Predicting Mother Nature

The government of North Carolina is being mocked by believers in anthropogenic global warming because the state’s Democrat governor permitted a controversial legislative bill to become law.

North Carolina House Bill 819 prohibits state officials from relying on current computer models to predict what the sea level along the state’s coastline will be in the future.

An ABC News report about the controversial law states the following:

Republican State Rep. Pat McElraft, who drafted the law, called the law a “breather” that allows the state to “step back” and continue studying sea -level rise for the next several years with the goal of achieving a more accurate prediction model.

“Most of the environmental side say we’re ignoring science, but the bill actually asks for more science,” she said. “We’re not ignoring science, we’re asking for the best science possible, the best extrapolation possible, looking at the historical data also. We just need to make sure that we’re getting the proper answers.”

North Carolina’s Science Panel on Coastal Hazards of the state Coastal Resources Commission reported to the state legislature that the computer models gave a mean (average) rise in sea level of 39 inches.

The Los Angeles Times reports the following:

Stanley R. Riggs, an East Carolina University geologist and one of 19 scientists who made the 39-inch projection, said the bill represents “a criminally serious disregard for science.”

The Science Panel on Coastal Hazards of the state Coastal Resources Commission consists of marine scientists, geologists and engineers who relied on tide gauges, satellite altimetry, storm records and geologic data. They cautioned that predicting long-term sea level change is “an inexact exact science,” saying the report reflects “the likely range” of sea level rise due to global warming and the melting of ice shelves.

Because sea levels and scientific knowledge are advancing rapidly, Riggs said in an interview, the panel recommended recalculating sea level projections every five years.

Wait a minute. If sea level projections need to be recalculated every five years, then how can civil engineers properly plan public works projects at or near the coastline?

The Los Angeles Times article also states, “Riggs, the geologist, said the panel had preferred to report a range of projected sea level rises — from 15 to 18 inches to 55 inches, based on each member’s projections. But because the commission demanded an absolute number, the panel took the mean of the range, or 39 inches.”

So, the projection of a 39-inch rise in sea level was not made by any computer model. Instead, it is a statistic about different projections made by nineteen scientists.

Why should civil engineers base the planning of an infrastructure project on such a statistical average when, according to Riggs, sea level projections need to be recalculated every five years? What if infrastructure is built according to an assumed 39-inch rise in sea level, and the actual rise in sea level is 55 inches? Who, then, would have to pay for the damage resulting from the mistaken assumption?

If sea level projections need to be recalculated every five years, then why shouldn’t state officials wait until the scientists recalculate their projections five years from now? If those nineteen scientists cannot guarantee that their sea level projections will be accurate five years from now, then why should state officials use those current projections?

I can’t answer the above questions. Perhaps someone else can.

Meanwhile, in another state, computer models pertaining to climate change are being used in the planning of water conservation.

Here is an excerpt from a document published by a government agency within that state:

. . . Task 2D.8, Investigate Climate Change “What if” Scenarios, this portion of the addendum provides a summary of the preliminary demand forecasts under selected climate change scenarios. Included is a brief description of the global climate change scenario data developed . . . the steps taken by CDM to transform the climate data, and how corresponding demand scenarios were developed for the Municipal and Industrial (M&I) and Irrigated Agriculture sectors. . .

. . . Definition of future climate change scenarios is derived from contemporary climate simulation information. Climate simulation models have been developed and applied to estimate global and/or continental climatic conditions during the 21th century. These climate simulations must then be downscaled . . .

. . . According to a recent report by the U.S. Bureau of Reclamation, review of current downscaled climate projections . . . suggests that ____________________  likely to be warmer in the future, although the rate of warming varies. Projections of precipitation differ from model to model and range between drier and wetter than historical conditions (Bureau of Reclamation, 2010).

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  • SteveCrickmore075

    So they went back to the old 9 inch rise but for the 21st century. We make projections all the time for social security costs, state budgets deficits or supluses, (when there were some) health care costs, estimates of project costs, you don’t expect there to be unanamity especially for the next century. Instead the House, you didn’t mention it was a Republican majority, didn’t accept even the lowest projection from the individual 19 scientists of 15 inches, they went further back to the standard 9 inches from the twentith century rule of thumb, before the sea began rising faster than expected (to some, but not to climate scientists) in the last few decades. Sounds like they are driving ahead looking in the rear view mirror for political and economic reasons, and they don’t have to admit global warming and climate change exists. – They have told all 19 scientists to take a collective hike or to try again in four years from ground zero. For the time being the lawmakers conservative bona fide, wingnut, neanderthal credentials are still intact and they can proudly say agw and climate change is a religion and bogus, based on junk science, and we are aren’t even planning for it.. Developers will be very happy at this.

    • GarandFan

      Yeah. We’ve been real good at forecasts, haven’t we. And the current AGW computer model is a paragon of scientific thinking. Too bad it can’t even properly predict weather cycles that have already occurred.

    • Plinytherecent

      Unfortunately, the models currently being used to predict AGW are simply no good. They have failed every meaningful test they have been applied to (upper atmosphere/lower atmosphere comparative heating rates; tropical stratospheric ‘hot spot’; oceanic heat content; global temperatures over the past decade; hindcasts; arctic and antarctic thermal balance). The models have, in short, been falsified. That members of the community still give full credence to them is an embarrassment. Given that, reliance on persistence(historical record), which, by the way, is still one of the better ways of predicting hurricane tracks, is quite reasonable. This is not ‘ignoring science’; it is ignoring bad/unreliable science and going with the best numbers available.

    • http://opinion.ak4mc.us/ Scribe of Slog (McGehee)

      Poor Steve. It’s hard to win converts by persuasion when the data don’t support you.

      It would be so much easier to convert us by the sword, wouldn’t it?

      • jim_m

        That is the intent ultimately.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ryan-Murphy/100001624276605 Ryan Murphy

      It absolutely IS junk sicence. If the models are pretty much ALWAYS wrong when applied to past data … then the models are junk.

    • http://www.wizbangblog.com David Robertson

      “We make projections all the time for social security costs, state budgets deficits or supluses, (when there were some) health care costs, estimates of project costs, you don’t expect there to be unanamity especially for the next century.”

      There is a difference between a budgeting error and a construction error.

      If a budget is flawed, then it can be adjusted by adding money or by moving money around.

      If a road ends up under water because the sea level rose higher than expected, then the road is lost. That is why getting a sea level forecast correct is more critical than getting a financial forecast correct.

      By the way, the governor of North Carolina had the ability to prevent the bill from becoming law, but she chose not to.

  • herddog505

    Here’s one problem:

    Gorebots ASSURE us that CO2 drives global warming. We have been putting increasing amounts of CO2 into the air not only as a consequence of growing population but also of growing industrialization and mechanization over the course of the last one hundred and fifty years. Therefore, it stands to reason, does it not, that we should have seen sea levels rising BEFORE now? And not only rising, but rising at an accelerated rate? (Does anybody know how much CO2 was released into the atmosphere during World War II?)

    Yet, we haven’t. But these yo-yos ASSURE us that the waters WILL rise (just as they ASSURED us that the Arctic would be ice-free…) in the FUTURE and ZOMG! we gotta do something!

    O’ course, the bigger problem is that AGW is a con game perpetrated by a pack of hucksters and liars who have time and again been demonstrated to be exactly that, and the biggest problem is that there’s no shortage of fools who keep believing what they say.
    Riggs, the geologist, said the panel had preferred to report a range of projected sea level rises — from 15 to 18 inches to 55 inches, based on each member’s projections.
    A FORTY INCH range??? Are you f*cking kidding me? AND, because it’s an “inexact science”, we’ve got to recalculate every five years??? We’re supposed to base public policy on crap like this?

    Anyway, why are we listening to a geologist? I thought that only “climate scientists” were qualified to speak on global warming.

    The LAT article quotes a few people who jeer at No. Carolina for this bill, including:
    Orrin H. Pilkey, a geology professor emeritus at Duke University, said making projections based only on past sea level changes is like limiting hurricane warnings to the precise spots where hurricanes have struck.

    Hurricanes are something that our state DOES have experience with. We DO plan for hurricanes. We build along to coast to deal with them (just as they build in Toyko and San Francisco to deal with earthquakes). And how do we do this? By looking at HISTORICAL data. We don’t go to a bunch of scientists to get some bullsh*t computer models of what MIGHT happen (+/- 57%), but rather look at what HAS happened to guide us on what to do when it happens again.

    Incidentally:

    The tidal coefficient today is 56 (average). The tide heights today are 4.3 ft, 0.0 ft, 4.3 ft and 0.5 ft. We can compare these levels with the maximum high tide recorded in the tide tables for Wilmington which is of 5.7 ft and a minimum height of -0.6 ft.

    http://www.tides4fishing.com/us/north-carolina/wilmington

    • http://www.wizbangblog.com David Robertson

      “Anyway, why are we listening to a geologist? I thought that only “climate scientists” were qualified to speak on global warming.”

      I was wondering if someone would notice that detail.

      • http://opinion.ak4mc.us/ Scribe of Slog (McGehee)

        It’s important to keep in mind that one needn’t have a degree nor done any actual work in climate science to be billed as a climate scientist for purposes of the AGW narrative.

        • jim_m

          If you agree with AGW you don’t need any credentials to be a climate scientist. If you disagree with AGW no amount of credentials will make you a scientist of any type.

          It’s not about science, it’s about orthodoxy.

          • herddog505

            I agree.

            One of the many things that turn my stomach about AGW is the proud insistence that they are scientists and using science and listening to scientific experts… except when one doesn’t agree with them. Then he’s a dupe, in the pay of Big Oil or THE KOCH BROTHERS, not really a “climate scientist”, etc.

            It really IS a religion, and there’s only One True Faith.

        • retired.military

          Correct. But they do need a big ole jug of koolaid

  • Commander_Chico

    Ho hum. Another climate change debate between people who haven’t read the literature, don’t have the science background to understand it, and are reacting totally in accordance with their ideological trend’s pose on the issue.

    I wonder whether this NC law is to allow property developers to collect government disaster aid when their properties are flooded or destroyed by storms, or prevent them from being sued. When I see a law like this, I suspect there is some crony welfare handout or immunity being given out.

    • Sky__Captain

      I do have the scientific background to understand the science.
      It is pure bunk.
      Show me the sciencific evidence that would stand up in court. It doesn’t exist.

      • Commander_Chico

        It is pure bunk.

        I still think this is to prevent people from suing or denying government disaster claims by pointing to studies.

        What else is the operative purpose of this law?

        • SteveCrickmore075

          The reason is here Chico, the influence of big money, from developers who are bank-rolling the politicians, so that they can continue building on low coastal land. The agenda behind the sea level rise bill: from the Carolina coast to the Kochs

          As a result, developers can continue to profit from building in vulnerable, low-lying coastal areas free of additional regulations that would apply if the state accounted for higher seas.
          “We have to include not only the science,” Rouzer said, “but to consider the reality that if you’re going to use the science but can’t validate it, there could be a negative impact on coastal economies.”

          • Commander_Chico

            Well, are they eligible for government disaster payments if their houses are wrecked or flooded, even if the models predicted they would be wrecked or flooded?

          • SteveCrickmore075

            I presume they would be, if not they could sue the state, for not using the best available science. It is been a long time since I Iived in the deep south and then only for a short time in Natchez, but North Carolina reminds me of the fictional Mayberry. I did live in West Virginia, when they were in their book banning days. Hucklebury Finn and so on, now North Carolina is basically trying to ban climate science, because of the uncomfortable answers the property developers and their stooge politicians were receiving to the questions they asked..

          • Vagabond661

            We lived in a flood zone in Florida and couldn’t get flood insurance. I don’t know the laws for the NC coast but I imagine it would be similar.

          • retired.military

            Of course they are. They are part of the Oligaphy.

          • herddog505

            OH NOES! NOT THE KOCH BROTHERS!!!

            Well, that tears it! Nobody EVER built on the coast of North Carolina before the wicked, greedy tentacles of THE KOCH BROTHERS wrapped themselves around our state. Why, the very idea that ANYBODY would be stupid enough to build vacation homes and resort communities and major cities on a coast that is hit by some pretty hefty hurricanes from time to time could only come from people as malignant as THE KOCH BROTHERS.

            Jebus….

            SteveCrickmore075[D]evelopers can continue to profit from building in vulnerable, low-lying coastal areas free of additional regulations that would apply if the state accounted for higher seas. [emphasis mine - hd505]

            And there you have it. This is nothing to do with nasty ol’ developers. This is not even to do with the alleged catastrophe that approaches. No: it has to do with how Raleigh can squeeze more money and control out of the people of coastal NC. It’s a microcosm of the entire AGW scam.

            If this is really such a huge, looming, unescapable crisis, then why aren’t the various state officials planning to evacuate the affected areas entirely? If Wilmington and New Bern and Elizabeth City and Manteo are all going to be submerged under several feet of water in less than a century, shouldn’t the plan be to get people the hell out?
            And by the way: aren’t more and stronger tornadoes part of the whole ZOMG! GLOBAL WARMING! model? What is Raleigh planning to do about that?

            I’d be interested to know who’s behind this cowpat of a study. SOMEBODY must have thought, “Gee whiz! Whatever shall we do when the seas rise (guess Barry didn’t stop that, huh?) and flood out the coast?” Who was it?

        • herddog505

          1. Prevention of public policy being driven by idiocy.

          2. Prevention of public funds being wasted on a confidence racket.

          3. Prevention of the politcos in Raleigh making bigger fools of themselves than they already do.

      • herddog505

        Ditto. Hell, show me the scientific evidence that would stand up to a classroom of reasonably bright tenth graders.

        “Wait… you said that all the ice would melt by now. But it didn’t. You said the glaciers are all shrinking. But they aren’t. You said it would never snow again. But it did. So, we should believe anything else you say… Why, exactly?”

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_G7YIUZMXOD5JGZZTCYMVA75KFU Shadow

      I do not have a scientific background but do not need it. God blessed me with the common sense to recognize another leftist scam designed to bilk and control the people.

      • SteveCrickmore075

        I keep harping away at climate change, partly because it is a conservative 100% bete noire. They just can’t get their heads around the fact that they are damaging the envronment, by emitting so much carbon into the air-. I wonder what conservatives were like when Charles Darwin published the Origin of Species or Jackie Robinson tried to enter the major leagues. Darwin and Robinson must have met the same incongruity as climate scientists by the conservative general public. What must the executives at ExxonMobil think? These neanderthal global warming deniers are the most gullible people they have have ever met, and they are not even getting paid, unlike their hack pseudo scientists they were the operative word, funding?

        • jim_m

          ROTFLOL

          Seriously? I have a science background and I can tell you that you are full of crap. The science behind AGW is BS. If the lunatic left behind this really believed in it they would act like it’s a crisis instead of jetting around the globe spewing carbon into the atmosphere.

          If the lunatic left believed that this were real then the Kyoto treaty would not have focused on crippling western economies that are actually already reducing carbon output and they would focus on developing economies, helping them develop without increasing carbon output. But Kyoto only punished developed nations and ignored all the polluters.

          Not only is AGW not real but the left demonstrates that they don’t believe it either through their actions

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ryan-Murphy/100001624276605 Ryan Murphy

          If its so obviously correct … why are all of their models so abysmally BAD at EVER actually predicting anything correctly or even remotely close?

          • SteveCrickmore075

            I already gave you one model, probably the most well known from 1981 and one of the first, which hasn’t been far wrong. Here is another from April, 2007

            Human-induced change in Earth’s atmosphere will leave the American Southwest in perpetual drought for the next 90 years, a new study (in 2007) finds .
            The moist air is transported to temperate regions at higher latitudes. The study, published in the April 5 issue of the journal Science, found that as greenhouse gases warm the air, it can hold more moisture, so the atmospheric flow moves more water vapor out of subtropical zones and into higher latitudes. The dry areas then become drier, and the wet become wetter.
            This flow, known as the Hadley cell, features rising air over the equator and descending air over the subtropics, which suppresses precipitation.
            “And that Hadley cell, in a warming world, expands poleward,” Seager said, bringing the U.S. Southwest more under the influence of the descending air.

            That was five years ago, how is that model working out? Too bad you weren’t buying corn futures then but there are, .only 85 more years to find out conclusively if that model was abysmally bad! Thats a lot of years of prayers and saying that AGW is bunk!

          • herddog505

            Has this model been validated? If, for example, one puts in data from the past, could it predict what actually HAS happened?

            These models also told us that the Arctic would be free of ice and Britain would be free of snow. Missed the boat on those, I’d say.

          • SteveCrickmore075

            Since Hansen first made his prediction thirty years ago, about the melting Arctic, the Arctic Ice Cap is rapidly decreasing 15% a decade see dramatic pictures and story
            .
            As for Britain they are curently having the wettest summer in hundred years. with lots of flooding. Here is the Mets explanation,

          • http://opinion.ak4mc.us/ Scribe of Slog (McGehee)

            And of course next summer will be even worse, just like the hundreds — no, THOUSANDS of hurricanes we had in 2006!

          • SteveCrickmore075

            Actually we have had more hurricanes, but they have not been hitting land.Tornadoes certainly and fiercer storms!

          • jim_m

            Wrong again Stevie. DOn’t you even bother to look at the science or do you just accept whatever your AGW overlords tell you to parrot?

            Look at the linked graph and you will see that hurricane frequency is 1) cyclical and 2) on the decline.

          • http://opinion.ak4mc.us/ Scribe of Slog (McGehee)

            Wow. I laid the trap right in front of his foot while he watched, I even had Admiral Ackbar standing by to warn him — and he still stepped in it.

            That’s a true believer for you.

          • retired.military


            On’t you even bother to look at the science or do you just accept whatever your AGW overlords tell you to parrot?”

            Jim. Do you have to ask him that? You know that he just accepts the left meme without question.

          • herddog505

            Ice melt is not a well-understood process. Further, our data is relatively scanty:

            Until the long-term pattern is resolved, they suggest, it will not be possible to forecast sea level rise from Greenland’s water store with any accuracy.

            “These variations in the amount of thinning that we are able to document since the 1980s make it difficult to predict how much the world’s oceans will rise over a longer period of time – a century for instance – as a result of Greenland glacial melt-water runoff,” said study leader Prof Kurt Kjaer of the University of Copenhagen.
            “However, it is certain that many of the present calculations and computer models of ice sheet conditions that built upon a short range of years since 2000 must be reassessed.

            “It is too early to proclaim the ‘ice sheet’s future doom’ and subsequent contribution to serious water problems for the world.”

            http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-19095069

            As for the Met (you know: the guys who said that it would never snow in Britain again*):

            The jet stream, like our weather, is subject to natural variability – that is the andom nature of our weather which means it is different from week, month or year to the next.

            We expect it to move around and it has moved to the south of the UK in summertime many times before in the past. It has, however, been particularly persistent in holding that position this year – hence the prolonged unsettled weather.

            This could be due to natural variability – a bad run of coincidence, if you will – but climate scientists are conducting ongoing research to see if there are other factors at play.

            Changes in sea surface temperatures due to natural cycles may be playing a part, but there is more research to be done before anyone can establish how big a role they play.

            Research has also suggested that reducing amounts of Arctic sea-ice could be affecting weather patterns, but more research needs to be done to confirm this link. [emphasis mine - hd505]

            http://metofficenews.wordpress.com/2012/07/12/the-uks-wet-summer-the-jet-stream-and-climate-change/

            Gosh, and here I thought that the science was settled.

            What we have here is the Met saying that it’s particularly rainy in Britain (a place not exactly known for balmy, sunny weather) and they haven’t got a clue why, but they’re pretty sure that global warming has something to do with it.

            Who wants to bet that the climate scientists will – it’s magic! – find that heavy rain in Britain is TOTALLY evidence of global warming?

            Say… did the genius Hansen predict wet weather in Britain? Or did he restrict himself to saying that it’ll be hot and dry (you just wait and see!) in the Southwest?

            ====

            (*) http://sppiblog.org/news/warm-bias-how-the-met-office-mislead-the-british-public

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ryan-Murphy/100001624276605 Ryan Murphy

            Ans yet … Latest data … There has been NO significant warming over the last century and we aren’t even up to the medieval high temperatures yet.

        • jim_m

          Again you demonstrate your ignorance. The reason that ID is growing in acceptance is that Darwinian evolution has failed repeatedly to demonstrate a workable mechanism for evolution. As we have learned more about genetics it becomes clearer and clearer that we have no functional explanation for how complex organ systems evolve or how the complex biochemical reactions inside our cells evolve. Genetic theory cannot support evolution when asked about the details.

          Evolution has devolved into a blanket explanation that doesn’t really explain but asks for a religious like acceptance that something happened and by a miracle a new organ system came into being, or a new chemical reaction that enabled sight evolved, etc. You cannot point to any genetic pathway that would actually make these things happen. It’s a faith just like AGW.

          Evolution had tremendous acceptance, but people are starting to ask the tough questions and the response is “the science is settled”. Evolution, like AGW is currently non-scientific as it will not allow any dissent nor will it allow any research that might offend or challenge the current accepted theories.

          • SteveCrickmore075

            whew “evolution asks a religious like acceptance”.. I have found another chink in your amour, jim. I wonder what your conservative scientific colleagues make of your implicit support of teaching intelligent design in a science classroom pehaps on the same footing as evolution, or would you consider evolution even less worthy, a bunk science in other words, like agw?

          • jim_m

            Nope. I am not advocating teaching anything. I would appreciate some intellectual honesty about the subject though. You make an assumption about my beliefs that is not in evidence.

          • SteveCrickmore075

            Good! ( I did go to far) I wish you were really right about agw and James Hansen, because the issue is so important! From the New York Times today, another Hansen co -authored paper Study Finds More of Earth Is Hotter and Says Global Warming Is at Work

            The percentage of the earth’s land surface covered by extreme heat in the summer has soared in recent decades, from less than 1 percent in the years before 1980 to as much as 13 percent in recent years, according to a new scientific paper

            .

          • jim_m

            Your link is to the very paper that I link to the discussion showing that Hansen’s paper uses cherry picked data and that Hansen uses only the data that supports his ideology.

          • SteveCrickmore075

            you are ahead of me jim, one if my friends on facebook who writes for Scientific American put it up on his page, just now. You have quite a lot of the scientific community to convince, you know that! You are almost going to have to create your own!

          • jim_m

            Sorry, Scientific American is not that much better or more ‘scientific’ than popular mechanics. It’s where you publish papers that can’t get into real journals.

          • herddog505

            Yeah, Hansen’s got a sweet racket going on. He authors the papers that tell everybody how they are supposed to (ahem) determine global temperature*, then takes that data to say, “See! I was right! ZOMG! We’re all gonna die unless we do what I say!!!” Those scientists, in turn, cite Hansen to establish their own creds. It’s a global form of academic inbreeding.

            ===

            (*) This seems to be something like, “Look at the various data, then ‘adjust’ the outlying stations up to match the highest ones.”

          • 914

            Y’know, we are teaching intelligent design right here? Ignore the obvious and gain10 IQ points!!

    • retired.military


      Ho hum. Another climate change debate between people who haven’t read the literature, don’t have the science background to understand it, and are reacting totally in accordance with their ideological trend’s pose on the issue’

      Oh you mean like you and Steve Crickmore

  • SteveCrickmore075

    Since this post is all about predictions of ‘mother nature’ even if most of you think you can’t predict it.. Let’s see how the most well known, and controversial, agw climate scientist James Hansen, fared in his 1981 prediction. Hansen and six other NASA atmospheric physicists published an article in Science (1981) entitled “Climate Impact of Increasing Atmospheric Carbon Dioxide.”

    It is shown that the anthropogenic carbon dioxide warming should emerge from the noise level of natural climate variability by the end of the century, and there is a high probability of warming in the 1980s. Potential effects on climate in the 21st century include the creation of drought-prone regions in North America and central Asia as part of a shifting of climatic zones, erosion of the West Antarctic ice sheet with a consequent worldwide rise in sea level, and opening of the fabled Northwest Passage.”

    Was anyone else predicting this thirty years ago? Your only response for the last thirty years ago has been ridicule; meanwhile a good portion of the US faces a very, very long perhaps indefinite drought, which i’m sure you don’t want to plan ahead for since climate change is ridiculous.

    • http://opinion.ak4mc.us/ Scribe of Slog (McGehee)

      Part the Red Sea and we’ll talk.

    • jim_m

      James Hansen is a demonstrated fraud.

      You can’t just cherry pick your data to back up your points, you have to accept ALL data and make a conclusion from that data. Hansen demonstrates that not only does he not understand science, but that he is willing to profit off of an ignorant public by abusing science and misrepresenting his data for personal profit.

    • retired.military

      Steve

      Go visit the North Pole. Al Gore using his computer predictions said that it would not have any ice on it this year.

  • Vagabond661

    We lived in South Florida for 18 years. During that time, whenever a hurricane passed by the Lesser Antilles, local weathermen (who we were convinced were on the payroll of home improvement companies) would put up NHC graphs and make their predictions where the thing was going to hit. EVERYTIME we got a new graph, we got a new destination of where it would hit. The graph was finally accurate about an hour before landfall.
    If they can’t accurately predict where a hurricane will hit, much less the weather in general, how can they predict what the climate will do?

    • herddog505

      It’s that whole “climate and weather aren’t the same thing!” excuse. It’s pretty convenient: when there’s weather that AGW theory and models didn’t predict, it’s just “weather”. When there’s weather that the theory and models DID predict (even retroactively), it’s “ZOMG! GLOBAL WARMING!” Our grandparents had “cold snaps” and “Indian summer” and “April showers”; we’ve got global warming.

      Remember:

      If it’s hot, it’s global warming. If it’s cold, it’s global warming. Dry? Global warming. Wet? Global warming. Hurricanes? Global warming. Quiet hurricane season? Global warming.

      Really, there’s nothing that global warming can’t do. O’ course, the BEST thing it can do is get lots of grant money and swanky offices and scientific prizes for those who spin the best line of bullsh*t in favor of it.

      Just ask James Hansen.

      • http://opinion.ak4mc.us/ Scribe of Slog (McGehee)

        Exactly. Climate is now any atmospheric phenomenon, however transient, that promotes the AGW narrative.

        Weather, of course, is any atmospheric phenomenon, no matter how long-observed and constant, that undermines that narrative.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Thomas-Gaskin/100000074101532 Thomas Gaskin

    If the national flood insurance program had a 20 year phaseout in place, only rational building along the coasts would occur, with all risks to the owners and their private insurers.

  • retired.military


    then why shouldn’t state officials wait until the scientists recalculate their projections five years from now? I”

    Because the lefties cant get money for global warming otherwise.

  • retired.military

    I love how we are supposed to plan our lives around computer models for the weather that is supposed to be 70 years away when the weatherman on tv cant predict correctly if it is going to rain tomorrow more than 50% of the time.

    Again I say for all you lefties and especially Steve Crickmore.

    Go visit the North pole. Al Gore and his computer models said there would be no ice there this year. I have made this statement numerous times and none of the lefties have challenged me on it yet.

  • retired.military

    I love how we are supposed to plan our lives around computer models for the weather that is supposed to be 70 years away when the weatherman on tv cant predict correctly if it is going to rain tomorrow more than 50% of the time.

    Again I say for all you lefties and especially Steve Crickmore.

    Go visit the North pole. Al Gore and his computer models said there would be no ice there this year. I have made this statement numerous times and none of the lefties have challenged me on it yet.