MSNBC Liberal Chris Hayes ‘Uncomfortable’ Calling Our Troops ‘Heroes’

After a morning in remembrance of our fallen troops and an afternoon firing up the gas grill to burn up a mess of burgers, hot dogs, and brats for my family as we observe what has become a traditional American Memorial day meal (Some of us in my household are working tomorrow, so we had our meal today), I find that MSNBC is observing this holiday in true liberal* fashion: denigrating our troops.

True to that liberal penchant of discounting the brave men and women that serve in our nation’s armed forces, I introduce to you a lowly personage named Chris Hayes, a left-wing MSNBC host whose show “Up” airs on the weekend.

This weekend Hayes felt compelled to warn everyone that calling our troops “heroes” is something that should make us all “uncomfortable.”

In an inordinately inarticulate way, here is what he said about our troops this weekend:

Thinking today and observing Memorial Day, that’ll be happening tomorrow. Just talked with Lt. Col. Steve Burke [sic, actually Beck], who was a casualty officer with the Marines and had to tell people [inaudible]. Um, I, I, ah, back sorry, um, I think it’s interesting because I think it is very difficult to talk about the war dead and the fallen without invoking valor, without invoking the words “heroes.” Um, and, ah, ah, why do I feel so comfortable [sic] about the word “hero”? I feel comfortable, ah, uncomfortable, about the word because it seems to me that it is so rhetorically proximate to justifications for more war. Um, and, I don’t want to obviously desecrate or disrespect memory of anyone that’s fallen, and obviously there are individual circumstances in which there is genuine, tremendous heroism: hail of gunfire, rescuing fellow soldiers and things like that. But it seems to me that we marshal this word in a way that is problematic. But maybe I’m wrong about that.

(Thanks Newsbusters for the transcript)

This is typical of the hatred that liberals have for our troops.

Now, without question there are stray individual soldiers that are creeps. Some even criminals. There are those that definitely should not be called a hero. We all know that some individual soldiers are not heroes. As in all walks of life, there isn’t any group that is 100% good (or bad). But to any true American, this goes without saying. It is taken as granted. Any individual soldiers that turn out to be a bad seed are the outliers, those out of the ordinary.

To most Americans, our troops are assumed, as a group, to be the best of the best. They are regarded as heroes as a group, in general, overall. Sure individuals obviate this general rule, but as a group Americans are proud of their soldiers and consider them the best we have to offer.

But to a liberal, it cannot go without saying that some soldiers are bad people because liberals look at the troops from the opposite direction. They assume all members of the military are stupid, venal, and low. They assume that they are all knuckle dragging, murderous, bigots that just want to shoot someone.

Hence Hayes’ “uncomfortable” feeling emerges over the idea of thinking of our soldiers as heroes. Hayes is just being a true liberal. They hate our troops and when they find one that is an upstanding hero they consider that person to be the one that is out of the ordinary.

Happy Memorial Day, Chris Hayes. I’d like to remind you that many of those Neanderthals that you despise so much died for your right to hate them.

For the rest of us, we honor and thank those that serve and mourn those we’ve lost in service to us.

Happy Memorial Day, everyone.

*Note: Democrats should not necessarily be confused with “liberals.” Not all Democrats are liberals.

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  • jim_m

    Sad, that some on the left hate this country so much that they cannot allow themselves to find even one redeeming thing about the country or its people.

  • Sky__Captain

    In an interesting coincidence, I happen to be uncomfortable with Chris Hayes  on television.

    Fortunately, damn few people watch MSNBC.
    Thank you, Warner Todd Huston, for watching MSNBC so the rest of us don’t have to.

  • retired.military

    I am sure that he would have no trouble calling Obama a hero.  Or karl marx for that matter.

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  • EricSteel

    But but but Republicans are chickenhawks.

    • TycheSD

      Yes, a bunch of Republican leaders and politicians are indeed chickenhawks.

      • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

        Whereas Democrat Leadership are just chickenshit.

      • Jwb10001

        but Obama, Clinton they aren’t chickenhawks right?

  • Commander_Chico

    The troops are heroes, those who sent them to unnecessary and futile wars are scum who betrayed them.

    Thermopylae, by C.P. Cavafy

    Honor to those who in the life they lead
    define and guard a Thermopylae.
    Never betraying what is right,
    consistent and just in all they do
    but showing pity also, and compassion;
    generous when they are rich, and when they are poor,
    still generous in small ways,
    still helping as much as they can;
    always speaking the truth,
    yet without hating those who lie. 

    And even more honor is due to them
    when they foresee (as many do foresee)
    that in the end Ephialtis will make his appearance,
    that the Medes will break through after all.

    • http://wizbangblog.com Kevin

      The troops are heroes, those who sent them to unnecessary and futile wars are scum who betrayed them.

      While you may have some who would disagree with the second part, that’s probably why this has stuck such a chord…

      In Iraq and Afghanistan both sides on the debates about the wars have pretty much left the troops out of the argument.  They’re doing their job as best they can, which most people acknowledge.  To suggest that their service is somehow less than heroic changes the equation in a way that makes lots of people very uncomfortable.

  • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

    The issue here is the inability of MSNBC talking heads to refer to our fallen heroes as heroes.

  • TycheSD

    Where did Chris Hayes say that he “hated” the troops?  You won’t be able to find it because he never said it, nor did he say anything to imply it.

    • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

      Show where someone on this thread said that Chris Hayes had said that he “hated” the troops or retract.

      • TycheSD

        From the original post:

        “Happy Memorial Day, Chris Hayes. I’d like to remind you that many of those Neanderthals that you despise so much died for your right to hate them.”

  • The_Weege_99

    That’s ok, Chris. I understand.

    I have a problem referring to anybody on MSNBC as a “journalist” or a “reporter”.

  • Brucehenry

    Huston says so, repeatedly, in the post itself, genius.

    • herddog505

      Yes.

  • KenWD

    Thanks for the insight Chris.  My father never graduated from high school.  He served in Korea, came home, went to work and put three sons through college.  I think I’ll call him a hero today.    

  • rippercat

    Chris Hayes is the very best and most articulate commentator available today.

    Our soldiers are fighting wars of agression. They are largely from the “working class” some of whom join the service as the only way to learn a skillband qualify for ” free education”.
    They are victims of national propaganda.

    They are not “heros” in the national defense sense but often are heroes with respect to each other when they discover the harsh realities of the situations they have volunteered for.

    Some are truly of the “warrier” subclass but are actually fighting wars of agression rather than defensive wars.

    Those with differing opinions or committed flag wavers like the author are the reason the wars continue to shred otherwise possibly productive lives to guarantee supply lines for our inexhausiable appetites.

    • Walter_Cronanty

      Your post has proven three things: 1) you’re an ass; 2) you’re an inarticulate ass; and, 3) you’re an inarticulate ass who can’t spell.

      • Alohajonny

        “Warrier”

        • jim_m

           Apparently it is a comparative.  Some people are warrier than others.  War, warrier, warriest.

          • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

            Used by douchebags, douchebagier, douchebagiest?

      • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

        An inarticulate ass who can’t spell and who doesn’t know the first rule of Holes.

      • rippercat

        And just what do you think your less than articulate response proves about you?

        • Walter_Cronanty

          That I gave as much thought to the substance of your post as you did. 

    • jim_m

       Nice to see that you have fallen for all of the left wing propaganda about who actually serves in our military.  Front line infantry is predominantly NOT those from lower economic classes seeking “skills” as they are in skilled positions.

      They are heroes and they are serving their country.  In fact they are serving YOUR country and have devoted a part of THEIR lives to protecting YOUR interests and freedom.  Too bad YOU are such a selfish ingrate that YOU cannot see YOUR way to acknowledging THEIR sacrifice on YOUR behalf.

      • rippercat

        See my response to The-Weege-99

        • Alohajonny

          See my response to you Pippercat

    • The_Weege_99

      Yes, it is painfully obvious you would never consider serving your country. You seem too “sophisticated” for that.

      “Sophisticated” people like you require people better than themselves to do the hard work and heavy lifting in the world, while you are busy straining your shoulders patting yourselves on the back for how “sophisticated” you are.

      • rippercat

        I served during the Vietnam War.Those who haven’t served should not comment on things they know nothing about.

        • Alohajonny

          I served an am still serving 27 years AC, so STFU Pippercat, thanks for your service but you don’t know WTF you are talking about Libtard. 

        • jim_m

           Screw you.

          I may not have served, but my father who served and my friends who served and my girlfriend who served deserve to be pissed on by an ingrate like you?  Screw you.  It isn’t just those who serve but their families and friends who also understand the sacrifice they make. 

          • jim_m

             I like this left wing bullshit of “if you haven’t ever… you have no right to have an opinion about it”.  It’s the same with abortion:  If you can’t be pregnant then you have no right to opine?  Really?  I can father a child?  I have no right to opine on whether or not abortion is right?  Please.

            Every American has the right to opine about the military.  Even assholes like rip who want to silence anyone who disagrees with them.

        • Evil Otto

          Guys, check out this supposed veteran’s DISQUS profile. Progressives Unites, MoveOn.org, he’s about as cookie-cutter a leftist as you’re likely to run into.

          • jim_m

             Actually, that places him further to the left of most of our trolls.

          • jim_m

             Actually, that places him further to the left of most of our trolls.

        • Owen007

          Then I guess that means you can never comment about articulate responses. :p

          And if you did serve in Vietnam, then I’m amazed by your childishness. You get yourself into a debate, get hassled, see opinions you disagree with… and claim no one can talk about serving if they themselves didn’t?

          Who the hell do you think you are to tell someone else not to express themselves? Are you not familiar with the concept of the First Amendment? Obviously not, so I’ll enlighten you. The First Amendment guarantees (among other things) freedom of speech. It’s not just about one person getting to say what they want, but about that person having to tolerate someone else’s opinions. Sure, on this or any other discussion area, people will disagree and even mock, but only the truly disgusting and childish pull your kinda crap.

          So don’t you dare cop this “should not comment” crap, especially when you’re only doing so in reaction to a different opinion. Grow up, little – and I use the next term loosely – man.

          • jim_m

             Shut up is as sophisticated as the left can get anymore.

        • The_Weege_99

          First, an apology for believing you had not served.

          It was a natural mistake – almost every time people who spew such inanity have not served.

          But then you are also guilty of the same bad assumption.
          USAF 85-89.

          Did you volunteer, or were you drafted?

    • Alohajonny

      Whats a “Warrier”  should I Google it?   Your an Idiot, go make your bed. 

      • rippercat

        Obviously, you are not a warrier. But you probably vote and that is a problem.

        • jim_m

          that would be WARRIOR.  illiterate fool. I’m sure that you vote and you can’t even use the language properly. That’s a problem too, but i don’t deny your right to vote. Or make stupid statements about who has the right to hold an opinion.

          • rippercat

            Concentrate more on ideas and not spelling errors.

          • jim_m

             I have been. You were the one who needed clarification as to what everyone else was talking about.  I was just trying to end your ignorance.  But apparently there is no end to your ignorance.

        • Evil Otto

          Yes, people voting in ways you don’t approve of IS a problem, isn’t it?

          • rippercat

            No, but people voting the way the corporatocracy has indoctrinated them to is what does matter.

          • jim_m

             Ok so you admit that people voting the way you don’t like is a problem for you. 

            So what do you propose be done about that?  Reeducation camps?  Restrict their voting rights unless they can pass an ideological test?  Or perhaps you would prefer that there be no voting and we just have a dictator like obama wants to be?

          • Evil Otto

            Hey, Ripper loves freedom… Until someone disagrees with him.

          • Evil Otto

            Of course, YOU don’t vote the way the “corporatocracy” (really?) has “indoctrinated” you to vote. No, just your opponents, people who dare to disagree with your cookie-cutter leftist views do. You’re not a corporate slave, man. Your political views have been carefully reasoned-out. Am I right?

            Arrogant, elitist idiot.

          • Owen007

            And who decides who the “corporatocracy” is? Lemme guess, the guy that can’t spell worth a damn.

    • Owen007

      “Heros?” “Warrier?” You’re making spelling mistakes a first-grader knows not to make, and yet you want to lecture? Of course, you also demonstrate a fundamental lack of coherent thought or how to use anything even remotely resembling proper punctuation.

      Just to be clear, there isn’t like a one minute limit for how long you have to add a comment. You have the time to actually think it through and based on your post, you could use all the time you can get. Now, granted, what you ultimately come up with might still be garbage you blindly parroted from someone else without giving thought to anything resembling actual facts, but there’s a chance it will at least look like it was written by someone that has been within five miles of a school. Perhaps a slim chance, but a chance nonetheless.

    • rippercat

      To summarize this (whizbang) part of the test:

      I defended Chris Hayes as I have on other blogs. Offered several points for comment.

      There were no responses that were not personal attacks or dismissal of the issues based on spelling errors in the text.

      There were no counter claims.

      Conclusion:  Whizbang is not worth commenting on.

      • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

        Buh bye.  Don’t let the door hit you in the ass on your way out.

  • KenWD

    I think I’ll pass on the rest of this conversation.  Memorial day should not be this complicated.  

  • Sky__Captain

    This article and accompanying photograph puts the lie to the likes of Chris Hayes, TychSD, Bruce Henryand their ilk:
    http://atwar.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/05/25/as-memorial-day-nears-a-single-image-that-continues-to-haunt/

    Those that serve in the armed forces of the United States are a special breed. A breed that libtard trolls cannot hope to understand. I thank God that we have men and women of that special character to serve our country.

    May God bless us all, but especially our military personnel.

    Thank you for your service.

    • Walter_Cronanty

       I just finished reading that article and was thinking of posting here.  Well worth the read, and the photograph is ….. well, I won’t spoil it for others.

  • herddog505

    I can understand some reluctance to OVERUSE the word “hero”, but this takes it too far. A very brief acquaintance with our military history SHOULD fill one with nothing but awe and gratitude, and a thorough understanding of what a hero is.

    What a wanker.

  • Granola Gaye

    This is an example of MSNBC “leaning forward”.   Well Chris Hayes, lean forward and go “F” yourself. Go and celebrate a real hero like Sandra Fluke.

    • Alohajonny

      Or the Occutards 

  • jim_m

    I like this response from the VFW

    “If Mr. Hayes feels uncomfortable, I suggest he enlist, go to war, then
    come home to what he expects is a grateful nation but encounters the
    opposite. It’s far too easy to cast stones from inexperience,” Veterans
    of Foreign Wars spokesman Joe Davis

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Dennis-Brewer/100000984247266 Dennis Brewer

    Not all Democrats are liberal?

    Get one to denounce this guy.  They’re all dims because they’ll all take the country down for their politics.

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  • ackwired

    I certainly was not a hero for having served in the military.  I met some heroes, and I am uncomfortable calling everyone with whom I served a “hero” because I feel that it lowers the standard and makes the term less meaningful.  This is an unfair slight to those real heroes.  I did not become a hero because I put on a uniform.  But some who put on uniforms became heroes by their actions of selflessness.  Not all who died in the military were heroes.  Some were and they deserve a special place in our heart.  Some were cowards, and some were stupid, and some were just unlucky.  They all deserve to be remembered and honored.  Memorial Day is aptly named. 

    • jim_m

       But to deny all the honor of being called a hero because some may not deserve it fully is (to be kind) churlish.  It is simply the left’s obsession with pointing out the flaws in America and NEVER pointing out what makes America great. 

      On Memorial Day, Hayes decided it was overwhelmingly necessary to point out not just the flaws in America, but the flaws in those who dedicate their lives to serving this nation.  It just shows that for the left ideology overrides whatever sense of decency they have.

      • ackwired

        I may seem churlish to you.  That is OK.  It’s America and we disagree.  To me heroism will always be an individual thing, and I will reserve the term for those who truly earn it.  As I said, they all deserve to be remembered and honored.  But I can assure that there were some that I served with that did not deserve to be called hero.  They may have ultimately performed an heroic act, at which point I would gladly so honor them. 

        • jim_m

           By Churlish I was referring to Hayes.  Your comment was balanced and thoughtful rather than the knee jerk ideological BS that Hayes spewed. 

          • TycheSD

            Then, you didn’t listen to the entirety what Hayes said because it wasn’t “knee jerk” anything.

          • jim_m

            Hayes was decrying the idea that we are 1) glorifying war, and 2) calling fallen soldiers heroes. 

            As to #1 he was wrong because it is not war that is glorified and as to #2, even ackwired acknowledges that the soldier who dies in the act of serving his country is a hero and has made a sacrifice worth honoring even if that person may have otherwise been a flawed individual.

          • ackwired

            Thanks, Jim.

        • herddog505

          ackwired[H]eroism will always be an individual thing, and I will reserve the term for those who truly earn it.  As I said, they all deserve to be remembered and honored. 

          A very reasonable view.

          • ackwired

            Thanks.

    • Vagabond661

      I think you missed the point ack. To face gunfire from enemy combatents is pretty heroic. Same for firemen and policeman. Or anyone who puts themselves in harm’s way to protect others and/or the country they love. There are many definitions of a hero. Here is one: “a person of distinguished courage or ability, admired for his brave deeds and noble qualities”. To those men and women who laid down their life just so Hayes can waffle on the word “hero”, yes they are heroic. We will remember them that way even if people like Hayes can’t.

      • ackwired

        I think I saw the point and disagreed with it.  Heroism is an individual act of selflessness.  To me, just putting on a uniform does not qualify.  But I will defend your right to believe that it does.

        • Vagabond661

          then you missed my point. I never said putting on a uniform is heroic. I said giving your life for others is heroic.

          • ackwired

            Sorry.  I thought you were saying that I missed the point of the main post.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/ZULHMR3FUA6ZC65AVOYTYOSHRY Leigh

    I think being a soldier requires absolute bravery and I give them my utmost respect for what they do. Yet I fully support Chris Hayes comments which, at the core, question the glorification of war. This is not a liberal or conservative issue. This is a HUMAN issue. War is insidious horrible thing, and we should absolutely be questioning our language around it. I think we can ALL agree that life would be better if the world needed no soldiers.

    • Granola Gaye

      How asinine.  Memorial Day is not intended to “glorify war”.  It’s to honor brave men and women who have lost their lives so that cowards like Chris Hayes can spew nonsense and get invited to cocktail parties with other “intellectuals”. 

    • herddog505

      But until the happy day comes that it doesn’t, I’m pretty grateful that we’ve got them, and that they are (in general) as tough, brave and skillful as they are.

      And a special note about reservists and National Guardsmen, who spend most of their time behind a desk or workbench or in a classroom but still bring it and bringa it good when the time comes.

  • jim_m

    life would be better if the world needed no soldiers

    As soon as you figure out how to change human nature you just let us know.  Until then war is and will be necessary, whether you like it or not. 

    War is terrible.  You are so blinded by your ideology that you confuse the fact that we are not glorifying war, but we are glorifying the people who willingly give of themselves to protect this country and this country’s interests.  If you dislike the reasons we go to war it is not the fault of the military, it is the fault of the politicians.  But you are too ignorant to figure that out so you take out your ignorance on those who serve. Shame on you.

  • Alohajonny

    My God I am sitting here with tears in my eyes thinking about 40 or so brothers that are not here anymore, and this little occutard say’s this?  We’ll it is the ways liberals really think. Vietnam Vets know this all to well.  I would really like to meet this guy..

    • http://www.rustedsky.net JLawson

      They’re no longer bothering to keep the mask on.  What we’re seeing is what was always there – they just hid it under an acceptable facade.

  • Meiji_man

    Well if it means anything some of us have a hard time calling you an American. 

    • jim_m

       AMEN!

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  • greatj

    This type of comment can only be on M.S.N.B.C. who takes their orders from Obama and the Democratic party.Hayes and the rest of M.S.N.B.C. are so so hateful and disgraceful.They will say and do anything to get Obama reelected.

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  • http://www.blrag.com/ skinnydipinacid

    Hey Chris, the Army called… they want their government issued eyeglasses back.

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  • amysterling

    Warner, great job. I could not believe this when I saw it. It turned my stomach to watch the clip. On this day, of all days, this guy thinks this type of commentary is appropriate or wanted by anybody? I can’t do enough to thank our Vets for all they have done and for the many who have fallen. Everything I can do, I will do and always have them in my thoughts and prayers. I feel truly sorry for individuals like Chris Hayes. Maybe they think this way because it never crosses their mind to sacrifice anything, for anybody else. That’s a really sad, sorry way to live.

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  • TomInCali

    Did you people even listen to what he said, or even read the transcript that Huston himself provided? Hayes did NOT say the troops aren’t heroes. He said that he is uncomfortable with people throwing that word so casually around and using it to justify more war:

    I feel comfortable, ah, uncomfortable, about the word because it seems
    to me that it is so rhetorically proximate to justifications for more
    war. … But it seems to
    me that we marshal this word in a way that is problematic.

    The only mention he has of the troops is when he attributes to them “valor” and “genuine, tremendous heroism”.

    How you go from that to “liberals hate the troops” should give all of you whiplash.

    • jim_m

       There is no misunderstanding:

      it seems to me that it is so rhetorically proximate to justifications for more
      war.

      In other words he thinks that calling soldiers heroes is glorifying war.  But we have stated over and over again that it does not glorify the war, it glorifies the soldier.  So much for the leftist BS that they support the troops but not the war.  They never supported the troops.  In fact by this very statement Hayes declares that to support the troops is de facto support of the war, which is exactly what everyone understood from the beginning.  I will give Hayes points for honesty (or at least a Kinsleyism).

      But it seems to me that we marshal this word in a way that is problematic.

      So the cure is that if some soldiers may not have the purity of character that we see in the comic books, we should ensure that none of them are called heroes.  Sorry if I find this line of reasoning to be a bunch of crap.  It is perfectly accurate to classify people who act heroically (and in the context of Memorial day who give their lives heroically for the sake of their country) as heroes regardless of their personal character deficiencies.  To refuse to do so reveals an ugliness of spirit and contempt for your fellow man.

      Then again, we already knew that the left has nothing but contempt for their fellow man so this is nothing new.

  • 914

    “MSNBC Liberal Chris Hayes ‘Uncomfortable’ Calling Our Troops ‘Heroes’”

    What a coincidence?  Barak has the same problem discussing the Economy..

  • Reader11722

    The US gov’t does not care what you call them as long as they keep dying in endless wars for Israel, it all started a decade ago after a false flag attack.
    9/11, US and Israel:

    http://www.amazon.com/America-Deceived-II-Possession-interrogation/dp/1450257437

    • jim_m

       Well, at least Hayes has the troothers on his side. 

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  • Don Johnson

    Soldiers are heroes? Batman is a hero, soldiers are employees.

    • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

      Politicians are employees. Soldiers are heros, and Don Johsnon is a schmuck unworthy to wipe the boots of our soldiers.

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