Aurora Massacre Shocker – James Holmes Was A Psychiatric Patient

James Holmes booking photo (Arapahoe County Sheriff’s Office)

The plot thickens…

(CNN) — Colorado shooting suspect James Holmes was a patient of a University of Colorado psychiatrist before last week’s attack at a movie theater that killed 12 people and wounded scores, according to a court document filed Friday by his public lawyers.

The disclosure was in a request by Holmes for authorities to immediately hand over a package he sent to Dr. Lynne Fenton at the university’s Anschutz Medical Campus.

According to Holmes’ request, the package seized by authorities under a July 23 search warrant was a protected communication.

“The materials contained in that package include communications from Mr. Holmes to Dr. Fenton that Mr. Holmes asserts are privileged,” said the document filed by public defenders representing Holmes. “Mr. Holmes was a psychiatric patient of Dr. Fenton, and his communications with her are protected.”

If Holmes really was in the care of Dr. Fenton there is going to be a lot of interest in what, if anything, that doctor knew about a potential for violence in her patient.

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  • GarandFan

    Cho, Loughner, Holmes…………….anyone else see a pattern? Not that this will bother the anti-gun folks.

    • herddog505

      As far as they are concerned, anybody who owns a firearm is nuts: they want to kill animals, they want to kill other people, or both.

      • GarandFan

        Well we certainly DON’T want to infringe on the rights of the mentally ill. Gun owners…….that’s “different”.

    • Commander_Chico

      You can add Nidal. Being a psychiatrist is a symptom of mental illness.

      • jim_m

        Chico, are you saying that islam is a mental illness?

    • jim_m

      Clearly the answer to all of this is to take guns away from sane people.

  • He was a psychiatric patient!!??

    My whole concept of maniacal spree killers has been shaken. I need to go lie down.

  • MichaelLaprarie

    GarandFan, you’re right. Liberals are chomping at the bit to pass more gun control laws, but I’ll be damned if one big liberal comes out in support of ending deinstitutionalization for the mentally ill, if it turns out that Holmes was nuts but the state was powerless to have him hospitalized.

    • jim_m

      Chucky Schumer put in the first attempt at removing our rights today by adding an amendment to the cybersecurity bill to make possession of a magazine greater than 10 rounds a felony. Nothing like turning nearly every gun owner in the nation a criminal in one fell swoop.

      Any excuse is a good excuse to take people’s rights away. Nothing like punishing the innocent. There’s something the left can always get behind.

  • ackwired

    I wonder if it would help to abridge the right of the mentally ill to own firearms.

    • jim_m

      Actually, it is already illegal. The form for purchase of a firearm asks the question: “11F: Have you ever been adjudicated mentally defective (Which includes a determination of a court, board, or other lawful authority that you are a danger to yourself or to others or you are incompetent to manage your own affairs) OR have you ever been committed to a mental institution?”

      The problem is that we can no longer commit the mentally ill. We can no longer take action to help the mentally ill.

      The other problem is that the left, rather than enforcing the law as written prefers to make more laws to take away the rights of law abiding citizens instead of actually solving the real problem.

      • ackwired

        Thanks for the info. I agree that more laws are not the answer. I believe in responsibliity, that people and organizations should be held responsible for their actions, that rights have corresponding responsibilities, and that priviledges should be earned by proving responsibility. This is not a popular view. It is considered archaic and quaint by most. But I would like to see the arms manufacturers held responsible for their methods of distribution.
        I quite agree that there is a real problem with the way that our society ignores the mentally ill.

        • jim_m

          You cannot hold a manufacturer responsible for their product distribution when you have so heavily regulated that distribution on the state and federal level. If there were some say by the manufacturers on how product was distributed you could ask them to take some responsibility, but as we have seen with the ATF forcing FFL dealers to sell guns illegally, you cannot hold anyone responsible when the government has total control over the process.

          • ackwired

            Well, if the government is responsible for arms manufacturers selling to everyone irresponsibly, the answer is simple. Just pass more laws.

          • jim_m

            The manufacturers sell to FFL’s (Federal Firearms License holders, ie gun retailers). FLL’s are highly regulated. You cannot hold the manufacturers responsible for the actions of the retailers. You do not hold Diageo responsible for the bars that overserve customers with Guinness or Bailey’s.

            The fact is that you simply disagree with people owning arms. You advocate further laws to restrict their constitutional; rights yet you say nothing about the fact that guns are not even the leading method of mass murder. You say nothing about the fact that mass murder is on the decline in the face of increasing availability of concealed carry.

            Guns aren’t even the most lethal mass murder weapon. According to data compiled by Grant Duwe of the Minnesota Department of Corrections, guns killed an average of 4.92 victims per mass murder in the United States during the 20th century, just edging out knives, blunt objects, and bare hands, which killed 4.52 people per incident. Fire killed 6.82 people per mass murder, while explosives far outpaced the other options at 20.82. Of the 25 deadliest mass murders in the 20th century, only 52 percent involved guns.

            The U.S. mass murder rate does not seem to rise or fall with the availability of automatic weapons. It reached its highest level in 1929, when fully automatic firearms were expensive and mostly limited to soldiers and organized criminals.

            In the 2000s, for example, both the mass murder and the homicide rates dropped to their lowest levels since the 1960s.

            The Rwanda genocide wasn’t done with guns. It was done with Machetes. I don;t hear you complaining about big knives being a problem.

          • jim_m

            Ackwired, In case you miss my point, it is that your opposition to guns is not based in fact or evidence but in ideology.

          • LiberalNightmare

            Don’t put anything past the left.
            These are the same people that have implemented ‘large soda’ control in new York.

          • ackwired

            Reality check! I did not say any of those things. It’s just the straw man that you wanted to argue with.

          • jim_m

            You’re saying to just pass more gun laws. There is no reason to do that. Perhaps we start with enforcing what’s on the books?

          • ackwired

            Actually, I said that I would like to see the arms manufacturers held responsible for the distribution system. You said that the government should lbe held responsible for it. I simply pointed out that it that were true more laws would be required.

  • herddog505

    This is timely:

    A citizen with a gun stopped a knife wielding man as he began stabbing people Thursday evening at the downtown Salt Lake City Smith’s store.


    The loon stabbed a couple of people. He stopped and dropped the knife when ordered to do so by an armed citizen.

    It remains to be seen if the store was a “gun-free zone” and, if so, whether the management will press charges or take other action because somebody broke their rule:

    Kroger officials are reviewing the actions of a manager who fatally shot a would-be robber inside a grocery store while it was busy with customers, a company spokesman said.

    Indianapolis police have said no charges are expected in Monday night’s shooting by the 24-year-old manager at the store on the city’s northwest side. The manager shot 26-year-old Jeremy Atkinson of Indianapolis after he forced an employee to the store’s office, but police haven’t said whether Atkinson had a gun.

    Kroger spokesman John Elliott told Fox59 that the company has an employee gun policy but wouldn’t discuss it. A copy of a Kroger employee handbook obtained by Fox59 says employees are not allowed to bring firearms onto company premises at any time.

  • Has Dr. Fenton confirmed that Holmes was a patient of hers? If she has not, then why should anyone believe what Holmes says?

    • herddog505

      Good point.

  • CaptainNed

    “Anschutz Medical Campus”

    There’s some serious irony in a medical campus involved in this case bearing the same name as the premiere producer of match-grade biathlon and air rifles, not to mention their custom shop center-fire rifle work.

  • 914

    “Aurora Massacre Shocker – James Holmes Was A Psychiatric Patient?”

    But still plans on voting Hope and Change 2012!!

  • 914

    “Aurora Massacre Shocker – James Holmes Was A Psychiatric Patient”

    No, just a disappointed Bush beats Gore chump!!