Jon Huntsman To Skip Convention, World Yawns

July 7, 2012 | Filed under 2012 Presidential Race | Posted by

Honestly when I saw the headline I wasn’t sure which convention the failed presidential candidate was talking about, given that he served as an ambassador for President Obama. The Desert News reports:

SALT LAKE CITY — Former Utah governor and unsuccessful presidential candidate Jon Huntsman Jr. said Friday he won’t be attending any GOP national conventions until the party shifts its focus.

Huntsman, who dropped out of the race for the GOP presidential nomination in January after a disappointing third-place finish in New Hampshire, said he has attended virtually every GOP convention since 1984, when he was a delegate for Ronald Reagan.

“I will not be attending this year’s convention, nor any Republican convention in the future, until the party focuses on a bigger, bolder, more confident future for the United States,” Huntsman said in a statement. “A future based on problem solving, inclusiveness, and a willingness to address the trust deficit, which is every bit as corrosive as fiscal and economic deficits.”

That’s some serious butthurt their folks. Huntsman would appear to favor a return to the “get along” permanent minority party of the 60′s and 70′s. He won’t be missed.

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  • EricSteel

    This guy always reminded me of a used car salesman.

  • jim_m

    I’m sure that he’s still going to Charlotte.

    • Owen007

      I’m sure Democrats will be glad to have him. They need to fill up all those empty seats somehow.

  • GarandFan

    Must have been a really slow news day.

  • Guest

    He must be saving himself for 2016 – and wants to distance himself from the clown circus that is the 2012 GOP nomination process.

    Best clown car ever, Republicans. It was so bad even Sarah Palin refused to participate in the process.

    My fav? The emerging winner who banks offshore as a tax dodge.

    You gotta love the Republican Party. There are no finer asses anywhere.

    • 914

      Look in the mirror DERP!

    • jim_m

      I think that Hillary will thump him in the 2016 democrat primaries.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZ5BM5GNLA54OADSWGSXAMA7SY Jay

        Looks like 2016 is going to be the year of the female presidential elects for the DNC. Call it a hunch, but 2016 isn’t going to be a great time for the GOP since they’ve done a lot to harm by establishing their base as affluent, whites with little consideration for any minorities or even the women in their party. Still if Reagan Jr or Jeb Bush are any indication, you’re going to have a huge shift in policies here that might make the Republicans at the very least more sane.

        • retired.military

          I actually think you are right about this Jay If Hillary is still alive she will defnitely run

          I am afriand 2016 is going to be a repeat of 2008. Whoever the left runs they will win. Romney is going to so piss off the right that he wont get reelected.

    • Vagabond661

      Should I post the links of all the Democrats distancing themselves from the clown circus of the DNC? Or can you google it yourself?

      • jim_m

        Don’t confuse the racist with facts.

    • Owen007

      If you wanna see a clown car, check out the White House. “80,000 jobs is a step in the right direction… but 350,000 eight years ago wasn’t.” But hey, he does a great juggling act, what with the “it’s not a tax despite what the Supreme Court would have you believe” line. To say nothing of Biden, TAX DODGE Geithner, bearded lady Napolitano and Bubba’s shrew. Surely, a 3-ring circus.

    • retired.military

      ”
      The emerging winner who banks offshore as a tax dodge.”

      Taling about George soros again? Or jOhn Kerry

  • Commander_Chico

    Richard Posner, a judge and a serious intellectual, also just said the Republicans are too crazy nowadays.

    • jim_m

      Like most leftists Chico confuses “outspoken” with “intellectual”.

      I suppose to the left a man who opposes the right to hyperlink material from online newspaper and TV sites (calling it theft and thus advocating for closing off the efficient flow of information and proscribing the freedom of speech) fits their description of intellectual.

      I suppose his opposition to the recording of police also sits well. The left was always fond of police states.

      The left likes to call him a conservative because he once agreed with Bork about Anti-trust and he thinks animal rights people are out of their tree, but the majority of his work and opinions are on the left.

      • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

        It’s also an appeal to authority.

      • Owen007

        Odd how the far left only considers someone an “intellectual” if they agree with them. Heck, they’re praise a four-year-old as a prodigy if he said something they agreed with.

  • UOG

    Sounds to me like he’s angling for a position in a second Obama administration. And where did he get that tie? I didn’t know that vanilla came in blue!

  • http://www.wizbangblog.com David Robertson

    Basically, Huntsman is taking his ball and going home because GOP primary voters didn’t support him.

  • retired.military

    Like Jon Huntsman I decided to become a dumocrat.

    You only have a picture of a white man in the thread. RACISM!!!!!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZ5BM5GNLA54OADSWGSXAMA7SY Jay

    I find it quite odd that Richard Posner’s words aren’t being discussed here…

    • http://opinion.ak4mc.us/ McGehee

      Why don’t you post a thread to talk about it?

      • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

        Because he can’t here, which I consider to be a feature.

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZ5BM5GNLA54OADSWGSXAMA7SY Jay

          It’s just amazing to me how such a respected conservative intellectual seems to be criticized but isn’t even talked about in other articles on this site. Not that I actually care if I could post a thread about it. I just find it odd this site doesn’t want to talk about it.

          • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

            Duly noted, appropriately filed.

          • http://opinion.ak4mc.us/ McGehee

            Who calls Posner a conservative?

          • jim_m

            The left. The same people that call 0bama a centrist.

          • http://opinion.ak4mc.us/ McGehee

            I also wanted to ask who calls him “respected,” but I had a feeling the answer would be the same.

          • jim_m

            The first clue that any jurist is not a conservative is when the media starts calling him “respected”.

          • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

            Whom the Press would call “respected” should be destroyed.

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZ5BM5GNLA54OADSWGSXAMA7SY Jay

            Tsk. Rodney you should respect your elders. Such a disdain for those that are showing the failures of the GOP… Tsk, tsk.

          • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

            You praise me with faint damns.

    • jim_m

      You want to take the side of the fascist who said, “Once all this stuff can be recorded, there’s going to be a lot more of this snooping around by reporters and bloggers . . . I’m always suspicious when the civil liberties people start telling the police how to do their business.”?

      Sure. Let’s talk about how this crackpot thinks it should be illegal for the law abiding citizen to make sure that the people with the guns are staying within the law themselves.

      Or perhaps you’d like to defend his statement that hyperlinking should be declared illlegal? “Expanding copyright law to bar online access to copyrighted materials without the copyright holder’s consent, or to bar linking to or paraphrasing copyrighted materials without the copyright holder’s consent, might be necessary”

      Yes. Let’s discuss how the left just loves this idiot who hates individual freedoms.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZ5BM5GNLA54OADSWGSXAMA7SY Jay

        Jim you throw around the word fascist so much, I highly doubt you’ve ever looked at what it means. Sadly, the GOP and their pursuit of corporate profits over human lives is far more fascist than the words of someone who is a greatly respected conservative intellectual.

        Granted, he seems to be misguided on 4th Amendment issues, but I found his discussion of the Apple/Google dispute to be refreshing in showing how out of touch the patent system has gotten in the US.

        Let’s talk about how this crackpot thinks it should be illegal for the law abiding citizen to make sure that the people with the guns are staying within the law themselves.

        [citation needed]

        Or perhaps you’d like to defend his statement that hyperlinking should be declared illlegal? “Expanding copyright law to bar online access to copyrighted materials without the copyright holder’s consent, or to bar linking to or paraphrasing copyrighted materials without the copyright holder’s consent, might be necessary”

        As I said before. He seems to be understanding how out of touch IP law has become in the US. Might want to check on that with his Apple/Samsung ruling.

        • jim_m

          Posner is against the taping of the police in any form, saying that the very act of taping interferes with law enforcement: http://jonathanturley.org/2011/09/19/posner-ridicules-right-of-citizens-to-film-police-in-seventh-circuit-oral-argument/

          Posner believes that hyperlinking to news articles on line or even summarizing them should be illegal: http://www.infowars.com/judge-says-hyperlinks-should-be-banned-to-save-newspapers/

          Fascists were about state control of industry and the two biggest in the last century were masters at controlling the media. The left has a lot in common with the fascists of the last century and your denial doesn’t make it not so.

          And he did not rule in the Apple/Samsung case, he ruled in the Apple Motorola case, dismissing Apple’s claims with prejudice.

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZ5BM5GNLA54OADSWGSXAMA7SY Jay

            As I said, he’s wrong about 4th Amendment issues. I also said he’s not that good on technology even though he has had a number of good rulings based on sound logic and reasoning.

            But you ignored where I exactly asked you for a citation. The gun issue.

            Fascists were about state control of industry and the two biggest in the last century were masters at controlling the media.

            Ok… So we agree that Fox News is very good at propagandizing the media instead of actual discussion of the news.

            The left has a lot in common with the fascists of the last century and your denial doesn’t make it not so.

            Sorry Jim, but you might want to look again at all of the social issues that GOP people are bringing up to become an extreme party of the corporation instead of one of pragmatism. Destroy the poor and the middle class by preventing jobs to be created, give mighty tax cuts to the wealthiest with voodoo economics, then obstruct any plan that could help the economy. That’s just swell for the GOP who are sold out to the rich and affluent, but is horrible for our country.

            And we won’t even get into the 1100 abortion bills…

            Or the religious discrimination…

            Or the voter suppression…

            Or the belief in building more prisons…

            Or the belief that Marijuana should still be illegal…

            Or the disdain for civil unions…

            Or the belief in the military industrial complex…

            Tell you what, why not explain how the GOP isn’t horrible. They seem to be more and more of a fringe party for the rich instead of an actual party with actual beliefs that would make the country better?

            Also, deciding to dismiss the lawsuit and showing that he’s changed his opinions on patents is a clear indicator that there will be a lot of interesting rulings now that the CAFC isn’t taking all of the patent cases since the 80s.

          • jim_m

            I gave you a link on the recording of police. I never made claims about gun laws you idiot,

            You think the GOP is the party of the rich? Better go check obama’s donors. You are in for an ugly awakening. The super rich supported him in far greater numbers than McCain. The dems have quietly become the party of preserving the status quo for the rich while maintaining a facade of populism. In fact obama’s policies have increased income inequality and Bush’s reduced it. Go explore reality for a while, we’ll still be here when you get back.

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZ5BM5GNLA54OADSWGSXAMA7SY Jay


            The super rich supported him in far greater numbers than McCain.

            And who just gave $71 million to Romney? Oh, that’s right… Adelson who gets his money from China. Bravo on foreign money in our politics.

            The dems have quietly become the party of preserving the status quo for the rich while maintaining a facade of populism.

            Whereas the GOP is just outright blatant with it with people like Jim Walsh. Good job on defending him.

            In fact obama’s policies have increased income inequality and Bush’s reduced it.

            HAAAHAHAHA! No wait… You mean like TARP which Bush started and stuck Obama with the bill? Come on. Can’t blame all of it on Obama like you always do. Both parties don’t represent the entire nation but the GOP has gotten pretty bad.

            I never made claims about gun laws you idiot,

            Let’s talk about how this crackpot thinks it should be illegal for the law abiding citizen to make sure that the people with the guns are staying within the law themselves.

            You might want to read your own words Jim. You made that claim and I asked for a citation.

          • jim_m

            One big donor does not a majority make. How much does Soros spend annually on advancing left wing political causes?

            You can laugh about income inequality, but what I said is true.

            And my comment was that Posner ruled (in the minority) that people should not be allowed to video or record the police. The police are the ones with the guns. My comment was that Posner does not want the people to be able to protect themselves from the police (ie the ones with the guns since at the time in Chicago the police were the only ones that could legally have guns).

            My condolences to your 6th grade English teacher since they obviously failed to teach you anything about reading comprehension.

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZ5BM5GNLA54OADSWGSXAMA7SY Jay


            One big donor does not a majority make. How much does Soros spend annually on advancing left wing political causes?

            Right… So Koch funding in Americans for Prosperity and the Tea Party has not had a negative impact on the GOP. Gotcha. Dunno why you single out Soros but that’s your call.

            The fact that Crossroads GPS, the Koch brothers, and other billionaires have over $3 billion given to Romney sure seems oddly disproportionate in most circumstances.

            You can laugh about income inequality, but what I said is true.

            Again, given the fact that TARP was started under Bush, there was heavy obstruction by Republicans in things to fix the economy, what you said isn’t true. It’s disingenuous. There’s a large difference in being able to pass the Volcker Rule in Congress and Obama taking all the blame in the world from people that want to continue to obstruct him from being able to do anything. Point here, look at Congress which has the power of the purse, not the president. The only way you’d be right is if you don’t understand how government works and how the President can’t fix everything with a wave of the hand.

          • jim_m

            I won’t hold my breath for an apology on the gun issue that you screwed up.

            For the last several election cycles the dems have out raised the GOP. They have had a lock on Wall Street, Hollywood and Silicon Valley. You can pretend that the dems are for the little man,but when the dems are for the little guy in the form of union enslavement that the majority of Americans are rejecting today then you really aren’t saying very much,

            Until the GOP starts getting some significant traction in this list, the left is officially the party of big money. http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/list.php?order=A

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZ5BM5GNLA54OADSWGSXAMA7SY Jay

            You made a claim, now you’re backing out of it. Typical.

            For the last several election cycles the dems have out raised the GOP. They have had a lock on Wall Street, Hollywood and Silicon Valley.

            Jim… Please look at that graph much more closely. You have numbers from ’89 – ’12. This means you aren’t looking at accurate information for what you’re saying at all.

            You’ve yet to even mention the Super PACs which are so biased towards conservatives as to be ridiculous.

            Also, who said anything that Dems represented the little guy? Quit cherry picking data and deal with facts. Republicans have a monetary advantage since they’re the party of corporate America.

          • jim_m

            I never made any claim about guns you ass. You are such a poor reader that you cannot understand a simple statement. My comment was to emphasize how ridiculous Posner’s position was.

            You are a complete idiot and moron to double down on your stupidity. I explained what I meant. I think I am capable of understanding what my intent was in the original comment. You are every bit the coward and fool I expected you to be. When I do err I try to admit it, Bruce can testify to that. Too bad you aren’t a man.

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZ5BM5GNLA54OADSWGSXAMA7SY Jay

            Aw Jim. You’re doubling down on ad homs instead of actual comments. Do keep going. It does make you look ever more the child.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ryan-Murphy/100001624276605 Ryan Murphy

            Soros got his money … where?

          • jim_m

            Soros got his money from countless indigent donors who selflessly gave him their money in hopes that he would make the world a better place for them.

            That felony conviction in Europe for insider trading has nothing to do with his wealth. And all the allegations of illegal currency manipulation are just jealousy. He just does that in between sending his fellow Jews to the ovens at Auschwitz.

          • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

            You forgot to close your “sarc” tag…

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ryan-Murphy/100001624276605 Ryan Murphy

            Where did he get the money? Citizens of where? You were the one defensively bringing up illegality …

          • jim_m

            As to your other BS claims:

            Or the religious discrimination…
            You mean the constant anti-Christian crap from the left or 0bama’s crusade against the religious liberty of the Catholic church?

            Or the voter suppression…
            You mean the left’s fight against truing the vote. Every illegally cast vote is a vote suppressed. The left fights tooth and nail against cleaning up the voter rolls and the only reason is to make vote fraud easier.

            Or the belief in building more prisons…
            No one believes in building more prisons. However, people do believe that you need to build more prisons to accommodate more prisoners. You might also have noticed that crime goes down when criminals are in prison. Major media has even commented on it, although they miss the point thinking that prisons are unnecessary when the crime goes down.

            Or the belief that Marijuana should still be illegal…
            Perhaps you missed that this is obama’s position

            Or the disdain for civil unions…
            Actually, the issue is gay marriage. More people are willing to accept civil unions. Many have argued for it here.

            Or the belief in the military industrial complex…
            Surrendering our nation to our enemies may be obama’s policy but that does not make it right.

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZ5BM5GNLA54OADSWGSXAMA7SY Jay


            You mean the constant anti-Christian crap from the left or 0bama’s crusade against the religious liberty of the Catholic church?

            Try Louisiana where Valerie Hodges wants to prevent 1st Amendment issues from allowing people to make a choice on their preferred schools. Also, the entire hatred of Muslims kind of blurs your argument considerably, don’t ya think?

            Every illegally cast vote is a vote suppressed.
            Ok, what’s this then? Admitting you want to suppress votes on video is kinda stupid if you ask me.

            No one believes in building more prisons. However, people do believe that you need to build more prisons to accommodate more prisoners. You might also have noticed that crime goes down when criminals are in prison. Major media has even commented on it, although they miss the point thinking that prisons are unnecessary when the crime goes down.

            Jim, that’s the most spectacularly tortured logic I’ve ever witnessed. Are you sure you’re not Mitt Romney’s campaign manager? There’s two prisons being built right now. Also, the fact remains that the majority of people in prisons are in because of our drug laws that disproportionately target minorities. Further, we now have over 7 million people in prison for a drug war that the majority of America doesn’t believe in.

            Prisons aren’t necessary as anything more than to suppress dissent. Might want to look at prisons as the New Jim Crow.

            Perhaps you missed that this is obama’s position
            Romney will do nothing different.

            Surrendering our nation to our enemies may be obama’s policy but that does not make it right.

            Jim, we have more money invested in our military than the next 26 nations combined. We have a $1 trillion dollar plane that is basically a failure. We spend next to nothing on our soldiers save to give them drugs and make them more efficient killers. Further, when they get out, you hear about them being imprisoned for murders, or left to fend for themselves even though they’ve fought in various wars. We don’t need any more money going to the military and it’s more than half our budget with relative peace. The “surrender of our nation” isn’t going to happen because we reduced the military expenditures. It’s going to happen because of blowback to our foreign policies.

          • jim_m

            Admitting you want to suppress votes on video is kinda stupid if you ask me.

            Yep and the Black Panthers did that and 0bama gave them a pass because he’s cool with voter suppression when it is in is favor.

          • retired.military

            Jay
            Ref the “Trillion dollar plane ” mantra.

            a. That is to replace the jets which are like 30 years old we are currently using.

            b. That trillion dollar is for the entire lifecycle of the plane. To include development, spare parts, fuel, training, maintenance and disposal of the plane at the end of its lifecycle.

            c item b takes place over a 30-40 year period for this program I believe ( it could be as long as 50).

            When you mention “trillion dollar plane” in the aspect that you do it sounds dramatic but in for those who actually know how military procurement works (which you should since I believe I have explained this before) it shows you either dont know what you are talking about or you are trying to overdramatize this subject.

          • jim_m

            Jay believes that any dollar spent defending this country is a dollar misspent.

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZ5BM5GNLA54OADSWGSXAMA7SY Jay

            When there’s better ways to protect the nation as well as secure our future?

            You must think all the money for the drug war is money well spent too…

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZ5BM5GNLA54OADSWGSXAMA7SY Jay


            That is to replace the jets which are like 30 years old we are currently using.

            We have some very good planes that are currently being used. Having a plane to try to combine the Stealth Bomber as well as other attack planes by merging them all into one is ridiculous, IMO.

            That trillion dollar is for the entire lifecycle of the plane. To include development, spare parts, fuel, training, maintenance and disposal of the plane at the end of its lifecycle.

            Wrong. The F- 35 is already over budget

            When you mention “trillion dollar plane” in the aspect that you do it sounds dramatic but in for those who actually know how military procurement works (which you should since I believe I have explained this before) it shows you either dont know what you are talking about or you are trying to overdramatize this subject.

            As I said before, I back it up. Further details include how the F-35 is going to be used in countries like Taiwan when Boeing works out the kinks. But this doesn’t come up in your support for the plane.

        • retired.military

          ”
          Jim you throw around the word fascist so much, I highly doubt you’ve ever looked at what it means”

          Jay

          I have yet to see you criticize Grumpy or any of the lefties who have been banned from this site when they overused the word RACISM. Maybe I am wrong and just dont remember it. Please point it out.

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZ5BM5GNLA54OADSWGSXAMA7SY Jay

            RM, I haven’t been on this site for quite some time, nor do I pay attention to everyone’s remarks. Grumpy’s a big boy as well as anyone else. Kindly do not put everyone in the same boat just because you don’t agree with them politically.

            When Jim uses the word fascist, he essentially means to demean anyone who doesn’t agree with his own ideological viewpoints. Since I usually talk to him far more than disagree with Chico or Grumpy (ya know.. The left coalition around here…) I see Jim using his word in our conversations than anything else. If Jim were using the word correctly, he’d point out how Mitt Romney is a fascist based on his obsession with corporate profits as well as hiding money in foreign bank accounts. He would criticize Romney for wanting an oil lobbyist as his energy advisor (after making a large donation to his campaign).

            Other criticisms would come in how the GOP has disdain for intellectuals, the poor, the elderly and anyone else that doesn’t have money with the GOP. Instead, he uses it as a random insult with nary a consideration for what the word actually means. The loose definition of fascism is when corporations take over the government. The closest party to that definition is not the strawman left that Jim constantly rails against. It’s the Republicans who are heavily funded by oil barons, the bankers, and almost everyone that has a corporate interest. I just constantly point that out because he’s constantly abusing the word.

          • retired.military

            ”
            When Jim uses the word fascist, he essentially means to demean anyone who doesn’t agree with his own ideological viewpoints”
            Jay

            Gee What do you think GRumpy does? Or Stephen did? Or Bob Armstrong? Or anyone of the other tools which have played the race card repeatedly in every situation.
            You say Grumpy is a big boy but yet you criticize Jim for saying facist but not Grumpy for playing the race card repeatedly ad nauseum. Grumpy is as you say “constantly abusing the word.” yet again nothing from you. Nor did you ever call any of other leftists on it.

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZ5BM5GNLA54OADSWGSXAMA7SY Jay

            So what, RM? You’re going to apologize for Jim while I’m supposed to apologize for Grumpy? Grow up. This is a poor argument for you and I do respect you even if we don’t always agree on everything.

          • jim_m

            Actually, I use it as an accurate descriptor of your political bent. I don’t use it much of other people. Just you. You consistently support state control of our lives and crushing of dissent.

            Your definition of fascism is exactly the opposite of what it really is. Fascism is not when corporations take over the government. It is where the government controls the corporations. Fascism allows nominal private ownership as long as the ownership toes the government line. Fascism dictates what products will be produced (Chevy Volt), dictates where and how businesses will do their production (Boeing) and dictates who will run those businesses (GM again). You support all these things.

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZ5BM5GNLA54OADSWGSXAMA7SY Jay


            Actually, I use it as an accurate descriptor of your political bent. I don’t use it much of other people. Just you. You consistently support state control of our lives and crushing of dissent.

            Nope. Try again Jim. Fascist would be for corporate control of the government. I’ve never espoused that given my own libertarian views. You’ve done far more by actually believing in “corporate speech” than I have in understanding the role of government, personal responsibility, and how markets and economics work.

            Hell, you’re the same guy that wants teachers to be fired because they’re public sector workers.

            Fascism is not when corporations take over the government. It is where the government controls the corporations.

            Uhm… Looking at what the word means, you seem rather confused. Mussolini’s Fascist Italy was based on corporate power similar to the same leveraged by the oil and healthcare industries today. If our government wasn’t captured by corporate interests, you might have a leg to stand on. As it currently is, you’re chopping your own foot off by ignoring facts of corporate takeover in our US democracy.

            Fascism dictates what products will be produced (Chevy Volt), dictates where and how businesses will do their production (Boeing) and dictates who will run those businesses (GM again).

            Those are very disparate examples. I’m surprised you want to see the downfalls of American companies, but you might want to look a little closer. Chevy just made that car and I don’t think the government had much to do with that. Boeing is currently involved with the $1 trillion dollar bogus airplane and they lobby to Congress for more funds and tax cuts. And I highly doubt that the government told GM how to run its business or else it would have done the same to Ford as well as other companies.

            And no, I don’t support fascism. That seems more your line of reasoning for whatever reason based on how you seem to support Republicans with a blind faith I find stunning. If Republicans actually called out to the NSA and told them to release their secret definition of the Patriot Act, I’d probably agree with you. If you supported the NSA talking about the data center in Utah to spy on Americans, then we can have a conversation. As it stands, you seem intent on blindly attacking anyone with a different viewpoint and not questioning the status quo. That’s even more disappointing than how you are confused on the definition of fascism.

          • jim_m

            Idiot. You don’t even know what fascism is. You could have bothered to look up the definition anywhere and found out that you are wrong,

            fas·cism [ fá shìzzəm ] dictatorial movement: any movement, ideology, or attitude that favors dictatorial government, centralized control of private enterprise, repression of all opposition, and extreme ationalism

            Note that this is government control of the corporation, not vice versa. I assume that your ignorance of what fascism is what fuels your ignorant denials.

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZ5BM5GNLA54OADSWGSXAMA7SY Jay


            an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.

            Fascism’s theory of economic corporatism involved management of sectors of the economy by government or privately controlled organizations (corporations). Each trade union or employer corporation would, theoretically, represent its professional concerns, especially by negotiation of labor contracts and the like. This method, it was theorized, could result in harmony amongst social classes. Authors have noted, however, that de facto economic corporatism was also used to reduce opposition and reward political loyalty.

            Keep trying Jim. You seem confused about government’s role in democracies and the role of government in fascism.

          • jim_m

            Fascism is still the government control of the economy as your definition admits. You cannot find a single example of any nation where the government was controlled by corporations. (influenced yes, corrupted by definitely, but not controlled).

            It took you over a day to find a crappy definition. Please.

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZ5BM5GNLA54OADSWGSXAMA7SY Jay


            You cannot find a single example of any nation where the government was controlled by corporations.

            You might want to take a real hard look at Mussolini, the founder of fascism. And no, I just have other things to do than be constantly look for definitions that you should know. Keep trying, though Jim.

          • http://www.rustedsky.net JLawson

            Last post, 3 days. Then 5 days. Then 14 days.

            We can see your posting history by clicking on your icon.

            “I haven’t been here in quite some time!” –

            Right.

            Sorry – it’s no longer possible to hide your history if you use Disqus and the same ID.

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZ5BM5GNLA54OADSWGSXAMA7SY Jay

            Uh… 3 days is a lot of topics to ignore and I don’t post in every discussion here. You might want to understand the context. I’m not saying I don’t post here a lot. I just don’t see every last issue here on Wizbang to recognize the posting patterns of who RM is criticizing.

    • Owen007

      I find it quite odd that you bring someone so completely unrelated to the story in question into a thread dedicated to said unrelated story. I mean, I’ve heard of going off-topic, but that’s just ridiculous.

  • http://opinion.ak4mc.us/ McGehee

    Lots of Democrats are skipping the convention, so what’s the big deal about Huntsman?

    [...]

    Get out! No way!

  • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

    Who?

  • Owen007

    This announcement is a lot like his presidential campaign – whiny, self-indulgent and poorly thought out. In other words, the markings of an attention whore.

  • indyjoe19

    Huntsman is an intelligent man, unlike any other of the GOP doormats to the will of the insane reich wing!!