“SOS will organize and execute operations designed to help elect Mitt Romney and to defeat Barack Hussein Obama”

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I think it’d be hard to find anyone who would not respect those belonging to the Special Operations community.  These are the cream of the warrior crop who lay everything on the line for the mission and who earn our respect by their courageous deeds.  

They’ve found a new mission:

Honorably discharged veterans of the Special Operations communities of all the Armed Services have organized an effort to elect Mitt Romney President of the United States.  This group, “Special Operations Speaks,” or “SOS,” will be structured along quasi-military lines, with an umbrella organization coordinating the efforts of several subordinate Service-unique specialties.  The Army will be represented by “Rangers Speak Out” and “Green Berets Speak Out;” the Navy by “SEALs Speak Out;” the Air Force by “Air Commandos Speak Out;” and the Marine Corps by “MARSOC Speaks out.”

SOS is configured as a “Super Political Action Committee” (Super PAC) that will enable it to exert maximum influence as an advocate for the election of Mitt Romney as President of the United States.  Subsequent to the 2012 campaign, SOS will continue to exert pressure on behalf of the Special Operations community.

Of particular interest to SOS is the urgency of maintaining the level of secrecy that has heretofore been a hallmark of Special Operations.  The recent leaking of highly classified information from the offices of the Commander-in-Chief himselfclearly indicates the need to protect sensitive information from the public (and enemy’s) eye.  SOS will educate the public and its representatives in the US Congress about this issue.

Until November 6, 2012, SOS will organize and execute operations designed to help elect Mitt Romney and to defeat Barack Hussein Obama.

The country will again be in their debt should that mission be successful.

Let us all hope that it is.

H/T to Bruce Kesler.

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  • davidt

    I can hear the proggy shrieks already.

  • http://www.rustedsky.net JLawson

    LOL.

    One of the problems of nation-building is the need to root out corruption and malfeasance in the local governmental structure.

    The US military’s been giving its members assisting rebuilding Iraq and Afghanistan the equivalent of PhD courses in rooting out corruption and graft, with plenty of practical exercises on how to rebuild a country’s government.  

    I think you’re going to see more and more of this.  We’re already seeing veterans getting into politics, and the old guard ain’t too happy about it.

  • MunDane68

    Wait…I thought all vets were supporters of RON PAUL (!!!!!!!), cuz they said so…

  • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

    Very interesting, not to mention unprecedented.  The Special Operators tend to remain out of the limelight.

  • Vagabond661

    This coukd be gooder than the Swift Boats and John Kerry.

    • ackwired

      That is a pretty low standard.  The “Swift Boating” of John Kerry was a low point in American history.

      • Sky__Captain

        Yes, telling the truth about a liberal is considered a “low point” by some.
        As is actually vetting a socialist  candidate for President.

        Would you consider Rathergate to be a “low point”, or a “high point”?

        • ackwired

          I was a junior naval officer at the same time as John Kerry.  Volunteering for swift boat duty was the bravest thing someone in that position could do, as it was recognized as the most dangerous duty available with the highest fatality rate.  The Texas National Guard was recognized as the place where privileged boys could hide from the draft.  Unlike other states, the Texas National Guard always made room for important familiy’s sons.  Getting into the Texas National Guard was not something available to average boys.  Not bothering to go to the meetings would have made average boys AWOL, and deserters after 30 days.

          John Kerry never said anything derogatory about those with whom he served.  He spoke out against the routine killing of civilians and the policies that demanded that of our forces.  I recognize that many service men need to believe that what they were required to do was totally justified.  So I understand their anger at Kerry for speaking out. 

          The fact is John Kerry gave his time and his blood to serve his country, and he showed great courage in his service, and in his willingness to speak out against the poicies that so many found immoral and objectionable. 

          Another Kerry ran for president, Bob Kerry.  Bob Kerry was a Nave Seal who had the lower portion of his leg shot off, but completed the mission and led his men back to base.  Bob Kerry is a Seal legend and is still talked about among the Navy Seals.  When he started gaining traction in his run for president, stories started to appear about how his service was less than honorable.

          Denigrating American heroes is about as low as one can get in my opinion.  These are human beings.  They are not perfect, and they did not do everything right.  But they demonstrated extraordinary courage in the service to their country, and trying to destroy their reputation for poitical gain is about as low as an American citizen can get.

          • jim_m

             John Kerry inflated his actions to garner medals, unwarranted adulation and an early return to the US where he slandered the troops serving their nation in an effort to jump start a political career.  John Kerry stepped on the dead bodies of his fellow soldiers and spat on their memory, lied about their service in the pursuit of personal gain.

            Bob Kerry (no relation) served his country honorably and to compare the two is disgusting.  John Kerry is not a hero and never was. He lied about his service multiple times to make himself into something he wasn’t.

          • herddog505

            Nobody denigrates the fact the Kerry served in combat, which was a brave thing to do.

            The problems, as jim_m states, are that Kerry inflated what he did (lucky hat in Cambodia, anybody?) even as he villified his fellow GI’s as soon as he got home.

            They told the stories at times they had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam in addition to the normal ravage of war, and the normal and very particular ravaging which is done by the applied bombing power of this country.

            — Statement by John F. Kerry
            “Winter Soldier” Investigation
            April 22, 1971

            https://facultystaff.richmond.edu/~ebolt/history398/JohnKerryTestimony.html

            Shorter Jean-Francois Kerry:

            “YAY!  Look at me!  I won three – count ‘em – THREE Purple Hearts in Vietnam!  AND a Silver Star!  I’m such a hero!  Not like everybody else in the service, who were all war criminals.  But that makes me a BIGGER hero, ‘cuz I ratted them out!  Gosh, am I wonderful or what?”

          • ackwired

            Unfortunately, the things he reported happened.  The point was not that the men involved were evil.  The point was that the official policies allowed and encouraged such activities.  He was not villifying the soldiers.  He was speaking out about the immoral and objectionable policies of those in charge.  Because he had the courage to take that stand, pepole who do not have the courage to face the truth must assassinate his character.

          • http://www.rustedsky.net JLawson

            He had the courage to take a cushy anti-war stand, but not the courage to complete his assignment as a swift-boat commander and THEN bug out and play the anti-war hero.

            Guess ‘duty’ is a pretty malleable concept in Kerry’s world, especially when it can take him from being an obscure nobody to a ‘hero’ angling for a political career… in which he was an obscure nobody until the DNC needed a ‘war hero’.

          • ackwired

            If you check you will see that he actually completed multiple tours as a swift boat commander.

            I suspect that some of what he did in the Navy was with a political career in mind.  The stories about him that I hear from Boston speak of an arrogant man with a strong sense of entitlement.  The fact that he is not nice nor admirable does not give people the right to denegrate his service and his courage under fire.

          • herddog505

            As I understand it, to the extent that many of his accusations were EVER proved to have merit (poisoning food stocks?  Really?), they seem pretty clearly to have been aberations.  That he chose to make a VERY public statement about them for his own self-aggrandizement tells me much more about him than it does about them.

          • ackwired

            And what of the other veterans who made the same statements?  Were they also making them for their “self-agrandizement”?

          • jim_m

             the things he reported happened.

            Proof.  Links.

            The point was not that the men involved were evil.

            No they just raped and tortured and murdered indiscriminately in a way that makes one of the mass murderers from ancient history look like a day care teacher.

            Kerry made everything up.  Just like he made up his hat and his heariong Nixon in Cambodia BS.  If anything actually happened it is coincidence and not direct knowledge.  He’s a total fraud and only the left are too dim to see it.

            He was not villifying the soldiers.
             That’s just BS and you know it.

          • herddog505

            Commander_ChicoWe can already see from the Iraq and Afghanistan wars that the pattern is repeating itself – denial.  Pretty soon, PFC Green, who raped and killed a 15 year old girl in Iraq, and the “Kill Team” which randomly shot civilians in Afghanistan, will be painted as victims by the chickenhawks and armchair warriors.We are indeed seeing the pattern repeat itself: the lefty meme that has US soldiers being AT BEST poor, ignorant but otherwise good boys, forced by economic hardship into the military, then ordered by cynical (Republican) politicians to do horrible things to put money in Wall Street (or Halliburton) pockets, and more likely racist psycho killers who enlist in the military because they like to kill dark-skinned people.I add that the only cries for mercy and tolerance and understanding for American soldiers who have misbehaved come from the left in favor of trash like Manning or Watada.  The rest of us are content to let the military conduct its investigations and courts martial rather than try GI’s in the court of the nightly news.As a personal matter, I view misbehavior of American troops very seriously: I think that those convicted by a court martial of serious crimes such as murder, rape, espionage, and cowardice should be hanged.  Those convicted of slightly lesser crimes should be punished with only slightly less severity.  Were it up to me, for example, Lyndie England and her fellow foul-ups would be breaking rocks in Ft. Leavenworth until the day they die.

          • ackwired

            You’ve declared yourself, Jim. If that is what you want to believe, it is fine with me.

          • Commander_Chico

            We can already see from the Iraq and Afghanistan wars that the pattern is repeating itself – denial.  Pretty soon, PFC Green, who raped and killed a 15 year old girl in Iraq, and the “Kill Team” which randomly shot civilians in Afghanistan, will be painted as victims by the chickenhawks and armchair warriors.

            Being mortared is not fun.  If you’re close enough to get shrapnel, a lot of people will shit themselves.  The concussion and the brain light-up might stay with you forever.  Any wound from that earns a Purple Heart.

            The Silver Star is a pretty serious award.

            Wars bring atrocities.  It’s been that way since before the Trojan War and the Iliad and Los Desastres de Guerra.

          • http://www.rustedsky.net JLawson

            “Not bothering to go to the meetings would have made average boys AWOL, and deserters after 30 days.”

            Inaccurate blanket statement there.  Active duty attendance and Reserve attendance are two entirely different concepts. It depends on the reason for missing, and there was/is considerable latitude as far as scheduling goes on the Reserve/ANG side of the house. Need to skip your 2 weeks annual drill? Reschedule it for 2 extra days a month for 7 months and you’re covered. Need a few months off for a good reason? Schedule makeup dates, and go to it. You’ve got to do your time – nobody ever says you can’t shuffle it around the calender if your supervisor doesn’t mind.

            As far as Bush’s ANG attendence went – both Baldilocks http://baldilocks.typepad.com/baldilocks/2004/02/okay_i_lied_hap.html and I gave full consideration to the points record that was released from a Personnel Specialist’s point of view.  We handled the stuff, interpreting for members who weren’t familiar with the system like we were.  We managed the records – we knew how the system works. 

            The sad thing is, the folks opining on his AWOLness didn’t have a clue, didn’t want a clue, and wouldn’t listen to anyone who DID have a clue.  They were looking to find something wrong, and being ignorant of the system, kept finding it.  Or attempting to.

            The whole sorry mess is at: http://www.rustedsky.net/2005/07/recovered_reserve_points_are_i.html

            and

            http://www.rustedsky.net/2005/07/recovered_points_and_how_you_l.html

            You will not find anyone who actually knew the system who saw anything wrong with Bush’s record, much as you might want to.  And it was always surprising to me (back then) why the media didn’t go to the source itself – ARPC in Colorado – and get THEM to interpret it.

            (Probably because they knew they wouldn’t get the answer they wanted…)

            And You gotta go to the  ‘more’ on the first to get a good feel for the lack of knowlege of the system, of the customs and procedures of how attendence at Reserve and ANG units was handled by a lot of the folks on the left.  It’ll probably be more than you ever wanted to know about forms, points, excused absences, unexcused absences, what constitutes a good year, excuses for rescheduling and the like.

            Did that for 13 years in the AF Reserve after 10 years active duty.  Knew it was time to retire when I started having wet dreams about taking all the files and dumping them into a gigantic shredder…

            Anyhow… at this point, it’s more historical interest than anything else.  Obama and Clinton have pretty much destroyed the ‘You’ve got to serve!” meme as far as running for POTUS goes.  And Bush’s service WAS sufficient – at least as far as I can see.

          • http://www.rustedsky.net JLawson

            And this…

            http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2004/feb/10/20040210-082910-8424r/

            Ackwired, if all you were was active duty – there’s no reason you’d have a clue about how the Reserves and ANG handled things.  I know I didn’t, until I got into it, and was surprised at how flexible it was.

            But then, it has to be. 

          • ackwired

            Fair enough.

          • Commander_Chico

            Bush cost the DOD millions for his flight training, then bugged out after what, a year of flying?

            The guy never made captain (O-3), fer Gawd’s sake.

            This is a one page summary of Bush’s service which says he missed 4 OERs as “not observed.”

            http://www.seanet.com/~johnco/bush102.htm

            I don’t blame Bush for evading Vietnam – by the time he was facing the draft it was the smart thing to do.

            I do blame him for getting the USA into Iraq.

          • herddog505

            Jebus, is THAT what you’re reduced to???

          • http://www.rustedsky.net JLawson

            Apparently. 

            Chico needs to turn in his fake ‘Commander’s rank.  His knowledge of military history is decidedly lacking.

          • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

            He was born in that gutter and has been going down hill ever since.

          • http://www.rustedsky.net JLawson

            So?  Viet Nam war winds down, we have a surplus of pilots – come on, ‘Commander’ – you know what that does to the possibilities for promotion!

            How many pilots would stay when (A) their airplane’s being phased out, and (B) their chances of staying a flier in the force are being reduced because the war’s ending, and (C) they’d have to try to bump a pilot with more time in service and time in grade, and (D) Early Outs were to be had for the asking because of massive overages in the flying field?

            Re the ‘not observed’ – that’s not unusual in Reserve units. If the immediate supervisor was on a different schedule, you’d get that.

            Come on, man. You’re depending on civilian interpretation of military custom, when they’re coming in with a large axe to grind in the first place.

          • Commander_Chico

            C’mon, I was in the reserves for 15 years, never had a not observed fitrep.

          • http://www.rustedsky.net JLawson

            Never worked in the orderly room, did you?

            The norm in our wing was, for the officers, one every other year, or when they PCSed out of the unit – if I recall correctly.

            They were rare things, to be sure.

            Navy mileage may vary, of course.

          • Commander_Chico

            By what measure did they promote people?  Wrestling contests?  Scrabble contests?

          • http://www.rustedsky.net JLawson

            Time in service, time in grade, and OERs.    Promotion’s slow in the AFReserve officer ranks.  To 1st Lt was virtually automatic – to O-3 took a while.

            Or at least, it was.

            That was one reason why I retired (apart from the shredder dreams) – I wasn’t going to be making E-7 for probably another 4 years, and figured 23 years total was enough.  (Had over 4000 points, to, since my active duty time counted as 365-366 a year.  Some folks retiring from the AFR were doing good to get up to 1000 – they just did their minimums.)

          • http://www.rustedsky.net JLawson

            Plus, if you wanted to stay with a particular unit – you had to wait until there was a job opening that fit your specialty and your new rank.  You could go into a slot that was less than your rank by 1 and keep your pay grade – dropping by 2 would drop your rank by 1.  

            With the RIF of the mid ’90s, a lot of people were involuntarily separated because there were no jobs to be had for them, at any rank.  Some moved cross-country to units that had openings.

          • herddog505

            “Evading” Vietnam?

            Jebus, he VOLUNTEERED to go!

            http://newsbusters.org/blogs/brad-wilmouth/2009/08/25/fncs-goldberg-bush-volunteered-vietnam-cbss-mapes-deliberately-omitte

            I suppose that the USAF said “no, thanks” since there wasn’t exactly a huge need for F-102 pilots in SE Asia at the time.

          • Commander_Chico

            Talk is cheap.  Official forms matter.

            From your own link:

            It is also true, however, that in his 1968 application to join the Texas Air National Guard Bush was asked if he wanted to go overseas and he checked the box that said “do not volunteer.

          • herddog505

            Gosh, perhaps he changed his mind later?  Gee whiz, maybe?  Possibly?

            Bernie Goldberg points out the Bush DID volunteer to go to Vietnam, and the source is not exactly Bush’s friend:

            [Mary] Mapes had information prior to the airing of the September 8 [2004] Segment that President Bush, while in the TexANG [Texas Air National Guard] did volunteer for service in Vietnam but was turned down in favor of more experienced pilots. For example, a flight instructor who served in the TexANG with Lieutenant Bush advised Mapes in 1999 that Lieutenant Bush “did want to go to Vietnam but others went first.” Similarly, several others advised Mapes in 1999, and again in 2004 before September 8, that Lieutenant Bush had volunteered to go to Vietnam but did not have enough flight hours to qualify.

            http://www.bernardgoldberg.com/a-lost-fact-in-the-rathergate-mess-part-1/

            You are really, really grasping at straws here.  The fact is that, while Bush’s service in the TXANG may not have been enough to make him a veritable Curtis LeMay, he nevertheless met the requirements, flew a difficult and dangerous aircraft, and received an honorable discharge.  Further, there is nothing beyond the wild fantasies of lefties, including the thoroughly dishonest Dan Rather and Mary Mapes, to demonstrate that Bush used influence to get into the TXANG in the first place.

            Ann Althouse has a good take on all of this:

            [I]t’s never been established that Bush pulled strings to get into the TANG. One could just as well read his failure to get assigned to Vietnam as evidence that he did not rely on string-pulling to get what he wanted. As to why Bush never raised this point before: Perhaps it’s because Bush has never used his military service for self-promotion. You might say that’s because he has little to brag about, and surely volunteering to go to Vietnam when you don’t meet the eligibility requirements is not an especially strong basis for bragging. But generally, those who’ve served in the military refrain from using their service for self-promotion, don’t they? And one reason the Swift Boat Vets came forward when they did was that Kerry began to use his claim of military heroism as the centerpiece of his campaign.

            http://althouse.blogspot.com/2004/09/bush-volunteered-for-vietnam-story.html

          • http://www.rustedsky.net JLawson

            You starting to get the feeling that ‘Commander’ never even talked to a recruiter, much less took the ASVAB?

          • herddog505

            No, just that he hates Bush so badly that he’d believe just about anything that anybody would care to say about him:

            — Bush carried messages between Benedict Arnold and Major Andre, but his daddy got him off the hook!

            — Bush was supposed to be guarding President Lincoln at Ford’s Theatre, but he was AWOL that night!

            — Bush was on duty in the fighter control center at Pearl Harbor, but was too high on coke to care that radar had picked up the Japanese planes!

            — The Soviets didn’t shoot down the U-2 in 1960: Bush was the pilot, and he crashed it because he was drunk!

            — Bush was supposed to fly top cover for the Pueblo, but he got lost!

            You name it, It’s All Bush’s Fault!(TM)

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Frank-Provasek/100000474608446 Frank Provasek

            Nothing in the Dan Rather report about Bush’s TANG service was proven false. The one disputed document was deemed accurate by the secretary who prepared it. There was a scramble to scrub any adverse material from Bush’s military and arrest records when he ran for Texas governor in 1994, so it’s quite possible that a single questioned document may have been replaced with an edited newly-created counterfeit.

          • http://www.rustedsky.net JLawson

            I can’t figure out whether you’re really as ignorant as you’re acting, or just playing around.  I’m thinking more and more you’ve never been in the military,

            When anyone goes through basic, you’ve got to fill one of these out.  You are told, in no uncertain terms (at least, in 1974) that you WILL check the Do Not Volunteer block.  It does not MATTER where you want to go.  It does not MATTER where you are going to school.  It does not MATTER what your future plans are.  You WILL check that block.  If you DO NOT check that block, you WILL have to do that form over.  (And earn the ire of the drill instructor telling you how to fill out the paperwork because you’re screwing with the flow of his day.  You check the box.)

            (And I’m not sure, but I think I had to fill out one at the MEPS before I had my physical.  But that was close to 40 years back now – can’t quite recall.)

            Come on, man – you telling me the Navy didn’t have something similar?  Called a ‘Dream Sheet’, because you were dreaming if you thought that you’d get your choice of what you put down on it?

            They also tell you that you can change it at ANY time by going to the CBPO (now referred to as the MPF) and filling out a new one, which supersedes all older ones and takes 5 minutes or less.  You don’t have to get your commander or supervisor to sign it.

            But yet, this is supposed to mean something horribly profound, like you fill it out once and you can NEVER EVER fill it out again.

            Civilians don’t understand the military, all its little absurdities - and more and more it seems you don’t either…

          • Commander_Chico

            I know one thing: you either volunteer, or you don’t.  I never had anyone officially tell me not to volunteer for anything.  The unofficial word of course is: never volunteer.

            I don’t extrapolate my experience to the whole military. As they say, “results may differ.”

            But sure, you can change a form.  So where is the dream sheet that Bush volunteered on?

            You can buy all the spin and BS that the Bush crowd put out.  I don’t, but I also don’t blame him for not volunteering for Vietnam.

          • http://www.rustedsky.net JLawson

            Doesn’t fit the narrative, right?  Likely nobody ever bothered to scan it in because it’s contrary to the story as spun.

          • http://www.rustedsky.net JLawson

            Plus, when you’ve got GS clerks doing the typing for you, (again, as was the norm… this was back in the days before word processors, after all…) they explain what should be where.

            And you crossed a GS admin clerk at your peril…

          • herddog505

            JLawsonActive duty attendance and Reserve attendance are two entirely different concepts. It depends on the reason for missing, and there was/is considerable latitude as far as scheduling goes on the Reserve/ANG side of the house. Need to skip your 2 weeks annual drill? Reschedule it for 2 extra days a month for 7 months and you’re covered. Need a few months off for a good reason? Schedule makeup dates, and go to it. You’ve got to do your time – nobody ever says you can’t shuffle it around the calender if your supervisor doesn’t mind.

            This was quite common in my NCARNG outfit.  Many of us were college students; I myself “missed” two annual trainings… which I made up later with another unit.

            The unfortunate fact is that the National Guard acquired and has not been able to shake the moniker “weekend warriors” and all that it entails, which includes the idea that it’s a refuge for politically-connected cowards.

          • http://www.rustedsky.net JLawson

            I wouldn’t call any pilot of an interceptor a coward.  (I’m too fond of my teeth, and it manifestly isn’t true.)

          • herddog505

            Nor would I.

            As it happens, my father joined the TNANG in (IIRC) 1966 after his hitch in the regular Air Force.  Pretty sure that The Old Man didn’t use “influence” to get the position, either…

          • ackwired

            It looks like he was given some special consideration so as not to be declared AWOL.  I’m OK with that.  Do you think that you or I would have gotten the same consideration?

          • http://www.rustedsky.net JLawson

            LOL.

            You didn’t read the links, did you?  He wasn’t AWOL, it wasn’t any special consideration.  We had E-1s out for pregnancy (4-5 months), we had 2nd Lieutenants out finishing their Masters degrees, we had folks out for medical reasons, for jobs (where their civilian job took them across the country, they served with other units where applicable and possible, or just delayed their time until they returned.), and we had folks from other units come in.  Fill out the Form 40A with the dates, send it back to their units, and all was fine.  

            The thing is, you had to get the supervisor to sign the Form 40A.  Get that, and the “1 weekend a month and 2 weeks a year” becomes VERY malleable, as long as you get sufficient points for a good year.

            He wasn’t AWOL, it’s that simple.  I don’t understand why it’s so difficult to grasp that. The ANG and AFR are part-time things for most of the people in them, unless/until they get called up.  And his unit wasn’t.

            Please, read the links.  Read the ENTIRE links, along with the comments.  I tried to distill 13 years of experience into a couple of blog posts, but you gotta read it all.

            You show me a record of attendance, the points and dates, and I can tell whether someone had a good year or a bad year for attendance and retirement purposes. Bush had a good year. He did his time according to the points record – and if you go read the second link, I lay it out point by point by point. A normal drill period is 4 points, 2 points per day. An Annual Tour day is 1 point. He actually had 11 points more than he needed for the year.

            Therefore, he wasn’t AWOL.

          • SCSIwuzzy

            I was under the impression, perhaps incorrectly, that when Kerry asked to transfer to the swift boats their mission did not include river patrols.  The mission changes shortly after.  

          • ackwired

            I think he also volunteered for a second tour.

          • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

            [citation required]

          • ackwired

            Thank you for asking.  I was mistaken.  His first tour in Viet Nam was not aboard a swift boat.

            http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=John_Kerry/Vietnam_Service

        • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

          Note also that the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth repeatedly challenged John Francois Kerry to sue them for defamation and / or slander.  Knowing he had no leg to stand on, he never did.

          Kerry was proved to be a serial fabulist and self aggrandizing braggart.

          • ackwired

            The Swift Boat Veterans for Truth served courageously and did what they thought they had to do.  I have no quarrel with them.  But I do with those that did not serve and use their words for political purposes.

          • herddog505

            And those purposes would be…?

            Answer: Keeping a backstabbing fabulist out of the White House.  Oh, and I suppose that we might throw in “traitor”, given his apparent hobnobbing with the North Vietnamese in Paris.

          • ackwired

            One of the differences I have with extremists is their belief that the ends justify the means.

          • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

            Yet here you are justifying someone (John Francois Kerry) who demonstrably did believe the ends (ending our involvement in Vietnam) justified the means (lying before Congress and meeting with enemies of the United States in Paris).

          • ackwired

            The fact is I have done neither.

          • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

            In fact you have done both.

          • ackwired

            I think you are being less than forthright.

          • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

            I’ve never known you to be forthright here.

          • herddog505

            What “means” have been used that you find objectionable here?

            Kerry ran in large part on his war record (“Reporting for duty!”).  The SBV’s pointed out that there are inconsistencies in that record, even according to his own various biographies and published stories.  They also reminded everybody that Kerry, after he got back from Vietnam, behaved in a rather un-Sergeant York manner, tossing his (or somebody’s) medals over the White House fence, testifying that his fellow soldiers were monsters, and enjoying coffee and croissants with the NVA in Paris.

            What is “extremist” about pointing these things out?  Or does the (d) behind his name give him immunity from questions and criticism?  IIRC, Kerry made the laughable assertion that, IF he erred back then, it was because he was “just a kid”… in his late twenties.

            Somehow, I thing that the SOS guys will be in for the Swift Boat treatment from Barry and MiniTru: they’ll be called liars, political hacks, and everything else that the SBV guys got called for DARING to criticize the darling of the left, Barrack Hussein Obama.

          • ackwired

            What I find objectionable is the denigration of a decorated veteran.  The Swift Boat Captains felt threatened by Kerry because he told the truth about what was happening.  I understand that and I sympathize with their need to take that stand.  Others simply saw an opportunity to assasinate a man’s character for political gain, and moved on it.  The same thing has been done to every leader of the D’s since Tip O’Neal.  I don’t think that is a coincidence.

          • herddog505

            Denigration of a decorated veteran?  Like all those other decorated veterans (including those who didn’t make it back) who were slimed by Kerry?

            BTW, if he KNEW that people had committed war crimes, why did he not go to his chain of command or the IG?  Why did he not provide specific names, places, dates and so forth to the JAG?  Could it be that he was (ahem) exagerating a few things here and there to make himself look more the hero whistleblower?

            FWIW:

            ARTICLE 78:
            Any person subject to this chapter who, knowing that an offense punishable by this chapter has been committed, receives, comforts, or assists the offender in order to hinder or prevent his apprehension, trial, or punishment shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.

            For my money, I would throw in Article 133: Conduct Unbecoming, too.

          • ackwired

            You are very confused about this.  Many Viet Nam veterans protested the policies and orders that allowed, encouraged, and required killing civilians.  Kerry never talked about individuals, only about the policies that were destroying any opportunity for a favorable outcome and were also destroying my generation.

          • jim_m

             Another lefty trying to silence the opposition.  “If you didn’t serve you have nothing to say on the military or the service of others”.

            I thought “liberals” were for everyone’s liberty.  I guess that ends when your political sensitivities get tweaked.

          • ackwired

            I don’t know who said what you have placed in quotes.  It certainly was not me, and I certainly would not have the means to “silence” anybody.  But that will not keep me from speaking up when others denegrate the service of our service men and women for political purposes.

          • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

            Yet you are oddly silent when a former service member grossly exaggerates their service, meets with an active enemy of the United States overseas, and commits serial perjury before Congress

          • ackwired

            Kerry served and volunteered for duty that I was unwilling to volunteer for.  He has earned the right to talk about his service and I have not earned the right to criticize his service nor his characterization of it.  As for perjury, was he charged or are you playing fast and loose with the truth?

          • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

            I believe Kerry makes you feel inadequate.

          • ackwired

            If that makes you feel good, it’s fine with me.

          • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

            Yet you are oddly silent when a former service member grossly exaggerates their service, meets with an active enemy of the United States overseas, and commits serial perjury before Congress

          • http://www.rustedsky.net JLawson

            “But I do with those that did not serve and use their words for political purposes.”

            2+2=4 whether the calculation comes from a toddler barely learning to add or Einstein right after he figured out how much energy can be released from fissioning atoms.  If someone speaks the truth, I don’t care whether they served or not – what’s important is the truth.

            Conversely, serving won’t give a gloss of truth to a framework of lies. And it’s pretty easy any more to tell what’s what on that account.

          • ackwired

            Your two points are quite valid.  I will continue to speak up when people denigrate the service of people who have shown courage under fire, especially when it is done for political purposes.

      • herddog505

        No, what was a low point in our history is that a man who could trash his fellow soldiers as murderers, torturers, and like “Jenjis Khan”, who could hobnob with the enemy in Paris, could turn right ’round and build his political career – even to the point of trying for the White House – in part upon being some sort of a Boston Brahmin Rambo, an Audie Murphy with a Hah-vahd Yahd accent.  What’s a low point in our history is that, when other vets raised objections about certain elements of his story, THEY were attacked by our unbiased, neutral, professional, multiple-layers-of-fact-checkers media as liars.  O’ course, the REAL low point in when MiniTru could take some pretty obviously-faked memoes about George Bush’s mundane but honorable service in the TXANG and try to turn him into the next worst thing to Eddie Slovick.

        Come to think of it, libs doubtless think that Slovick not only got a raw deal but was actually some sort of hero for standing up to The Man or something, just like Bradley Manning. (Can anybody explain to me why he hasn’t been hanged yet?)

  • herddog505

    I hope that these SOS guys are VERY careful about vetting their members.  It strikes me that this sort of organization will easily attract the wannabes, eager to shine in the reflected light – stolen – of genuine heroes.  The last thing they need is a rightwing Jesse MacBeth.

    • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

      Or a John “Francois” Kerry.

  • Commander_Chico

    Good luck to them at SOS, free speech is great.

    What I’d really like to see is one of Romney’s five sons join up. Even the reserves or Guard.

    • http://www.rustedsky.net JLawson

      And when were you conscripted, ‘Commander’?

      We’ve got a history of military service in my family.  Father, Grandfather, Great Grandfather, my brother and myself. 

      My son says he doesn’t want to go into the military.  And that’s fine by me – he’s got to find his own path.  (Plus, he’s 14.)  

      I would decidedly rail against any attempt to re-institute the Draft.  It’s not needed and not wanted by the military.  If Romney’s sons don’t want to join up, I see no reason they should have to, especially seeing they’ve got pretty productive lives on their own.

      http://www.buzzfeed.com/jpmoore/the-romney-sons-a-guide

      • Commander_Chico

        C’mon, one’s a physician.  The military is desperate for physicians of all types.  He could join the reserves and do a tour in Afghanistan.

        • SCSIwuzzy

          So where were your calls for Al Gore’s son and 3 daughters, Chelsea Clinton and the Obama girls to join the military?  Granted, it’s too early for the Obamas, but the Clinton and Gore kids have certainly had the chances…

        • http://www.rustedsky.net JLawson

          And that would please you?  

          The thing about an all-volunteer military is that’s it’s ALL VOLUNTEER.  The Draft is history – and deservedly so.  Someone wants to volunteer, I’ll cheer ‘em on.  

          If they don’t – that’s fine also.

          You’re really seeming kind of, um, vague on the whole concept of actual freedom to choose military service, aren’t you?  At least, as far as folks you don’t much like go, it would seem.

          You DO understand that choosing to NOT go into the military doesn’t carry any stigma at all, right?  That’s been well established.  Clinton and Obama? Right?

          Come on, man.  The precedent’s been set.  You can’t change it at a whim.

          • Commander_Chico

            They’re free to choose, I’m free to think less of them and their chickenhawk father.

          • http://www.rustedsky.net JLawson

            And I’m free to think less of you – since it seems to me you’re disregarding the 13th Amendment in pursuit of some sort of military ‘fairness’ illusion for political purposes.

          • Commander_Chico

            Of course, there was a draft when Romney père, son of a “brainwashed” governor himself, took his four student and one religious deferment.  

            Some poor schmuck had to go in his place. The 13th Amendment argument did not work for him.

          • http://www.rustedsky.net JLawson

            And some poor schmuck had to go in Clinton’s place when he got his Rhodes scholarship.

            It doesn’t matter.  Funny you’d try to bring it up as a talking point, though…

          • Commander_Chico

            Clinton can’t and isn’t running for president on a platform of war, war.

          • http://www.rustedsky.net JLawson

            The President doesn’t exactly get to pick and choose what major events will happen during their administration.

            All things considered – I’m surprised Obama’s hair isn’t completely white at this point. The poor sap’s not had an easy time of it.

          • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

            Consistency and chica are seldom mentioned in the same sentence without an intervening negation.

          • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

            Consistency and chica are seldom mentioned in the same sentence without an intervening negation.

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