Was Obama’s Mom A Betty Page Contemporary?

June 20, 2012 | Filed under Barack Obama | Posted by

We have no idea as to the veracity of this report on Barack Obama’s mother, Ann Dunham, but if it is actually true that’s kind of a big suprise, wouldn’t you say?

Do you think that if there was even a question about Mitt Romney’s mom appearing in nude and in S&M magazines in the 1950′s that you might have already heard some rumbling about that in mainstream media?

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  • Gmacr1

    I have nude B&W pics of her, not something 0 is going to be able to deny.
    Google or Bing are your friend, do your own leg work.
    Jeez, how to be polite about this…
    She was ‘frisky’ and ‘very’ outgoing.
    You do the math.

  • Gmacr1

    I have nude B&W pics of her, not something 0 is going to be able to deny.
    Google or Bing are your friend, do your own leg work.
    Jeez, how to be polite about this…
    She was ‘frisky’ and ‘very’ outgoing.
    You do the math.

    • http://www.rustedsky.net JLawson

      And everything in the bio of the “Playmate of the Month” was true, too!
      ;-)

      From what I’ve read, a lot of the porn industry of that time was controlled by organized crime. It was to feed fantasies – I wouldn’t put much credit into any personality profiles of the models… and I’d be dubious about the names, too.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Paul-Hooson/100002939023994 Paul Hooson

        Interestingly, JL, the old porn industry had to often make deals with organized crime controlled trucking companies to ship their magazines and 8mm films back in the old days, even if some small porn company had no connection to organized crime themselves.
        That copy of BIZARRE LIFE actually was from 1969, not the 1950′s, and Frank Marshall was a common pseudonym for a bondage and spanking novels author back in those days, but possibly was several persons, all of them most likely white. Frank Marshall Davis, a black poet and jazz music author was most active in the 1930′s and 40′s as an author, but did publish one sexually oriented book under the pseudonym, Bob Greene, back in 1968. Frank Marshall Davis was a friend of Obama’s grandfather according to Obama’s book, DREAMS OF MY FATHER.
        About the best that can be said for that copy of BIZARRE LIFE was that it was a pretty good bondage porn magazine for it’s time, and any copy in good condition should be worth as high as $25 today on Ebay, etc.
        There probably isn’t any real connection between Obama, the classic porn magazine, BIZARRE LIFE, ,Obama’s Mother or the black poet and jazz author, Frank Marshall Davis. However, classic porn like BIZARRE LIFE, like Betty Page, are always fascinating discussion, and collector’s items that command decent prices on Ebay in their original printings.
        This is probably the most publicity that BIZARRE LIFE has ever had. Even while new in 1969, it was a very obscure publication even among adult publications in this days, and a real oddball publication with a very small following. I once had a teacher in high school who sure looked just like some woman that ran an ad as a mistress looking for submissive men in the back of one of these type magazines. Don’t know if that was her or not, either?.

        • http://www.rustedsky.net JLawson

          That’s an interesting look at things, Paul – thank you for that historical note.

          Seems we lose track of small things like that so easily in history…

  • http://www.rustedsky.net JLawson

    I find those pictures strangely unarousing. And, frankly, at this point I’m not really sure I care who Obama’s real father is (or is not), or where he was born, or… pretty much anything about the pathetic sap – just that his sorry ass is booted out of office in November.

    Besides – Betty Page at least looked like she was enjoying what she was doing. This woman? I ain’t seeing it.

    • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

      Now you know the source of 0bama’s nearly perpetual scowl.

      • http://www.rustedsky.net JLawson

        Ow!

  • jim_m

    It is truly irrelevant to the fact that he is arguably the worst president in the history of our nation and is bent on destroying our democracy. In fact it’s a distraction. People should stop trying to make this tragedy of a President sympathetic.

    Who cares if Frank Marshall Davis was his real father? The communist was his mentor and shaped who he is. That ought to be damning enough.

    • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

      It does help to explain why 0bama is what he is… Rather a SCoaMF version of Rorschach…

      • http://www.rustedsky.net JLawson

        Wonder how many folks will catch the “Watchmen” reference?

        • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

          Only those with discernment and taste.

          • http://www.rustedsky.net JLawson

            Well, that lets ME out. ;-)

  • herddog505

    Kevin – Do you think that if there was even a question about Mitt Romney’s mom appearing in nude and in S&M magazines in the 1950′s that you might have already heard some rumbling about that in mainstream media?

    Rumbling? Hell, our resident lefties would be using it as evidence – categorical evidence, comrades – of how it twisted Romney’s childhood and made him the eeeeevil bloodsucking parasite of the working class that he is and therefore totally unfit to be president.

  • ackwired

    This is a pretty cheap shot, the kind of think I would expect to see on the Bill O’Reilly show.

    • http://www.rustedsky.net JLawson

      Funny thing about cheap shots, Ackwired…. once they start, there’s no stopping them.

      If this were someone in the Romney family, say a cousin or such, do you think that the folks in the DNC would hesitate a moment before plastering it around as widely as they could? That the standard ‘journalists’ on the left wouldn’t be showing it on their comedy shows? That Saturday Night Live wouldn’t turn it into a skit?

      I don’t. I wish I could think they would show some dignity and decorum, but the evidence to date is very much against it.

      And as I used to warn back before the 2008 election – the smear tactics that were used then meant that they’d have no cause to complain if they were used against a future Democratic candidate.

      • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

        Payback is a bitch.

        • ackwired

          We already know about your ethical standards.

          • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

            Says one who has none at all…

          • ackwired

            It was a personal insult written in a weak moment. Please4 accept my apology.

          • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

            Not a chance in hell.

          • ackwired

            No surprise.

        • ackwired

          We already know about your ethical standards.

        • ryan a

          If this dumb story is “payback” then the Republican strategists should go back to the drawing board. Sorry, but this one isn’t getting coverage from *anyone* because it’s so blatantly stupid.

          • retired.military

            You mean like Romney is a Mormon and Mormons committed a massacare 160 years ago isnt stupdy!!!!
            BTW Ryan. I had a friend tell me that that Lydon larouche posters of Obama with a Hitler moustache was racist.

            Maybe the MSM isnt covering it because they dont have solid proof. (*cough BUsh NG papers *cough). As I stated above. I faxed the photos and details to CBS from a Kinkos in Tx . Lets see if they run the story.

          • ryan a

            “You mean like Romney is a Mormon and Mormons committed a massacare 160 years ago isnt stupdy!!!!”

            That WaPo story was totally stupid, yes. So we agree on that.

      • ryan a

        “If this were someone in the Romney family, say a cousin or such, do you think that the folks in the DNC would hesitate a moment before
        plastering it around as widely as they could?”

        You’re probably right that folks on the DNC side would more than likely do the same thing. But that’s not really an excuse–or is it? I mean, this post is really scraping the bottom of the barrel, IMO.

        “I wish I could think they would show some dignity and decorum, but the evidence to date is very much against it.”

        Apply this^^ to all sides, and we’re in total agreement, JLawson.

        • http://www.rustedsky.net JLawson

          I think that past decorum and dignity in politics is much more of a fictional construct than any actual reality, unfortunately. At best one side can TRY to be more dignified than the other, but as the saying goes it takes two countries to make a peace, only one to make a war.

          I think in the ’90s, however, things weren’t anywhere near so bad. It was the 2000 election that really shoved the left into full-out do-anything-necessary-to-win smear mode, and now they’re reaping the consequences. (And for another look at things, cast your eyes over at… http://jezebel.com/5919987/mitt-romneys-fancy-horse-is-worth-more-than-your-entire-family – Compare and contrast, if you can stand it. That whole site is a look into thought processes quite alien to me… lol)

          Anyhow, the politics of personal attacks are the norm at present, and I don’t see it changing, much as I’d like it to.

          • ackwired

            Dirty politics has been around since George Washington stepped down. So “payback” has been an excuse for a long time. It’s no excuse. Take a stand against it, regardless of who is guilty of it.

          • jim_m

            There is no point in taking a stand against it when there is absolutely no one on the left who will take a reciprocal stand. The left has no moral compass and will stop at nothing to destroy a political opponent. We saw that with Rathergate, which some on the left still cling to as being “fake but accurate”.

          • herddog505

            Yep.

            Swift Boat vets point out inconsistencies in Jean-Francois’ story? “LIARS! HATERS! SMEARING AN HONORABLE HERO!!!”

            SWATting right-wing bloggers and perhaps getting them and their families killed? “Just a p*ssing contest involving some small-time blogs.”

            Doctoring video to make it look like Mitt Romney said one thing when he clearly meant something else? “Meh; no big deal. Faux News does it all the time!”

            And, of course, the Bush / TXANG “memo”.

            When libs start yapping about “civility” (ALWAYS a one-way street), you know you’ve hit paydirt, so it’s usually well to keep digging.

            And speaking of civility, here’s one of our favorite lefties and major Barry contributor, Bill “C*nt” Maher:

            The idea that the blame for our government’s dysfunction is equally shared by the parties just is a giant, steaming mound of horsesh*t and anyone who has paid attention to politics over the last 20 years knows it. Or as I like to call it, “The Rise of the Party of the Apes.”

            This lovable paragon of tolerance and civility then went on to make a few remarks about Allen West:

            And not one Republican said, “Allen, come on. You’re making us look dumb.” Not one of the Republican candidates for president said anything. Because in today’s Republican Party, that’s not even edgy anymore. They probably saw him later on and were like, “Word, Allen. Word.” Because that’s how they think black people talk.

            http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/20/allen-west-bill-maher-gop-apes_n_1612909.html?utm_hp_ref=slidepollajax

          • ryan a

            For me this isn’t even about civility…things are just getting a little stupid on all sides. The editing of what Romney said, this dumb rumor about Obama’s mom…give me a break. And I’ll agree that the Dems are just as much to blame as anyone. I am no fan of Sarah Palin by any stretch, but that was another case where people went absolutely overboard with this kind of crap.

            And at some point we all need to just step back and call out folks for this crap no matter who pays their check. But, seeing as how the elections are rapidly approaching, I only expect to see more of this stuff. Oh goody, now the nation can vote based upon stupid rumors and lies rather than silly little things like economic policies and the like. We might as well just put everything into a three-ring circus and do away with pretending that anyone takes any of this seriously.

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZ5BM5GNLA54OADSWGSXAMA7SY Jay

            Welcome to the hell that is Citizens United and Super PACs instead of a focus on actual policies…

          • retired.military

            Whereas without them we could just hear the accusations of racsim on MSM. Always directed against republicans. I dont seem to hear you complaining about all the union money goign to the Dems.
            “instead of a focus on actual policies”
            Say a word against Obama’s policies and you are immediately branded a racist. So much for talking about actual policies.

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZ5BM5GNLA54OADSWGSXAMA7SY Jay


            Whereas without them we could just hear the accusations of racsim on MSM.

            How’s the conservative policy on drugs, Latinos, and blacks in jail working out? Anything to help with those minorities? Any plans? If not, then the racism card is turning from a yellow to a red one.

            I dont seem to hear you complaining about all the union money goign to the Dems.

            What unions? The private ones are gone and the public ones are about to go the way of the dodo. Maybe if we could see who’s donating we could talk about who’s doing what and who’s bad or good.

            Say a word against Obama’s policies and you are immediately branded a racist.

            Bullshit. I’ve criticized Obama’s policies a helluva lot. Try again RM.

          • jim_m

            Since most blacks are in jail for black-on-black crimes I am guessing that you do not see any need to prosecute people for crimes against blacks.

            Don’t look now, but your racism is showing again.

          • Jwb10001

            Oh yes it’s all Citizens United, MSPMS, NBC, CBS, Media Matters etc. would never engage in nastyiness. PLEASE!

          • retired.military

            Ryan
            THe editing of Romney was on a major news station. This thing about Obama’s mom. Nowhere in site as far as the MSM goes. Romney being a mormon and mormons committing massacres 160+ years ago on MSM. This story. Nada. Reporter asks Obama a question and he is a racist. Answer to that question not given. HOlder held in contempt. Racism. Holder complying with a congressional subpoena. Nada. Being against Obamacare. Racism. “we have to pass the bill to find out what is in it”
            Blatant double standards.

          • http://www.rustedsky.net JLawson

            Well, if we’re looking at economic policies (and, by extension, budgets passed) then Obama’s gonna be calling the movers. If we’re looking at diplomatic and foreign policy success – Obama’s calling the movers. If we’re looking at energy policies and how well they’ve worked… you get my drift.

            Yeah, we all need to step back and call out the idiots. But as I say to the Voluntary Human Extinction Movement folks, and Al Gore whenever he spouts his foolishness about how we’ve got to do with less because of rising sea levels while he buys a seaside mansion – “You first.”

          • Jwb10001

            So easy to cry foul and beg for civility when you’re side is getting kicked around isn’t it? When your guy won the presidency he became the target and you don’t like it. The reaction is always racist or sexist or some other bull shit. The shoe is now on the other foot, you dished it out now you’re just going to have to take it. When Romney is president you all can go back to attack dog mode.

          • herddog505

            Yep.

            Swift Boat vets point out inconsistencies in Jean-Francois’ story? “LIARS! HATERS! SMEARING AN HONORABLE HERO!!!”

            SWATting right-wing bloggers and perhaps getting them and their families killed? “Just a p*ssing contest involving some small-time blogs.”

            Doctoring video to make it look like Mitt Romney said one thing when he clearly meant something else? “Meh; no big deal. Faux News does it all the time!”

            And, of course, the Bush / TXANG “memo”.

            When libs start yapping about “civility” (ALWAYS a one-way street), you know you’ve hit paydirt, so it’s usually well to keep digging.

            And speaking of civility, here’s one of our favorite lefties and major Barry contributor, Bill “C*nt” Maher:

            The idea that the blame for our government’s dysfunction is equally shared by the parties just is a giant, steaming mound of horsesh*t and anyone who has paid attention to politics over the last 20 years knows it. Or as I like to call it, “The Rise of the Party of the Apes.”

            This lovable paragon of tolerance and civility then went on to make a few remarks about Allen West:

            And not one Republican said, “Allen, come on. You’re making us look dumb.” Not one of the Republican candidates for president said anything. Because in today’s Republican Party, that’s not even edgy anymore. They probably saw him later on and were like, “Word, Allen. Word.” Because that’s how they think black people talk.

            http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/20/allen-west-bill-maher-gop-apes_n_1612909.html?utm_hp_ref=slidepollajax

          • ackwired

            Nobody to stand for ethical behavior on the left and nobody to stand for ethical behavior on the right. Where do you suppose this is taking our country?

          • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

            You who have sown the wind have no right to complain of the whirlwind.

          • Commander_Chico

            Where do you suppose this is taking our country?

            The same place it brought Germany in 1933.
            Chico has a Plan B to GTFO, live in a free and sane place.

          • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

            Don’t let the doorknob hit you in the ass on your way out.

          • Commander_Chico

            I’ll be living in some nice place, maybe some socialist hellhole like the Algarve or Costa del Sol and you’ll be dodging riots and police checkpoints, Rodney.

            I hope the USG will deposit my reserve retirement check; if not, I’ll manage.

            I’ll be thinking of you and laughing. As it’s been said: living well is the best revenge.

          • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

            Why wait? Beat the trend.

          • Jwb10001

            Like where?

          • jim_m

            Where do you suppose this is taking our country?

            Pretty much where the left have been driving it.

          • ackwired

            The “left” has not been in charge since 1980. How long are you going to take refuge in blaming them for our problems?

          • jim_m

            Gee I must have missed the part where controling the WH, the Congress and a filibuster proof majority in the Senate was “not being in control”. What kind of a fool are you?

          • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

            A willfully ignorant one.

          • http://www.rustedsky.net JLawson

            There’s a song about that.

            http://www.lyricstime.com/sammy-davis-jr-what-kind-of-fool-am-i-lyrics.html

            Maybe he needs a girlfriend?

          • ackwired

            Let’s just say I’m not foolish enough to blame all of our country’s problems on one party or another having had a majority for two years.

          • jim_m

            Nobody is claiming that all of the country’s woes are the fault of the dems. The GOP has contributed as well. The difference is that the dems have veered off into the far left where their leaders are openly espousing a desire to eradicate capitalism, declaring that capitalism has failed.

            When a political party declares that the way this country has been run for the last 236 years is and has always been a failure and that we should abandon it, they are justly deserving of whatever blame they receive for the current problems we face.

            Such a position is borne solely of deep historical and economic ignorance, an ignorance that is extremely dangerous.

          • retired.military

            Well if it gets Obama out of office we have nowhere to go but up. Again you arent addressing the point of the thread. DOUBLE STANDARDS BY THE MSM.

          • ackwired

            There is very little journalism left, and the political extremes are trying to kill it.

          • http://www.rustedsky.net JLawson

            A lack of standing for ethical behavior on the left is the proximate cause of the right’s decision to behave the same way.

            But things shift, and shift rapidly in our country. We don’t get locked in as easily as you might think. We went from destroying countries to rebuilding them in short order after WW2 after all.

            All it’ll take is for the left to go “You know this shit we’re advocating? And that we’ve been doing? It doesn’t work, and it’s hurting the country, and even though we believe in what we’re doing we can see that it’s having consequences we didn’t foresee. And those consequences actually nullify the good we’re trying to do. So we’re going to rethink things, and maybe figure out something that actually works instead of simply stroking our ideological preconceptions.”

            Which, of course, will never happen. The left is determined to save us, whether it’s a good idea or not.

          • jim_m

            The left isn’t determined to save anything. They are bent on destroying what we have because they resent it and fear it. They fear the public because the public doesn’t think like they do. They resent our freedoms because our freedoms keep them from oppressing us.

          • http://www.rustedsky.net JLawson

            But freedom is slavery. They’re just trying to save us from it.

            /sarc, as if you couldn’t guess.

            They ARE, I think, trying to do good by their own preconceptions. They’ve got ideas about how the world should be, and if those ideas were followed they think they’ll get what they want.

            They’ve had 6 years so far. (I’m counting since the 2006 elections when the Dems took the House and Senate.)

            Things aren’t getting better. But when their idea of ‘good’ consists of shoving the economy in a blender and hitting “liquify” (for all the best reasons, of course) how could it?

          • ackwired

            I’m sure when everyone sees things the same way you do, all problems will be solved. Until then, the ends justifies the means.

          • http://www.rustedsky.net JLawson

            Get you, Chico, Jay, Grumpy and Brucehenry together and you could run the world, couldn’t ya?

            Here’s what I think, overall.

            The left believes they’ve got all the answers, and will force them on anyone who’ll stand still long enough. They don’t care whether the answers are right, they don’t care if they work. They care that the answers are in line with their ideology and their intentions, and the feasibility or viability of their answers do not matter one bit.

            And they don’t care whether the people they want to impose the answers on even WANT their answers – they know what’s good for you, they will impose them on you, and you will not have any say in the matter. Pass that bill, THEN you can read it. You WILL not have any say in it.

            Intentions trump everything else, for the left.

            The right thinks they’ve got some answers – but they’re willing to let people work out for themselves what works and what doesn’t. Results are a lot more important than intentions, and what doesn’t work usually doesn’t get kept.

            The left is ideologically based, and very grudgingly admit reality has some effects.

            The right understands reality isn’t kind and forgiving, and severely limits what can actually be done.

            Two halves of the pendulum swing. You can’t tie it to one side or the other – it has to keep passing through the center so the arc is balanced.

            As it is, it’ll take quite a while to undo the last 6 years.

          • ackwired

            Your characterization of the right and left is not all that bad. I would change the 6 year period to 12 years, though. It is really hard to find much difference between the W administration and the Obama administration.

          • http://www.rustedsky.net JLawson

            I think we’re going to need about 20 years or more to recover from what Obama, Pelosi and Reid have done in the last 6 to the economy. Then we’ll worry about the previous administration.

          • Commander_Chico

            Chico could run the world all on his own.

          • http://www.rustedsky.net JLawson
          • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

            Now if we can just get him to move there…

          • jim_m

            There is no point in taking a stand against it when there is absolutely no one on the left who will take a reciprocal stand. The left has no moral compass and will stop at nothing to destroy a political opponent. We saw that with Rathergate, which some on the left still cling to as being “fake but accurate”.

          • retired.military

            Every time the right takes the high ground it is shoved down their throats by the mud slinging lying left.

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZ5BM5GNLA54OADSWGSXAMA7SY Jay

            Did we just watch the same Republican debates and all of the mud slinging from the right wing on each other that was far different from what was around during Bush Sr’s time?

          • retired.military

            Jay
            I didnt want the debates. I had a feeling ROmney was going to to win and I already knew about the candidates long before they go put on a meaningless show. What exactly did they say that wasnt true? Please enlighten me with quotes. If they said anything about how bad a president Obama is than here is a clue. It wasnt a lie.

            Just listen to the MSM Jay. Anyone who criticizes Obama is branded a racist no matter what complaint they have. That should give you a clue.

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZ5BM5GNLA54OADSWGSXAMA7SY Jay

            I’m referring to the mudslinging, not the references to Obama.

          • ackwired

            And vice versa. An eye for an eye can only end up with the whole world being blind.

          • jim_m

            And Ghandi, who is the source for that, wanted to leave Hitler alone. Not exactly a pillar of good sense on that occasion.

          • ackwired

            You are correct that it is a paraphrase of a Ghandi quote. He was a human being, and I’m sure that nobody agrees with everything he did or said. But his math was pretty good in this instance.

          • retired.military

            I would rather be blind in both eyes and free than blind in one eye and a slave.

          • retired.military

            Every time the right takes the high ground it is shoved down their throats by the mud slinging lying left.

          • http://www.rustedsky.net JLawson

            You know, at one point I’d have agreed with you. To take a stand, to serve as an example.

            Not any more. I saw what that got in the Bush years. It wasn’t a matter of if he was doing the right things – it was far more important to tear him down any way possible so the Dems could get power.

            I watched for 8 years while the idiots inside the Beltway who didn’t have any clue about what to do on the WoT did everything they could to convince the world that Bush was wrong about everything he did. And Bush was silent, taking the constant attacks with pretty good grace for the most part.

            In 2006, the Democrats managed to convince people that the economy was in such bad shape, the only way to fix it was to get the Democrats in charge. That’s worked out pretty well, hasn’t it? We’ve gone from 5% unemployment to who the hell knows – if you were to count all the folks who’ve dropped out of the labor force we’d be looking at what, 12%? 15%? 20%?

            We’ve watched the housing bubble get blamed on Bush because he didn’t push regulation on Fannie and Freddie, but the moron overseeing it – Barney Frank – kept insisting there was nothing wrong, no need to oversee, no need to regulate. It was all fine – until, suddenly, it wasn’t.

            So the cure was to elect a Democrat as President in 2008. A Democrat who had no real political experience outside the Chicago machine, no financial experience, no leadership experience, no management experience, no diplomatic experience – what could POSSIBLY go wrong with handing the country over to a Democratic House and Senate with such a sterling President?

            Oh, and he’s also got a hate-on for non-green energy. Can’t forget that…

            Forgive me if I think that at this point the stand that should be taken is to get Republicans in control of the House, Senate, and White House in November – and to expose every damn dirty trick, every bribe, every kickback, every corrupt deal any Democrat’s done. I’m hoping like hell I’m wrong, but I think Holder’s the tip of a very ugly, very nasty iceberg.

            And if Holder cracks – we’re going to see stuff that’ll make the worst accusations against Bush look trivial. Figure Obama’s going to be screaming “Executive Privilege!” almost constantly.

            As Jim_m pointed out – to the left, all tactics are perfectly justifiable. The only – ONLY – important thing is to win. No matter the cost – because the folks who push such actions aren’t the ones that have to pay it, for all their talk about ‘Shared Sacrifice’ and crap like that.

            So – take a stand against it? No. The rules have been laid out. What’s ‘legal’ has been established, what is acceptable has been defined. Like it or not, things aren’t going back to “Democrats can do what they want, while Republicans dare not say anything.”

            Screw that.

            The pendulum always swings back. The further it’s pushed one way, the further it goes the other.

            You might find this link funny. I do. And think it rather appropriate, too.

            http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BewareTheNiceOnes

            You gotta watch out for the patient ones. When they get fed up with the status quo, somehow ‘decorum’ just goes right out the window.

          • ackwired

            Well, you’ve declared yourself.

          • http://www.rustedsky.net JLawson

            As the saying goes, don’t ask questions you don’t want the answers to. My reserves of patience are much less than they used to be, as is my willingness to put up with manifest stupidity from people who don’t seem to grasp the concept that SOMEONE has to pay the damn bills they so gleefully rack up on our credit card for worthless crap like windmills and junked cars, and union bailouts, and bills you have to pass to find out what’s in them, and we won’t even talk about how observant they aren’t of such things as the law…

            Get my drift? My trust in the good will and fiscal competence of the left has been severely eroded, My trust in the good will of individuals on the left is still fairly intact, but once they get into a group the collective respects no limits on integrity or fiscal sanity.

          • ackwired

            Dirty politics has been around since George Washington stepped down. So “payback” has been an excuse for a long time. It’s no excuse. Take a stand against it, regardless of who is guilty of it.

          • ryan a

            “I think that past decorum and dignity in politics is much more of a fictional construct than any actual reality, unfortunately.”

            You’re right. Henry VIII is a case in point that “the good old days” of respect and decorum probably never were. I guess we can expect them all to act like pre-schoolers as a matter of course.

            “I think in the ’90s, however, things weren’t anywhere near so bad…”

            The 1890s? Just kidding. I hear you. We have talked about this before: the political climate these days in the USA is pretty bad. The best we can do is try not too get too caught up in it all.

            “Anyhow, the politics of personal attacks are the norm at present, and I don’t see it changing, much as I’d like it to.”

            Ya, I agree about the futility of it all. But I still think this is a dumb post ;)

          • http://www.rustedsky.net JLawson

            I don’t think this post is terribly relevant – but I DID use to buy the occasional issue of “Weekly World News” from time to time.

            For the articles. I swear.

            ;-)

          • retired.military

            You think it is a dumb post because you are looking at the small details (it suppsedly being Obama;s mom) instead of the reason for the thread. MSM liberal bias and their continuing campaign to get Obama reelected and cover up anything and everything that may even remotely make him look bad.

            I think the MSM printing stories about Romney being a mormon and BTW mormons massacred someone 160 years ago. Neither story has anything to do with the ability of Obama or Romney to be President. So waht si the difference? One was printed in the MSM (the one trying to take a swat at the right) and one was totally ignored (the one that may raise uncomfortable questions with Obama).

          • ryan a

            “So [what is] the difference? One was printed in the MSM…”

            Look RM, I get the point you’re making. So tell me this: why is it that even Fox isn’t covering this story? If there is really something here, then why aren’t they at least picking it up? Because there’s nothing to it and it’s not going to get any traction. It’s a really stupid story, there’s no proof, it’s all loose conjecture, and it’s laden with really tenuous conspiracies. I don’t know…maybe that’s why NOBODY is picking it up. But maybe you should email the news desk at Fox and ask them what’s up and why they aren’t sending their best crew to figure this one out.

            PS: There are PLENTY of things to focus on [like the economy] for anyone who wants to criticize Obama. More than plenty. Giving air time to stupid crap like this only makes people who are peddling it look foolish, if you ask me. Jeez. Focus on something that has weight…because in all honesty who even cares about something like this? It’s stupid. If you think it’s really, really important news that the world needs to know about, by all means join the cause. I’m not going to stop you–I was just expressing my view that this kinda “journalism” is ridiculously lame.

            Again, I get the larger point you are trying to make about media and all of that. My point is this: this kinda crap is surely not the way to marshal some serious critique of Obama, because it’s so blatantly BS nobody is going to pay attention.

        • retired.military

          How can you apply it to both sides when you have the MSM covering Obama’s ass like flies on shit. Look at the Bush NG papers 3 weeks before the election. If this was Romney;s mom than this would be front page news on the NY Times complete with pictures.

          • ryan a

            “How can you apply it to both sides…”

            Look, I understand your point here. I apply it to both sides because it’s not beneath certain folks in both camps. It’s pretty simple. Both sides do this crap, and then get all high and mighty when the tables are turned. Talk about fake indignation.

            “If this was Romney;s mom than this would be front page news on the NY Times complete with pictures.”

            I’d still think it was a stupid story that belongs in the gutter. I mean, come on, this one ranks pretty low on the journalism scale if you ask me. Trying to link these pics to Obama’s mom AND some commie from Chicago is insane. Hell, the pics don’t even look like her.

          • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

            Show were you have protested such tactics by the Democrats.

          • ryan a

            What is the average air speed of an unladen swallow?

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZ5BM5GNLA54OADSWGSXAMA7SY Jay

            Is it African or European?

          • ryan a

            exactly.

          • http://www.rustedsky.net JLawson

            And just how does it carry a coconut, anyway?

          • ryan a

            By the HUSK JLawson, by the husk!!!

          • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

            About what your record here would indicate in terms of an actual answer to the question.

          • ryan a

            Says Rodney, who refuses to answer direct questions all the time. Tell me, Rodney, what’s your opinion about Warner’s theory regarding the TEA Party being the first truly grassroots political movement in American history? Given that one any thought yet? Or are you still dodging?

            Here’s your answer: if you actually read any of my comments around here since about 2005 (instead of automatically posting your little troll remarks), you’d probably figure out that I’m not really one for gutter politics–and I could care less which side it comes from. Feel free to ask around if you have any doubts. This post about Obama’s mother is stupid, just as the WaPo piece about Romney was stupid. I just think it’s foolish and stupid. I mean, it seems to be that there is a lot more to talk about than fake porno pics of Obama’s mother and some half-assed attempt to link Romney to an 1800s massacre in Arkansas. It’s all gutter politics…but I suppose some folks think it’s entertaining…or something.

            Now the next step is up to you. You can either engage in conversation like an adult, or continue trolling like a dolt. Up to you.

          • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

            Who knew? You can read!

            As I told you before, I owe you less than nothing in terms of answers.

            And you still have not SHOWN a comment in which you condemn such tactics by democrats.

          • ryan a

            Adult conversation FAIL for Mr Graves. I see you choose option B (more trolling) rather than engaging in conversation like an adult. Oh well, that’s what I get for giving you a chance to actually communicate. Good luck.

          • ryan a

            “And you still have not SHOWN a comment in which you condemn such tactics by democrats.”

            Since evidence and reality tend to make you back off from your stupid trolling, here you go Rodney, a few examples from the recent past here on the W-Bang:

            Here’s one from an insane game some fool made about shooting people from the TEA Party:

            http://wizbangblog.com/2011/09/07/who-wants-to-shoot-sarah-palin/#comment-304268746

            Another one from a post about the stalker who was harassing Palin:

            http://wizbangblog.com/2011/09/24/breitbart-you-magnificent-bastard-you-read-their-book/#comment-318970658

            Another Palin post:

            ryan a:

            “I agree that the political smear campaigns against Palin are totally repugnant. Absolutely. This kind of crap has gone way too far–and the partisans on both sides eat it up like candy.”

            http://wizbangblog.com/2011/09/15/todd-palin-addresses-the-smears-the-innuendo-the-latest-falsehoods-about-his-wife/#comment-312130095

          • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

            Only the first is not a temporizing “they all do it” condemnation.

          • ryan a

            As usual, it is a complete waste of time to respond to you, Graves. Good luck.

          • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

            Life goes on [more pleasantly], without you…

          • ryan a

            Rodney Graves: The institutionalized troll here at W-bang. Well done, Rodney, well done.

          • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

            ryan a: We all know what the “a” stands for…

          • retired.military

            You must be blind if you dont think they look like her. Check out her wiki page photo.
            I agree that this is in the gutter ryan but the topic once again is WHY HASNT THE MSM media even covered the allegation? Oh wait that’s right. They are too busy writing articles that ROmeny is a Mormon and Mormons committed a massacre 160+ years ago Again. You are tryig to divert attention from the point of the thread. It isnt the allegations of Obama’s mom doing naughty pictures as that has NOTHING to do with Obama being able to do the job of president. You kow sorta like the fact that Romney is a Mormon and Mormons committed a massacre 160+ years ago has nothing to do with Romney’s ability to be President. It has everything to do wtih the compliant MSM not reporting the story.when they find time to report the Mormon Massacrae story.
            You may say that the media woudnt report sucha sleazy story with little factual evidence to back it up against a sitting .President. (*Cought Bush NG papers 3 weeks prior to the election *cough). . To prove my point I have faxed a copy of the pictuers and relevenat information to CBS news from a Kindo’s in Tx. Care to hold your breath to see how long before the pick up the story?

          • ryan a

            “You must be blind if you dont think they look like her. Check out her wiki page photo.”

            Ya, I’ve seen the pic on the wiki page, and I think these pics don’t look like her at all. Go look at the rest of the pics of her online and get back to me.

            “I agree that this is in the gutter ryan but the topic once again is WHY
            HASNT THE MSM media even covered the allegation? Oh wait that’s right.
            They are too busy writing articles that ROmeny is a Mormon and Mormons
            committed a massacre 160+ years ago Again.”

            The WaPo piece about Romney was similarly straight from the gutter and totally stupid. Why hasn’t the media covered this story about these pics? Well, they do cover all the birther stuff well enough…but maybe this story is just a little too insane. I don’t know, maybe you should ask the editors at Fox news and MSNBC why their crack reporters aren’t all over this one.

          • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

            I deleted your second tap of this comment.

          • retired.military

            And you would still have Romney’s mom’s pictures on the front page of the NY times with MSNBC giving out the link on the air on where to go for the pictures without the bars covering strategic parts. Hell Matthews would probalby talk about his tingly leg again.

          • ryan a

            And I would still think it’s totally stupid.

      • ackwired

        You seem to be saying that it is acceptable for the R’s to do it because you think the D’s would do it if they could. That does not sound like a very high ethical standard.

        • jim_m

          Not think. We know from experience. Alinsky said that the only unethical use of a means is the non use of a means, so why not turn their own tactics against them?

          The difference between the left and the right is that the right isn’t making their shit up.

          • ryan a

            Well…………I think this Ann Dunham—->porno pics—->Frank Marshall Davis’ living room—>commie conspiracy story just might qualify for the “making shit up” category. Come on, this one’s pretty dodgy jim.

          • jim_m

            Um, you have proof that it’s faked? Then let’s hear it. I have no problem denouncing this as fake if there is proof. Heck, I’m the one who complained that this distracted from what a loser obama was in the first place. Let’s get back to talking about how he is an anti-capitalist, anti-democratic, wannabe thug dictator.

          • ryan a

            “Um, you have proof that it’s faked?”

            Well, the guy who made this dumb video has nothing besides conjecture. He has no proof at all, just some insane ideas that he’s trying to link together using some photos that don’t even look like Ann Dunham. The burden of proof, if you ask me, should be on the idiot who made this film. It’s not a matter of being “faked,” but about spreading insane, unsubstantiated conjectures and lies. But hey, if you buy this story more power to you.

        • jim_m

          Not think. We know from experience. Alinsky said that the only unethical use of a means is the non use of a means, so why not turn their own tactics against them?

          The difference between the left and the right is that the right isn’t making their shit up.

        • retired.military

          There is no doubt the dems would do it. They prove it ALL THE TIME. Or do you think the reporter that asked Obama a question a the Immigration press conference is really racist? If you dont then why dont you go tell the MSM media and the major Dem websites.

          • ackwired

            You seem to be saying that it is acceptable for the R’s to do it because you think the D’s would do it if they could. That does not sound like a very high ethical standard.

        • retired.military

          There is no doubt the dems would do it. They prove it ALL THE TIME. Or do you think the reporter that asked Obama a question a the Immigration press conference is really racist? If you dont then why dont you go tell the MSM media and the major Dem websites.

        • http://www.rustedsky.net JLawson

          Ethics?

          The only time the D’s talk about how important ethical standards are is about the time they realize they’re about to get ripped for the crap they’ve pulled.

          They’ve established the rules of the game at this point. Don’t whine because the rules both sides play by aren’t to your liking.

          • ackwired

            Are the standards to your liking?

          • http://www.rustedsky.net JLawson

            Funny thing – nobody bothered to ask me beforehand what sort of standards I wanted to see our politicians maintain.

            Now the accepted ethical standard seems to be that the left can wield a baseball bat with impunity while the right has to have their hands cuffed behind their back.

            As I said before, screw that.

          • ackwired

            Yeah, I hear liberals say the same thing. What you see depends on where you stand.

        • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

          Says one who wouldn’t recogognize an ethical standard if it walked up and slapped him in the face (as any such standard worthy of the name would).

          • ackwired

            Projection.

          • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

            Denial.

      • ackwired

        You seem to be saying that it is acceptable for the R’s to do it because you think the D’s would do it if they could. That does not sound like a very high ethical standard.

    • ryan a

      Hmmm. To me this post has a certain “National Enquirer” feel to it.

      • jim_m

        Wasn’t it the Enquirer that broke the John Edwards story?

        They are getting a better rep for reporting news than the NYT.

        • ryan a

          Haha. Good point Jim. I think they got some journalism award for the Edwards reporting or something. So you got me there. But, I have to admit when I think of the Enquirer I always think of insane covers with Bat Boy from Mars and all that shit.

          • http://www.rustedsky.net JLawson

            That was the “Weekly World News”.

            And the girls they displayed were hotter than This discovered photo spread. In my humble opinion, of course…

        • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

          Faint praise, that.

      • jim_m

        Wasn’t it the Enquirer that broke the John Edwards story?

        They are getting a better rep for reporting news than the NYT.

      • Commander_Chico

        Actually, when it appears in the Enquirer I’ll pay attention. They have a decent rep.

    • herddog505

      Remark about Bill O’Reilly aside, I have to agree. I don’t know whether Barry’s mother posed for these pics, I really don’t care, and I frankly don’t see why anybody else would, either (unless they’ve got a fetish for B&W pr0n).

      There’s PLENTY of reason to note vote for the SCOAMF; no need to try to drag his commie mother into it.

      • http://www.rustedsky.net JLawson

        There’s some vintage B&W stuff that’s quite good, and quite erotic… once you get past that the models are now either old enough to be your mother (no matter what age you are) or long dead, or both.

        This, however, is not that vintage B&W stuff. At least to me. (Given the wide range of human sexuality, I’m sure it floats someone’s boat out there. But then, I still find some of the late ’70s, early ’80s porn appealing, so who am I to talk?)

        • herddog505

          Hey, you find me a guy who DOESN’T like Seka, and I’ll find you a guy who needs help!

          • http://www.rustedsky.net JLawson

            She’s okay, but the really hot one for me, even after all these years, was Juliet Anderson. Seka was all pretty with no discernible personality – Juliet was actually a pretty good actress as well as a talented porn star.

            But – everyone to their own. If we all got turned on by the same thing, it’d be a pretty dull world.

        • herddog505

          Hey, you find me a guy who DOESN’T like Seka, and I’ll find you a guy who needs help!

    • LiberalNightmare

      Sarah Palin says shut up.

    • retired.military

      If it was Romney’s mom you would see it on the front page of the NY Times, LA Times, Chicago Tribune, ABC, NBC, CBS, MSNBC, CNN and every Sunday talk show on TV. The Obama campaign would be using footage in their campaign ads.

      Gee I seem to recall the rumors of Palin’s husband and daughter having an incestuous relationship which produced Trig. They didnt have pictures and magazines to back them up either.

    • retired.military

      If it was Romney’s mom you would see it on the front page of the NY Times, LA Times, Chicago Tribune, ABC, NBC, CBS, MSNBC, CNN and every Sunday talk show on TV. The Obama campaign would be using footage in their campaign ads.

      Gee I seem to recall the rumors of Palin’s husband and daughter having an incestuous relationship which produced Trig. They didnt have pictures and magazines to back them up either.

    • retired.military

      Hey remember the MSM reports of the nude painting of Palin (which she didnt model for) that the bar owner commissioned. How about the reports of Palin’s husband and daughter committing incest and the result was the handicapped baby? Talk about cheap shots.

      • ackwired

        Those are just as cheap and just as low.

  • retired.military

    The point here is not that it is Obama’s mom which is supposedly in the pics but the total lack of fairness in the MSM dealing with stories about the 2 candidates. You have this and then you have the MSM writing stories about Romney being a Mormon and you know how the Mormons massacred someone 160+ years ago.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZ5BM5GNLA54OADSWGSXAMA7SY Jay

      Please. Romney’s grandfather was a polygamist. His father was an immigrant. Further, his dad lead the EPA which Romney wants to destroy. There’s plenty to criticize in regards to Romney’s religion, his history, his record, his taxes and his lack of a core position.

      You can’t criticize both candidates in the same breath as if this is even an equivalent debate. What do we know about Romney other than he’s not fit to be president at all.

      Look, I know people still have that ABO rant going on. But seriously… When there was the Anyone but Bush rant came out, Bush got Kerry as an opponent and Kerry was criticized as the flip flopper. I swear it’s as if history is repeating itself and people just don’t pay attention that some people are just not fit for the presidency.

      • jim_m

        people just don’t pay attention that some people are just not fit for the presidency.

        Like obama and you still don’t recognize that despite the abundant evidence.

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZ5BM5GNLA54OADSWGSXAMA7SY Jay

          I’d prefer Obama to Romney. But again, I’m not voting for Obama anyway. And since my state isn’t a swing state, my vote doesn’t matter at all. So your ad homs don’t do anything to change my mind about who I support or how I know that my state will go for the presidency.

          • retired.military

            I prefer ROmney to Obama. I am voting for him (holding my nose doing it the same way I did with McCain). My state isnt a swing state but swing states dont matter. Obama will not get 45% of the vote or 200 EV because he is in so much over his head and people see it. THey may not say it for fear of being braneded a racist but they see it.

          • Idahoser

            I hate it so much that we keep letting the enemy stick us with these worthless RINO candidates, but I will vote for Rudy McRombee again like I did in ’08. In fact I doubt twelve people in this country will vote different than they did in ’08, and we will get the same result.

          • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

            Let’s see. It was 0bama by 6% (popular vote) in 2008 as I recall. I’ll take $100.00 of that action at 1:1.

          • Idahoser

            I don’t claim to predict the future, I just don’t see how anybody who voted for their loser is going to change their minds after seeing what everybody already knew back then. And we made sure our side is even less excited than back then with this candidate.
            Even if he does take it this time he will only hold the place for the next even bigger commie. He may give us slightly better supreme court justices but overall he will give us the same shaft, slower.

          • http://www.rustedsky.net JLawson

            I think my sister-in-law will be one of the 12. She couldn’t say enough good things about him before the election, and started saying less and less at the weeks went by. After about 6 months, she no longer allowed his name to be mentioned.

            Made family dinners much more pleasant, to be sure…

          • retired.military

            I have a good friend that was an adamant Obama supporter in 08. I talked with him yesterday and he stated that there was no way he would vote for Obama again. He stated that he had to do what was best for his family and Obama isnt it. On a side note he is African American.

      • retired.military

        Obama isnt fit for President. How do we know that Romeny’s grandfather was a polygamist? Hey the MSM reported it. WHy havent they reported this? Thanks for proving my poiint. We know plenty more about Romney than we did about Obama when he was running for 4 years. I dont like Romney but he is ABO and that makes him a damn site better than Obama any day fo the week and twice on Sunday.
        You sound desperate Jay.

        • http://www.rustedsky.net JLawson

          Yeah, I’m not voting so much FOR Romney as I am AGAINST Obama, for the candidate I think most likely to win.

          Protest votes are for fools who enjoy the status quo. I might be a fool at times, but the status quo? I do not enjoy it.

      • SCSIwuzzy

        You got any proof of that Jay? That Gaskel Romney had plural wives?

  • retired.military

    Grumpy must be either banned from this site (or he would be commenting) or else having some fond memories of wanking to the pictures of Obama’s mom.

    • jim_m

      He’s too busy licking his computer screen with a nude picture of obama’s mom on it.

      • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

        Unwanted Visual, loss of 15 yards, loss of down…

      • http://www.rustedsky.net JLawson

        Ewwww.

    • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

      TMI

    • Guest

      RM fantasizing about men masturbating. How telling…

  • retired.military

    Grumpy must be either banned from this site (or he would be commenting) or else having some fond memories of wanking to the pictures of Obama’s mom.

  • Commander_Chico

    Photoshopping someone’s mother is a new low.

    • http://www.rustedsky.net JLawson

      I think Andrew Sullivan’s the Marianas Trench bottom of political discourse. This is maybe off the continental shelf, but nowhere near record-setting.

      • Commander_Chico

        Really? Sullivan just wrote stuff, he didn’t photoshop someone’s dead mother onto porn pictures.

        But yeah, “conservative” values.

        • jim_m

          That’s right. Accusing someone’s husband of raping their teenage daughter and fathering her child is hardly anything to complain about. Persisting in pressing the lunatic belief that Trig was Bristol’s son is repugnant.

          Risque photos are one thing, utterly unfounded accusations of rape and incest are entirely another. No one is accusing Ann Dunham of such taboos. But then again, few people are the kind of low life scum that Andrew Sullivan and Chico are.

          • http://www.rustedsky.net JLawson

            I wouldn’t call Chico low-life scum.

            Give the man some credit. He’s obviously at least a chordate.
            ;-)

          • Commander_Chico

            I can’t imagine what it’s like to walk around seeing everything through rigid ideological glasses with no sense of humor.

          • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

            You don’t have to imagine, it’s your state of being.

          • Jwb10001

            Says the guy that sees corporated spys in his bedroom

        • http://www.rustedsky.net JLawson

          Right. Let’s see the proof it’s photoshopped. Or even legitimate speculation.

          Heck, even something as good as Charles Johnson’s proof that the ANG memos so touted by Rather were actually done in Microsoft Word off a laser printer.

          (Of course, that was an exceptional proof. And as one who’s done a lot of military paperwork in my time, as well as civilian paperwork, and worked with laser printers and MS Word… with paper cuts to prove it (lol) that ANG memo was fake as hell AND done in Word on a laser printer.)

          Sadly, that was before he took one too many headers off his bike…

          Bottom line? Screaming about ethics and a new low is just ludicrous at this point, It’s pretty clear what the standards are at this point.

          There are none. None at all.

          • Commander_Chico

            C’mon, the ones I saw, it was the same facial expression on like three pictures and there was some distortion in the head/face alignment.

          • Commander_Chico

            This isn’t even a new story, it’s from October 2008.

            http://gawker.com/5067359/obamas-naked-commie-mom-shock

          • http://www.rustedsky.net JLawson

            Seen quite a few photo spreads, and a lot of them have the same expression on ‘em until it seems like the photographer goes “Come on, smile, dammit!”

    • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

      [Citation required]

  • deltamary

    I first saw the naked pictures of his Mom BEFORE the election in 2008. There was a vast amount of info on the web, but no one wanted to check it out on their own. I wrote the sites down back then – and one by one started disappearing over a period of time AFTER the election. The picture in this article WAS NOT included. I do question –the chest here is much larger.

    • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

      Pregnancy, it is rumored, has been known to have that effect.

  • retired.military

    To all the lefties calling for civility. I give you Nancy Pelosi who claimed today that Holder’s pending contempt charge is based on the right’s desire to commit widespread voter suppression and oppress people’s civil rights (aka racism since African Americans and Hispanics are usually the ones who the left claims are having votes suppressed and civil rights violated).
    So once again. Why should the right try to play nice while the left is pulling every dirty trick in the book? Oh yeah because you are on the left and it benefits you.

  • TaterSalad

    The video that the Barack Obama told Fox News to pull because they “don’t like It”!

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