Great Moments in Liberal Journalism

  • herddog505

    I suppose the just didn’t have room for the real headline:

    Ryan Will Hurt Romney in Florida Once We’re Done With Him

    • Hugh_G

      Again – you betcha!

      • http://opinion.ak4mc.us/ Scribe of Slog (McGehee)

        You sure are commenting a lot on this one thread. Hitting close to him, is it?

        • Hugh_G

          Did you mean close to home? If so, no. I’m overjoyed at the wingnut ticket.

  • jim_m

    Does anyone honestly believe that they wouldn’t have run that very same headline with any candidate’s name? They probably had that 90% prewritten weeks ago and just had to do a find and replace for Ryan’s name.

    • Commander_Chico

      No, not if it was Rubio.

      • jim_m

        Yes, even if it was Rubio. Hell, especially if it were Rubio. They would claim that Rubio was damaged goods with the Cuban community, alienated other Hispanics and as a conservative was severely off-putting to everyone else.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZ5BM5GNLA54OADSWGSXAMA7SY Jay

        Rubio would have helped, but Ryan makes it far worse for Florida in particular. This is just one headline. The number of headlines that show the facts about Paul Ryan in Florida are quite staggering.

        • Vagabond661

          Since people were turned away at this event because security couldn’t keep up makes those mystery headlines you are referring to kinda silly.

          • herddog505

            In all fairness, the size of the crowd at a political event may not be a particularly reliable indicator of the candidate’s popularity. Politicians are known, for example, to bus people in, and MiniTru certainly isn’t above playing fast and loose with numbers and photos to make the crowds seem larger or smaller, depending on whether or not they support the candidate.

          • Vagabond661

            Sure, it was more of a lack of links from Jay.

        • jim_m

          Once again the idiot leftist comes in with a contra factual argument. I will remind you of the July Rassmussen survey regarding ryan:

          Despite the attacks on Ryan over his budget plan, he’s easily the most liked of the short-listers among likely voters 65 years of age and over, with a 52/29 favorability rating. His “very favorable” rating of 31% in the 65+ group is more than 10 points better than the other shortlisters in the Rasmussen survey

          So Ryan actually polls very favorably with the 65+ crowd because they can do the math and they know that the dems are lying to them about medicare. They also know that obama cut $500B from Medicare in his obamacare plan so any claims from the dems that obama is protecting medicare are on their face completely bogus.

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZ5BM5GNLA54OADSWGSXAMA7SY Jay

            You’re going to believe a poll over the fact that Ryan is going to Iowa instead of Florida?

            Right Jim… Tell me, what’s the advantage of Ryan as VP now?

          • jim_m

            Yeah, I think I will take a scientifically conducted poll from a reputable polling agency over the uninformed and highly partisan speculation of an idiot like you who has no direct access to the candidates and is ignorantly presuming to know their motivations.

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZ5BM5GNLA54OADSWGSXAMA7SY Jay

            *sigh*

            Ryan’s a possible liability. Heh, it’s going to be fun watching him answer questions on how he’ll gut the program and turn it into a voucher program that makes costs more expensive for those under 55.

          • djdrummond

            Wow. Scare tactics from the Left. Who’da expected that?

            What? They ALWAYS do that?

            Well, sure. What are they going to do, defend Obama’s record?

          • jim_m

            Jay would rather bash on Ryan’s plan instead of addressing the actual math (which he probably doesn’t understand) or addressing the obama admin’s radical defunding of Medicare. obama stripped Medicare bare to fund his pbamacare monstrosity, but Jay will never address that reality.

          • Hugh_G

            I’m all for it. You betcha! Cause those scary facts are usually true. You double betcha!

          • jim_m

            So you furnish me a link to a posting of headlines to stories that are more hyper leftist speculation meant, not to inform, but to steer public opinion.

            Show me some data douchebag.

          • jim_m

            Perhaps Ryan should just quote obama:

            I think Paul [Ryan], for example, the head of the Budget Committee, has looked at the budget and has made a serious proposal. I’ve read it. I can tell you what’s in it. And there’s some ideas in there that I would agree with

            Or maybe you want to argue that obama is too stupid to understand the math?

          • http://www.rustedsky.net JLawson

            At this point, I doubt he could tell the difference between a million, a billion, and a trillion without a teleprompter.

          • retired.military

            Actually it gives choices to those under 55 for one. Also it starts to address the $40 trillion in unfunded liability the medicare program has. Guess what. The rich dont have $40 trillion to tax.

            Also all those retired folks in florida dont just sit around and look at the printed MSM trash anymore. They have things called the internet where they can find out the truth. The same goes for those under 55 as well. Especially those that arent sheeple or democrat lemmings.

          • jim_m

            Of course the rich don’t have that kind of money. But Jay is happy to impose his communist ideology and redistribute everyone’s wealth against their will.
            It doesn’t matter how much the rich have as long as we make them poor. Well not really all the rich, just the one’s the left chooses to demonize. The actors and actresses can keep their money. The parasites wasteing billions on dumbass green energy companies can keep theirs. The union chiefs can keep theirs. But if you owned a business you’re screwed. Go get in the bread lines.

          • Commander_Chico

            .

            A guy who lived in socialism his whole working life (military life is socialism – state medical clinics, state PX stores, state housing, state-subsidized commissary, state recreational facilities, even state newspaper and radio and TV overseas (AFN and Stars and Stripes)), who already has free care for life worrying about the deficit caused by Granny getting free care.

            The choice faced by those under 55 when they get old under the Ryan Medicare plan is this: pay a shitload of money in premiums, or die. See the graphic (all figures in 2022 dollars):
            http://www.cepr.net/documents/publications/ryan-medicare-2011-04.pdf

          • herddog505

            Quite aside from fact that I disagree with the tired meme that military service = socialism, let’s take it at face value. Let’s assume that this person who lived the good life serving with the colors (it’s like a thirty-year paid vacation!) DID live in a socialist state. Well, who better to know its limitations? Who better to know, “Um… there’s got to be something better than this?”

          • Commander_Chico

            .

            He would have to give up the perqs of the socialist state before being able to honestly complain about it. Renounce his Tricare and sign on to a version of the Ryan Medicare plan. Never shop in the commissary or PX again. No trips to Garmisch, the New Sanno Hotel, or Shades of Green or all of the other little nice little places (NS Mayport has lodging near the beach).

            This piece is pretty much on target, except she forgot to mention the subsidized vacation centers, boat and RV rentals, etc.:

            Welfare State
            Meet America’s socialist military.

            As the spouse of a career Army officer, I’m stunned by the range of available benefits. Health care? Free! Groceries? Military commissaries save military families roughly 30 percent over shopping in civilian stores. Education benefits? Career personnel can expect the military to finance additional higher education, and the post-9/11 GI Bill provides up to 36 months of benefits to veterans, amounting, in effect, to full tuition and fees for four academic years. (The education benefit is also transferable to dependents.)

            Housing? Free on base and subsidized off-base (the housing allowance goes up with family size: from each according to his ability, to each according to his need). Pensions? After 20 years of service, military personnel can retire and immediately begin to receive, at the ripe old age of 40 or so, an annual pension equal to half their salary — for the rest of their lives. Anyone who thinks socialism failed in America has never spent time on a military base.

            http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2012/07/19/welfare_state

            All that stuff is pretty good – I don’t see too many people turning down their pink and blue ID cards and pensions. What limitations are you referring to? The lost chance to build your character by living in hardship? I can think of one – busybodies and mandatory free labor for clean-up days in military housing. But you don’t have to live in military housing in most places.

          • jim_m

            All that stuff is pretty good

            And paid for by taxing a capitalist economy. Try providing all of that with the underpinnings of a bankrupt socialist state. You’re not going to provide this using the economic model of California.

            The military is not socialism. The military is the military. But if you want to liken it to socialism I would say that you are omitting the repressive restrictions on freedom in general, the lack of constitutional freedoms in specific, and the enormous intrusion into your personal life.

            Yes, the military is a lot like a socialist state when you view it that way, but it is still not socialism.

          • Commander_Chico

            It’s pretty close. But I was just pointing out the irony of retired military bitching about the cost of Medicare.

            If Ryan’s plan passes, they’ll be a lot of old folks dying alone in their blood and vomit in 2040. The USA can do better.

          • jim_m

            All that stuff is pretty good

            And paid for by taxing a capitalist economy. Try providing all of that with the underpinnings of a bankrupt socialist state. You’re not going to provide this using the economic model of California.

            The military is not socialism. The military is the military. But if you want to liken it to socialism I would say that you are omitting the repressive restrictions on freedom in general, the lack of constitutional freedoms in specific, and the enormous intrusion into your personal life.

            Yes, the military is a lot like a socialist state when you view it that way, but it is still not socialism.

          • http://www.rustedsky.net JLawson

            As a Reservist, when we’ve gone to the Kingdom of the Mouse we’ve stayed away from the Shades of Green resort. I’m eligible – but between the lovely bride and myself, we’re doing okay. Leave that for the folks on active duty, still on military pay, looking at this as the big splurge they’ve saved a few years for. I’ll not snag one of those rooms and maybe displace a family. They deserve it.

            I’ll take (and have taken) discounted tickets though – they can always print more, while Shades of Green is almost always, I understand, full up.

          • Commander_Chico

            I’ve been to Garmisch and the New Sanno – while on active duty.

            Your point about reserves and retired displacing active duty is well-taken, but a lot of facilities have plenty of vacancies.

            Unfortunately, “privatization” is taking its toll – they privatized the lodging at Ft. Myer last year and the price more than doubled to more than $250 a room. Plus they closed the billeting at Ft. McNair, a lovely old brick building right on the Potomac.

          • SCSIwuzzy

            *sigh*
            The same articles, by the same authors, in multiple papers.
            7 papers
            2 by Hunt and Thomas (same articles each time)
            3 are reprints of Caputo
            So only 4 articles.
            Do you ever follow your own links…

          • jim_m

            Jay is a lefty. If he repeats a lie often enough it will become true.

          • Hugh_G

            Have you ever referenced anything but the whore-Republican Rasmussen pole. Just curious?

        • retired.military

          THe headline you dont see

          “IF you are over 55 than Ryan’s plan has no effect on you”

          Nor will you see it. The MSM have to keep the truth out of the eyes of the public to try to help Obama get reelected.

          Jay
          Since there were a number of headlines showing the truth about Ryan in Florida please share them with us with links.

      • retired.military

        Bullshit Chico. Werent you the one claiming that Rubio had some scandal and that is why he didnt get the nod. Or was that Hugh or Steve ?

        • Hugh_G

          Not me. But hey – no doubt there’s one out there percolating.

    • herddog505

      I agree. “[Insert Republican here] will cut your Medicare / Social Security and start a war!” have been boilerplate for the left since at least Reagan; certainly the “he’ll start a war!” bit goes back at least to Goldwater.

      Incidentally, it appears that CBS accidentally-not-on-purpose-nothing-to-see-here edited out Ryan remarking that his MOTHER is a Medicare recipient in Florida. Now, I realize that we nasty ol’ reichwing rethuglikkkans hate old people, but even our own mothers and grandmothers???

  • JWH

    Actually, Ryan could very well end up hurting Romney in Florida. But the damage won’t be apparent for another couple months.

  • http://www.facebook.com/tom.higgens.92 Tom Higgens

    You have got to be kidding me. Seriously this is bias? No Ryan didn’t have a plan to dramatically alter medicare which wouldn’t have concerned the state’s many retirees at all. Can you guys whine any more ridiculously? Seriously.

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