing other students, both black and white, due to feelings of cultural misplacement and inadequacy, an obsession with Marxist professors and students, and fictionalizing characters and events in his own autobiography.  We only learned of Obama’s impoverished half-brother, his aunt and uncle both residing illegally in the United States, and his failed community organizing efforts at Chicago’s Lincoln Gardens through the diligent work of the Boston Globe and the British press.  And no one has made a serious effort to obtain his high school, undergraduate, or graduate admissions records or transcripts.

But it is already clear that there will be no end to the trivial matters that the press will be digging up about Mitt Romney, or attempts to distract and polarize the electorate over social issues.  I agree completely with Mike McNally – any time the Democrats attempt to capitalize on a new social “war” or trivia from Romney’s past, the Romney campaign should respond by simply acknowledging that their candidate isn’t perfect and that there are a lot of issues that the American people disagree on, but the focus of this election should be on jobs and the economy, and that President Obama has failed miserably in both of those areas.

And if you still believe in the objectivity of the mainstream press, it’s time to wake up and acknowledge reality.

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  • Stan Brewer

    Seems to me that the state controlled media is looking for anything to stick concerning Mitt Romney; while the real criminals walk the halls of the White House and nothing is ever printed or broadcast about them. Take comfort folks, every time the state controlled media writes or broadcasts a hit piece, that is another nail in their coffins.

    • herddog505

      MiniTru is running true-to-form: they tore down all of Romney’s opponents during the primaries with similar manufactured hitpieces (Cain’s women, anyone?), and now it’s his turn.  They did the same with Yosemite Sam last time.

  • Joe_Miller

    Seems to me that the new Avengers movie requires less suspension of disbelief than anything in the Washington Post these days.

    • Anything inside the Beltway, you could add…

  • GarandFan

    We’re supposed to be “outraged” by something that occurred over 40 years ago?  Where’s the “outrage” over Joey Biden’s rather racist comments of no more that THREE years ago?

    Where’s the “outrage” over Obama campaign contributors getting their money back before taxpayers in ill-advised loans for green energy?  Where is the “outrage” over the stonewalling on Fast and Furious?

    Bullying?  Where’s the “outrage” when the DNC sends people out to dig up dirt on those who’ve contributed to conservative campaigns?  Don’t attack the person pursuing public office, attack those who contribute to their campaign.

    The MSM has long since lost any credibility with the general public.  It’s seen in their falling readership/viewership.  And yet these “elite intelligentsia” can’t seem to comprehend why most folks don’t buy their trash any longer.

    • Well, they’re telling the truth as they see it – the trouble is, they’re not bothering to make sure that the ‘truth’ that they see is real, or if it’s a product of their  intellectual consensus. 

      (You know, the old ‘Let’s make Pi=3, or 3.2, or 4, it’s shorter and simpler to remember’ attempt the Indiana legislature tried back in 1897…)


      Add in their perceived function as ‘gatekeepers’, and it’s not surprising they’re peeved any more when nobody’s bothering to listen to them.

      It’s also a function of leftist thinking. I don’t know why, but it seems like every offense ever done by any group or individual they don’t like is trotted out as if it’s just as fresh as if it occurred two minutes ago – even if it was a hundred years or more past. In this case – it occurred 40+ years ago, if it happened at all, in high school.

      Well, that’s a friggin’ insane little microcosm of society in the first place, but like Vegas – what happens there, stays there. After 10 years, the Statute of Outrage expires for the stupid stuff you do then…

      (Shrug.) After a while, you get to the point where you go ‘Oh. When? Ah. Right… I see… lemme get back to you on that when it becomes relevant, ‘k?’

  • 914

    The way the shamestream hack leftist media is heading, I’m sure  we will soon learn Romney was behind the Trayvon Martin ordeal..

    They have their heads buried in Barry’s black hole of socialism..

  • Stan Brewer

    They are all wanting to follow in the dubious shoes of Dan Rathernot — who is the epitome of what the state controlled media has become.

  • Guest

    Mitt doesn’t deny it happened or dispute the claims.

    Of course that was yesterday. Who knows what Captain Etch-A-Sketch will say today- he’s such a lying piece of crap.

    Meanwhile there are 4 or 5 witness who do remember it.

    Still waiting for the Wizbats to write something – anything – that suggests they think Mitt is qualified for the POTUS.Seems like every article dealing with the election is just more Obama-Hate.

    • jim_m

       Barry was snorting cocaine more recently than Mitt was supposedly being a bully.  Barry was older and supposedly more capable of distinguishing right and wrong when he was getting high. 

      Care to explain why this is not an issue?  Care to explain why Barry funding he drug cartels and their violence is simply not important?  Now he is giving them guns via the ATF.  How much does Barry’s history of drug abuse affect his willingness to turn the other way when providing illegal guns to murderers?

      We wait for your dismissal of this issue.

      • Jay

        Care to explain why this is not an issue?

        Because this says one of two things about Romney… He’s so callous that he can’t remember an event that affected others in a negative way or that he’s done it so much as to be a sociopath.

        Either way, if 5 people can remember this event with varying levels of clarity and make this story plausible, why is Romney the only one that can’t?

        Further, at the very least, Obama is being honest that he made some bad mistakes.  Where’s Romney in saying at the very least he screwed up?

        • jim_m

           Well the person interviewed for the story wasn’t even aware of it until this last year and the victim of the prank is deceased and could not be reached for comment.  So your claim that this was so earth-shatteringly negative for someone is based on what?  Wishful thinking?

          • Jay

            So your claim that this was so earth-shatteringly negative for someone is based on what?

            When I say negative I mean he’s cutting someone’s hair.  Romney says he doesn’t remember and I doubt that does not make him look good at all.

            Any way you look at it, bullying is not going to look good and for Romney not to address this and at the very least say “I screwed up” makes others look at him even less than favorably.  I swear, with this story plus the dog story, it’s rather hard to believe he is someone that most people can relate to if he were president.

          • jim_m

             Not ever having used cocaine or sat in a church for 20 years listening with agreement to the ravings of a hate filled racist I can’t really relate to obama.


            I don’t need someone I can relate to as President.  I need someone who knows how to lead and who believes in the power of American people and in the principles that America was founded upon.  obama does not and has declared that these principles which have made the US the greatest economic power in the world up until now, have never worked. 

            I want a President that believes in America and I know that obama is not it.

          • Jay

            I want a President that believes in America and I know that obama is not it.

            But you’re putting all of your chips on Romney?  Why?  Please, I have no faith in the ABO argument.  Why is Romney your supposed savior when his policies will outright destroy our nation?

            Romney won’t save anything.  We’ve had corporate profits grow largely under Obama. What will Romney’s presidency look like when he can’t even show that he can’t get the country back on its feet?

            There’s nothing in his background that truly looks as if he’s better than Obama on any issue.

          • jim_m

             We can save America ourselves.  obama will do everything in his power to prevent anything from being saved.  His express desire is to remake America into some Eastern European socialist dystopia.

          • Jay

            As opposed to Romney’s desire to give us more debt than Greece, Spain, and the UK combined.  Yeah, that’s going to work.

          • Nobody looks good in high school.  That’s the nature of the beast.

            The question is – are you the same person you were there?  Same attitudes?  Same likes, dislikes?  Same (shudder) taste in clothes?  Hair styles? 

            And what does it say about Romney when they’ve got to go back THAT FAR to find something personally negative?

            High school days – no matter how stupid you were, I’d look at the record past that.  People change, learn, grow.  If Obama can ‘evolve’ – then Romney can change also.

            (And I gotta admit, I ain’t too sure about that ‘evolving’ thing.  I think he’s just spouting what sounds good, myself.  Your mileage may vary, and I’ll agree to disagree if you will.)

          • Jay

            And what does it say about Romney when they’ve got to go back THAT FAR to find something personally negative?

            If you’ve noticed, he doesn’t talk about his own time in Massachusetts.  The man is out of touch with the entire populace.

             If Obama can ‘evolve’ – then Romney can change also.

            I’d love to see evidence of that but Romney hasn’t shown any adaptation in being an aristocrat with a silver spoon in his mouth.  

          • jim_m

            And what if someone tried to make a point in Romney’s favor on MSNBC?

            Why they would cut his mic because you can’t allow the right to actually defend themselves. http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/142891/

            I see this as an admission from the left that they really have nothing to stand on with this issue and they know it.

          • Brucehenry

            Not allowing a comment to be made because of disagreement with the politics of the commenter? SHAME on MSNBC!!!

            Wizbang would never stoop so low!

          • herddog505

            A very fair point.

          • Jay

            And what if someone tried to make a point in Romney’s favor on MSNBC? 

            What actual good points can you come up with now?

            I mean if MSNBC actually allowed Romney on to discuss his views, don’t you think the American people would be served to vet him? Same with Obama where they would grill him on his signing of the NDAA.  That would be journalism.  Sure, you may not agree.  But sitting down and saying that Romney’s flipflopping, aristocratic pandering is going to sit well with others while his record for job creation in Massachusetts was incredibly abysmal doesn’t sit well with me at all.

            It’s why I continue to support Gary Johnson so much more than Romney.  Romney just does not get it.

          • Guest

            There were several witnesses and they are were interviewed for the WaPo article Quit lying.

            Or maybe you haven’t even read the article — and yet you are claiming to know what it says.

            Which is it? Are you lying or just uninformed as usual?

        • jim_m

          Why should Mitt apologize for something when the alleged victim’s family is saying this:

          “The family of John Lauber is releasing a statement saying the portrayal of John is factually incorrect and we are aggrieved that he would be used to further a political agenda. There will be no more comments from the family,”

          “If he were still alive today, he would be furious [about the story],” she said with tears in her eyes.

          The sister claims that she never heard anything of this incident until now and that her brother would not have liked being used as a tool by obama.

          So once again we see the left dealing in half truths and deceptions and using people against their own wishes to defend something they want no part of.

          • Jay

            Interesting.  I’m hearing the mother say this:

            “While this may seem like an innocent prank to some, it was an act of torment against a child for being different,” Shepard said. Her son Matthew was kidnapped and brutally murdered in 1998. “We expect the people we elect to be leaders in the charge against bullying so that all students are afforded the right to learn and grow in an environment free of fear. This incident calls into question whether Mitt Romney can be an advocate for the nation’s most vulnerable children.”

          • jim_m

            I was unaware that Mitt Romney was guilty of the Matthew Shepherd murder. Please inform us of how he is guilty of this crime or are you just being a gutless lefty asshole and accusing him of something he had no relationship to?


            And you want an advocate for the nation’s most vulnerable children!!!!!

            Obama voted to support infanticide you dumbass!

            Boy, I thought that grumpy was setting a new standard for bullshit but you just surpassed that one.  You might want to make a note that Miott Romney did not murder anyone because you sure as hell imply it.

          • Jay

            Oh lordie.  I do so love how you focus on one thing and make it the issue instead of what we’re talking about.

          • jim_m

             Dude, you dragged in the whole Matthew Shepherd thing and prefaced it with the words: “I’m hearing the mother say this:” Of course you are not hearing Lauber’s mother say anything, you are hearing someone else’s mother say something about something totally unrelated, yet you bring it out as though it were Lauber’s mother in either a deliberately deceptive way, or you are so ignorant as to be incapable of seeing that you are deceptive.

            Take your pick.

          • Jay

            I misread the article when I speed read it.  Mea culpa.

          • jim_m

             Yikes!  The part about the murder should have been a tip off.  But thanks for the honesty.

          • herddog505

            Gotta agree: WTF has Matthew Shepard to do with this case?

          • LiberalNightmare

            More proof that liberal’s in general and Jay in particular are willing to lie rather than deal with facts.

          • herddog505

            It’s not a lie so much as just plain goofy. 

          • Jay

            Damn, misread the article and it was misquoted to Lauper’s mother.  My mistake.

          • herddog505

            Oh, OK.

          • Oysteria

            Judy Shepard was not only Matthew Shepard’s mother but also John  Lauber’s mother?  Wow!  You’re stretchin it there, pal.

            And quit reading DU.  It rots the mind.

          • Brucehenry

            She also says, IN THE SAME PIECE, “Even if it did happen, John probably wouldn’t have said anything.”

          • jim_m

             Yes, but she says that the family doesn’t want this being used like this and that her brother would have objected.

            Bottom line is that it happened 47 years ago.. Hell Tedd Kennedy hadn’t murdered Mary Jo Kopekne yet.  To try to say that someone is disqualified from being President over something they did as an adolescent is silly.

            More concerning would be if someone had not matured since that age.  obama certainly maintains a view of foreign relations that seems to have arrested at the high school model UN stage and that is very troubling.

          • Brucehenry

            I missed the part where anyone here claimed that this incident, on it’s own, disqualifies Romney from the Presidency.

            But it certainly reveals something about his character, if true. Most of us were assholes as teenagers. I myself was an insufferable know-it-all smartass whose mouth often wrote checks my ass couldn’t cash. (Hard to believe, I know.)

             But I never led a gang of bullies to hold another student down and cut his hair against his will. And a guy who would do that at 17 is probably still an asshole at 63.

          • jim_m

             I think that it is obvious that the reason it is brought up t all is because the left feels that this is a disqualifier.    I don’t give any credence to this being news since the MSM is totally in the tank for the dems. 

            With the history of the MSM covering up dem  scandals the only reason they report on anything of this nature is not for the news value but for he partisan advantage they feel it will produce.

          • herddog505

            Wouldn’t SOMEBODY have noticed even he never said a word?

            “Jeez, John, where the hell did you get your hair cut???”

    • Sky__Captain

       Dear Offensive Little Troll,

      Pleas address the actual subject of the thread – namely the Washington Post published an inaccurate hit-piece and tried to airbrush it away.

      No more “Squirrel!” posts.

      And since your post seems to be Wizbang-Hate, why don’t you just go away.

      • 914


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  • herddog505

    Uh-oh… Mitt Romney’s getting the George Zimmerman treatment: he’s guilty because we say so.

    • Guest

      He’s presumed guilty because he (a) said he didn’t deny it, (b) apologized, and (c) has a record of lying that’s a mile long.


      • Sky__Captain

         You’re talking about 0bama in his “autobiography”, correct?

      • herddog505

        No, he said he doesn’t remember it and issued a blanket apology for any pranks that might have gone too far.

        “I’ll tell you,” Romney said, chuckling, “the thought that that fellow was homosexual was the furthest thing from our minds back in the 1960s, so that was not the case. But as to pranks that were played back then, I don’t remember them all, but again, high school days, I did stupid things. … And if anyone was hurt by that or offended, obviously I apologize for that.”


        Now, I realize that lefties have jumped all over this “apology” to make it sound as if Romney has admitted guilt for the specific act that he’s been accused (decades later) of having committed.  Their dishonesty is transparent.

        As for Romney’s general veracity, I don’t defend it.  He’s a politician who, in just about any other state in the Union other than Taxachusetts, would be a democrat.

        Or should I simply say that he’s “evolved” on various positions?

        • Guest

           He apologized

          Romney Apologizes After Reports of Bullying Emerge

          Asked about the episodes during a radio interview on Thursday morning, Mr. Romney apologized.

          in high school, I did some dumb things and if anybody was hurt by that
          or offended, obviously I apologize for that,” Mr. Romney told Brian
          Kilmeade, a radio host. Mr. Romney added, “I participated in a lot of
          high jinks and pranks during high school and some might have gone too
          far and for that, I apologize.”

          • jim_m

             I fail to see how that in any way invalidates what herddog said.  In fact it corroborates it very well.

  • Brucehenry

    Also, the family’s statement that “the portrayal of John is factually incorrect” could be addressing the question of his sexual orientation and not the alleged bullying incident. If the guy was in the closet he would not want the story bandied about, and if his family was ashamed they wouldn’t either.

    If my conjecture is correct, that’s very sad, isn’t it?

    • herddog505

      Hmmm… Then what does it say about the libs (WaPo) that they are dredging up this story to smear Mitt Romney?  The family definitely seem chuffed that their dead loved one is being used as a campaign prop against their wishes and (apparently) without their prior knowledge.

      Anyway, let’s take a lesson from the healing words of a great, courageous, unprecedented, historic, blah-blah-f*cking-blah American, Barrack Hussein Obama:

      I do think that the average American believes that what somebody does when they were a teenager 30 years ago is probably not relevant to how they are going to be performing as commander in chief and president of the United States,” Obama said. “I think people have pretty good judgment about that.”


      O’ course, Barry was talking about his own youthful drug use, but – as we ALL know – he’s turned that page in the book of his life and we can’t say ANYTHING about his character based on what he did as a young, carefree man, can we?

      • jim_m

        Once again, the rules only apply to conservatives.  The lefties are allowed to be drug abusing felons, they can hire party leaders who go infecting their girlfriends with HIV, they cheat on their wives who are dieing from cancer.  None of that disqualifies them from holding office.  The media isn’t concerned with that and will actively cover it all up. 

        • herddog505

          Sad but true.

      • Brucehenry

        You may find it hypocritical of me, but I don’t have much of a problem with a kid using drugs, then later getting sober and growing up. But a bully stays a bully, in my experience. It’s a mindset.

        Maybe that’s why Romney has no qualms about making a (very good) living by buying companies and laying thousands of folks off. Success!!!

        • Amazing.

          Obama worships at the feet a hate-filled, race-fueled example of vermin like Jeremiah Wright for 20 years, has the loon officiate his wedding, announce his presidential run in a terrorist’s house, and it’s waved away like he wasn’t even a part of it.  He gets to be President.

          Ted Kennedy gets plastered, drives a car into a body of water, leaves his woman passenger there to die a death of drowning, doesn’t report it until the next day, and gets elected senator.

          In prep school, Mitt Romney SUPPOSEDLY engages in what amounts to giving someone a wedgie, and it’s “Once a bully, always a bully.”

          Just can NOT make this shit up.

          • Brucehenry

            Well, Shawn, there was quite a dust-up when voters first learned of Wright’s sermons, but they ended up electing Obama anyway. Perhaps they’ll feel the same way about Romney — and it won’t matter. (BTW, the “announced his White House run at at terrorist’s house” thingie is long debunked.)

            But it matters to me. I hate bullies in a way that I don’t hate former drug users. I hate bullies worse than poison. And a bully who’s also a rich prick and the governor’s son? Screw him.

            And you may think that 5 guys holding you down while your hair is cut off with scissors amounts to a harmless “prank” — something like “giving someone a wedgie” — but I call it assault and battery.

          • jim_m

             There wasn’t much of a to do about wright because the media had a near black out (can I use that term and not be called a racist?  Probably not) on what Wright actually said.  The media covered this up and refused to even report it for months before it finally broke through their stonewall and became a story.

            And frankly I see that obama is just as much if not more of a bully today, where I do not see that today in Romney.  obama got into the Illinois Senate by bullying his opponents off he ballot with underhanded challenges to their ballot petitions.  He Bullied his way into the US senate by getting the sealed divorce records of his opponents mysteriously released.  Reports of his staffers bullying other opponents in caucuses were common back in 2008.  obama has tried o bully the SCOTUS by calling them out in the SOTU address.  He has bullied that police officer in Cambridge by calling him stupid to the nation.

            obama is a thug.   We don’t hear about what he might have done as a kid because he was overseas for his childhood.

          • Jay

            … None of what you’re claiming is any actual bullying compared to how much Fox News seems to hammer the point that Democrats are causing a ton of problems they really aren’t.

        • herddog505

          Oh, ABOSLUTELY.  Why, if a child is a bully on the playground when he’s a toddler, we can bet money that he’ll be a thug of some sort when he’s in the nursing home.  Yessir, SOLID money.


          You may find it hypocritical of me…


          I also find it pathetic that lefties have to reach back into Romney’s teenage years to find something wrong with him.  What’s next?  A CBS exclusive about Mitt Romney refusing to share his toys while he was in kindergarten?  A series from the NYT or CNN profiling Mitt’s old girlfriends and how he was eager (TOO eager) to get to first base? (Actually, since Mitt is a Mormon, it would probably be the opposite complaint, i.e. that the teenage Mitt was “creepy” because he DIDN’T smoke, drink, skinnydip, and otherwise behave like a “normal” young man.)

          Oh, I know!  How about how a feature by Robin Roberts about how the eight year-old Mitt laughed at old Tom and Jerry cartoons that featured Mammy Two Shoes?  “Troubling Signs of Romney’s Racist Past”!  Film at eleven!

          Have the teenage years of an American politician EVER been such a big deal in modern times???

          • Brucehenry

            No one has to reach back into his teen years to find something wrong with Romney. There’s plenty from his years at Bain Capital to criticize.

             And from his political career, which seems to consist of saying anything expedient at any given moment, then later saying something different, then even later claiming that he’s been consistent all along.

            This is just juicy, and new. It’s definitely not a campaign-ender, but some people will form a negative opinion that may not have in the absence of this information.

          • jim_m

             You know there is not much congruence between a man who you call an “etch-a-scetch” and who “will say anything to anyone” and a man who is a bully.

            You can’t have it both ways.  Either he is this bully you have this week decided that he must be (for political convenience) or he is the wishy washy, spineless RINO that he was before that.

            Of course the left were never much on consistency in their beliefs.

          • Brucehenry

            Wrong, Jim.

             A guy who is a bully in the sense I’m describing is a coward. (I’m not using the rather stretchy definition of bully you attempt above. I’m talking about someone who would, to use Shawn’s analogy, “give someone a wedgie.”) He picks on the weaker and tries to intimidate them physically to compensate for his cowardice.

             But his cowardice always manifests itself somehow — sometimes in bullying, sometimes in toadying, behavior. Like Mitt. No incongruence here.

          • jim_m

             In my experience the bully does not  change his mind with the shifting of public opinion, but rather imposes his ideas and agenda on everyone around him.  Hence I see the incongruity.

          • Brucehenry

            Apparently, in your experience, bullies don’t get their come-uppance. In MY experience, I try to make sure that comes about. Maybe that’s why I’ve often seen bullies revealed as the sniveling POSes they are.

          • jim_m

             I find that they rarely do.

          • herddog505

            In all fairness, I’d say that the definition of bullying is so damned vague that it can mean just about anything to anybody: “I know it when I see it.”

            There are bullies who (apparently) behave as they do to compensate from some sense of inferiority, anxiety or fear.  There are others who bully because they have an authoritarian streak that gets out of control.  Etc.

            Borrowing from literature (Harry Flashman in the eponymous novels), some bullies will bully anybody weaker than themselves but will toady to anybody more powerful.  So, I think that it’s possible for a person to be a bully in one setting and a total squish in another.

          • Brucehenry

            If you doubt me on “a bully stays a bully,” ask the worst middle-aged office bully you know to tell you a funny story about his high school years. Then ask the second-worst.

            I said “in my experience,” Herd.

          • jim_m

             See above.  You were calling him a wishy washy flip flopper just a week ago.  He can’t be a spineless RINO and be a bully, they are pretty much mutually exclusive.

          • Brucehenry

            We’re talking past each other, Jim. But I disagree that a spineless flip-flopper can’t be a bully. A bully doesn’t have a real spine — he just pretends to be tough when he knows he’s got the upper hand.

          • jim_m

             As I said above my experience with bullies is different.

          • herddog505

            Then it should be possible to find people from Mitt’s adulthood – even his recent adulthood – who can attest to his alleged bullying character.  Where are they?  Why did the WaPo have to reach back to Mitt’s teenage years?

            As for his time at Bain, this is a standard b*tch of lefties: ANYBODY who’s a capitalist (who doesn’t do repentence by contributing huge sums to dems, that is) is a thug, a hoodlum, a bully, and a low-life of the worst sort.

            But what about something SPECIFIC from his years as a wrecker, a counterrevolutionary, and an imperialist oppressor of the workers at Bain?

            A number of readers recently have asked us to fact-check a story about Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney. The story, currently circulating on email, Facebook, and blogs, says that Romney helped a colleague of his at Bain Capital locate his missing teenage daughter.

            By all accounts, the effort by Bain employees was central to the effort to locate the girl, and Romney reportedly played a significant role in that effort. We give the account now circulating a rating of True.


            It’s obvious to me that PolitiFact really, really didn’t want to mark this story as true: they made all sorts of snide comments about the fact that Mitt didn’t lead the effort all by himself, that the level of the girl’s peril is open to question, etc.  But they had to admit that, when the daughter of one of Romney’s colleagues went missing, he temporarily dropped his vicious oppression of the masses and wore out some shoe leather to help get her home.

            MY experience with bullies is that they typically don’t go out of their way to help other people.

            Now, I know what you’re going to say: this was the daughter of a fellow imperialist reactionary, so Romney had to take a break from counting the money that he stole from the peasants.  But he’s done the rescue bit more than once:

            Gov. Mitt Romney rode to the rescue over the weekend during a vacation trip — using his Jet Ski to help pluck a New Jersey family and their dog out of Lake Winnipesaukee after their boat sank.

            The drama began at about 8:30 p.m. Saturday, as Romney and his family were relaxing at their lakeside summer home in Wolfeboro, N.H.

            Gubernatorial son Josh Romney told the Herald yesterday that he and brother Craig were cleaning the beach while their father puttered in the garage when the quiet night air was pierced with screams.

            “We heard a whole bunch of screaming,” said Josh Romney, who immediately hopped onto his Jet Ski.

            “We tore out of there and my dad hopped on the other Jet Ski and came out right after us.”


            Yep, sounds like a TOTAL bully to me.  Why, I’ve known PLENTY of bullies who behaved just like that.


            What the WaPo did was give people who might be a bit on the fence about Romney (and other than the fact that his last name isn’t “Obama”, I can’t think of a single reason to support the guy) a reason to admit that they “can’t” support him.  An irrational reason, I may add: how crazy is it to judge a man in his middle sixties by an alleged incident from his teenage years???

          • jim_m

             The standard bitch of the left that Romney is a heartless monster because his company laid people off is typical of the socialist mindset that says jobs should be forever and nothing should be cause for firing.  That’s why they love the unions and academia.  The two systems where that is the case.  The two systems that are failing dramatically.

          • Brucehenry

            If I have a widget factory and have to lay people off because widgets aren’t selling, that’s one thing. If I make a career of finding troubled companies to buy and “help” them by laying people off, that’s another.

            It might be a necessary thing to do, I don’t know, but it takes a special kind of asshole to do it. If you want that kind of asshole as your president, vote for Romney.

          • herddog505

            Or we could stick with the kind of asshole who blows through literally trillions in taxpayer cash, money that nobody knows where it went beyond that a good chunk went to companies that are owned by people who just so happened to give him large contributions, or are operated by unions that did the same.  This while he was going on countless vacations and golfing outings.  When he wasn’t ramming through enormously unpopular legislation (say, isn’t that bullying?) and presiding over a constantly shrinking workforce and a constantly ballooning debt, that is.

            Yeah, I can TOTALLY see why ANYBODY would prefer Barry to Mittens.


          • Brucehenry

            Just so you know, your writing skills, and my reading comprehension skills, I like to think, are such that the “/sarc” thingie isn’t necessary

          • jim_m

             Bruce,  Laying off people sucks.  I’ve been on both ends of that equation.  I’ve been in the board room when we made the decision of who to let go and broke the news.  It doesn’t take an a-hole, it just takes the determination that you are doing what you think is best for the company at that time. 

          • Brucehenry

            See my widget factory analogy above. Laying off people sucks. Making a career of laying people off sucks gorilla balls.

          • jim_m

             I have no familiarity with sucking gorilla balls (or any other) so I will take your word for it

          • You know in this case ‘troubled companies’ means companies that are about to go belly up and lay off ALL of their employees.  Instead they lay off SOME … and the company keeps running.  

            You have to know that is how that sort of thing works – so why the pretense?  Heck, I’ve been through it myself.  Had it happen to a company I worked for.  They cam in, bought, reorganized and laid off a bunch of people. . and turned the company profitable.  Now we’ve reopened several new stores and rehired more people.

            I know it sucked for those people – several of whom have now been, actually, rehired at new locations.  But – it is much better having the store exist at all than refusing to lay off anyone and ending up having to lay off everyone.

            See, you are making a purely emotion based argument here.  Is that really worthy?  You want a president who makes decisions based on … feelings?

          • Brucehenry

            Well, perhaps you’re right that it was too long ago to matter, and that my reaction is irrational to some extent. I’ll try to be more fair-minded. But I do hate a bully!

          • herddog505

            Nothing wrong with that.  Having been a target of it, I don’t care for it, myself.

  • John_LC_Silvoney

    Just heard about this breaking story from the WaPo:

    “Romney spilled spot remover on his dog….now he’s gone.”

    • Guest


      • Brucehenry

        That’s a Steven Wright joke from 1987.

        • jim_m

           Yeah I think you’re right.  I loved Steven Wright:  “I put instant coffee in the microwave… I went back in time.”

          Now if obama had spent 20 years in front of Steven Wright he might be a little more tolerable.

          • Brucehenry

            LOL, the Reverend Steven Wright!

            “I woke up this morning and everything in my apartment had been stolen — and replaced with an exact duplicate.”

          • Guest


      • jim_m

         Sounds like grumpy might have just choked on a piece of dog.

        • Sky__Captain

          Definitely the most intelligent thing Grumpy has said since his arrival.

        • More like dog shit

          • Guest

            Or maybe he choked on his boogers!

    • What a doggone shame that is…

  • herddog505

    More Mitt Romney bullying.  What a jerk this guy is!

    — After a neighbor fell from a ladder and broke his foot while trying to remove a hornet’s nest, Romney went to his house to laugh at him.  Oh, wait… he went to his house to remove the nest himself.

    — When another neighbor’s house caught fire, Romney made a video which he later posted on YouTube with insulting commentary.  Oh, wait… he organized the other neighbors to help get treasured possessions out of the house before the fire got out of control.

    — When a friend’s son died of cystic fibrosis, Romney showed up at the funeral to mock the family in their sorrow.  Oh, wait… he organized an effort to build a memorial park, then took chrage of keeping it in repair for years afterward.

    Everyone who knows Romney in the church community seems to have a story like this, about him and his family pitching in to help in ways big and small.


    I actually owe a debt of thanks to the liberal scum who’ve been trashing Romney as a bully based on something that allegedly happened nearly fifty years ago: it’s made me learn a bit about him, and I’m starting to like the guy.  He sounds like the other Mormons I’ve known: decent, generous, and kind.

    O’ course, I have to admit that these acts of kindness by Romney pale in comparison to Barry’s courageous, heroic, unprecedented announcement that his views on gay marriage have evolved to the same basic view that Dick Cheney has had for years…

    • Guest


      Sure, some cult members are nice…

      “”I think there’s a lot of mixed emotions,” says Liberty University student Jamie Goss. “Some people are, like, oh, I wish we would have had, like, a Christian speaker come.””



      • jim_m

         So it is hysterically funny that a Christian makes the (factually correct) statement that Mormons are not Christian?  What is really funny is the epic display of ignorance on your part.

        • Guest

          No, what’s really funny is the notion that Mormonism is a cult.



          • jim_m

            Yeah, what I was saying about ignorance….

            cult (n)
            cult [ kult ]   

            1) religion: a system of religious or spiritual beliefs, especially an informal and transient belief system regarded by others as misguided, unorthodox,
            extremist, or false, and directed by a charismatic, authoritarian leader

            2) religious group: a group of people who share religious or spiritual beliefs, especially beliefs regarded by others as misguided, unorthodox, extremist, or false

            3) idolization of somebody or something: an extreme or excessive admiration for a person, philosophy of life, or activity

            SO what you really find funny is the accurate use of the English language because you are a moron.

          • jim_m

            Perhaps you should write to Bing, Wikipedia, Miriam Webster, Oxford, etc to have them correct their definitions of the word “cult” to match your ignorant understanding of the word.

          • Guest

            So then you agree with those who think Mitt Romney is a cult member.


            And that his religious beliefs are “misguided, unorthodox, extremist, or false”

            Now, do you feel that way because of the cultish underwear they wear?


            Mormons believe that the holy garment will protect them from fire,
            bullets, knives and other assaults if the person wearing the garments
            kept all of their “temple covenants”. During the washing and anointing
            ceremony the Mormon is told the garment “represents the
            garment given to Adam when he was found naked in the garden of Eden.”
            The person is told that the garment “will be a shield and
            a protection to you against the power of the destroyer until you have
            finished your work here on earth.” In general, Mormons view the
            garment as a symbolic and spiritual shield against the powers of Satan.
            Some LDS believe that the garment provides them with
            “supernatural powers” of physical protection. Bill Marriott, prominent
            Mormon and owner of Marriott Hotels International stated in
            an interview with Mike Wallace of 60 Minutes that he believed his
            garments protected him from being burned during a boating accident.

            or is it because of Joseph Smith?

            The founder of the church, one Joseph Smith,
            was a fraud and conjurer well known to the authorities of upstate New
            York. He claimed to have been shown some gold plates on which a new
            revelation was inscribed in no known language. He then qualified as the
            sole translator of this language. (The entire story is related in Fawn Brodie’s biography, No Man Knows My History.*
            It seems that we can add, to sausages and laws, churches as a
            phenomenon that is not pleasant to watch at the manufacturing stage.
            Edmund Wilson wrote that it was powerfully shocking to see Brodie as she
            exposed a religion that was a whole-cloth fabrication.) On his later
            forays into the chartless wilderness, there to play the role of Moses to
            his followers (who were permitted and even encouraged in plural
            marriage, so as to go forth and mass-produce little Mormons), Smith also
            announced that he wanted to be known as the Prophet Muhammad of North
            America, with the fearsome slogan: “Either al-Koran or the Sword.”
            He levied war against his fellow citizens, and against the federal
            government. One might have thought that this alone would raise some
            eyebrows down at the local Baptist Church. …


            Just curious what it is for you that makes Mormonism a cult and the Protestant or Catholic faith a non-cult.

            Is it a question of which myth you believe?

          • jim_m

             Atheists such as yourself are not capable of understanding the concept of orthodoxy and I will not debate what is orthodox with someone who cannot understand the concept.

          • Guest


            How is the cult of Mormonism any different than the cult of the Protestant or Catholic faith, Jim?

            Come on, don’t run away and hide like a little hurt puppy dog….

            Your definition of cult, the words you emphasized are:

            especially beliefs regarded by others as misguided, unorthodox, extremist, or false

            Don’t people of the Jewish faith view Catholics as “misguided” and “false”.

            Does that make Catholics cultists?

            Which myths are the real ones and which ones are “misguided, unorthodox, extremist, or false”?

            Come on, jim, don’t run away…

          • jim_m

            As you just demonstrated in your own boorish manner, there is no point in discussing orthodoxy with a person who does not believe in the existence of God and holds all religious belief to be indistinguishable in its error.

            But as to Mormonism, which is an offshoot of Christianity, It claims to be “Christian” but denies many of the central tenets of the faith, particularly those regarding the nature of God himself. That is what makes it “Unorthodox” from the Christian point of view.

          • Guest

            You’re running away.

            The term “chickenshit” is tossed around a lot when people run away from arguments.

            You’re not chickenshit are you?

            And why would you be afraid to argue a position that you established – that Mormonism is a cult?

            Tell us, Jim, why Morminism is a cult and Catholicism isn’t?


          • jim_m

             If you read my last comment, which you obvioously did not, you would have noticed that I gave a brief and general answer to the question of why is Mormonism branded as a cult.

            You are rude and offensive and are not really interested in the answers.  You are interested in poking fun at religion because you are ignorant and incapable if understanding it.  Like a bully you mock what you cannot understand.

            I will not debate the issue. I have said what I want to.  You have already posted links to sites that call mormonism a cult.  I suggest you go away and read them and try to figure it out yourself without having to be spoon fed the knowledge you claim to want.

          • Guest

            so you’re now stating that Romney doesn’t believe in God?

          • jim_m

             No. I said that Mormonism is not orthodox.  You really seem to have a problem with the English language. 

          • Guest

            No, you said Mitt Romney belongs to a cult.

          • jim_m

            Dumbass.  You asked why people called Mormonism a cult and I gave you a
            dictionary definition and said that technically it was one based on the
            measure of not being orthodox. I was not calling it a cult. 

            I was
            providing you an answer to a question it turns out was not meant
            seriously but as a way to express you hatred toward Christians.  I am
            sorry that I tried to engage you in an honest discussion.  Fuck off.

          • Guest

            But if by your definition, a cult is “a group of people who share religious or spiritual beliefs, especially beliefs regarded by others as misguided, unorthodox, extremist, or false”
            doesn’t the fact that the Jewish faith sees Catholicism as “misguided or false” mean that Catrholics are cultists too?

            Sure it does, you’re just runnin away from your own arguments now that your beliefs have been shown as hugely hypocritical and “false”

            ergo, you’re a cult member too.

            and according to your definition if Mormonism is cult then every Christian faith is a cult.

            Thanks for playing, Jim. Feel free to hurl ad hominem attacks instead of addressing the position you yourself established, then ran away from… but thanks for calling the GOP nominee a cult member. I appreciate your honesty in that regard at least.

          • jim_m

             Not my definition.  The definition is from Webster, oxford, etc.   You have questions?  I have told you to address those questions to them.

            Orthodoxy is defined as “conformity: the practice of observing established social customs and definitions of appropriateness”, as such it is a relative state dependent upon the societal norm and tradition. 

            Once again we see that you are not interested in a real discussion but you are interested in slandering all religion.  I will not engage in that.

          • Guest

            It’s the definition you yourselfchose- lol

          • jim_m

             One thing is clear from the tone of all your posts:  You are an anti-religious bigot.

          • Guest

            I’m a Jew, who’s offended by your remarks.

          • jim_m

            Fine.  Then I will say that you are an anti-Christian bigot and you can
            go F off.  As I have said, you have had no other purpose than to mock
            and offend.  I have addressed your questions politely and met with
            slander.  Fuck off.

          • Guest

            We’re not discussing otherodoxy, we’re discussing your claim that Mitt Romney belongs to a cult.

            A cult, by your definition, is “a group of people who share religious or spiritual beliefs, especially beliefs regarded by others as misguided, unorthodox, extremist, or false”.

            But people of the Jewish faith view Catholics as “misguided” and following “false beliefs” – therefore by your definition Catholics are cultists.

            And the majority of Christians see the Jewish faith as “misguided” and following “false beliefs” – therefore by your definition Jews are cultists too.Why do you continue to avoid addressing the definition you yourself claim is true?You’re not one of those chickensht morons, so I know that’s not the reason you keep running away from your definition… come on Jim.

          • jim_m

            So you are an anti-Christian bigot.  You are a bigot none the less,  F off,

          • jim_m

            And BTW:  I was not claiming that Mormonism is a cult, I was explaining why some other people say that it is.  You cannot find me going around calling Romney a cultist so just go f off with your bigotry.

          • Time and past time to just ignore him completely, Jim.

          • jim_m

             I tried to engage in an honest discssion but he is not capable of reciprocating.

      • Olsoljer

        I wonder how many of you were in HS in the 60’s?  Comparing what happened then is like comparing gas prices.  .17 cents a gallon then, +4.00$ now.  I grew up in a small town in Arizona, and early on in HS they were busing kids in from a new community 50 miles away.   We were a town of ranchers, miners and that sort.  The kids from the new community were transplants from California.  Annually we had a “dress up” day where we wore Sunday best to school.  The kids from the new community got off the bus wearing surfer shorts, sandals, and floral shirts or t-shirts and the fight was on.  It was so bad the police and sheriff’s department was called in, and the “new kids” were put back on the bus and escorted by the authorities back to their community (and followed partially back there by car and pick up trucks of angry local kids).  Long hair or dyed hair was not tolerated by the students, faculty (sent home from school) local citizens or the local law enforcement (who often picked up long hair hitch hikers, took them to jail, washed them down and cut their hair before taking them to the city limits and dropping them off).  Within a couple of years, the new community built their own HS.  Back then calling someone a queer was not necessarily a reflection of their sexual preferences, but an overt invitation to fight (I doubt most of us really new what a “queer” was).  That was just the times, and projecting current events back into the 60’s for comparison is just plain ignorant.
        In some of the references to Romney being a bully, and his take overs of failing companies firing many employees.  In the late 60s, when long hair became a little more tolerated, my younger brother was one of the fringe, pacifist hippie types.  His job now?  He is a trouble shooter for an international company.  He knocks down 6 figures to travel to different plant locations, identify problem areas and correct them (which has included the firing of many employees, at the worker as well as administrative level).  Why?  Because the plant was losing money or falling down in production levels and in order to turn it around and become profitable the actions are/were necessary.  That is not bullying, it is good business.  Apparently some of you have assumed private enterprise is comparable to government where firing or restructuring is damn near impossible, so losses and inefficiency becomes magnified.   With trillions in deficit spending, it only makes sense to have someone in charge to eliminate non-productive workers and departments/agencies that are detrimental to continued growth and/or redundant.  Private enterprise as well as the government are not supposed to be in business to lose money or for the gratification of the individuals employed. 
        Most of us here agree on the goals but differ from time to time on the methods of reaching them.
        The minority would rather obfuscate, or regurgitate pap fed to them by proven unreliable sources or innuendo than think rationally for themselves.  After all it is easier to repeat than research isn’t it?

  • ackwired

    So the point is that the liberal press demonizes Romney and the conservative press demonizes Obama.

    Thanks for the news.

  • EricSteel

    The biggest question I have about this article is, where did it originate? Did the Washington Post go out and down this story all on its own or did it get some help from the Obama Campaign’s Oppo Research department? It seems awefully coincidental that this story comes out which makes Romney look homophobic at the same time that Obama has a sudden epiphany about Gay rights. For such a sudden change in heart the Obama campaign was able to create and produce a bunch of LGBT themed items for the Campaign store just yesterday.

    • Guest

      I suspect the Obama campaign heard about the WaPo story and decided to get out in front of it, yes.

      Welcome to politics in America. Just don’t pretend the GOP doesn’t do the same thing. We can be honest too, right?

  • Guest

    Here’s an interesting followup to the ‘Romney is a cultist’ meme that Jim_m put forth, then ran away from:

    But there are several other questions that I think Evangelicals should ask
    before supporting Romney for President or any other Mormon for that high

    They are these…

    #1  Is Mormonism a false cult that decieves people and leads many to hell?

    Answer yes!

    #2  Is Mormonism evangelistic in that it seeks to grow by making converts to its faith?

    Answer yes!  It is aggressively evangelistic and successfully as one of the fastest growing cults in our time.

    #3  Does Mormonism seek to confuse people by representing itself as a genuine Christian group.

    Answer yes!  They have spent tons of money on add campaigns for this purpose.  I have met many times with Mormon missionaries and their intial talking point is that “we are Christian too”.   I have heard at least once or twice Mitt Romney himself represent Mormonism in interviews as a Christian group.

    Mornonism has a major agenda to deceive people by describing itself as a Christian denomination.   They intentionally make less of their differences.  For example, I will take a quote from the news this week regarding something that you have no
    doubt heard about.  This is a response to a question Gov. Huckabee had asked if Mormonism teaches that Jesus and the Devil are brothers.  Here is the response by the LDS spokeswoman that has run in almost every article I have read about the controversy over Huckabee’s question. 

     “We believe, as other Christians believe and as Paul wrote, that God is the father of all,” said the spokeswoman, Kim Farah. “That means that all beings were created by God and are his spirit children. Christ, on the other hand, was the only begotten in the flesh
    and we worship him as the son of God and the savior of mankind. Satan is the exact opposite of who Christ is and what he stands for.”

    The two parts that I have underlined represent false teachings of Mormonism
    that are put in here as if all “other Christians and Paul” believe and taught these too.  The phrase, “only begotten in the flesh” sounds fine but Mormonism has a completely different take on it than Christians. 

    They actually teach that Elohim came down and had sex with Mary and that
    is why Jesus is the ”only begotten”.  See my blog page at Pastors4Huckabeeblog.com to read more or find documentation for this. 

    #4  Would the election of Mitt Romney as President be likely used by Mormons in
    America and worldwide as a point of reference to ascert that Mormonism
    is a respectable Christian denomination and would Mormon missionaries use a Romney Presidency to advance their own evangelistic attempts at redifining Mormonism and representing their religion in a good light?

    Answer yes!  Absolutely, my experience with Mormon missionaries leads me expect them to seek to continue the rouge that Mormonism is really Christian.  They would most definitely point to Mitt Romney -especially if he were a popular President with
    a good family life- and  would use Romney as a lifestyle witness for their faith.  They could say, “You can have what the President has, here is a book  of Mormon, etc.”

    #5  Do I believe that the growth of Mormonism worldwide is harmful?

    Answer yes!  Very, it leads people into spiritual darkness with a counterfeit gospel.

    #6  Do I value the souls of men and women boys and girls worldwide over my political concerns?

    Answer yes!  I love my country very much and am a pashionate conservative, but my countries welfare is only temporal matter.  People being deceived and going to
    Hell is an eternal matter.  I believe we should put eternal matters over temporal ones.  I cannot in good conscience do anything that I believe would advance a false gospel that would lead others to hell.  Therefore I cannot under any conditions vote for a Mormon for President because I believe it would have that undesirable effect.

    #7  Do I believe that voting for a Mormon who prays to a false god and a conterfit Christ,
    would have any access through prayer to the true God, and do I think
    prayer matters?

    I do not believe that a Mormon praying to his god for help or wisdom has any hope for an
    answer to his prayer.  I do think answered prayer matters.  To say that answered prayer doesn’t matter is another way of saying that God Himself doesn’t matter.  That a President by his own wisdom can make decisions and not be in need of Divine help.  This idea is unacceptable to me as well.  It is true that we have had Presidents who were lost and did not have their prayers for wisdom and help answered either.  This is not to
    fail to acknowledge that the true God could answer the peoples prayers for their President.  But it seems if we can choose between someone who prays to the right God and someone who prays to a false god that cannot hear, we would be wise to choose someone who can pray to the true God and get wisdom and help in time of need.  

    We also must remember that not everyone who claims to be a Christian really is even if they go to a Baptist Church.  But if we can see fruit in someones life who is a respectable Christian with a biblical worldview, I would think that he would be a far better choice
    than anyone else who has no hope of God hearing their prayers unless they themselves repent and get saved first.  So I again could not vote for a Mormon.


    • jim_m

      It’s your meme jackass. You put it out there and I tried to politely explain how some people think. I didn’t run away, I refused to engage in your bigotry.

      • Guest

        You ran from an honest question.

        If mormonism is a cult so is every other religion, by the very definition you chose of a cult.

        Pointing that out to you and asking you to explain your position made you run from your position like a scared little child, spewing insults as you ran down the hall and hid under your bed.

        You then proceeded to write a dozen comments, each one avoiding the question… as you explained that you were refusing to engage.

        Quite the amazing display of cowardice.

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