Not a Tax – Sure

June 28, 2012 | Filed under Categories | Posted by

Scott Stanis does political cartoons for the Chicago Tribune. He really summed up our frustration with this one:

Biggest tax increase in history, at least until the Bush tax cuts expire. Then it will be the second biggest. Both under his watch.

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  • Guest

    The mandate isn’t a tax. The penalty is. You can choose to not buy health care — a tax is mandatory, not optional.

    Only the penalty is a tax. The notion that this is ‘the largest tax hike in history” is just right wing BS. The actual amounf of money collected is going to be small, relatively speaking. You’d have to be an idiot to spend money on the tax instead o spending it on health care for your family.

    Yes, there are plenty of idiots on the right who will e stupid enough to pay the tax instead of helping their family, but thank god their number is small

    • Mr Kimber

      Tomato or Tomoto

    • Jwb10001

      So if I’m 20 years old in perfect health, making $50K per year and my employer is forced to drop my coverage because he can’t afford it, I’m forced to buy insurance against my will. It’s been declared this activity (individual mandate) is a tax? How is it then not a tax and worse yet, as Chico has asserted, it’s a tax paid to private company. You can twist up the BS any way you like to claim that only playing the penalty is tax the bottom line is the activity is mandatory the monies being paid are forced. What a worthless notion this is.

    • http://profiles.google.com/ozcar.da.grouch Ozcar Grouch

      For my monthly personal attack: I find it interesting that Grumpy uses the gay Oreo for his avatar. Out of the closet now?

      http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/06/oreo-pride-rainbow-stuffed-cookie-sparks-boycott/

    • http://profiles.google.com/ozcar.da.grouch Ozcar Grouch

      For my monthly personal attack: I find it interesting that Grumpy uses the gay Oreo for his avatar. Out of the closet now?

      http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/06/oreo-pride-rainbow-stuffed-cookie-sparks-boycott/

      • Guest

        I find it interesting that you’d give a shit whether I was gay or not.

        Why do you care? Are you interested in dating me?

        • http://profiles.google.com/ozcar.da.grouch Ozcar Grouch

          A question with a question. In my experience, that’s more often a yes than a no.

          I don’t. Just picking on the troll.

          No. Even if the gate did swing that way, you seem too shrill for my taste.

        • jim_m

          Why so defensive Grumps? It’s almost like you feel that there is something wrong with being gay. If so, you are the first one here to make that statement.

        • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

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    • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

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  • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

    The Supreme Court upheld 0bama care because it was a tax and taxation is a power granted to the Federal Government. Were it not a tax, it would have been unconstitutional and would have been overturned (per the decision).

    In so doing they also opened the door for a new legal challenge, as the 0bamacare bill that was passed and signed into law originated in the Senate.

    The precedent for the law as a tax also opens the way to overturning it via the same means (reconciliation) by which it was passed.

  • http://profiles.google.com/ozcar.da.grouch Ozcar Grouch

    So:

    - Obama & Co. can’t use the commerce clause to force me to buy insurance.

    - Obama & Co. deny the penalty is a tax.

    Okay, it’s a penalty.

    My (rhetorical) question is: “Where in the constitution does the gooberment get it’s authority to penalize me for NOT buying something?”

    • Guest

      If you don’t buy auto insurance you are penalized (fined) by most state governments.

      • http://profiles.google.com/ozcar.da.grouch Ozcar Grouch

        Apples and grapefruit. Romney’s dog has picked that one apart. But since you don’t seem to get out much, I’ll try again.

        “…you are penalized blah blah blah.”

        ONLY if you drive the car on the road/street/etc.

        How ’bout if you don’t have a car?

        And, as you stated yourself, that is the state(s) doing the penalizing. I don’t know what the 50 states’ individual constitutions say on the subject. I haven’t found it in mine, but I’m still looking. With that said, the US constitution lists the duties and powers of the US government, all three branches. It also states, in no uncertain terms that powers not delegated to the US government are reserved to the states or to the people; see the 10th Amendment, which probably answers the question of the states having that authority. Anyway, nowhere in the US Constitution is the power to penalized a citizen for NOT buying something/anything delegated. The government does have the authority, in the constitution, to tax. So, if (as Obama and his dogwashers maintain) the penalty really is a penalty and not a tax, where is the authority for said penalty.

      • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

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  • http://profiles.google.com/ozcar.da.grouch Ozcar Grouch

    So:

    - Obama & Co. can’t use the commerce clause to force me to buy insurance.

    - Obama & Co. deny the penalty is a tax.

    Okay, it’s a penalty.

    My (rhetorical) question is: “Where in the constitution does the gooberment get it’s authority to penalize me for NOT buying something?”

  • Guest

    Romney Adviser: Health Mandate Is Not a Tax

    That delicate disconnect was on display Monday when Mr. Fehrnstrom
    tried to explain the candidate’s position on MSNBC. Pressed by host Chuck Todd
    on what the likely GOP nominee believes, the Romney aide said, “The
    governor believes that what we put in place in Massachusetts was a
    penalty, and he disagrees with the court’s ruling that the mandate was a
    tax.”

    As a follow-up, Mr. Todd asked the Romney aide directly whether the
    presumptive GOP nominee agrees with the president “that you should not
    call the tax penalty a tax, you should call it a penalty or a fee or a
    fine?”

    “That’s correct,” Mr. Fehnstrom replied.

    http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2012/07/02/romney-adviser-health-mandate-is-not-a-tax/

    • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

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