Why is the New England Historic Genealogical Society Lying Abut Warren’s Amer. Indian Claims?

As each day rolls on in this investigation of the claims made by Massachusetts Democrat Senate candidate Elizabeth Warren that she has Native American heritage in her background we are finding fewer and fewer reasons to believe her. Sadly, she is dragging down once well-respected groups with her unprovable claims and Boston-based New England Historic Genealogical Society is one of them.

As this story came to the fore recently one of the main sources that buttressed Warren’s now faltering claims that she is part Native American came from the New England Historic Genealogical Society (NEHGS). Famously, or perhaps now infamously, NEHGS genealogist Christopher Child substantiated Warren’s claim that her great-great-great grandmother, O.C. Sarah Smith, had Cherokee blood.

This evidence, Mr. Child claimed, is substantiated by a “marriage application” filed with the state of Oklahoma upon which, Child insists, is a section where this supposed native heritage is noted. This document, however, does not seem to actually exist.

Worse, according to the County Clerk of Logan County, Oklahoma, there was no such thing as a “marriage application” in the 1890s, the era in which O.C. Sarah Smith was married. The clerk said that people didn’t get “applications” back then, they just got a marriage certificate and that was all — there was no “application” process. So, not only does this document not exist, it couldn’t exist.

Naturally, the NEHGS has suddenly found that it no longer wants to be part of this debate! The NEHGS has shut down any communication about the claims made by its genealogist. William A. Jacobson of the Legal Insurrection blog tried to contact the NEHGS and found that the organization doesn’t have the integrity to stand up for its claims. Sadly, Jacobson found that the NEHGS is refusing to reply to any calls to prove that what they’ve said about Warren is true.

It is sad to see the New England Historic Genealogical Society allowing its reputation to be destroyed by its desires to buck up a Democrat running for office. Of course, Child and the NEHGS get a lot of cash from the state and one has to assume that they are just looking to find favor with a Democrat that they might assume will help them get more public money.

But what this all comes down to is Warren relying simply on family lore to claim that she has American Indian heritage. Now, this sort of foolish reliance on mere family myth is fine when a family is sitting around the dinner table or at family functions and shooting from the lip about their past. But basing legal and moral claims on such hearsay is not legitimate.

Warren has done just that, too. She’s used her unsubstantiated family mythos for financial gain. Worse, the university at which she teaches has done the same thing. Harvard University has used Warren’s faux Indian heritage to sell its programs and likely done so in efforts to get funding, as well.

Family lore is one thing, but when that lore is used for financial gain and it turns out to be based on nothing but lies, this is something else entirely.

Warren is being brazen about it all, too. Far from shying from the discussion she is doubling down on her fake claims of a Native American heritage saying she is “proud” of that heritage… that doesn’t actually exist.

So, what should we call this woman? Is her Indian name Lies Like The Wind? How about Faux-cahontis? Whatever names we call her, “American Indian” isn’t among them.

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  • herddog505

    Gotta wonder what REAL Indians, stuck on lousy reservations, make of all this.

    • Meiji_man

      Somewhere out there, there is a Real American-Indian that didn’t get a job because of this woman. 

    • Members of the Five Civilized Tribes are not stuck on reservations. Their reservations were eliminated when Congress created the Dawes Commission. Land belonging to the Cherokee Nation is scattered throughout northeastern Oklahoma, with the southwestern border of the Cherokee Nation running through the northeastern corner of the city of Tulsa.

  • GarandFan

    Like true liberals, they took the word of another liberal.  Now that it’s unraveling, it’s time to STFU! and go away.

    Problem solved.

  • Hank_M

    A local columnist/radio show host Michael Graham refers to Warren as:

    Dances with Truths

    More seriously, she HAS doubled down on her fake heritage which shows a serious character flaw – an out of control ego coupled with a complete inability to admit to being wrong.

    I fail to see how she and Obama could ever be together in the same room.

  • SCSIwuzzy

    I’m a blue-eyed 1/8 Sioux, and I would never have put Native American on my college papers.  Because someone with a better claim that might have had a more uphill climb than me (looking a little hard to place, and not tanning/burning as expected doesn’t count) may have needed that hand up alot more than I.  Like my distant cousins with brown eyes and straight black hair…
    But to lie about being 1/32 and actually getting benefit from that?!?

  • In some circles, having ancestors documented as pre- American Revolution makes you practically indigenous.

    Hank_M – “Dances with Truths”; excellent!

  • Guest

     Don’t they have genealogical dna test that determine ethnic background?

    Yes, http://www.dnaancestryproject.com/index.php

    Maybe if the right hounds her long enough she’ll get the test done and embarrass you all as badly as Obama did when he produced his birth certificate.

    If I had to guess, that’s how I’d see this resolving itself. 

    • jim_m

      And every day she waits she is cementing her reputation as untrustworthy so even in the exceedingly rare event that her BS story is substantiated it will be too late to change the impression created in the minds of the voters.

      • Shhh!  Let it drag out until election day!

        • jim_m

          She’s never going to have a genetic test.  The notion is highly risable.

          • Hank_M

             Agreed. The last thing Warren needs is more proof she’s of swedish descent. Can’t get much whiter than that.

          • Guest

             And if Barack Obama would only produce his birth certificate!

            And after letting the Republicans embarrass themselves into a hole, he did.

            Same pattern here…. could happen… could happen.

          • Sky__Captain

            A very poor  Photoshop that is inadmissible in a court of law? 0bama should be embarrassed, but one has to have scruples to be embarrassed, so that won’t happen.

            Speaking of embarrassment, aren’t you with that slanderous headline?
            you should be. Oh wait, one has to have scruples to be embarrassed…

          • Guest

            Now that you’ve called him on it I’m sure he’s both scared and embarrassed.

            Thanks for showing up just in time, SC.


    • EricSteel

      I wasn’t embarrased by Obama’s Birth Certificate, because I never questioned his citizenship.  From day one I thought the Birthers are freaking nut bars. 

      “If I had to guess, that’s how I’d see this resolving itself. ”

      Out of curiosity, what would you say about Warren, if a DNA test shows that she has no Indian ancestry?

      Would that be a big deal or not?

      • Guest

        Oh, let’s see, taking a page for the birther idiots — I’d put on my SkyCaptain tin-foil hat and declare that the test results were photoshopped!

        • EricSteel

          No, you are showing that you are an idiot now. So, if the test results show negative, then she photoshopped them?

          • Guest

            No, somebody else did.

            Happens all the time, just ask Sky Captain. (see above and below)

          • EricSteel

            I disagree Grumpy, you are selling yourself short. You show yourself to be an idiot everyday. Wear it proudly.

          • Guest

            Nice talking to you too. Just remember: “The data on the birth certificate is accurate, but the Photoshop job done to it was quite laughably and fraudulent.”

    • Sky__Captain

      I was not embarrassed about the existence of 0bama’s birth certificate, I never doubted it was there.

      YOU, however, being a worshiper of the 0bamamessiah, should be quite embarrassed with what was released.
      The data on the birth certificate is accurate, but the Photoshop job done to it was quite laughably and fraudulent.

      Speaking of fraudulent, why haven’t you changed your slanderous headline? Too senile to remember how to do it?

      • Guest

        Thanks, I knew someone would come along and say that.

        So why should Warren bother to try to prove anything? There will still be right wing morons who dispute the proof.

        • retired.military

          Yep  she is an indian.  Grumpy said it.  Same way he said that Obama would win in Nov.  Only thing is he has no balls to put his money where his mouth is.

    • LiberalNightmare

      Wow, the idea the Lizzy is sitting around wondering when Grumpy is gonna tell her where to find the DNA testing place is hilarious.

      Lets examine that thought just a little further.

      Elizabeth Warren, an educated women that has managed to overcome the terrible obstacles placed in her path by the curse of her mixed heritage,  has endured this scandal for nearly a month, Choose one of the reasons that would explain why she hasn’t offered up the DNA sample that would simultaneously clear her name and catapult her into the lead of a close campaign.

      Option 1:
      She was waiting for Grumpy to call her up and suggest a DNA test, or …

      Option 2:
      A test would reveal that her DNA is 1/32 bull-poop.

      • Guest

        yeah, right.

    • Olsoljer

      Ummmmm…………..you mean the birth certificate that is under investigation for being tampered with, or perhaps the selective service card that has been altered, or the social security card that was issued by a state in which the holder never had residency?  
      The chances of her getting a dna test is probably greater than obama releasing his educational and passport information tho.

  • David Baskwill

    “Dances With Lenin” is more accurate.  Lenin probably had more Native American blood than she does also.

  • cirby

    Something to keep in mind:

    Most family trees are compiled by bored older ladies, who are looking for something fascinating about their families (and themselves) to be able to talk about at parties and other social functions.

    A few decades ago, it became fashionable to show a little native ancestry, usually with an “Indian Princess” married into the main line of the family.  Not too close, of course – it wouldn’t do to have someone’s grandmother be a minority – usually a great-great grandmother, or some such.

    Since most old, established families don’t have anything like that in the actual records, a lot of those old ladies just flat made things up.  It wasn’t like someone was going to go to the local genealogical societies to look up their great-aunt-twice-removed to see if she actually was from some local tribe.

    A lot of real scandals got covered up that way – the mulatto dance hall girl that great-great-great grandfather Joe married when she got knocked up was a lot more socially acceptable when she became “Running Doe” in the family archives.

    That does bring up a minor point: quite a few former slaves and their descendants took part in the Oklahoma land rushes from 1889 to 1895.  Funny coincidence.

  • ackwired

    Where was the lie?  You admit that she has always been very open about the fact that she only knew that family lore said a relative was Cherokee.  Isn’t that the truth?

    • warnertoddhuston

      Try to keep up, won’t you? 

      • ackwired

        Sorry.  You are an awfully fast talker for someone focused on the facts and trying to reflect on the accuracy of your conclusions.

        • warnertoddhuston

          It’s hard to have a conversation with you when either didn’t bother to read the post, or are willfully ignorant about the situation. So, I suggest you do your due diligence first.

          • Well, Warner…

            1.  I doubt you’ll ever have an intelligent conversation with a fool such as he.

            2.  Using “due diligence” with regard to said fool really demands an intervening negation.

            3.  I humbly suggest you quit wasting your time and inconveniencing electrons to feed a troll.

          • ackwired

            Rodney gets a little ugly toward those that expose him.

          • ackwired

            I assume that you are refusing to engage because you are implying that the actions of the NEHGS are her actions and then drawing the conclusion that she is a liar.  Sorry I could not keep up with the logic.

    • SCSIwuzzy

      She put on her college applications that she was Native American.

      Best case scenarios here is that she put that data down based on family lore and no evidence, proving she is neither very bright nor intellectually curious.
      Worst case is that she put it down knowing it was false and knowing she was taking a set aside from a potentially deserving applicant.

      • ackwired

        That would indeed be the worst case.  Some other best cases are being reported.  For example:

        “On Monday night, officials involved in her hiring at Harvard, the University of Pennsylvania, the University of Texas and the University of Houston Law Center all said that she was hired because she was an outstanding teacher, and that her lineage was either not discussed or not a factor.”


        As you indicate, we don’t really know.  It’s an election and when the stakes are high, allegations fly.

        • herddog505

          I’m sorry, but the claim by these law schools that her (alleged) ethnicity NEVER entered their minds is rebutted by the fact that they kept listing her as a minority.  Obviously they were VERY aware of it.

          Further, in this day of obsessing about race and equal opportunity, are we to seriously believe that – in academia, of all places – either nobody looked at the checkbox or cared what they saw there if they did?  We’re to believe that a bunch of law professors and university administrators, confronted with a woman who was also a minority simply shrugged their shoulders and said, “Oh, look: she’s an Indian.  How nice.  But what are her academic credentials?  THAT’S the ONLY thing we care about”?

          • ackwired

            Harvard says that she listed it in law school registers after being admitted.  There is no responsible allegation that she listed it on her application.

      • herddog505

        She put that on her college application?  Really?

        I wonder how many people do that who aren’t bona fide Indians, who just say, “Meh, grandma used to tell me that I was descended from Sitting Bull, so I’ll mark ‘American Indian’ on my app.”

  • @acwired

    Reread the post. She did much more than used it for tales
    around the campfire.

    • ackwired

      Actually the post says that the NEHGS did more with it and then the post blames her for their actions.  It is a clever post.  But a careful reading will reveal that it is less than forthright.

  • It is sad that these supposedly trustworthy organizations have
    exposed themselves as liars. I wonder how often this happened in the past
    before widespread use of the internet.

  • Elizabeth Warren’s defenders are trying to win a straw-man argument. They want everyone to believe that Warren merely claimed to have a Cherokee ancestor. Yet, that is not what she did. She had herself listed as a minority, which was a lie because Warren is not a member of the Cherokee Nation.

    At Big Government, a reader calling herself “NATIVEGIRL” wrote the following comment:

    “A true Native American would have a card showing a degree of blood and a citizenship card. I have these due to being a member of the Creek Nation tribe of Mvskoke (Muscogee) Indians. If it is not a law, it should be, that these cards are required to use the Native American status. Family folk lore can be very misleading and should not be viewed as legal status. Any compensation Warren has received for her use as being a Native American should be repaid into a trust type account until this issue is resolved and she is a certified member of a tribe. This requires legal documents of birth and marriage certificates showing lineage back to a registered ancestor.”

    Members of the Cherokee Nation are descended from Cherokees who were enrolled by the Dawes Commission. Those who were enrolled received a roll number, and it is that roll number that modern-day Cherokees use to legally prove their Cherokee status. Elizabeth Warren has no such roll number. If she had one, then this controversy would have ended as soon as it was started.