Was Trayvon Martin high on a concoction called “Lean” the night he was killed?

May 27, 2012 | Filed under Trayvon Martin | Posted by

Bob Owens is raising the possibility:

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I had never heard of “lean” before yesterday, but apparently it is a concoction made from certain prescription cough syrups and a beverage medium, often made more palatable with candy.

One of the recipes for “lean” calls for using Arizona Iced Tea Co.watermelon fruit juice cocktail as the beverage of choice, and Skittles candy… the items found on Trayvon Martin’s body the night he was shot by George Zimmerman.

The Conservative Treehouse has a lengthy post about the recreational drug, it’s effects and side effects, and alleged screen captures of Trayvon Martin’s social media sites discussing his fondness for the concoction.

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If the story is correct it seems Trayvon’s medical records and the medical examiner’s review of his body will be revisited, to see if he used the drug frequently and in a concentrated enough form to explain his apparent confusion at the convenience store that night, the odd behavior that spurred George Zimmerman to call Sanford police, and the aggression he displayed when he fought with Zimmerman.

I read this to my wife and youngest son and their reaction was that this is a stretch.  And perhap it is.  Especially if you’d never heard of ‘Lean’ and if you don’t read the details of the post put up at The Conservative Treehouse.

If those details are true however, and frankly, they’re pretty convincing, then there’s yet more evidence that Zimmerman needs to be exonerated.

Read the details yourself and tell us in the comments if you think it’s a stretch.

Frankly, after doing so, I can only conclude it’s a stretch to think it a stretch.

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  • Commander_Chico

    In the end, if Zimmerman had stayed in his car and not stalked Martin on foot, as the police asked him, none of this would have happened.

    • jim_m

       Point of fact:  When the police asked him to stop he did.  Martin has a record of violence and appears to have confronted Zimmerman.  We now have eyewitnesses saying that they saw Martin on top of Zimmerman. 

      You might as well have said “If Martin had not confronted ZImmerman he would still be alive”.  Sorry if Martin is not your poster boy for angelic inner city youth,  It appears that he was just another thug wanna be

      • Commander_Chico

        Bullshit, Zim was on foot following Martin.  Yeah, Martin probably objected to some creepy skinner type following him around.

        • McGehee

          Obviously you stopped paying attention to the facts in the case as soon as you’d jumped to your preferred conclusion.

        • jim_m

           Yes he was following Martin.  He called the police.  They told him to stop.  He did.  Martin confronted him.  Martin attacked him.  He shot and killed Martin. 

          • Commander_Chico

            There is a considerable distance from where he reported being when he called 911 and where he reported Martin as being, and where the confrontation happened.

            You can even hear him panting on the 911 call as he’s following Martin.

          • Commander_Chico

            Map here – “A” is Zim’s first reported location on his 911, “B” is where the 911 call about the shots were reported, and the hand-written “C” between the houses is where the homicide took place.

          • EricSteel

            Chico, it does not matter that Zimmerman got out of his truck and followed Trayvon Martin. It is perfectly legal to do so. There is nothing provocative about that action. It seems that the narrative now is to find a way to justify Trayvon Martin throwing the first punch.

            This is the specific Florida law in question.
            776.041 Use of force by aggressor.—The justification described in the preceding sections of this chapter is not available to a person who:
            (1) Is attempting to commit, committing, or escaping after the commission of, a forcible felony; or
            (2) Initially provokes the use of force against himself or herself, unless:
            (a) Such force is so great that the person reasonably believes that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm and that he or she has exhausted every reasonable means to escape such danger other than the use of force which is likely to cause death or great bodily harm to the assailant; or
            (b) In good faith, the person withdraws from physical contact with the assailant and indicates clearly to the assailant that he or she desires to withdraw and terminate the use of force, but the assailant continues or resumes the use of force.

            Getting out of his car and following Trayvon is neither a forcible felony, and is not sufficiently provocative to justify getting assaulted by Trayvon. Either way, when Trayvon Martin pinned Zimmerman to the ground and pounded his head into cement, Zimmerman met the requirements for section 2a. That is based on witness testimony and Zimmerman’s injuries. There is no evidence that Zimmerman did anything to provoke that use of force by Trayvon.

          • Commander_Chico

            [sound of crickets after confrontation by hard facts]

          • jim_m

            Neither of your points addressed what I said. Nothing of what I said addressed how far or where they were walking. It addressed the sequence of events. If you are going to try to refute that then go ahead. I simply wasn’t interested in taking a tour of the neighborhood.

          • Commander_Chico

            WTF?  Zim didn’t stop when the police advised him to, as you claim.  He followed him from “A” to “C.”

          • jim_m

            From the NYT (you know, that bastion of right wing propaganda):

            Zimmerman’s statement, as related by police,
            says he was following the boy but “he had lost sight of Trayvon and
            was returning to his truck to meet the police officer when he says he
            was attacked by Trayvon.”

            So according to the evidence we have Martin instigated the confrontation.

          • Commander_Chico

            Yeah, Zim would never make a self serving statement.  Give me a break.

          • jim_m

             You have evidence that contradicts this?  We are all waiting.

          • Commander_Chico

            Yeah, the map.

          • sandraswede

            Funny how Investigator Gilbreath didnt mention that in the stand at the bond hearing. In fact, he said they have ‘no evidence to contradict Zimmerman’s story and no idea who started the fight’. You should call him.

          • EricSteel

            “WTF? Zim didn’t stop when when the police advised him to, as you claim. He followed him from A to C.”

            Because it doesn’t matter. Following someone is not an aggressive or provocative act. Besides, in Zimmerman’s call when told not to follow Trayvon, Zimmerman says okay, the wind noise and panting dies down, he says he has loses sight of Trayvon and DeeDee said that Trayvon initiated the conversation, which sounds like Trayvon approached Zimmerman. Finally, Zimmerman’s keys and flashlight were found on the ground by the T intersection of the walkway, which indicates that he was walking back to his car and the fight progressed down the walkway.

          • Commander_Chico

             Following someone is not an aggressive or provocative act.
            What planet do you live on? 

          • EricSteel

            Tell you what, show me which law makes it so.

          • Commander_Chico

            Law?  Let me follow you, your wife or kids around and let’s see if you find it “aggressive and provocative.”

          • EricSteel

            So are you saying that was justification for Trayvon Martin getting in the first punch on Zimmerman?

          • 914

            Earth!!  How about you, Chickless?

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002159696824 Sugar Babet

             That isn’t supported by the 911 tape.  It was a disapatcher who said “Sir, we don’t need you to do that.” and Zimmerman replied.”OK.”

            Where is your proof that he continued following after that?

          • Guest

             Translation: “Reality no longer fits my bullshit made-up scenario therefore I’m going to ignore it.”

          • 914

            Yes! Projection license is granted in your case!

          • 914

            Gripeless,

            ” Translation: “Reality no longer fits my bullshit made-up scenario therefore I’m going to ignore it.”

            Further translation: Projection is a terrible thing to waste!!

            Happy trails bitch!!

          • ravenshrike

             There was a period of 2-3 minutes between the end of Z’s phone call and the end of M’s phone call, assuming his female not-girlfriend(Unlike the brazen lies distributed by Crump et al) is telling the truth. Z stops chasing M halfway through his phone call because he lost him. You can tell be the breathing pattern changes over the phone. Which means there was a period of about 5 min where Z had no frigging clue where M was and the site of the final confrontation was on the way back from where Z’s phone call ended and his truck. Given the distances involved, this means that M either hid or circled back around in order to confront Z.

          • EricSteel

            Actually the timeline is not that big.  http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-05-21/news/os-trayvon-sanford-police-timeline-20120521_1_special-prosecutor-angela-corey-timeline-investigator-chris-serino

            1913:36 – Dispatcher advises Zimmerman “Okay; we don’t need you to do that”

            1915:23 – Approximate time call with Zimmerman ends

            1916:43 – 911 call placed by (blacked out name) where Zimmerman is heard screaming for help

            1917:20 – Shot fired; screams from Zimmerman cease

          • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

            A better map (first linked to back on Second April) is here: http://www.wagist.com/2012/dan-linehan/evidence-that-trayvon-martin-doubled-back

            Odd that chica seems unaware of it…

          • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

            A better map (first linked to back on Second April) is here: http://www.wagist.com/2012/dan-linehan/evidence-that-trayvon-martin-doubled-back

            Odd that chica seems unaware of it…

    • EricSteel

      The police never asked Zimmerman to stay in his car. That is factually untrue, Chico you need to get this straight, because repeating it is nothing short of a lie. It also does not matter. There was nothing illegal or provocative about Zimmerman getting out of his car. He had every right to do so.

      BY, your logic using the same amount of evidence, if Trayvon Martin had continued home and not attacked George Zimmerman, none of this would have happened.

      If Zimmerman didn’t have a gun, would you be blaming George Zimmerman if Trayvon Martin had beaten him to death?

      • Guest

         The police dispatcher told Zim ” you don’t need to do that” when he told them he was going to stalk Martin and hunt him down like an animal..

        Well, at least the part in quotes is fact – the rest is just my opinion.

        “this graphic
        of unknown attribution, dealing with the possibility that Trayvon
        Martin was not only an illegal drug-user, but possibly a drug-dealer.  “

        Anyone who finds graphics produced by white power advocates as stimulating needs counseling.

        • EricSteel

          Grumpy. Everthing in your prevoius post is untrue and you know it to be untrue. That makes you a liar.

          • jim_m

             Grumpy is too busy trying to report us all to the obama thought police to pay attention to the truth.

          • LiberalNightmare

             Grumpy is too stupid to lie. He is merely parroting back what his betters have told him to think.

        • 914

          Stumped One:  

          “Anyone who finds graphics produced by white power advocates as stimulating needs counseling.”

          I hope you find the pitcher STAT!!!

    • McGehee

      If Neighborhood Watch people would just stay in their homes and not bother any strangers that happen to be walking in their neighborhoods, I’m sure everyone would be much safer.

      Until the strangers start burglarizing houses, that is.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WYVLG7IQ5LN55DGCSGJI4OG334 Doc

      What is the role of Neighborhood Watch, and what do they do?
      Why was Martin inside a gated community, and what/why is a gated community?

    • Northwestnative

       What else would have happened?

    • LiberalNightmare

       I suppose you could say the same thing about Trayvon – had he stayed home that night, he wouldn’t be a prop in commander_chicos liberal race war theme.

    • herddog505

      “She was ASKING for it! Look at how she was dressed! They’re all asking for it, all the time!”

      Sounds familiar, eh?

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1842467062 Scoots Knuck

      He left his vehicle, oh my! The hidden subtext could be construed as the following… In modern America, a prudent citizen should know to remain in their vehicle, doors locked, windows up, when there are young black males known to be in the vicinity. What does this say about our society? Are we living in a self drive Safari Park? If we get out of our vehicles we deserve what we get and shouldn’t blame the animals, much less shoot them in self defense? People are foaming at the mouth calling Zimmerman a racist while at the same time saying he’s at fault for not following the rules on the Safari Park safety brochure

    • Wild_Willie

      Point of fact, a dispatcher has no authority to order citizens to do anythings.

      Second point, neighborhood watch programs are there to watch. That is what he was doing. ww

      • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

        None of this would have happened if Martin had stayed in the condo of his father’s mistress.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/AZUR6DP3UOFDMAJQI5O5BZCVAQ yahoo-AZUR6DP3UOFDMAJQI5O5BZCVAQ

    Why the obsession with Trayvon Martin? He is dead, just let him rest already. I am a black conservative and I am just sick of how the conservative blogosphere is intent on defaming his character. Why? If it was a white kid killed by a black vigilante would you all have been so intent on demonizing the victim? I dislike the politics of Sharpton and Jackson as much as any right thinking person but the way the right blogosphere reflexively takes sides against a black murder victim makes me understand why black people in general are reluctant to call themselves republican, even though they agree with the party on most matters of principle. If you all had planned to drive away the black community from the conservative fold you could not have done a better job.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002942153351 Frederick Wigglesworth

      You’re an idiot, yahoo. Blacks agree with the party on most matters of principle, huh? Yeah, sure. And I’ve got ocean front property in Arizona to sell.

      Republicans have been pandering to blacks for decades. They’ve gone out of their way to ignore or even demonize their WASP base. Yet blacks still think they be raciss.

      You want Martin to rest already? You’re griping to the wrong crowd. This whole thing started and continues with the liberal, anti-white media making this a big deal in the first place. And yet you don’t think white conservatives should defend themselves and an innocent man in Zimmerman? Talk about misplaced priorities.

      The reality, yahoo, is that it is YOU who can’t put his race aside to view this controversy objectively. YOU are the racist, not the truth-seekers trying to defend Zimmerman from the gross defamation and injustice being leveled against him.

    • herddog505

      People would be happy to let Martin rest in peace if not for the fact that we have the additional tragedy of a man being railroaded for shooting him in apparent self-defense.

  • The_Weege_99

    It should be painfully obvious that Zimmerman never wanted a direct confrontation with Martin (per both neighborhood watch and CCW guidelines), since he had ample opportunity to do so when he first saw Martin, and then after Martin passed his truck. He simply observed and reported. So that the Police could confront Martin.

    But when Martin started moving beyond where he could see him, he followed to keep an eye on where Martin was going, so that he could report the location to police. Then he lost track of Martin, and started to return to his car.

    What happened between that point and the beating and gunshot is unknown, except for Zimmerman’s story.

    But there is no basis for assuming Zimmerman sought to confront Martin, because all his previous actions were about avoiding confrontation.

    • Commander_Chico

      Yeah, that’s why he was following Martin in an alley between houses and off the street.

      • 914

        ABO

      • 914

        “Yeah, that’s why he was following Martin in an alley between houses and off the street.”

        What was Martin doing in that  area that time of night??  Selling girl scout cookies??

      • The_Weege_99

        Because that was the direction he saw Martin go. By all the evidence (i.e. not your delusional fantasy) per GZ’s recorded words, he was trying to keep him in sight, so he could direct police to Martin, and that in doing so had lost sight of him.

        Following Martin is not a “threatening” move, especially when at a distance.

        Can you provide any evidence whatsoever that GZ initiated the confrontation with TM? Yeah, you cannot.

      • sandraswede

        Trayvon on had over 5 minutes to go 180 yards. Why didn’t he make it home? And if he was going south towards his dad’s house, how did he end up getting shot back up north closer to the truck?

  • Commander_Chico

    By the way, the original post by Rick was one of the most retarded things I’ve ever read here.  And that’s saying a lot.

    Skittles, and watermelon (I like that touch) punch?  And “prescription” cough medicine?   Zero evidence of the latter or course.

    But wow, a teenager drinking juice drinks and eating Skittles, let’s make something sinister out of that.

    Personally, I think Zim should only do a year or two for manslaughter or negligent homicide, just to deter wannabe creeps from following people around. But if he had to answer for the moral sins of his followers, life would not be enough.

    • 914

      You read retard like a pro

      • Sky__Captain

        Comrade_Chico writes retard exceptionally well, also.

        • 914

          Well, he try’s.. And I can’t fault him for that. 

          He could be a little more honest in his self eval though!

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002942153351 Frederick Wigglesworth

       Commander_Chico,Are you paid to troll this thread with this nonsense of yours or do you do it on your own time?

      • 914

        Both!!  He multitasks!!

    • EricSteel

      Except Chico, from the Trayvon’s Facebook page on June 27, 2011 he said:
      “is to roped and u can get the same vibe off lean”

      So obviously, he was willing to try “Lean”.  If Skittles and Arizona Watermelon Punch are two of the three ingredients and common Robitussin is the third, isn’t it possible that Brandy Green already had the third ingredient at her place? 

      None of it is definitive.  But it is a possibility.  TM tested positive for pot, was he tested for this stuff?  Is it relevant?  If not, then why not?

    • http://www.brutallyhonest.org Rick Rice

      Let’s get this straight Chico because it’s central… are you denying the existence and/or use of Lean by the street to get a buzz?  Are you stating that you don’t believe it?  Are you stating unequivocally that there’s no possibility that Skittles, this “watermelon punch” and cough medicine are combined by those on the street to get a cheap buzz?

      I’m curious…

      • 914

        Stop feeding the ugly Gnome!!  

  • herddog505

    Note the lefty double standard:

    Zimmerman is a racist bigot killer who “profiled” Martin allegedly based on what he looked like.

    Martin is justified in beating the hell out of Zimmerman based on what he looks like.

    Riiiiiight.

    • jim_m

       In the bizzaro world of the left Zimmerman is a cracker and Elizabeth Warren is a woman of color.

  • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

    Let’s talk about the map: (http://www.wagist.com/2012/dan-linehan/evidence-that-trayvon-martin-doubled-back)

    A.  Club House referred to in 911 Call of Zimmerman.

    B.  Community Mailboxes referred to in 911 Call of Zimmerman.

    C.  Spot in which Zimmerman parked his SUV and proceeded on foot.

    D.  Unit at which Martin was staying.

    E.  Point at which Zimmerman’s 911 call ended and from which he was returning to his SUV.

    F.  Locus of fatal encounter between Martin and Zimmerman.

    G.  Unit of eye witness “John” who called 911.

    Not labeled: T-footpath intersection where Zimmerman’s car keys were found by police (just North of “F”).

    Zimmerman’s testimony shows him losing sight of Martin between points C and E while proceeding to Point E where he told 911 operator he had lost sight and was returning to his vehicle.

    Presence of Zimmerman’s keys at the T intersection suggests the violence began there.

    Locus “F” is closer to direct path from point E back to point C than to point D (where Martin was staying).

  • http://www.facebook.com/SergeP96 Serge Anatolivich

    I would agree that Zimmerman did shoot the guy in “self-defense.” I still however believe that he should go to jail. When approached by TM. (Atleast that’s what it seems like) and TM asking him “why are you following me” (Claimed by GZ and confirmed by TMs female friend.) GZs first words should have been “I’m the neiborhood watchman.” It is absolutely crucial for an undercover cop to do so and I don’t see why it isn’t in this case. I was approached by undercovers a couple of times. I was smoking a cigarette outside of my grandmothers building. A cop approcahed me and the first thing he did was flash his badge. And then he tapped my pockets to check for weapons. Had he not identified himself, I would started to swing. Plain and simple.

    • http://www.facebook.com/pixelburner Nolan Butcher

      Zimmerman might be guilty of manslaughter, but not because he didn’t identify himself. Your little analogy is a logical fallacy… you mention that “a cop approached me”, then “tapped my pockets to check for weapons”. 

      There’s no evidence showing that Zimmerman touched Martin in any way, at least none that we know of at this point.

      • http://www.facebook.com/SergeP96 Serge Anatolivich

        Yeah except I never claimed that he did. He did however, reply; “what are you doing here? That question could easily be identified as threatining. Given the fact that Martin didn’t know who the hell this guy is, and for someone who studied criminal justice and went through some sort of preperation (the latter is a guess) as a neighborhood watchman should know such basics. That was his failure. If some random asshole came up to me and started asking me why I’m in a certain place and a certain spot/time without identifying his credentials for asking me these questions, I’d be very prepared to go into a fight.

        • http://www.facebook.com/pixelburner Nolan Butcher

          You didn’t claim that he did, but you used an analogy that either implied it, or it was a logical fallacy.

          I understand the point you’re trying to make. It’s entirely possible that Zimmerman somehow attacked or physically provoked Martin without cause. But if you start swinging at somebody asking you what you’re doing in a gated community, that’s assault and battery. You might “disagree” with that, and you might not like it…but that doesn’t matter. It’s the law, plain and simple. 

          So can you honestly say that Zimmerman deserved a beating for asking someone what they were doing in his neighborhood? And that he deserves to be charged with murder for defending his life after receiving said beating?

          • http://www.facebook.com/SergeP96 Serge Anatolivich

              No in this case I was just talking about personal experience…
              No I don’t think GZ deserved to get assaulted for asking a question. Nor do I think TM deserved to be killed. It doesn’t even matter if he was looking to make a drink to get high or not. Quite honestly, I think thats completely irrelevant. Just as I think GZs marriage/restraining orders are irrelevant. Etc… Personally, I think the whole thing was simply a huge misunderstanding with both men assuming the absolute worst possible scenario.
              Having said that, I’m pretty sure it’s also the law for a plain clothed law inforcement agent to identify himself. I’m not however sure if there is such a law in Fla (It is in NY) or that it applies to a neighborhood watchman. It is, however, a “logical fallacy” as you put it on GZs side. He knows that the guy has no clue on who he is. He should of identified himself!  If that would of been the case and TM still took a swing at him. By all means, shoot the guy.

          • http://www.facebook.com/pixelburner Nolan Butcher

            I did not commit a logical fallacy, in that I only stated fact. I did not make up a story with the intention of benefitting my point of view. This is basic English composition.. I didn’t mean it as an insult.

            George was not an officer of the law. He was not employed by the government. He had no obligation to identify himself (yes, I DID look up the law to be sure). That being said, IF George had the opportunity to be more tactful, then by all means he probably should have identified himself. That may or may not have prevented the situation.. unfortunately we’ll never know for sure. 

            And yes.. I think there’s some truth to your statement that it was a huge misunderstanding. I have a 15 year old son myself, and I can’t even imagine what kind of pain that Trayvon’s parents are in right now. But while I feel for the family, I’m absolutely disgusted that an American citizen has been railroaded by the media with misleading information and blatant lies.

          • http://www.facebook.com/pixelburner Nolan Butcher

            I did not commit a logical fallacy, in that I only stated fact. I did not make up a story with the intention of benefitting my point of view. This is basic English composition.. I didn’t mean it as an insult.

            George was not an officer of the law. He was not employed by the government. He had no obligation to identify himself (yes, I DID look up the law to be sure). That being said, IF George had the opportunity to be more tactful, then by all means he probably should have identified himself. That may or may not have prevented the situation.. unfortunately we’ll never know for sure. 

            And yes.. I think there’s some truth to your statement that it was a huge misunderstanding. I have a 15 year old son myself, and I can’t even imagine what kind of pain that Trayvon’s parents are in right now. But while I feel for the family, I’m absolutely disgusted that an American citizen has been railroaded by the media with misleading information and blatant lies.

          • http://www.facebook.com/SergeP96 Serge Anatolivich

                Well for starters, I never accused you of failing in logic. Just misunderstanding what I was getting at. Thats not a failure. Infact there are studies on these type of things and these little misunderstandings are pretty much part of our everyday life…
                One person I am accusing of failing logically would be George Zimmerman. I do however retract my statement as far as him going to jail. The reason is; the information you provided regarding who the law applies to. Basically, I stand corrected!
               Oh and I fully agree with you on the media part. Regardless of the outcome of the current proceedings; I think GZ should have quite a few lawsuites aligned himself! Starting with NBC, followed by Spike Lee and then the rest of the clowns that were pouring kerosine on fire! 
              Thank you for a reasonable conversation! That is something that I find very difficult to find regarding this particular subject!
             

          • http://www.facebook.com/SergeP96 Serge Anatolivich

            Furthermore, I would also like to add that you should look at how our conversation started as an example. You made an assumption based on what I said and it’s perfectly valid. I didn’t make it clear on what I meant when mentioning my incident with a cop. I can’t hold you responsible for making this judgement call because it’s completely open to interpretation. Going by GZs account of the night in question. When he reached for his cell phone, Travon punched him. If we assume it’s true then we could also make a sound judgement that it’s very likely that TM saw a gun and decided to take control of the situation. That would be the reason why GZ needed to identify first!

        • http://opinion.ak4mc.us/ McGehee

          He did however, reply; “what are you doing here? That question could easily be identified as threatining.

          Where do you go that people ask you what you’re doing there in a “threatening” manner? You might want to try not going those places.

          • http://www.facebook.com/SergeP96 Serge Anatolivich

            I grew up in a poor neighborhood! Believe it or not but, that is one way people start when they want to pick a fight with you!

    • http://opinion.ak4mc.us/ McGehee

      When approached by TM. (Atleast that’s what it seems like) and TM asking
      him “why are you following me” (Claimed by GZ and confirmed by TMs
      female friend.) GZs first words should have been “I’m the neiborhood
      watchman.” It is absolutely crucial for an undercover cop to do so and I
      don’t see why it isn’t in this case.

      Um, undercover cops are NOT required to tell you they’re cops just because you ask them. Some stoner told you that, right?

      • http://www.facebook.com/SergeP96 Serge Anatolivich

        Not sure if you read the rest of my comment but, that is the law in NY atleast. Probably in Fla aswell because it makes sense. Infact, that was one of the main things that was investigated during Sean Bells trial. Before making “smart” remarks, you should first make sure if you have a clue to begin with.

  • http://twitter.com/Elyse56 Elyse

    Oh yes I think the Volusia County ME will want to know about this right away!  But how do you get from an unopened can of iced tea to “high on ‘lean’”?  Was the stepbrother in on the plot?  Maybe both of them were actually selling the “Lean” out the window of the fiancee’s townhouse?  That had to have been it.  I saw a show one time that had kids actually smoking Smartees candy, like a cigarette!  I swear kids these days. 

    • http://www.facebook.com/pixelburner Nolan Butcher

      You get to that point by reading the articles posted in the story. I realize they’re lengthy, but sometimes it takes a little work to prevent derping.

      • http://twitter.com/Elyse56 Elyse

        Thanks for the tip, dude but I think I’ll stick with the statement made by the officer who took the unopened can out of the front center pocket so he could get to the hole in Trayvon’s chest to do CPR on it and the photo of that can resting on top of his body.  By the way, THC can linger in your system for weeks and by the way the only psychoactive ingredient in over-the-counter cough medicine is dextromethorphan.  If you drink 6-8 oz of something like Robitussin you will get a hallucinogen-like effect but the cough medicine is so disgusting people sometimes recommend ways you can consume that without puking, not that any of this matters to the case against Zimmerman.

        That dextromethorphan will show up on routine toxicology so I’m afraid your theory goes bust rather quickly.  I’m just waiting until George’s numerous bullshit stories hang his ass to dry out in public.  I must say I really got a kick out of that bandage he fashioned for himself to wear to the Sanford Police Dept on Feb 29.  It’s that kind of thing that brand your boy as d-u-m-b and no the doctor didn’t apply that thing to his head. 

        • http://twitter.com/Elyse56 Elyse

          OK Just read one of those lengthy articles until I fell asleep from all the repetition of the same information in which there is no “there” but I would like to request you all to please solve the JonBenet Ramsey murder because that one really bothers me.  Thanks in advance.

        • http://www.facebook.com/pixelburner Nolan Butcher

          Nobody has said definitively that Trayvon was intoxicated. The articles are merely pointing out that a) Trayvon isn’t the little innocent angel that many are insisting he is, and b) it is probable that Trayvon might have been in an aggressive state of mind at the time of the altercation. You might have also realized that if you actually read them.

          And no, DXM will NOT show up on a toxicology report, as it is not an illegal drug and is not tested for. So I’m afraid your theory goes bust even more quickly ;)

          As for the bandage… you do realize that that video was taken 3 days after the shooting, right? Do you not even consider a shred of a chance that it’s possible that Zimmerman changed the bandage himself because he was supposed to? 

          It’s obvious from your statements that you’re 100% positive that George is lying, and he should be locked away forever (if not hanged) despite any evidence that supports his story. 

          • http://twitter.com/Elyse56 Elyse

            How is the person below speculating but you stating there is anything remotely probable that TM was in an aggressive state of mind?  From the account given by his girlfriend he was concerned and scared. Wouldn’t you be?

            I work in healthcare, am familiar w/ tox screens.  I’m sorry but YOU are wrong.  The head dressing was something that George came up with.  Neither the paramedics or the doctor he saw the next day put that on his head because they would’ve been laughed out of town.  He had two cuts, 1 of them was 3/4″ long, the other 1/4″ with approximated skin edges. The hat dressing was put there for effect, nothing more.  I seriously doubt he had a broken nose, either.  The doctor made that diagnosis based on symptoms of pain and tenderness.  He didn’t even X-ray the nose to make the diagnosis and stated his nasal septum was undeviated.  Where are these vaunted black eyes?  Many of the pictures don’t show any evidence of that.  The others are probably shadows.  That one black and white pic that looks like a bad xerox  of a photograph seems to be your favorite — why?  Because it’s a great bit of theatre, that is all.

            Anyway, George’s own lawyer has admitted his client made contradictory statements (aka he lied) so not sure why you want to make him sound like a choir boy.  His problem is he didn’t know Trayvon was talking to his girlfriend during key time periods and that he said too much in his statements, leaving lots of dots that don’t connect.

          • http://www.facebook.com/pixelburner Nolan Butcher

            Every bit of research I’ve done indicates that generally, a tox screen covers a series of illegal drugs that includes weed, heroin, meth, coke, etc. I’ve never heard of a tox screen looking for Robitussin DM. 

            However, if you’re in healthcare and have access to some obscure information that nobody in the “general public” is aware of, then I have no choice but to take your word for it.

            As for your charge with me being hypocritical, there’s a difference in pointing out an article stating a series of facts that point to the possibility of Trayvon’s state of mind, and making statements that define a conclusion based on subjective information.

            Finally, one argument I hear a lot of is regarding the contradictory statements. First of all, we don’t know what those contradictions are. Second, it’s very common for people in stressful situations to be confused of the order and detail of preceding events. This happens all the time to police officers and military personnel who’ve just been in a traumatic situation.

            To be clear… I’m not saying that Zimmerman is without a doubt telling the truth. But the burden of proof lies with the prosecution. And frankly, from what I’ve seen so far, I can’t see how anybody can question his credibility so far. Just saying that he’s probably lying doesn’t make a person dishonest.

            I think we can both agree that this was a tragic event, and the Martin family is undoubtedly in a lot of pain right now. But that doesn’t mean that we can just railroad a guy into prison for life just because we “think” his actions were unjustified without seeing all of the evidence.

          • http://www.facebook.com/pixelburner Nolan Butcher

            BTW, in case you’re wondering what my sources are for the toxicology question, this is one:

            http://www.justice.gov/ndic/pubs11/11563/index.htm

            That is the National Drug Intelligence Center’s website. Look for the following quote:

            “DXM abuse levels are difficult to determine. Commonly used drug toxicology screens and field tests do not accurately detect the presence of DXM”

  • Louie Arrighi

    George Zimmerman left his vehicle, oh my!
    The hidden subtext could be construed as the following… In modern America, a prudent citizen should know to remain in their vehicle, doors locked, windows up, when there are young black males known to be in the vicinity.
    What does this say about our society?
    Are we living in a drive through Safari Park?
    If we get out of our vehicles we deserve what we get and shouldn’t blame the animals, much less shoot them in self-defense?
    People like you are foaming at the mouth calling George Zimmerman a racist while at the same time saying he’s at fault for not following the rules on the Safari Park safety brochure.

    • http://twitter.com/Elyse56 Elyse

      Most people don’t leave their vehicle when they believe a suspicious character is circling their truck and they certainly don’t go off on foot to track them down.  It’s common sense.  But George had a gun and wasn’t going to let this “one”(punk,c***, asshole pick one) get away.  

      • http://www.facebook.com/pixelburner Nolan Butcher

        I think people forget (or deny) that there had been a series of burglaries in the neighborhood leading up to this tragedy. It even happened to a neighbor of Zimmerman (a woman) who was home when two people tried to break in. She was terrified, and George was extremely empathetic. 

        My point is.. how can you blame somebody for being vigilant in trying to protect their home and neighborhood? Maybe he was a little frustrated as well…he’s only human.

        That being said, I can agree with the possibility that an element of negligence may have come into play that night. If so, that would be a possible manslaughter charge. But it’s utterly ridiculous to say that George killed Martin “with malice and with a depraved mind”. The prosecution will need to prove that George profiled and followed Martin WITH THE INTENTION OF KILLING HIM. I’m not going to be naive and say that it’s impossible, but I will venture to say that it’s very improbable. 

        • http://twitter.com/Elyse56 Elyse

          I don’t think he followed him with the intention of killing him.  I wouldn’t claim he did it because of his race, either but he did profile him as a criminal when he wasn’t. I think he probably intended on detaining Trayvon and drew his weapon. After that I don’t think anyone knows for sure. Because he didn’t talk to him first he must’ve thought he was running out the back instead of back to where he was staying with his dad. 

          • http://www.facebook.com/pixelburner Nolan Butcher

            “I think he probably intended on detaining Trayvon and drew his weapon.”
            Probably? Really? What evidence even suggests that? I can see “Maybe”.. that is a little more realistic. But not “Probably”.

            As for the profiling as a criminal…I agree. But that is not illegal, and I’d say it might have been reasonable considering the recent burglaries by others fitting the description. 

          • http://twitter.com/Elyse56 Elyse

            That’s my opinion based on the totality of the events, which I readily admit so in that sense is no more or less valid a speculation than that he was high on dxm.  We don;t know yet. I don’t believe Trayvon was ever aggressive.  If he was it was probably out of panic.  Hopefully we’ll get some more evidence made public or get the trial going fairly quickly.  

          • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

            Be sure not to let the door hit you in the ass on your way out.

          • http://twitter.com/Elyse56 Elyse

            I see there are some language police here so Rodney, the timing of your less than Complimentary Close  is vapid and lacking in ‘nad stature. 

          • Guest

             Wodney is the blog troll. He lives under the bridge and throws stones at all the smart people.

            Consider his snarking an honor — he only acts childishly to the people who are smarter than him. Everyone else already knows he’s an idiot.

          • http://twitter.com/Elyse56 Elyse

            Thanks for the heads-up, Grumpy!

          • http://www.facebook.com/pixelburner Nolan Butcher

            You don’t believe Trayvon, who was an active participant in MMA style fight clubs and a fervent fan of MMA fighting was ever aggressive. Ok…whatever.

            Something tells me that a trial really won’t matter to a large percentage of people that are convinced of Zimmerman’s guilt…

            But to each his/her own, I suppose…

          • http://twitter.com/Elyse56 Elyse

            I’m not going to blindly accept all the stuff I read about only on these blogs.  

          • http://www.facebook.com/pixelburner Nolan Butcher

            I don’t blame you for not accepting the opinions of others. However, you’re also obviously not accepting the factual evidence.

            You imply that Zimmerman wasn’t injured. You imply that Trayvon would never start a fight. You imply that Zimmerman pulled a gun on Martin, provoking Martin into a fight. Even though there is no evidence that comes close to supporting your claims. Furthermore, what evidence there is tends to contradict your statements.

            I’d have to agree that Martin being high on DXM might be pulling at straws. But to imply that he’s an innocent little angel who wouldn’t hurt a fly is just plain ignorant.

            I don’t know what your agenda is… but a “fair and balanced trial” apparently isn’t it.

             

          • http://twitter.com/Elyse56 Elyse

             I’m certain that TM can be aggressive.  It’s just that – that night what the girlfriend described and what he said to her on the phone makes it sound like he wanted to avoid GZ.  Sure she could have made that up, but why?

            I know there are some injuries, too.  Whether they are consistent with what   he says occurred will probably be addressed by dueling medical experts.Everyone here is speculating to a certain extent because we still don’t have all the facts. If my impressions turn out to be wrong so be it.  I really don’t have an  agenda nor do I want to see an innocent man go to prison. Zimmerman’s lawyer said only about half of it has been released so far.  

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jesse-Jones/100000388904610 Jesse Jones

            If he drew his weapon, why would he let Martin break his nose, blacken both his eyes and pound his head into the sidewalk before he shot him?

          • http://twitter.com/Elyse56 Elyse

            I guess you didn’t read my comment to Nolan re: the injuries he supposedly sustained.  Suffice it to say that when this goes to trial the doctor who rubber stamped George’s story will be grilled right crispy on the stand.

            Unfortunately most of the news outlets are only too happy to say what you did because they are craven money-sucking moral degenerates.  You could take a close look at the pictures taken by SPD that night  to get an idea.  That type of injury isn’t timed-release.

  • RandyEQ

    Why is anybody still believing the B.S. story that GZ is telling that TM attacked him. GZ father is very specific that TM attacked GZ at the “T” where the 2 cut thru paths meet. And it is obvious from where TM body is found that the struggle took place 30 feet away. Ear witnesses heard 2 men arguing loudly with the voices moving closer. So, there is obviously no surprise blitz attack going on. The police want to meet with GZ at the clubhouse near his vehicle, but according to his Dad and lawyer Uhlrig he walks all the way east (further away from his vehicle) to the other street to get an address. He’s obviously still looking for TM, which means he’s still following.

    • http://www.facebook.com/pixelburner Nolan Butcher

      Here’s the thing… 

      You’re speculating. A lot. Almost to the point of your post being a logical fallacy.

      However, I’ll answer your initial question: Why is anybody still believing the “B.S.” story… because there is no evidence contradicting the “B.S.” story.

      Also, I believe that it’s probable that Zimmerman was trying to regain visual contact with Martin. I also believe that in doing so, he was surprised by Martin, who would have intersected Zimmerman’s path back to his vehicle after getting an address.

      That being said, what is so wrong with Zimmerman trying to regain eye contact with Martin? And how in seven hells is doing so considered “following”?

      • herddog505

        Nolan Butcher – Why is anybody still believing the “B.S.” story… because there is no evidence contradicting the “B.S.” story.

        Exactly.

        I ponder how far the left has come from the early days of this mess when “the evidence” was that Martin, a small, studious twelve year-old boy, had called 9-11 right before being shot twice execution style by the Jew George Zimmerman.  Now, they are reduced to “Zimmerman’s story is BS” simply because it MUST be, and that this whole thing is Zimmerman’s fault because he (gasp!) got out of his truck.

        The term is “reasonable doubt”, not “reasonable suspicion”.

    • http://opinion.ak4mc.us/ McGehee

      I’ve been blitz attacked a time or two. Covering 30 feet while trying to get away is no big deal at all, especially if the attacker is doing his best to get me on the ground so he can bash my head on the pavement.

  • john houston

    From what I know so far, if George is a racist, 99% of Americans will be racists.Why, he never mentioned race unless being asked and he even protested for people of different race. Ask yourself, have you ever protested on behalf of people of different race? I know, I have not.

    • Guest

       Yeah, he just kills them when they dare walk through his neighborhood.

  • 914

    “Was Trayvon Martin high on a concoction called “Lean” the night he was killed?”

    Nope!! Think it was straight old Maryjane!!

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  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Elizabeth-Faraone/100000185676545 Elizabeth Faraone

    Here is what a friend of Trayvon, Crystal Smith, has to say about him:

    Since everyone is talking about Trayvon Martin, the kid who was shot due to his physical appearance, I’ll take a moment to talk about Tray, the kid I grew up with since we were toddlers, a person our friends and family loved to be around.

    Trayvon Martin isn’t just a case, Tray was a friend.

    To be someone who grew up with Tray, the news of his death was both shocking and heartbreaking. In my eyes, he was still the kid who I would pretend the little cookies we we’re given as a snack were delicious hand rings that we would eat nonstop; the same person I would play with for hours in the backyard with any other kids we encountered until our parents came to pick us up from the neighborhood babysitter. No one ever thought that this kind, innocent kid would be shot.

    The appalling news caught my entire family off guard with the sheer unbelief that Tray was gone. It was a wakeup call to my twin brother, our cousins and play cousins, of how fast things can happen to young kids like us. We are not invincible, and the realization hit hard.

    To others closest to Trayvon, his fellow classmates, friends and family the situation is one that will not go unnoticed. Walkouts have occurred in 15 schools across Miami-Dade County in protest of the killing.

    “He was well known and always a cool kid to be around,” said Christopher Smith, a Miami Carol City Senior high student who knew the teen from their childhood. “We walked out because he was more than just a friend to us, he was family.”

    The way the media has painted his image does not reflect who he really was, the person his family and friends knew personally, and the person who was shot and killed due to suspicions of bad activity. He was neither a thug nor a threat—Trayvon was my friend. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Elizabeth-Faraone/100000185676545 Elizabeth Faraone

    “Lean,” a  cocktail of cough syrup, cold medicine, alcohol and candy, was not found in Trayvon’s body.  There was NO alcohol content in Trayvon’s body.  There was only marijuana, which stays in the blood stream for several weeks.  The lengths that Zimmerman supporters go to is not surprising.  They are now saying that witnesses have been tampered with by the special prosecutor.

    There was no witness tampering by the special prosecutor – her investigators were simply competent.  Don’t forget that when the police in Sanford originally questioned people, they, and Zimmerman, told the witnesses what happened and so witnesses jumped to incorrect conclusions.  When questioned by investigators that simply wanted them to explain what, exactly, they saw, their stories appeared to change, and their stories do not support Zimmerman’s story.  The most important witness has not changed her story, and that is the witness who was on the phone with Trayvon.  Her remembrances of events completely contradict Zimmerman’s story.

    If just ONE witness saw Zimmerman hold the gun and threaten Trayvon and give him a chance to run away and Trayvon didn’t run, then THAT would raise doubt as to whether or not Zimmerman committed second degree murder.  There is no such witness.  It is obvious that Zimmerman committed second degree murder.  He shot him point blank in the chest as Trayvon pleaded with him.  Those screams were not Zimmerman’s.  They were Trayvon’s.  And there are witnesses that have testified to that.  There are no longer ANY witnesses that believe the screams were Zimmerman’s.  Do you see how competent investigation works?

    Proof that we are living in a country that seriously abuses and murders its black inhabitants is in the writing of this article and the comments of all of those people who support Zimmerman.  Zimmerman is clearly a violent and racist man.  Anyone who doubts this is really very sick.  But whoever claimed the US was a mentally sane country?  It is not and has never been.

    Hopefully, the conviction of Zimmerman will have a positive effect on the justice system and hopefully it will deter those who are violent and filled with hate from committing murder.

    The only good thing that has come out of the shooting of Trayvon is that Zimmerman will never become a part of law enforcement, which was his dream.  We don’t need any more ignorant and violent law enforcers.  We have too many already.  It would be nice if we had leadership in this country that would clean up the system of justice.

  • Heather_W_62

    “Hopefully, the conviction of Zimmerman will have a positive effect on the justice system and hopefully it will deter those who are violent and filled with hate from committing murder.”
    And if he’s not convicted, do you condone the violence, rioting and looting that will occur in the streets a la post-Rodney King and Oscar Grant? You do realize, I hope, that a 2nd degree murder charge is highly unlikely, but that the slavering masses and the media hype is ensuring that wide-spread violence is almost guaranteed. 

    Because that last part of what you wrote: “…deter those who are violent and filled with hated…” goes both ways.