Here’s An Old Mitt Romney “Scandal” You’re Supposed To Care About

August 18, 2012 | Filed under Mitt Romney,The Looney Left | Posted by

Diarist TeamSarah4Choice at DailyKos makes the following claim:

Between April 2002 through June 2002, Mitt Romney, knowingly, willingly and with forethought intentionally lied to the People of Massachusetts regarding his 1999-2001 Tax Returns when he falsely claimed to the MA People that he had listed Massachusetts as his residency on his 1999-2001 Federal and State Tax Returns.

No need to veer into the left-wing fever swamp, as the supposed proof offered only contradicts the over-hyped assertion.

Why? Because from April 2002 on forward Romney’s amended returns did show his residency as Massachusetts. Amended returns once processed, become the new tax return, changing the original return to include new information. No need to trust me on that, you can see what form 1040X [PDF] says on the first page.

Form 1040X will be your new tax return, changing your original return to include new information. The entries you make on Form 1040X under the columns headed Correct amount and Correct number or amount are the entries you would have made on your original return had it been done correctly.

The amended returns Mitt Romney filled in April 2002 were his official tax returns. From that point forward saying his tax returns showed Massachusetts as his primary residence was 100% true.

I’ll admit to having my eyes glaze over at the repetition of the various forms of the word lied in that DailyKos piece so I can’t say for sure if I saw any assertion that there were statements made prior to April 2002, but since it’s not a part of their main claim I will assume that those statements weren’t made.

A New York Times article not linked at the site tells you all you need to know about this “scandal.”

A state commission ruled today that Mitt Romney, the Republican candidate for governor, is eligible to run, despite contentions by Democrats that he did not comply with Massachusetts residency requirements while living in Utah for the last three years.

The Massachusetts Ballot Law Commission, composed of three Republicans, a Democrat and an independent, unanimously ruled that Mr. Romney had maintained his residency status in Massachusetts while serving as head of the Salt Lake City Olympic committee.

…Until early June, Mr. Romney said that he had paid his taxes as a Massachusetts resident while in Utah. Later he acknowledged that in April, after deciding to run for governor, he amended his 1999 and 2000 tax returns to say he was really a Massachusetts resident.

Mr. Romney told the Ballot Law Commission that the mistake had been called to his attention late last year and that efforts to amend the returns were under way before he became a candidate. He suggested that his accountants had made an inadvertent filing mistake, which he did not notice at the time.

Mr. Romney also submitted utility bills, phone bills and Massachusetts property tax bills as evidence that he had maintained his Belmont, Mass., home as his legal residence while in Utah.

We present this non-story for the very same reason that this site argued for Rahm Emanual in his battle to remain on the ballot in the mayor’s race in Chicago. Moving from one state to another for a job doesn’t necessarily mean you are giving up residency.

In this case the election commission determined that Romney met the residency requirement.

End of story. End of “scandal.”

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  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Suzi-Saul/100003455034311 Suzi Saul

    Yep, he changed them AFTER TELLING THE LIE and getting caught! He had no intention of amending those returns and losing the money he was saving by being a Utah resident, until his run at governor was in jeopardy. DISHONEST! He hid his tax returns, trying to keep it a secret. What’s he hiding this time?

    • SCSIwuzzy

      You’re right. Only a liar has something to hide. He should stop lying, and release his sealed college transcripts
      And his law records

      • http://www.facebook.com/Igorchuck Charles Cascales

        President Obama’s college transcripts are not “sealed.” He will release them whenever other candidates for public office do- Very strange that no candidate other than Obama has been asked to release their education records. He was magna c-m laude at one of the most highly regarded law schools in the country and idiots are questioning whether he is intelligent. Bush was a C student at Yale, never showed his records and nobody cared. http://www.factcheck.org/2012/07/obamas-sealed-records/

        • SCSIwuzzy

          Immune to sarcasm, huh Chuckles?

          • http://www.facebook.com/Igorchuck Charles Cascales

            no- just don’t like lies.

          • SCSIwuzzy

            Then you must despise Biden and Obama

          • jim_m

            We can’t get his transcripts. He did have his Illinois Senate records sealed so we can’t look at those. He has persuaded the LAT to keep hidden the Khalidi video so we cannot find out what he said on that occasion. What exactly should the President be saying to one group of people that needs to be hidden from the public?

            obama has hidden his past very successfully. He has accomplished precious little in is life other than being handed money and influence.He’s been a disaster as president because he has no experience in doing anything other than telling people how great he is.

          • Jwb10001

            Then you should stop repeating them!

        • retired.military

          Bullshit. Actually Bush and Kerry both released theirs.

          Funny how you say Bush never released his records but somehow you know he was a C student.

    • herddog505

      Obvious: he’s trying to hide that he went to college as a foreign-exchange student to get various scholarships and so forth. He also doesn’t want people to know about the money he got from Tony Rezko.

    • GarandFan

      Yeah, can you imagine that! A supposedly knowledgeable and intelligent guy blaming a COMPUTER PROGRAM for underpaying his taxes! And he didn’t file an amended return until AFTER he was nominated for public office.

    • retired.military

      Boy the Obama bots are out in force today. Either that or one persons multiple accounts.

      We dont know what he is hiding. Why dont you tell us since you know so much.

  • JWH

    I still don’t think Romney’s tax returns will tell us much of anything beyond the fact that he’s rich. Unless there’s a deduction for eating a baby in his tax returns, it’s a nonstory.

    • jim_m

      Well yeah. Because being rich is evil and Romney became rich through the greed of business. obama, Reid and Pelosi are rich but that’s OK because they are protectors of the people and are gifted with a greater understanding of our needs and what is good for us.

      SO when they lie about their programs, when they lie about what is in the legislation they are pushing, when their flunkies lie and cheat on their taxes, that’s OK because they are only doing that for our own good. We are too ignorant to understand that their becoming millionaires by parasitically diverting tax payer money into their own pockets is really for our own good.

    • http://www.facebook.com/jeff.seussalias Jeff Seussalias

      Romney’s real tax returns might tell his church something (takes more than babbling to sort that ‘hypothesis” out, figure it out yourself, all the “dots” are there)

  • http://twitter.com/braggiotti John Braggiotti

    Our Debt is rising, unemployment is out of control, education is in the gutter……is OBAMA going to continue this path…that is the real question…..I live in California once a great producing state …..now we are drowning in debt thanks to the LIBERALS elected….we pay almost 30% in Gas Tax and will most likely grow from here….so I guess only the rich 1 % purchase Gas?????Wake up people the LIBERAL MEDIA wants us to ignore the main issues

    • Steve Gerety

      Yah, having a republican governor for 8 years sure helped!

      • jim_m

        Just like Bloomberg in NYC is a republican, some people are republican not because they support the party but because it offers a pathway to election that is clear of any opposition.

  • http://www.facebook.com/jeff.seussalias Jeff Seussalias

    …Until
    early June, Mr. Romney said that he had paid his taxes as a
    Massachusetts resident while in Utah. Later he acknowledged that in
    April, after deciding to run for governor, he amended his 1999 and 2000
    tax returns to say he was really a Massachusetts resident.

    Riiiggggghhhhttt. end of story huh…amazing that you can’t figure out what state you “live in”.. in a few YEARS… ;) “flip flop” residency..

    • Vagabond661

      Man if that is all you got, hang it up. We have almost 4 years of over 8% unemployment and the weakest “recovery” EVER!.

      • http://www.facebook.com/jeff.seussalias Jeff Seussalias

        Blame Congress 90% do…….;)

        • Vagabond661

          Blame Bush. That’s what Obama do.

          • http://www.facebook.com/jeff.seussalias Jeff Seussalias

            blame congress for not fixing, yes Bush is still to blame for the major problems (How is that unpaid for by a “penny” DOD “trust fund” doing Trillions “off the books”)

          • Vagabond661

            How can you honestly blame Bush and congress and not blame Obama? Quite the contortionist.

          • http://www.facebook.com/jeff.seussalias Jeff Seussalias

            Is if because you are so polarized in your thinking (there are more derogatory terms) that you can’t understand that supporting one does not infer complete agreement or acceptance? What part of the phrase “best of 2 evils” don’t you comprehend?
            Boehner/Ryan/Cantor/Romney are worse for this country than anything on the “opposite side”. not to mention Boehner can’t even say the word compromise on National TV.. THAT helps move a country. In case you haven’t noticed we are not some “bee collective” with a hive mentality…as you would prefer.

          • Vagabond661

            Me polarized? Sounds like the kettle response pardner. Seeing where the country is right now how can anyone with a capitalist mind say that Obama will be better than Romney for the next 4 years?
            And compromise is the most bs term uttered in politics. What Democrats want you to do is compromise and do what they want you to do.
            Point out some examples that Harry Reid compromised. Or just one.

          • http://www.facebook.com/jeff.seussalias Jeff Seussalias

            Sorry don’t follow ALL the voting that close .. Boehner’s sphincter tightening on 60 minutes was enough for me..
            ……………………….
            John Boehner on 60 Minutes. Boehner told her the Republicans were ready to govern, and she said, “Governing means compromising.”
            He answered, “It means working together.”
            “It also means compromising,” she said.
            “It means finding common ground,” he answered.

            She kept pushing him about why he was unwilling to say “compromise,” until he finally answered, “I reject the word.”
            Margalit suggests that we really should be judged by our compromises
            more than by our ideals. As he puts it: “Ideals may tell us something
            important about what we would like to be. But compromises tell us who we
            are.”…………..
            http://www.npr.org/2011/07/19/138468870/what-the-word-compromise-really-means

            Short memories………..

          • Vagabond661

            So where did Obama compromise again?

            And by the way, I am not a big fan of Boehner but his views on compromise are pretty much mine.

            So Obama, being President and all for the last 3.5 years, the same President who spent the last of the TARP money, who passed 2 stimulus packages that did absolutely squat,is not to blame for nothing and Congress and Bush is.

          • Vagabond661

            Or any democrat.

          • http://www.facebook.com/jeff.seussalias Jeff Seussalias
          • Vagabond661

            Son I was on this earth long before Fox came along and can think for myself. But apparently your answer to “Isn’t Obama to blame?” is not to answer and change the goalposts.

    • jim_m

      So your complaint was that he PAID his taxes? What exactly then is your excuse for Tim Geithner? “Some people are more equal than others?” You are just another example of how the left views laws as never applying to themselves.

      • http://www.facebook.com/jeff.seussalias Jeff Seussalias

        and you can’t read..where did I say ANYTHING about paying his taxes?
        First paragraph is a quote…..

        • jim_m

          early June, Mr. Romney said that he had paid his taxes

          I read it where you wrote it. dumbass. Your complaint is that he paid his taxes as a resident of one state and then changed his mind.

          Again, I will wager you have nothing to complain about when it was revealed that Geithner didn’t pay his taxes. If Romney had skipped out on $34,000 in taxes he owed, your head would be spinning so fast we could wrap a copper wire around it and generate enough electricity to power NYC for a year.

          • http://www.facebook.com/jeff.seussalias Jeff Seussalias

            Geitner has nothing to do w/ cherry picking residency for political expediency..

          • jim_m

            Can you state where this was illegal? I can state where what Geithner did was illegal and for you or me it probably would have come with jail time.

          • http://www.facebook.com/jeff.seussalias Jeff Seussalias

            not to change the subject (but it seems to be what you expect) Mitts little narco Cuban “fruit stand” owner got 3 years for smuggling a TON of cocaine. If you really want to go into what is “fair” in the justice system, well it its pretty obvous that regardless of party the rich and powerful get off easy..Geithner is no different than hundreds (or thousands) of others, regardless of party.
            so it is meaningless to discuss..
            As I said Mitt flipped from one state and flopped to another end of facts. some things don’t have to be “illegal” to be errr “shady”.. My opinion, live w/ it.. ;)

          • jim_m

            That’s funny coming from a lefty who supports the dems who define everything as acceptable as long as you cannot be convicted. It’s a little rich being lectured by a lefty about appearances of impropriety from a lefty who supports a party that routinely runs people indicted for corruption.

          • http://www.facebook.com/jeff.seussalias Jeff Seussalias

            Who said I was a lefty??? And I never said it was “acceptable” Though I’m still waiting for someone to throw a banker in jail.. ;)
            thinking no “conservative” ever got away (or ever commits) a crime is living in some fantasy world..

          • Vagabond661

            If you don’t think “mittens” is the answer, do you think Obama is?

          • http://www.facebook.com/jeff.seussalias Jeff Seussalias

            He will do less harm.. how “lefty” is that statement..
            when Obama said he was going to do healthcare the “american way” i.e Romnycare (no single payer). he lost me
            Unfortunately the “right” had (discounting Romnycare) nothing, zip, zero, nada, except for “tort reform” a wart on the as of healthcare problems..
            Medicare for all.. oh wait “mittens” doesn’t really like it (yes exaggeration)

          • jim_m

            You obviously know zip about health care. You also know zip about alternative plans for health care. It is more than tort reform. You could take care of just as many people without insurance by allowing pretax deductability for health insurance for the self employed. You could give access to Medicaid to people on unemployment. These and more were proposed by the right. If you didn’t hear those options it was because you had your lefty head up obama’s ass kissing it.

            You are so obviously a lefty and your denials only make it more obvious. You support obama in everything he does and discount conservative options as either non existent or ineffectual without knowing anything about them.

          • http://www.facebook.com/jeff.seussalias Jeff Seussalias

            Medicaid has a state component.. States can’t afford it. The easiest and most cost effective method is Medicare for all.. BTW: IF you actually understood how our fiat currency REALLY works, you wouldn’t even have to tax for it..
            Her prepare yourself for a shocker.. Fed should eliminate ALL payroll taxes..period..

          • jim_m

            Go look at the NHS in Britain and tell me that the best way is medicaid for all. The problem with government run healthcare is that like obamacare the focus is not on actually cutting health care costs, but simply on cutting what is paid for that healthcare and then expecting the same results. No socialize health care system provides the patient outcomes that ours does. NONE. What you are advocating is poorer quality care so you can pay less money, The reality is that what you get is poorer quality care for more money.

            You also forget that healthcare is 1/6th of the economy. We are in the worst economy since the great depression. You are demanding that we shrink 1/6th of that economy and expecting that we should turn economic growth around. Only an idiot thinks that you can do that.

          • http://www.facebook.com/jeff.seussalias Jeff Seussalias

            Really no time to address all the errors and ass-u-mptions in your post.. just note that GB is in another recession on the back of it’s austerity..
            WHO statistics (besides some specialties) actually prove you wrong.. We rank 1st in NOTHING but cost.

          • jim_m

            I was actually waiting for you to bring up the WHO rankings. They have been so discredited that WHO no longer does them. WHO used 5 criteria and only one was in any way related to outcomes. The rankings were about how socialized your system was. The US scored poor on that.

            I have worked in health care for 23 years and know what I am talking about. Canada ranks behind the US in health outcomes. The typical Canadian colon cancer patient has an 80% chance of survival at diagnosis, They have a 40% chance of survival after the wait to begin therapy because the wait is so long.

            A few years ago thousands died in the heat wave in France. They died in hospitals that had no air conditioning because they can’t afford it.

            Liam Neeson’s wife died in Canada from a skiing accident because they determined hat a helicpoter was not as cost efficient per mile as an airplane. Except of course that an airplane can’t do the short hop transfers that a helicopter does. SHe died because some bureaucrat was too stupid to understand healthcare.

            People flock to the US for healthcare because our system is the best in the world for outcomes. You cannot dispute that fact.

          • http://www.facebook.com/jeff.seussalias Jeff Seussalias

            EU and their “hybrid” money system beholden to private banks makes them NOT like the US in anything.
            how many died post Katrina???

            Speaking of cherry picking.. Yes the US is “up there” in some specialities. (already mentioned that) . Try to use them if you have no health insurance..Care to argue infant mortality in the Us.or longevity as compared the the “civilized” world???

          • jim_m

            Data dumbass. Post it.

            I just gave you data above showing that cancer survival rates imply that people without insurance still get treated . I can verify this from my own experience.

            This has nothing to do with money.

            Infant mortality rates are bullshit. Each country reports them according to their own standard. Some count babies dieing within 6 months of birth as stillborn. Stillborn children don’t count in infant mortality rates.

            Longevity is not related to healthcare it is related to genetics and lifestyle. SO you are suggesting that the government should control lifestyle in such a way as to maximize longevity? Nice fascist state you are advocating.

            However, 5 year survival rates are standardized by the oncology community. I’ve given you standardized data to look at. You’ve given me talking points that are pure bullshit.

          • http://www.facebook.com/jeff.seussalias Jeff Seussalias

            Across 42 performance indicators, the U.S. achieves a total score of 64
            out of a possible 100, when comparing national rates with domestic and
            international benchmarks. Overall, the U.S. failed to improve relative
            to these benchmarks, which in many cases rose. Costs were up sharply,
            access to care deteriorated, health system efficiency remained low,
            disparities persisted, and health outcomes failed to keep pace with
            benchmarks. The Affordable Care Act targets many of the gaps identified
            by the Scorecard.
            http://www.commonwealthfund.org/Publications/Fund-Reports/2011/Oct/Why-Not-the-Best-2011.aspx?page=all
            HOW many studies do you want.. there are literally dozens few support you.. except in that one limited area.

          • jim_m

            Jesus, are you serious?? WTF?

            You are linking a study that counts as quality of health care systems the country’s smoking rate? and how good their computer systems are? These are not health care you fool.

            It also includes the bogus infant mortality rates I discussed and lifestyle issues like obesity. THESE ARE NOT HEALTH CARE RELATED!!!

            Nor is the rate of people having health insurance. You ignorantly confuse paying for health care with the quality of health care. I have shown that even people without insurance must be receiving care.

            You point to a bullshit political study that probably had the executive summary written before the data was collected.

            How many studies do I want? I’d like you to show me one that actually addresses quality of care. You talk about lifestyle issues. You talk about insurance. You talk about issues like infant mortality that are not comparable from country to country. Show me a study that looks at health care outcomes genius.

          • jim_m

            The more I look at that study the more bogus it is. They look at primary care physician access, but it is not about being able to see someone, it is that the patient hasn’t bothered to maintain a relationship with a physician. How is this got anything to do with the healthcare system? Are you saying that government should force people to go to a physician? You really are scary in your totalitarian ideas.

          • jim_m

            OK I took a detailed look at the 42 measures of “health system efficiency” . Of those 42 few related in any way to the quality of care and over half of those the study could not report what the measurement of quality was. The whole thing was subjective. Many of the measures are issues of patient noncompliance.

            Of the 7 “Healthy Lives” measurements 6 were lifestyle related and the 7th, infant mortality, we have discussed how it is not an apples to apples comparison.

            Of the 21 “Quality” ratings 10 were related to patient involvement issues. (what the hell is “patient centered hospital care”? and how does that affect outcomes? they don’t say). Of the remaining 11 several were related to nursing home care, which is not necessarily a “health care related issue since nursing home care is not covered by health insurance.

            All of the remaining 13 “access” and “efficiency” ratings related to measures of how socialized the system is and not to actual health care of patients.

            Of the 42 only 2 related to health care outcomes.

          • http://www.facebook.com/jeff.seussalias Jeff Seussalias

            Problem is it will always be “you know better” and the “statistics are “rigged”…typical denial tactic..

          • jim_m

            No. Your stats are bogus and not related to healthcare. I never claimed that the data was rigged I said that the issues you bring up are not measured uniformly or simply do not relate to health care. You are far too ignorant to even understand what healthcare is apparently. You cite a study that says the US has a crappy system because people smoke or people are fat. That has nothing to do with the healthcare system.

            Again, I have asked to show how our health care system is worse. Not how we pay for it. Not how our lifestyle makes us unhealthy. Not how people fail to see a doctor of their own accord. You’ve been very good at pointing out those kinds of studies.

            You’ve also been good at pointing out infant mortality. How’s this: Find me a study where infant mortality is defined in the same way in every nation. As I mentioned, some count babies that die s few months after birth as stillborn in their statistics. The US sends babies to the NICU and if they die there it is counted as infant mortality. Even some western nations don’t count those as infant mortality.

            You don’t know what you are talking about and it shows.

          • http://www.facebook.com/jeff.seussalias Jeff Seussalias

            Oh yes a “great conspiracy” to take over your life is brewing..by making healthcare a national priority…
            Really did you ever care to THINK how much freer business would be if it didn’t have to worry about things like benefits for healthcare.. How much more money they would have? How less overhead managing it? Of course you didn’t. To you it is not financial nor economic.. purely moral/ideological.
            There is really no way to fight that..

          • jim_m

            Hey, dumbass, business IS free to not provide healthcare insurance. Business provides it because it helps them compete for quality employees. You are a complete idiot since you obviously do not even know that businesses are not compelled to provide insurance (at least not yet).

            Actually, your argument would be a good one against obamacare.

          • http://www.facebook.com/jeff.seussalias Jeff Seussalias

            since you are incapable of debate i’ll have to do most of the legwork for you:
            AT BEST:
            http://articles.latimes.com/2012/mar/15/opinion/la-oe-conover-health-myths-20120315
            The U.S. does perform worse on so-called avoidable deaths amenable
            to medical treatment. This measure likewise has many flaws, not the
            least of which is that such deaths constitute only a fraction of overall
            deaths. A more relevant comparison might be cancer, which is the
            second-leading cause of death in the United States. Cancer patients live
            longer in the U.S. than in any other country.
            There are many
            problems with the U.S. health system. But figuring out how to fix them
            requires a clear understanding of where we fall short. Too often,
            Americans appear to think that other countries, such as Canada, Britain
            or France, offer a “magic bullet” healthcare system that would cure our
            ills.Soooooooooooo why not take “their system” patch it to our admittedly broken one and make it better..
            BTW: dumbass wins you no points..but a good way to make you look stupid…….

            THE MARKET compels them to buy insurance as a hiring point..guess you really don’t understand capitalism…

          • jim_m

            Or maybe you;d like this study. Finland compares well, although it still lags behind the US. Maybe you would like to argue that providing healthcare in a nation with a population smaller than the Chicago metropolitan area should be a model for a nation 126 times larger.

            You have no concept of what you are talking about. Even small nations with homogenous populations cannot get the results we do.

          • jim_m

            Come on. Let’s see you pony up some real data on how bad our system is in real health care outcomes. I’ll give you this. Note that Prostate, Melanoma and Breast Ca all have higher 5 year survival rates than there are people insured. That means that even the uninsured are getting treated in the US.

          • http://www.facebook.com/jeff.seussalias Jeff Seussalias

            YES for cancer treatment.. and that is about it…….. Cancer has a high profit margin..

          • jim_m

            All the more reason that they should go somewhere else because by that argument we are overcharging. The fact is that you live with our system, you die elsewhere.

          • Vagabond661

            I would venture to guess that the state of Mass is in much better shape than the state of the union.

          • http://www.facebook.com/jeff.seussalias Jeff Seussalias

            perhaps because of “romnycare”???

          • jim_m

            Actually, in Mass, healthcare has grown from 28% of the state budget before Romneycare to 54% today. It will continue to grow in the future. Romneycare is swiftly bankrupting the state.

            It is actually a good case for letting the states experiment because you won’t have the entire nation going down the tubes financially that way. But then , that is the point of obamacare, to bankrupt the nation.

            The only reason that the nation is worse off than Mass is that obama is running in into the ground. Look at the last budget he passed… oh wait he hasn’t passed on in over 3 years. The last time the Senate voted on a budget he proposed it went down 97-0 and that was with a filibuster proof Senate.

          • jim_m

            Your statement implies that the American way ought to be a socialist single payer system. Sorry, but that has never been the American way. You can also look at socialized systems anywhere in the world and see that no where on earth does any other system generate the successful health outcomes that we achieve. Every other nation lags behind the US in cancer survival, the one medical field where detail data are maintained on rates of occurrence and survival.

            Your lefty position is that there is only one solution and that is total socialism. You know nothing about the alternatives because you dismiss them without even bothering to find out what they are. You claim that your system is the best, yet it has been tried elsewhere and has failed everywhere it has been tried.

          • jim_m

            OK. You say you are not a lefty but you start out with bogus and ignorant claims about Romney’s IRA’s. You then start in on obamacare and trot out every lefty trope on healthcare for the last 30 years. IF you aren’t a brain dead lefty you do an awfully good impression of one.

          • Evil Otto

            They always say they’re not lefties. Rare is the liberal who is honest about it, even when they’re spouting standard-issue leftist talking points.

          • jim_m

            Honest liberal. There’s an oxymoron for you.

          • http://www.facebook.com/jeff.seussalias Jeff Seussalias

            Can I interrrrupt the circle jerk here..
            how many “liberals” say “end all fed payroll taxes”?………..
            It’s not a trick question…………

          • http://www.facebook.com/jeff.seussalias Jeff Seussalias

            Oh yes conservatives are soooo honest.. in the part of the “story” they tell you..It’s the part they don’t tell you is the problem.. See it’s not lying unless you consider it a lie of omission.. Like EXACTLY what loopholes Ryan/Romney will close to “cough cough” “balance the budget”……….

            “What you’re going to see is a campaign that has clear direction, but
            not a Simpson-Bowles or Ryan-budget level of detail,” the adviser told
            Politico. “It’s not only politically unwise to do that, but it’s not how
            the voters engage in a presidential campaign.”

            Ryan said earlier this week that he plans to discuss tax plans, but not until after the election.

            SURE who needs FACTS……. certainly not “the people” just wink wink direction..

          • retired.military

            In other words you cant state where it was illegal so you went “Hey look, a shiney”

          • http://www.facebook.com/jeff.seussalias Jeff Seussalias

            I stated it was my opinion.. Hard to vote for someone who can’t even decide where he lives.. ;)

          • retired.military

            Nope. That would be john Kerry and his Yacht which he still hasnt paid taxes in Mass for.

          • http://www.facebook.com/jeff.seussalias Jeff Seussalias

            Geithner would end up being confirmed, as a number of prominent Republican senators concluded that
            $34,000 he

            initially failed to pay (he eventually paid the full amount)
            was not an egregious enough misstep to leave an important post
            unoccupied.
            …………………..
            Funny isn’t it…

          • jim_m

            10 GOP senators voted for the tax cheat. Most were RINO’s.

            3 dems voted against him (Feinstein, Byrd and Harkin, not exactly light weights), 3 more didn’t vote (we will excuse Teddy Kennedy on this )

            Would he have ever paid if he had not wanted to be Treasury Sec? Nope.

            I know that the left always finds it funny when they break the law and get away with it.

          • http://www.facebook.com/jeff.seussalias Jeff Seussalias

            your a very simple person, if you believe that.
            THE DAY you tell me you want the “banks” prosecuted.. I’ll give you “some” credit”. This is not a left/right thing………………..

            Former NY Attorney General Elliot Spitzer sums it up best to express our disgust at the lack of criminal prosecutions:

            I can say what we are all thinking: Really? Are you
            kidding me?
            Wall Street continues to get away scot-free? The Justice
            Department prosecutes Roger Clemens for perjury—spends countless
            resources, hours, and energy worrying about steroids in baseball—yet
            seems incapable of making cases against the big Wall Street firms that
            engineered the greatest lies, frauds, and scams in our economic history.
            I am as outraged, disappointed, and furious as you are. Have they no
            backbone, shame, or sense of what justice is all about? It does nothing
            for my already waning faith in this Justice Department.

            Ya got that right Elliot. The lack of justice for financial crime of
            the big banks is symptomatic of America’s real problem. Government has
            become so corrupted at this point it’s hard to imagine the United
            States ever recovering and returning to her former days of strength and
            glory.

            http://www.economicpopulist.org/content/they-got-away-it-0

          • http://www.facebook.com/jeff.seussalias Jeff Seussalias

            And if you think “mittens” is the answer… think again.

          • jim_m

            Government has become so corrupted

            That your solution is to punish the banks. Yep. Sounds good to me.

            You complain that you haven’t claimed to be a leftist. Most lefties claim to be moderates because they don’t want to cop to their socialist agenda. You’re no different. Everything you have said here screams lefty.

          • http://www.facebook.com/jeff.seussalias Jeff Seussalias

            No try and punish the guilty.. Everything you say is hypocritical.. Where is the outrage??

          • jim_m

            NO. I believe that much of the fault lies with the government. When we indict Frank and Dodd then we will be on the right track.

        • badger00

          It’s not a quote, more like a paraphrase

  • http://www.facebook.com/Igorchuck Charles Cascales

    How in the world was Romney able to put over $100 million in his IRA when only $6000 per year is allowed? His tax returns will show that he broke the law by using an illegal method to contribute to that fund thus avoiding taxes which should have been paid.

    • jim_m

      I haven’t looked at Romney’s taxes but there is no limit to how much you can put in a traditional IRA account (There is for a Roth IRA), only how much you can put in pre-tax. Romney earns enough that he would not be eligible for the deduction regardless.

      • http://www.facebook.com/jeff.seussalias Jeff Seussalias

        WRONG:
        Individual Retirement Accounts were designed as a tax-free way for
        middle-class Americans to plan for their retirement. The annual
        contribution limit is $6,000, but somehow Mitt Romney managed to to
        build his IRA into a $100+ million treasure chest
        …………………
        The real “kicker”.. Miit WILL BE TAXED big time when he withdraws it..UNLESS he changes the rules as “pres”… funny isn’t it..

        • jim_m

          One assumes that Mitt is not participating in an employer sponsored retirement plan.

          That means that he could put $49,000 into a SEP IRA ($50,000 this year). You can open multiple IRA’s in any given year. You can then roll them over into a single account. So Mitt could legally open multiple IRA accounts, put in the max for the year, then roll them over into a merged account. It’s all legal.

          Since there are no income limits on a SEP IRA Mitt can put the max into each account. SO he could open up 20 IRA accounts every year put $1million into those 20 accounts and then roll them over into a merged account. He could do that every year. All legally.

          You just hate that he managed his money well. You also apparently would prefer someone who is completely ignorant about how to manage money running a multi trillion dollar federal budget. That does not say much about your intelligence.

          • http://www.facebook.com/jeff.seussalias Jeff Seussalias

            No actually what he most likely did was “buy” Bain at say $6000 worth of Bain dhares at say $1/share..which went to $100/share or more. Technically the only IRS question would be what be based the orig. “worth” on..
            Best explained here. Yes you ar right, he could have contributed more but the ceiling was/is ………………………
            the firm used a so-called
            SEP-IRA, which is like a 401(k) retirement plan but is funded
            entirely by the employer and has a much higher maximum
            contribution: about $30,000 annually during the period Romney
            was at Bain. Assuming Romney maxed out these tax-deferred
            contributions, he would have invested roughly $450,000 in his
            SEP-IRA during his years at Bain.
            Skilled Investors
            While there are limits to the amount that can be
            contributed tax-deferred to an IRA, there are no restrictions on
            the amount of money that the contributed capital can earn and
            can continue to earn, on a tax-deferred basis, even after the
            contributions have stopped. (The Internal Revenue Service will
            get its pound of flesh from Romney when he takes the money out
            of the IRA.) The only limit is the skill, or luck, of the IRA’s
            owner. If you are the Warren Buffett of IRA investors, it is
            conceivable that you could turn $450,000 into as much as $102
            million — an increase of 227 times — but not very likely,
            especially as in the last decade or so, the stock market has
            been a roller coaster. Mere investing mortals would be lucky to
            still have $450,000 in the account. (The median American family
            has $42,500 in traditional IRAs, according to the Investment
            Company Institute.)

            Edward Kleinbard, a law
            professor at the University of Southern California, on her show
            to discuss how Romney could have accomplished this remarkable
            feat. There were “only two possibilities,” Kleinbard told
            Granholm. Either “from a little acorn, a mighty oak grew very,
            very quickly, extraordinarily so,” Kleinbard explained, causing
            Granholm to interject, “What little acorn could grow to be $101
            million? I want to get some of that acorn!”
            The other possibility, Kleinbard suggested, was not
            dissimilar to what Maremont theorized: that Romney contributed
            limited-partnership interests in Bain’s buyouts to his IRA. What
            was “quite troubling” to Kleinbard is that he suspected Romney
            may have contributed these interests to his IRA at a fraction of
            their market value — “pennies on the dollar” — and well below
            what he might have charged you or me. When the buyouts became
            successful, Kleinbard proposed, the pennies on the dollar were
            suddenly worth real dollars.
            “What’s very frustrating to me about all this is that we
            can only talk in abstractions and generalities because, again,
            of the lack of disclosure,” Kleinbard said.
            Without mentioning the heroics Romney has accomplished in
            his IRA, the New York Times editorialized on July 10 that the
            rest of Romney’s opaque “tax avoidance” schemes — including
            overseas shelters in the Cayman Islands, Switzerland and
            elsewhere — amount to nothing short of a “financial black hole”
            that he would be well advised to explain to the public. He
            should put explaining his magical IRA at the top of the list.

            http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/17/romney-adviser-campaign-specifics_n_1797570.html

          • herddog505

            In other words, you want to go on a fishing expedition. You KNOW Romney did something complicated with his money that you THINK is hinky and HOPE can be made to seem illegal. Unfortunately for you, Romney is declining to tee up that shot for you.

            But since you’re SO interested in what rich people do with their money, what about our chum Jon Corzine? A billion dollars vanishes into the ether and… no investigation.

            It pays to know the right people, I suppose. It also pays to have the right party affiliation.

    • Vagabond661

      He released 2010 and 2011. They can be found on his website for your inspection. Obviously the IRS has seen them and to date Mitt is not in handcuffs.
      What hasn’t been seen is Obama’s college transcipts. His transcripts” will show that he broke the law by using an illegal method” to go to college as a foreign exchange student.

  • retired.military

    I mean if Mitt has trouble with tax returns does that mean that Obama feels he is fully qualified to be a cabinet member?

  • Hugh_G

    I’m happy leaving the serial liar label to Ryan, Caught red-handed lying through his teeth about stimulus money. Then the cs pussy goes on to blame his staff. That’s all you need to know about this guy.

    • Sky__Captain

      Anyone on the Republican ticket has quite a ways to go in any lying to catch up with 0bama, little troll.

      • Hugh_G

        It was a try – but an incredibly weak one. Cpn Crunch

        • Sky__Captain

          My point is quite valid that 0bama has many, many lies – up to an including his qualifications for the office.
          Your attempt to make fun of my username is weak.

          But then, when your Presidential candidate happens to be a worse President than Jimmy Carter and the weakest candidate in the election, what else have you got to do?
          (Answer: not much.)

          • Hugh_G

            Your point Cap’n is to distract from the truth of my comment about Ryan. I’d love to hear you defend or condemn his lies, his cs denial and even more cowardly act of throwing his staff under the bus. I eagerly await your comment on that but won’t hold my breath Cap’n.

          • Sky__Captain

            You’re just attempting a new distraction from your Zero’s dismal record.
            The cartoon I linked to states it perfectly.

          • Hugh_G

            Just as I suspected Capn . You’re a cs too. Pathetic. And you can have the last word cs. From now on I’ll refer to you as Capn Chicken Shit.

          • SCSIwuzzy

            Links to your truth?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mary-E-Sellers/1108260627 Mary E Sellers

    Focus should be on Obama–He’s the one lie’n and hiding records

  • Sky__Captain

    So when are the leftist trolls going to insist 0bama run on his past?

    • jim_m

      Are you referring to his virgin birth or when he turned the water into wine? (raising the dead is routine for democrats every 4 years)

  • Sky__Captain

    Here’s a political cartoon that highlights the idiot caterwauling of the leftist trolls:
    http://news.investors.com/editorialcartoons/cartoon.aspx?id=622747

    • http://opinion.ak4mc.us/ Scribe of Slog (McGehee)

      All that other stuff is a distraction from the real issue of whether Mitt Romney may have made a mistake on his tax returns that he hasn’t caught and amended yet.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ray-Rodda/1413624397 Ray Rodda

    While they were looking for the scandal, did they discover that Mitt took $1.00 for a salary while Governor? All this phony scandal garbage, is this who you want to run the country, someone who cannot explain how he screwed up this country for the last 3.5 years. Oh that’s right, he did not build it, you can bank on that one.