LA Times Lies About Opposition To Unlawful Immigration

June 19, 2012 | Filed under Illegal Aliens,Immigration,LA Times | Posted by David Robertson

As to be expected, the editors of the Los Angeles Times published an editorial expressing their collective opinion about President Obama’s new immigration policy.

In general, the editorial expresses an opinion shared by a majority of U.S. citizens who have been polled about the President’s new policy.

However, the editorial deviates from the majority view when the editors state the following:

Friday’s announcement angered anti-immigrant groups, which complained that the president’s action amounts to little more than a blanket amnesty.

This statement by the editors is a lie. The groups that were angered are not anti-immigrant. Instead, they are anti-illegal immigration, meaning that the groups are anti-illegal behavior. Those groups have no objection to immigration when done through legal means.

You can support the President’s immigration policy without lying about the people who are opposed to the policy.

Why would the editors of the LA Times tell such a lie? Who do they think they are, politicians?

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Posted by David Robertson on June 19, 2012.
Filed under Illegal Aliens, Immigration, LA Times.
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jim_m
The only poll I am aware of that is directly on this issue is the Bloomberg poll and it has been completely trashed:
First, the sample document from Bloomberg is conspicuously bare.
Not only does it not include any partisan affiliation data (even though
Bloomberg promotes the findings among independents), it doesn’t have any
demographic data at all. It doesn’t list what other questions were
asked, the order in which they were asked, nor does it speak to any bump
in approval for Obama coming from the change in policy. As a polling
document, it’s useless.
http://hotair.com/archives/2012/06/19/bloomberg-poll-64-agree-with-new-immigration-policy/
Further, if you look at tracking polls, they are showing no movement and you would expect a bump if, as the LA Times and Bloomberg claim, this policy is so wildly popular.
Cue Grumpy to come in and make the same claims of racism as usual. Of course he won’t notice that he is assuming that all immigrants are minorities and he will, of course, ignore that all the 9/11 hijackers were here illegally and what obama is doing is essentially saying that he wouldn’t have tried to stop them.
GarandFan
I’m still waiting for the LA Times article about how LA came to be a 3rd World city.
http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZ5BM5GNLA54OADSWGSXAMA7SY Jay

The groups that were angered are not anti-immigrant. Instead, they are anti-illegal immigration, meaning that the groups are anti-illegal behavior. Those groups have no objection to immigration when done through legal means.
The groups angered are those greatly affected by the acts of people like Sheriff Arpaio. This is the same guy that didn’t follow up on 400 Latino sex abuse cases as well as detaining people very soon after Obama’s declaration of stopping deportations. Our policy has truly failed. Hell, Obama deported more Latinos than Bush.
Yet we should continue these policies when ICE covers up sexual abuse or Sheriff Arpaio’s mistreatment (pdf) of Latinos by ignoring their crimes, stalking them, or forcing women to sleep in their own blood? Come on, there’s a lot of issues here but saying that we should continue the deportation strategy is beyond racist. It’s immoral and unethical and a slap to the face to the 8th, 9th, and 14th Amendment.
- jim_m
  A policy to deport people in the country illegally is not racist as it affects everyone of every race equally. Only imbeciles claim that this policy, in place for decades, is racist as it was in effect before immigration from Mexico became such a big issue.
  Yes, how people are treated when detained is an issue and must not be ignored, but effectively eliminating our border controls to address that is stupid. Add to that the fact that the issue is driven by the left’s desire to stuff the ballot box with illegal votes and we understand that this is not about racism, but it is about the left’s desire to rule over the rest of us at any cost.
  - http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZ5BM5GNLA54OADSWGSXAMA7SY Jay
    
    A policy to deport people in the country illegally is not racist as it affects everyone of every race equally.
    Show how the deportations didn’t affect Latinos disproportionately. 93% of those deported were Latino. Care to update your belief?
    Only imbeciles claim that this policy, in place for decades, is racist as it was in effect before immigration from Mexico became such a big issue.
    Wrong. Look at the Secure Communities program which helped to have a number of errors in execution for the last three years.
    Yes, how people are treated when detained is an issue and must not be ignored, but effectively eliminating our border controls to address that is stupid.
    Uh… No it’s not. The border problems we have because of the drug war in keeping drugs illegal for little reasons other than keeping minorities suppressed. You want a secure border? End the drug war.
    Add to that the fact that the issue is driven by the left’s desire to stuff the ballot box with illegal votes and we understand that this is not about racism, but it is about the left’s desire to rule over the rest of us at any cost.
    I highly doubt that. The voter purge of Rick Scott is about voter suppression for himself. Further, Texas is even worse with voter suppression.
    How about quit fighting that invisible fairy in the corner and deal with the issues at hand?
    - jim_m
      OK so ~80% of all immigrants are Hispanic. It stands to reason that illegal immigrants would at least follow that percentage, but it would also be more likely for illegals to come from nations (Mexico and Canada) with land borders.
      I’m failing to see how this is actually affecting Latinos disproportionately.
      - http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZ5BM5GNLA54OADSWGSXAMA7SY Jay
        93% of Latinos being detained by the Secure Communities Program isn’t disproportionate to you?
        That’s amazing… Jim, of all people you should know that illegals come from various countries and each corner of the US has different type of “illegals” to deal with. Ex: Haitians, Cubans, and Jamaicans are the main type of immigrants in Florida while New Mexico, Arizona, and Texas have Hispanic immigrants. Let’s also consider that illegals in California are usually of the Asian variety and you have a very disproportionate number that should not be almost all Latino.
      - jim_m
        NO it is not disproportionate when one considers that 80%R or more of LEGAL immigrants are hispanic and the illegal ones are going to be that ratio or higher given the land border with Mexico. Are you really that STUPID that you think hat deportations should match the whole US population ratio and that they should not reflect the ration of who enters he country illegally?
        WTF?!?!?! How much of an ass do you really need to show yourself to be?
      - http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZ5BM5GNLA54OADSWGSXAMA7SY Jay
        What? So the Secure Communities Program can target Latinos without impunity and that’s acceptable because the ratio is “just right?”
        I swear, it’s as if I’m talking about the stop and frisk program of NY and how it’s disproportionately against brown skinned people despite being colorblind…
        Try reading how 53% of the Latinos pulled over were the ones that had a violent record while the other 47% were just detained in prison like conditions to be raped and tortured.
    - http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves
      The Law is only detrimental to those here illegally. The law itself is colorblind (as it should be).
      - http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZ5BM5GNLA54OADSWGSXAMA7SY Jay
        Colorblind? Are you mad? Sheriff Arpaio seems intent on using the laws specifically on one race. Further, if the laws were truly colorblind, you wouldn’t see the high numbers from the Secure Communities program reflect a Latino bias.
        I don’t even have to go into laws such as SB 1070 which are horrible affronts to 4th Amendment rights as well as racially discriminatory.
      - http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves
        The Law targets NO ONE by race or ethnicity.
      - http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZ5BM5GNLA54OADSWGSXAMA7SY Jay
        The law allows people like Arpaio to target people by race or ethnicity.
      - 914
        The law allow’s him to lawfully detain any and all lawbreakers. Grow a brain before it’s too late!
      - http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZ5BM5GNLA54OADSWGSXAMA7SY Jay
        Right. The mother who was given a parking ticket then shipped to an ICE facility is such a criminal. You’re making a great statement from ignorance.
      - 914
        Oops!! Too late!!
      - jim_m
        NO it does not. And I will note that you’ve not admitted that your claim of disproportionate enforcement was based on a paranoid idea that Hispanics, who represent nearly 93% of illegals, should only be deported at the percentage of the general population. Your claim of racism is entirely bogus.
      - http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZ5BM5GNLA54OADSWGSXAMA7SY Jay
        Hold the phone Jim.
        Where the hell do Hispanics represent 93% of illegals?
        They’re the ones targeted. How do you confuse these issues so poorly that you can’t keep your facts straight? Of the 396,000 illegals rounded up for apportionment money to ICE, over 93% of them were Hispanic. And you mean to tell me that they represent the general population? WTF? I never made that claim. You need to back up your own claim here.
      - jim_m
        Dude, Pew estimates that Hispanics make up 80% or more of legal immigrants. It stands to reason that if people are crossing the borders that the legal/illegal rates will be similar. It further stands to reason that if those percentages are in any way skewed it would be due to the land borders our nation has. Since the Canadian economy is doing reasonably well and there isn’t a drug war there it is not unreasonable to assume that the illegal rate would skew Hispanic due to the increased opportunity for Hispanic immigrants to illegally cross from Mexico.
        So it is not unreasonable to assume that 93%, or nearly so, of illegal immigrants are of Hispanic origin. It takes a real ass to think that the rates would be far less. You presume racism because like everyone else on he left you see everything through the lens of race and you cannot conceive of anyone actually judging a person on the basis of his character.
      - jim_m
        Wizbang guys: I’m seeing a lot of issues with response times on commenting. Sometimes it takes a comment but most of the time it does not and when I click the post button I end up with a double post.
      - http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves
        Show proof of intent. Statistics of results (unless they are an order of magnitude outside of other border states) don’t qualifty.
    - 914
      Add to that the fact that the issue is driven by the left’s desire to stuff the ballot box with illegal votes and we understand that this is not about racism, but it is about the left’s desire to rule over the rest of us at any cost.
      JAY- “I highly doubt that. The voter purge of Rick Scott is about voter suppression for himself. Further, Texas is even worse with voter suppression.”
      Project much?
      - http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZ5BM5GNLA54OADSWGSXAMA7SY Jay
        As always, 914 loses his damn mind and shows he knows nothing about the topic at hand other than shouting down others he disagrees with. His topic of choice today: Reflection.
        …is driven by the left’s desire to stuff the ballot box with illegal votes and we understand that this is not about racism, but it is about the left’s desire to rule over the rest of us at any cost.
        You see this sentence folks? It makes no sense. Somehow, without any explanation whatsoever the mighty jingoistic enemy of “the left” will rise up to take away your children and your furry dog because the facts can’t be looked at to prove otherwise. But let’s not get into the facts that show him wrong by actually looking at the links above. No, let’s just spout off the same inane nonsense because dammit, if you write it out enough times, someone will believe you.
        Project much?
        Nope. When a judge actually stops voter suppression (pdf) while irony abounds I can’t help but see Florida as less of a threat than Texas that seems much more willing to give away people’s rights to vote based on bad technology.
        But do carry on. I’m sure you’ll come up with even crazier sentences in the future.
      - 914
        ” I can’t help but see Florida as less of a threat than Texas that seems much more willing to give away people’s rights to vote based on bad technology.”
        How much technology can their be in a photo ID? Much like a drivers license? Unless you are talking about the Die-Bold’s in trunks waiting their chance to circumvent the electoral process just like they were in 2000 ?
        By the way, the Die-Bold’s were overwhelmingly pulling for Albert.. . What a pity..
      - http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZ5BM5GNLA54OADSWGSXAMA7SY Jay
        
        How much technology can their be in a photo ID?
        Why the hell do they need it in the first place? There’s more money going into keeping the voter restrictions such as ID than there are going into budget deficits and urges to get Texans to the polls.
      - 914
        “Why the hell do they need it in the first place?”
        USA: All inclusive election for Presidency-
        Because “they” like to keep law abiding citizens in line. The others are invisible and therefore need no supervision.
        At least according to leftie’s..
      - 914
        Otherwise, we already have untold millions of votes from foreign interests undermining the Country.
      - http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZ5BM5GNLA54OADSWGSXAMA7SY Jay
        Since money is speech, I’m sure that’s a fairly accurate statement.
      - jim_m
        I don;t know. Why don’t you ask you lord and savior obama why he demands that people show a photo ID to get into his campaign events? WHy don’t you ask Eric Holder why people have o show a photo ID to get into the Dept of Justice?
        Are they racists too? No. Your claims of racism are just bullshit.
      - http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves
        Highly selective in any case, rising to the level of defacto racism on his part.
      - http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZ5BM5GNLA54OADSWGSXAMA7SY Jay
        That makes no sense given what we’re discussing. Try again Jim.
      - herddog505
        The judge did not “stop voter suppression.” Rather, the judge ruled that Florida’s requirement to submit new registrations to the Division of Elections within forty-eight hours (unless the office was closed) were – somehow – onerous:
        The 2011 statute requires a voter-registration organization to deliver a voter registration application to the Division of Elections or the local supervisor of elections “within 48 hours after the applicant completes it or the next business day
        if the appropriate office is closed for that 48-hour period.” Fla. Stat. §97.0575(3)(a) (2011). Failure to do so subjects an organization to fines up to an aggregate of $1,000 in a calendar year.
        Judge Hinkle’s biggest gripe about the Florida law in question was that it was “vague” and poorly-written. Oh, he recognized that the state had some teensy-tiny interest in getting voting registration forms in promptly and especially in NOT getting them dumped on the Division of Elections right before an election, but – dang it! – that pesky law was just so badly written. Plus, the Post Office MIGHT NOT put a legible postmark on any mailed-in forms. Never mind that the Post Office – somehow – managed to accomplish this feat every year when people mail in their taxes…
        Oh, and you’ll never guess who nominated Hinkle to the bench.
        President William Jefferson “Slick Willie” Clinton (d-AR)
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Lewis_Hinkle
    - jim_m
      Nothing in the article you link demonstrates that race is behind people being asked to verify that they are real voters and not dead.
      Just another example of how the left demands that fake or invalid registrations remain on the rolls so they can cheat. There is no other purpose to oppose cleaning up the rolls other than to support voter fraud. You whine about racism, how racist is it to invalidate the votes of minorities by casting illegal votes?
      I suppose you really don’t care how many voters you disenfranchise by allowing illegal votes. It doesn’t even occur to you that disenfranchising voters in that way is every bit as racist as what you suggest, if not more so.
      - http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZ5BM5GNLA54OADSWGSXAMA7SY Jay
        Jim, how in hell do you confuse two separate issues? I was talking about Texas and voter suppression and you go off on a tangent. The issue is not if they’re real voters. The issue is that Texas is using poor data to keep their voter rolls accurate. Why do you constantly act as if everything is some personal attack instead of actually reading articles and making informed decisions?
      - http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZ5BM5GNLA54OADSWGSXAMA7SY Jay
        That wasn’t the issue, Jim. Please try responding to what I wrote instead of this nonsense about racist Texas.
        Their machines are outdated. Try responding to that.
      - jim_m
        They were sending letters out to people for confirmation. Do you really think it is racist to ask people to clarify that they are still good voters.
      - jim_m
        Jay, The article you linked about Texas voter suppression was about their efforts to clean up the rolls and did not say anything about suppression. It’;s not my fault your link doesn’t support your claim
      - jim_m
        Jay, The article you linked about Texas voter suppression was about their efforts to clean up the rolls and did not say anything about suppression. It’;s not my fault your link doesn’t support your claim
      - http://opinion.ak4mc.us/ McGehee
        Voter suppression in Texas is a tangent.
      - Guest
        His outrage is a good cover for his stupidity.
        They use it on Fox News all the time. Low IQ rubes believe someone who is visibly angry – they figure they must have good reason to be angry therefore even though the viewer is clueless as to the issue, seeing someone with a good dose of vitriol and outrage imparts street cred.
        Remember, a lot of these people have racist hate in their hearts. Seeing an angry Arizona Sheriff, for example, is comforting. Rubes need something to hate, and fresh meat is always welcome.
        Anyway, that’s why Jim M changes the subject and talks about his “beliefs” in such angry tones. He’s just a moron seeking approval from his fellow haters.
    - retired.military
      Oh wait. We in TX actually require people to be breathing to vote and also to have something official with their name on it. Oh the horror.
      Lets see. I just recently registered due to a move. To submit the written form I had to present umm zero id. Got my voter registration card in the mail with zero problems.,
      - http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZ5BM5GNLA54OADSWGSXAMA7SY Jay
        There’s no evidence that TX needs voter ID laws in the first place. They already have the lowest turnout in the nation. And you mean to tell me they need to check it with badly outdated technology?
        That’s just a recipe for disaster.
    - SCSIwuzzy
      What percentage of illegal immigrants would be classified as latino?
      - http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZ5BM5GNLA54OADSWGSXAMA7SY Jay
        From the article itself:
        93 percent of those arrested are Latinos, even though they account for 77 percent of the entire undocumented population
        83 percent of people arrested via Secure Communities are placed in Immigration and Customs Enforcement [ICE] detention; the average Department of Homeland Security immigration detention rate is 62 percent
        Only 24 percent of individuals arrested via Secure Communities had a lawyer present during an immigration hearing; in general, about 41 percent of all immigration court respondents do
      - jim_m
        The Secure Communities program was started in the Southwest where the percentage of Hispanic illegals would be higher. The study compares this to the national average, which is lower.
        Furthermore, getting a good statistic on the composition of the illegal community is problematic since they are not really available for census surveys. I find it a little unbelievable that Hispanics represent a lower fraction of illegals than they do legal immigrants since their opportunity for illegal crossing is significantly greater.
  - Tuttonelmondoeburla
    Maybe the wording should have been “Friday’s announcement angered anti-immigrant groups, among others, which complained that ….”. Strictly speaking, though, it is true that anti-immigrant groups were not pleased. There is a huge difference, though, between lacking in surgical precision and lying. Wizbang is generally oblivious to such distinctions in their rush to demonize the MSM.
    - 914
      Translation: If you cant lie like Obama, don’t lie at all.
    - herddog505
      Lacking in surgical precision? MiniTru? With all of their highly-educated journalists and layers of editors and fact-checkers? Surely, sir, you jest!
      /sarc
      I suggest that, as far as lefties are concerned, anti-illegal immigrant and anti-immigrant are they same. The rest of us know that this isn’t true, of course, but lefties often don’t get little distinctions like that.
  - ackwired
    If we go back a little further, when I was in grade school we were taught to be proud of our open borders. They were proof that we were not a threat to our neighbors. Of course, that was before we had an empire to defend. Even then we welcomed “illegal immigrant” workers from Mexico to come and work the low paying jobs in our country. If they ever caused an employer any trouble, he could just call immigrattion and get rid of them.
    - jim_m
      If they ever caused an employer any trouble, he could just call immigrattion and get rid of them.
      Everyone look at the leftist waxing nostalgic about the exploitation of minorities. And they call US the racists.
      - ackwired
        The point is that the US encouraged “illigal immigration” because it benefited the US employers. What the “rightists” point to today as sneaky illegals stealing from Americans was established and encouraged by the US government for the benefit of US employers.
        Sorry if I was too obtuse the first time I talked about this.
      - jim_m
        There is truth to the idea that these workers are exploited. The fact is that they are paid less because they are legally compromised.
        The left loves to claim that illegals take jobs that they claim Americans won’t do. That’s pure BS. The fact is that illegals do jobs that Americans will do if paid the reasonable wage that a legal worker is entitled to.
        What it boils down to is the left advocating for the continued exploitation of minorities. Par for the course for the party that tried to secede from the union.
      - http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZ5BM5GNLA54OADSWGSXAMA7SY Jay
        
        The left loves to claim that illegals take jobs that they claim Americans won’t do. That’s pure BS. The fact is that illegals do jobs that Americans will do if paid the reasonable wage that a legal worker is entitled to.
        Uhm… Immigration helps out the US immensely. The US is actually backwards in their policies regarding immigration.
      - jim_m
        I wasn’t denying that. But I will note that you say immigration and not illegal immigration.
      - http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZ5BM5GNLA54OADSWGSXAMA7SY Jay
        “In spite of the fact that they lack legal status, these immigrants — and their family members — are adding value to the U.S. economy; not only as taxpayers, but as workers, consumers, and entrepreneurs as well,” states the Immigration Policy Center in a press release.
        “Sales tax is automatic, so it is assumed that unauthorized residents would pay sales tax at similar rates to U.S. citizens and legal immigrants with similar income levels.”
        There’s still benefits to illegal immigration. Just sayin.
      - ackwired
        I’m sure that you know much more about the “left’s” stereotype position than I do. I see the left and the right twisting the facts to fit their prejudice. If you start witht the facts, you seldom agree totally with the right or the left. One of them might even try to convince you that party affiliation caused the civil war.
    - http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves
      Having a harder and harder time keeping the mask in place I see.
retired.military
I want to know what mechanisms Obama has in place to check to ensure that folks meet the requirements laid out in his plan. Oh wait. There arent any. So therefore anyone under 30 or so will get a work card. Great plan there Obama. It is working just like you wanted it.
914
“WHy don’t you ask Eric Holder why people have o show a photo ID to get into the Dept of Justice?”
Yeah really..
ID to run cartel arms to Mexico via Holder. Nah!! Who cares?? ID to ask the golfer in chief a pertinent question? A prerequisite as long as you keep your mouth shut, don’t stray from the script. And attend a $50,000 a plate jizzfest in honor of the Won!
914
This thread is so racist Grumpy is DOA
- http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/HL3635XCHO7RVRN2JMXPUJQXUY Steven
  Mexican is a race? Who knew?
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1110810355 Luke Knox
Jay I cant believe how stupid of a person you are. Who have zero brains.

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