Here’s The Latest Mitt Romney “Scandal” You’re Supposed To Care About

That scandal is Mitt Romney talking candidly with supporters at a private fundraising diner caught on video.

Long-time partisan hack David Corn is trying to get traction for a series of unremarkable secret Mitt Romney videos by distorting the actual words spoken on the video – leaving some out of his story at Mother Jones – to make a story appear more sinister than the videos on their own are. Here’s Corn’s partisan spin:

During a private fundraiser earlier this year, Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney told a small group of wealthy contributors what he truly thinks of all the voters who support President Barack Obama. He dismissed these Americans as freeloaders who pay no taxes, who don’t assume responsibility for their lives, and who think government should take care of them. Fielding a question from a donor about how he could triumph in November, Romney replied:

There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it. That that’s an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what…These are people who pay no income tax.
Romney went on: “[M]y job is is not to worry about those people. I’ll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives.”

Instead of relying on the veracity of that transcription you can just watch the video. It’s kind of important…

Notice anything?

The “[M]y job is is not to worry about those people. I’ll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives.” quotes are made in the context of the voters he has to reach. He’s telling supporters why certain themes work and others don’t, especially as it relates to Obama’s core supporters. To understand the context you need to see the next video, one that Corn fully transcribes instead of selectively editing.

We speak with voters across the country about their perceptions. Those people I told you—the 5 to 6 or 7 percent that we have to bring onto our side—they all voted for Barack Obama four years ago. So, and by the way, when you say to them, “Do you think Barack Obama is a failure?” they overwhelmingly say no. They like him. But when you say, “Are you disappointed that his policies haven’t worked?” they say yes. And because they voted for him, they don’t want to be told that they were wrong, that he’s a bad guy, that he did bad things, that he’s corrupt. Those people that we have to get, they want to believe they did the right thing, but he just wasn’t up to the task. They love the phrase that he’s “over his head.” But if we’re—but we, but you see, you and I, we spend our day with Republicans. We spend our days with people who agree with us. And these people are people who voted for him and don’t agree with us. And so the things that animate us are not the things that animate them. And the best success I have at speaking with those people is saying, you know, the president has been a disappointment. He told you he’d keep unemployment below 8 percent. Hasn’t been below eight percent since. Fifty percent of kids coming out of school can’t get a job. Fifty percent. Fifty percent of the kids in high school in our 50 largest cities won’t graduate from high school. What’re they gonna do? These are the kinds of things that I can say to that audience that they nod their head and say, “Yeah, I think you’re right.” What he’s going to do, by the way, is try and vilify me as someone who’s been successful, or who’s, you know, closed businesses or laid people off, and is an evil bad guy. And that may work.

There’s nothing else in all of the “secret” videos posted even remotely damning, unlike Barack Obama’s 2008 “bitter people clinging to guns and religion” and 2012′s “you didn’t build that” malaprops.

In fact I heartily recommend watching them all – minus the Mother Jones spin. You might actually come away more impressed with Romney.

Update: Via Hot Air comes a link to the Romney campaign statement:

Mitt Romney wants to help all Americans struggling in the Obama economy. As the governor has made clear all year, he is concerned about the growing number of people who are dependent on the federal government, including the record number of people who are on food stamps, nearly one in six Americans in poverty, and the 23 million Americans who are struggling to find work. Mitt Romney’s plan creates 12 million new jobs in four years, grows the economy and moves Americans off of government dependency and into jobs.

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  • GarandFan

    Someone once observed that when 51% of the public realize that they can elect pols who will PAY them to stay home and not work, the country will be screwed.

    We’re only 4% away.

    • http://www.outsidethebeltway.com rodney dill

      When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic. – Benjamin Franklin

  • Commander_Chico_Cognoscente

    This looks like the mirror image of the “cling to guns or religion” Obama remarks.

    Like Romney now, the Obamaians complained that the remarks were taken out of context:

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/04/11/493923/-Obama-s-cling-to-guns-or-religion-comment-is-being-misread

    I always like when these guys say what they really think, when they think they’re safe.

    Watching Romney stammer and apologize that his remarks were “not elegant” on the news now; the guy can’t say anything and stick to it.

    • AndrewX

      Is this the “mirror image” of the the “clingers” remark? There is one way to absolutely know if your analyis is correct. And that is, that many a conservative, in a wry and sardonic way, fully embraced the term “bitter clinger” to describe themselves. How many talk show callers have introduced themselves as exactly that? I have read the Romney transcript and the Mother Jones article. So, CC, how is the left going to sardonically embrace these remarks as a badge of honor? “Freeloaders, for Obama”, “the Entitled Ones”, “VIctims for Change”…. what? The embrace is about acknowledging an element of truth – Yes, the “clingers” DO hang on fast to their faith, with great pride. What element of truth in Romney’s remarks (and there is much truth in them) is the left wiling to embrace and throw back at him? If they do so, your analogy is correct. On the other hand….. well, I guess we all shall see soon enough, won’t we? I know where to place my own bets, that’s for sure.

      • herddog505

        FREELOADERS FOR OBAMA!

        I think you’re on to something!

        • SCSIwuzzy

          Wasn’t that The original name for Occupy?

        • SCSIwuzzy

          Wasn’t that The original name for Occupy?

        • http://www.rustedsky.net JLawson

          I’d actually put that on my car as a bumper snicker…

      • Commander_Chico_Cognoscente

        Yes, you might see that on bumperstickers on Priuses and Range Rovers in some suburbs and college towns soon. White liberal love of irony.

        Romney would have done better to say, I said it and I stand by it, instead of his usual equivocating and mealy-mouthed backsteps.

    • Sky__Captain

      “Watching Romney stammer and apologize that his remarks were “not
      elegant” on the news now; the guy can’t say anything and stick to it.”

      BWAHAHAHAHAHA!

      Have you really followed 0bama’s remarks whenever he’s off the teleprompter?
      Geez, that’s quite a double standard you have there, Chico.

      You have turned into quite the 0bama-worshipper of late.

      • jim_m

        obama is Chico’s lord and savior. As it gets closer to the election Chico is becoming a born again obamaniac.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Paul-Hooson/100002939023994 Paul Hooson

    The absolutely amazing thing about Romney that seems to confound the political pundits is that both he and Ryan can on a daily basis make absolutely absurd statements on so many issues, so many mistakes, so many strategic errors, and yet he remains nearly tied with Obama in the polls. That says something of the dissatisfaction with the incumbent when so many voters are willing to take a chance on a challenger with absolutely no grasp of foreign policy, few actual specifics on how he’s going to actually deliver the 12 million jobs he’s promising voters, or that 70% of his major campaign statements have ranged from half truths to outright “pants on fire” lies according to one independent newspaper analysis. Dissatisfaction with Obama is so great that nearly half or more of the electorate is willing to risk their future, economic well being, national security, world peace and other important variables on such a high risk opponent candidate like Romney. That certainly says something about voter dissatisfaction with Obama. If he had a more satisfactory record on the economy, normally Romney would be no challenge at all in a more normal election year. But, this appears to be a year where a bad challenger, no matter how poor, with few positives could actually win because many voters are that dissatisfied.

    • Sky__Captain

      There are recent articles that indicate most polls use a turnout similar to 2009, which is an aberration that the Dem turnout was much higher than normal.
      Proper balancing of a poll would probably indicate 0bama trails badly.

      The answer to your post is that Barack Hussein 0bama is the weakest candidate in the 2012 Presidential election.
      The lapdog media can only cover for his incompetence so much, then the public gets the idea.

      • Hugh_G

        Dream on Capn.

    • EricSteel

      That says something of the dissatisfaction with the incumbent when so many voters are willing to take a chance on a challenger with absolutely no grasp of foreign policy, few actual specifics on how he’s going to actually deliver the 12 million jobs he’s promising voters, or that 70% of his major campaign statements have ranged from half truths to outright “pants on fire” lies …

      Frankly, you can say exactly the same thing about Obama in 2008, a man with zero executive experience, zero foreign policy experience, zero business experience, and only 2-3 years of federal legislative experience. The only thing Obama had going for him was that he could give a nice speech.

    • Vagabond661

      “that both he and Ryan can on a daily basis make absolutely absurd statements on so many issues, so many mistakes, so many strategic errors,”
      You meant Biden right?

  • jiaprost

    “There’s nothing else in all of the “secret” videos posted even remotely damning…”

    Unless you want to count Mr. Romney’s extended anecdote concerning his Chinese factory tour, when he was there in connection with a Bain investment. He blithely describes the workers’ long hours and their dormitory conditions–20,000 girls, packed 12 to each tiny room, with a single toilet at the end. He then goes on to explain how the huge barbed wire fences and guard towers surrounding the factory were necessary to keep people from breaking in to find work.

    What planet is this guy from?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuQYFy2Na8s&feature=related

    • Sky__Captain

      And what planet is his opponent from, one where the US has 57 states?
      I mean, if you want damning misstatements, I think the other guy has a LOT to answer for first.

      • ackwired

        A person concerned about the future of the country couldn’t vote for either of them.

        • http://www.rustedsky.net JLawson

          But yet we’re faced with the choice.

          Not voting, or going for a 3rd party with no chance is essentially supporting the status quo.

          So I’ll go the Mae West route, and choose the evil I haven’t tried yet,

          • ackwired

            The duopoly keepsdoing this to us. Both parties put up candidates that are going to do virtually the same thing, and then demonize the opponent to retain or gain power. They keep trading places and nothing changes. A vote for either member of the duopoly is a vote for the status quo.

    • Commander_Chico_Cognoscente

      Sounds like Romney’s dream – people so desperate they’ll go for prison labor, while the masters make $$$.

  • herddog505

    MiniTru and the dems (BIRM) are increasingly desperate. I think that the polls are being systematically cooked to show Barry doing FAR better than he really is, both to keep the idiots and deadbeats who are the dem base fired up and to try to depress GOP enthusiasm and Romney’s fundraising. Part ‘n’ parcel with this is to attempt to spin ANYTHING that Romney or Ryan say into something sinister, stupid, or both.

    We’ve seen this already with Romney’s remarks on the Libya fiasco. Now, it’s the unexceptional statement that a large number of Americans are deadbeats who vote their pocketbook, and that pocketbook is increasingly filled by Uncle Sugar. Given time, he’ll be criticized for using the letter “e” too much.

    • http://www.rustedsky.net JLawson

      Supposedly there’s another segment coming out where Romney says the Palestinians aren’t really interested in peace.

      I expect the same sort of outrage over that.

      In a third to be released Friday, he’ll say that water is wet, and rain falls from the sky. I can’t WAIT to see how that one’s spun.

    • Commander_Chico_Cognoscente

      Yeah, all the polls are being cooked. A conspiracy of thousands of people.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ryan-Murphy/100001624276605 Ryan Murphy

        It isn’t the person who it polled,mbut the person who asks the questions, tabulates the answers and weights them, Chico. And you well know it, even after giving that rather disingenuous answer.

      • jim_m

        It’s not a conspiracy. It’s a world view. The left has a world view that tells them that any amount of cheating or fraud is acceptable in order to achieve their ends, which is the maintaining of power. People can come to the same actions independently and frequently do when they are motivated by the same amoral world view.

      • Olsoljer

        I find it fascinating that when ever the polls get close, or shows Romney gaining, the percentage of democrats polled in the next poll increases.

      • herddog505

        Actually, a conspiracy of a few (just like TEH OLIGARCHY): a few people who run the polls ask themselves, “How much do we have to oversample democrats to get the desired result, i.e. that Barry is ahead, that Romney hasn’t got a chance, that it’s all over, etc?”

        • Commander_Chico_Cognoscente

          Look at the state polls. Do they really look that out of line?

          After all, both campaigns are spending money in line with them, and they do their own polling.

          • herddog505

            So, you suggest that I look at other concocted polls to support the results of polls that I think are concocted? Seriously?

            Here’s a handy chart that shows how it works. Basically, as I wrote before, one simply oversamples democrats to get the desired result that “Barry wins!”

            http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2012/09/must-see-proof-corrupt-media-corrupt.html

            And look at the range in the oversampling. While I admit that it’s not easy to determine the partisan breakdown of the country with tremendous precision, one would think that MiniTru would at least be SOMEWHAT consistent. A few data points:

            Rasmussen – d-2
            Tipp – d+5
            Dem Corps – d+11

            A whopping 13 point spread in affiliation amongst several well-known and widely-cited polls.

            Wow.

            At best, I conclude from this that pollsters are a pack of hustling incompetents who are making sh*t up. At worst, I conclude that they are LYING hustling incompetents who are making sh*t up to try to keep that stuttering clusterf*ck of a massive failure in the White House.

          • Commander_Chico_Cognoscente

            So Fox News is skewing its polls in favor of Obama. Riiiight.

            1. Just because someone says there’s an oversample does not mean it’s true.

            2. The results of the most recent Rasmussen polls which your chart says are under-sampling Democrats have also produced results which show Obama ahead in Ohio, Florida and Virginia:

            http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/president/

            Here are final polls vs. results in 2008:

            http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html#polls

          • herddog505

            1. No, and just because people say that Barry’s leading doesn’t make that true, either;

            2. OK. So what? Rasmussen shows Romney with a SLIGHT lead nationally. Again, let’s look at the spread (per RCP):

            OHIO
            Rasmussen (low) – Barry +1
            NBC/WSJ/Marist (hi) – Barry +7
            Spread – 6

            VIRGINIA
            Gravis (low) – Romney +5
            WaPo (hi) – Barry +9
            Spread – 14

            WISCONSIN
            Rasmussen (low) – Romney +1
            CBS/NYT/Quinnipac – Barry +6
            spread – 7

            I note that Rasmussen shows Barry +1 in VA; hardly walking away with it.

            My point still stands: the pollsters are morons, or they are cooking the books, or both. IF Rasmussen is accurate (they seem to have best called the turn in ’08*), then Barry is barely ahead in these key states, and Romney leads nationally by two points. It’s a very close race, though Barry is clearly doing well in the EC.

            And as for your gratuitous remark about Fox News, I offer my gratituous rebuttal:

            Isn’t Fox part of TEH OLIGARCHY? And if so, does this mean that TEH OLIGARCHY actually wants BARRY to win? This is actually plausible using your own logic:

            Barry is a crony capitalist, passing out flippin’ great wads of cash to companies and organizations who toe the line or else overlooking little legal difficulties that they might get into. Therefore, the fatcats – TEH OLIGARCHY – know that he’s a man who will repay their investment; GM, GE, Jon Corzine, PhRMA provide evidence of a track record of rewarding cronies (BTW: how ARE the oil companies doing these days? Pretty well with the price of gas heading back toward $4 / gal?). If their investment includes telling the editors of the newspapers and networks THAT THEY CONTROL to do a little creative work in polling to keep Romney out, that’s a cheap price to pay.

            And if it’s warmongering and war profiteering that you want, then Barry’s also got a proven track record: we’re still in A-stan, he initiated (for no good reason) “kinetic military action” against Libya, he’s threatened to jump into Syria, and you tell us almost daily that Israel is going to get us mixed up in Iran even with Barry in the White House. Again, Barry looks to be a good bet for those who want to make money waging war.

            So, why wouldn’t TEH OLIGARCHY back him?

            ===

            (*) http://www.wethepeoplenews.com/2009/08/11/poll-accuracy-in-the-2008-presidential-election-rasmussen-most-reliable/

          • Carl

            Rasmussen is an outlier. When NONE of the other polls agree with Rasmussen, not even Fox News, you KNOW something is fishy.

            Rasmussen is cooking the numbers. And why not? Tell us conservatives that the news is all good is how they gain customers. It works for Fox News.

          • herddog505

            So, we agree that the pollsters (at least, some of them) are cooking the books?

            It’s a start…

            By the way, I thought that the line on Fox was that it spewed rightwing hate and RAAAAACISM and THAT’S how they got viewers, not telling their audience that all is well.

            And IF Fox is engaging in peddling pablum, why does THEIR poll show Barry with a modest lead? Shouldn’t THEY be reporting Rasmussen numbers if they are just catering to their audience?

          • Commander_Chico_Cognoscente

            The chart you linked to shows that Fox News’s polls had the same alleged oversampling as other pollsters.

            National polls don’t matter; only state polls do, and really only FL, OH, MI, IA, WI, VA now.

            I’ve said before, the oligarchy may be backing Obama, for many of the reasons you cite, plus the fact that Romney may be too blatant a face for them and a bad communicator to boot.

            Obama and Romney will pursue the same oligarchy-friendly policies in the economy; Obama will put sugar on them, Romney will incite riots. Riots are bad for business. Romney is also erratic and unpredictable and more likely to stumble into a war with Russia or the United Kingdom.

          • herddog505

            Oh, yes, of course: forget what Barry has DONE vs. what (you think) Romney WILL do.

            — Barry, without bothering to even inform Congress, shot up a foreign country that hadn’t given us anything like a casus bellum other than shooting its own people. O’ course, Barry ignores this in Iran and Syria;

            — Barry will sic the IRS and other government agencies on Gibson Guitar, but ignores Jon Corzine;

            — Barry promises transparency, but signs into law huge bills that Congress ADMITS they haven’t read;

            — When Congress won’t pass a bill, Barry just does an EO (remember when Bush did those and it was the worst thing ever?) or simply gets an appointee to make a new regulation. Congress? We don’t need no stinkin’ Congress!

            — Etc.

            And I LOVE the excuse that Barry makes a smoother front for TEH OLIGARCHY so they’re backing him; he’s as roundly despised by one half of the country as Bush was by the other. As for the riots, check the news: Mr. Nobel Peace Prize has them breaking out all over the world. And he’s blaming a friggin’ YouTube video… Jebus…

            As for the polls, yes: some states matter more than others. This does not alter the facts that there are HUGE spreads in the polls, that Rasmussen (alleged to have been most accurate in ’08) shows a dead heat, and that many polls show what seem to be huge democrat oversamples. Therefore, I think that I and others may be excused for smelling something fishy.

  • Hugh_G

    So Romney effectively says to roughly half the country go f*** yourselves. You know, the people who have a higher tax rate than he does. And the denizens of the wingnut site try to spin it into something else. What’s funny is that most of you can’t stand him yourselves.

    • http://www.rustedsky.net JLawson

      Man, that projection shit – you’re all over that, aren’t you?

      • Hugh_G

        What exactly is my “projection shit”? The part where I accurately quoted Romney. Or the part about the denizen wing nuts trying to spin it into something else, i.e those nefarious polls are all wrong. Or the part where I said most of you can’t stand Romney?

        The “projection shit” meme is a favorite comment when someone accurately depicts you folks. I actually expect better than that from you.

        • LiberalNightmare

          That’s funny, us people don’t expect much from you at all.

          • Hugh_G

            Ah yes, nor do I from you when, as now, I’m right on the money. By the way there are no “liberal nightmares” just silly names such as yours.

          • LiberalNightmare

            Oh c’Mon, i say a country where 47% of the citizens pay no income tax is a liberal nitemare.

            How about passinga bill before you can find out what’s in it? Liberal nitemare.

            How about a teachers union where the average teacher makes nearly twice the salary of the people that pay the taxes, yet still demands a wage hike?

            There are many liberal nitemares out there. You just have to look.

          • Hugh_G

            Ok so I lied. A nightmare is Republicans running anything.

          • LiberalNightmare

            Your still lying, all of the examples I listed have happened while the democrats run things.

        • http://www.rustedsky.net JLawson

          Hugh – you seem to have this weird idea that we can’t disagree with your point of view without being full of hate, or that we ‘can’t stand Romney’ because of… well, I don’t know why you get that idea.

          I may disagree with some of his ideas – but I don’t HATE him for that, or can’t stand him. I don’t HATE Obama – I think he’s really in over his head, and his sycophants haven’t helped him one bit. I disagree with a lot of what he’s trying to do, because I can see it’s manifestly not working. So I’m ready for a change.

          That fact that you’re seeing hate and ‘go fuck yourself’ from Romney’s speech indicates your preconceptions are that that’s what he’s saying. You’re not reading the whole thing, you’re not understanding the context of the speech. You don’t CARE about the context or the whole speech, you KNOW Romney hates the 47%, and you’re not about to entertain the idea that you might be wrong. Romney’s out to steal everyone’s money – that’s apparently all you’re believing.

          If that isn’t projection, just what is it?

          You’ll vote for Obama because he ‘cares’. How do you know that? Because he’s telling you he does. Because he’s run up the debt astronomically to prove it to you. Because he ‘feels’ your pain. You believe that.

          And once he’s out of office, not a damn thing he’s done is going to affect HIM.

          The rest of us, however, aren’t going to be so lucky.

    • http://www.outsidethebeltway.com rodney dill

      You know, the people who have a higher tax rate than he does.

      No, People who do not pay taxes don’t have a higher tax rate (effective rate or highest rate), and all he really said about them is that its not worth his time pursuing their vote.

      • Commander_Chico_Cognoscente

        He means people earning more than $17,400 in wage or earned income that pay a higher rate than the 14% Romney pays on his investment income.

        • http://www.outsidethebeltway.com rodney dill

          …but likely not a higher effective rate. I make a lot more than 17.4K (mostly earned income). My effective rate of taxes is usually less than 14%

          • Commander_Chico_Cognoscente

            I know my effective rate is way higher than 14%, I’m in the 33% bracket and take only a modest mortgage interest deduction (since rates are so low) in addition to the standard deductions.

          • http://www.outsidethebeltway.com rodney dill

            Then you are probably pretty well off, likely well into the top quintile of the country. When my youngest is out of college and I lose my last deduction, my effective rate will be above 14% as well, but I doubt it will be above 20%. I paid off my house in 2003, so I’m stuck with the standard deduction as well, though I file a joint return so that works in my favor. (taxwise)

          • Commander_Chico_Cognoscente

            There is a problem when carried interest is taxed less than wage labor.

          • http://www.wizbangblog.com David Robertson

            Pardon me for asking, but why is that a problem? Interest is made on money that has already been taxed.

          • Commander_Chico_Cognoscente

            I get your point, but what has higher moral value than using your time as a basis? That is a “tax,” too, on a non-renewable asset.

            Plus you can earn interest on other forms of unearned income, like rent.

          • http://www.outsidethebeltway.com rodney dill

            That may or may not be a problem. I certainly don’t have an issue with carried interest or unearned income being taxed more than it is today. That also is a government problem, not a Romney problem. I do get tired of people comparing Romney’s effective tax rate against the approx. 35% max rate. and claiming that they’re taxed more than Romney. I thinks its a fairly small segment of the population that pays an effective rate more than Romney, and an even smaller group that pays more actual income taxes than Romney. Still someone making $50-$100K per year with an effective rate e.g. 7-9%? may look at Romney’s income of around $20 Mil. and think the effective rate should be more than 14%. Warren Buffet stated he probably could stand to pay more on his unearned income, and I think so too. The question is what is the right number.

      • Hugh_G

        So 47% of the country doesn’t pay taxes? I guess I won’t bother than when reporting my Social Security pension as well as my earned income. Yeah, I’m one of those deadbeats. Oh, I paid 13,000+ in federal income taxes last year.

        • http://www.outsidethebeltway.com rodney dill

          So if you paid taxes, you’re not one of the deadbeats that don’t pay taxes are you? doh.

          • Hugh_G

            So, 47% of the country pay no taxes? doh

            And those who are “dependent” on the government such as vets, students who get student loans, medicare recipients, social security recipients, etc. are just useless deadbeats? I don’t think so.

            The problem with Romney is that he has absolutely no understanding of the human condition beyond that of millionaires such as himself. I was shocked to hear that because I don’t make 200-250 grand that I am no longer in the middle class. That’s how freaking out of touch he is.

            At least Bush who also came from a privileged
            background could connect with regular folks. Remember “compassionate conservatism”?

          • http://www.outsidethebeltway.com rodney dill

            which isn’t what Romney said, doh.

          • http://www.rustedsky.net JLawson

            It’s getting clear that it doesn’t matter what Romney said – what matters is what people say he said.

          • http://www.wizbangblog.com David Robertson

            The problem with Romney is that he has absolutely no understanding of the human condition beyond that of millionaires such as himself.

            Oh, what balderdash! Clearly, you have no knowledge of what Governor Romney has done for others in his private life.

          • Hugh_G

            Well if that’s not true than it’s even worse. he’s a calculating man without a principle in his body. And that’s scary. I happen to still believe the first. Giving money away doesn’t qualify you to understand the human condition.

        • jim_m

          Income tax dolt. Yes, if people are employed they still pay into Social Security etc, but they do not contribute a penny to the general fund that the government is run from.

          • http://www.outsidethebeltway.com rodney dill

            …and they pay state or local taxes (income and/or sales), but Romney was only talking Income tax, as you said.

          • Hugh_G

            Oh, like property taxes and sales taxes and payroll taxes? Gee, I didn’t know those bums didn’t even pay those taxes.

          • http://www.outsidethebeltway.com rodney dill

            …and the terms ‘bums’ and ‘deadbeats’ are derogatory names you are inserting into the dialog, not what Romney actually said.

          • Hugh_G

            I stand corrected. He actually said about half the country viewed themselves as victims. You know, those disabled vets, for one, who are dependent on the government. So you hate the disabled vets, eh? Nothing but a bunch of parasite to you?

          • http://www.outsidethebeltway.com rodney dill

            Neither he nor I said anything about hating disabled vets. Many rightly probably view themselves as victims and think the government should take care of them, and pay no income taxes (though some are possibly gainfully employed). Possibly they will still vote for Obama. In their case I think the gov’t does owe them, possibly Mitt thinks so to. Mitt didn’t distinguish between those that really do deserve an entitlement and those that view the gov’t as a free lunch. I wish he had. Seniors is another area, where people that payed in over the course of their lives are entitled to get their SS payment back. That in itself is not freeloading. I do believe that many seniors will be frightened into not voting for Romney.

          • Commander_Chico_Cognoscente

            Mitt didn’t distinguish between those that really do deserve an entitlement and those that view the gov’t as a free lunch.

            That is the problem. He lumped a lot of good people in his 47%

            Mitt also included the working poor who don’t earn enough to pay federal income taxes among his “entitled.” There are probably junior enlisted military with families home while they are in Afghanistan among the “entitled” who pay no federal income tax.

            He just sounds like an asshole.

          • http://www.outsidethebeltway.com rodney dill

            It is a political problem (maybe a big one)… but not a problem in the way the left is pushing it. He doesn’t seem to make a value judgement (as he doesn’t state it) that this means these people are ‘bad’ just that they will likely vote for Obama as they are very dependent on the gov’t and what the left is selling, and aren’t going to get much of his time and energy to try and convince them otherwise.

            and he really only sounds like an asshole to the people that already believe he’s an asshole.

          • Commander_Chico_Cognoscente

            That includes William Kristol:

            http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/note-romney-s-arrogant-and-stupid-remarks_652548.html

            A Note on Romney’s Arrogant and Stupid Remarks

            It’s worth recalling that a good chunk of the 47 percent who don’t pay income taxes are Romney supporters—especially of course seniors (who might well “believe they are entitled to heath care,” a position Romney agrees with), as well as many lower-income Americans (including men and women serving in the military) who think conservative policies are better for the country even if they’re not getting a tax cut under the Romney plan. So Romney seems to have contempt not just for the Democrats who oppose him, but for tens of millions who intend to vote for him.
            It remains important for the country that Romney wins in November (unless he chooses to step down and we get the Ryan-Rubio ticket we deserve!). But that shouldn’t blind us to the fact that Romney’s comments, like those of Obama four years ago, are stupid and arrogant.

          • Hugh_G

            Weel then exactly who are that 47% of the country that view themselves as victims?

            Look, you and I both know he was speaking to donors. But what he said still reflects a view. Aside form the fact that this guy doesn’t know what he stands for – today and probably tomorrow too – he just has a completely inability to understand those who are different than him. I don’t think he’s a bad man or has a bad motive I just think he’s so ambitious that he’ll say or do whatever it takes and in the course of that has a complete disconnect from most people.

          • http://www.outsidethebeltway.com rodney dill

            Other than the left trying to insinuate that 90% of the county is in that 47% and should be insulted, I’m not sure it matters. As you said he was speaking to donors, and giving “marching orders” so to speak on which part of the population to focus on to win the election. I doubt it reflects his views on how that group should be treated, but it does reflect his belief that he feels he has little sway over those that are “hyper’ dependent on the government. Some of the 47%, based on discussion I’ve seen on this topic at OTB, are likely solid Romney, voters, but those that aren’t can likely not be swayed to his side. He wants his campaign to focus on the undecided voters and obama voters that are substantial taxpayers and may be dissatisfied with Obama and may be swayed. As a spy released this to the public, the left has tried to portray it as more than that, and will likely convince some that it is more than that. There really isn’t much more to it than that, which is why the 47% seems poorly defined, it just represents an area of voters of diminishing returns for his campaign resources.

          • jim_m

            Those are not federal taxes. You are very adept at moving the goal posts. You know exactly what everyone else is taking about and yet you do your level best to make sorry ass excuses about other taxes that are not germane.

            47% pay no income tax. Property tax is local. Sales tax is local or state.

            And this is the point:

            , the reason it’s bad when nearly half the electorate doesn’t pay income tax isn’t that they’re somehow parasites. It’s that people who don’t have skin in the game don’t care about the game. In a better world, everyone would pay at least some income tax — enough to feel it, say 5% of gross income — and it would go up and down every year in proportion to government spending. If that happened, there would be political pressure to control government spending, and we wouldn’t have the $16 Trillion debt. Don’t, however, expect our corps of bylined Democratic operatives to stress that point, even if by some chance they manage to grasp it.

            Even Biden accidentally stumbled into this truth. The problem with idiots like you, Hugh, is that you believe that the only people who should have any skin in the game is the rich. While not everyone is a parasite, some (like your) clearly are or at least dream of being so.

          • Hugh_G

            I grasp it and agree with you in principle. Oh my.

          • jim_m

            I take that to mean you agree with the last sentence? ;)

  • Stephen Fox

    Romney is wrong on one thing, the idea that people who are for Obama are those that do not pay federal tax. Eight of the ten states with the highest rates of non federal tax payers are Romney states. It was Reagan and Bush that got most of the legislation passed that took many off of the tax rolls entirely so I think that they deserve the credit for these tax avoiders that Romney now has such a low opinion of.. Romney does not even know who the republican voter is. How do you think Florida seniors will react to the idea that because they don’t pay federal tax that they are not personally responsible, are victims, and are living off the government? But i am sure his millionaire friends wrote lots of big checks for his campaign because Romney knows that they are the real victims here.

  • ackwired

    Occasionally a politician says something that reinforces the caricature that the opposition is painting of him. It is never good.

  • LiberalNightmare

    This is a pretty good sign that the DNC wasnt getting the traction they hoped for with the “Mitt Romney broke the middle east meme from last week.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IZ5BM5GNLA54OADSWGSXAMA7SY Jay

      Who’s voting for Romney other than the fringe of the Republican party?

      • LiberalNightmare

        ABO 2012

      • Vagabond661

        RINOS, Independents, republicans, tea party, libertarians, and moderates will be voting for Romney in this election. And maybe a few democrats who take a religious stand on birth control.

        • jim_m

          I saw an article recently speculating on whether or not obama really needed the independent vote to be reelected. That should be sufficient clue that he is losing a lot of independent voters. I cannot think of anyone right of center that would be voting for obama.

  • Jake

    I think it’s cute that you’re using an out of context remark as a counter to an out of context remark without even a hit of irony.

    I agree that without the context it’s hard to know what Romney was really saying. Kinda like how blissfully ignoring the context of the “you didn’t build that” comment paints an entirely different and incorrect picture of what is being said.

  • Letslipthedogs

    Its time to end this socialist experiment America and go back to the roots of your success. – free enterprise and hard work. It’s time to pull yourselves up by the bootstraps. President Obama has had his chance. It’s time to give someone else the mantle to lead America to recovery and strengthen its culture. Like it or not Gov. Romney is the alternative at the moment and it seems he appeals to most people who will place their bets back on America and will help get this country back on its feet again. America needs its dignity back and you won’t achieve this by giving handouts. This is not a Romney challenge but a challenge to all Americans democrat or republican or independent to take a stand and vote your conscience and what makes sense. Vote the values you hold dear – I believe these are family values, respect, opportunities to be all that you can be. Romney is not running on his platform anymore but on the platform of people who care about what happens to America. And if these people are making huge bets on him now even knowing he may well lose, expect them to really bet on America if he wins. Yes reluctantly I am for Romney.

  • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

    Mitt’s right.

    47% have no skin in the game.

    No representation without taxation.

    • http://profiles.google.com/ozcar.da.grouch Ozcar Grouch

      No vote either.

      • Commander_Chico_Cognoscente

        Right, no old people or retired/disabled military should be able to vote.

        • Carl

          There are hundreds of thousands of active military personnel who pay no federal income tax.

          Sure, those “victims” can die for this country, just don’t think for a second that President Mitt Romney cares about them.

          You see, they don’t have any “skin in the game”…

          • http://www.rustedsky.net JLawson

            Wrong. I’ve paid income tax on military pay since ’74. All neatly laid out on my leave and earnings statement.

          • Carl

            Of course. That’s because you don’t have skin in the game.

            Combat pay is tax exempt.

            Skin in the game. Americans on the battlefield. Part of Mitt’s Stinking Forty Seven Percenters.

            Then there’s the retired. Many of them don’t pay federal taxes.

            And the majority of the 47%, something like 2/3rds of them, pay payroll tax because they are small businesses (like under $2K income- you know, E-Bay sellers and crafts people in rural areas, that guy down the street who buys old cars and fixes them up)..

            In other words, people Mitt hates. Those 47%ers.

          • http://www.rustedsky.net JLawson

            http://militarypay.defense.gov/pay/tax/01_allowances.html

            Base pay is taxed. Always has been. Allowances in most cases aren’t. Flight pay, BAS, BAQ, combat pay – aren’t.

            You’re really not helping your side here.

          • Vagabond661

            Sub pay too.

          • http://www.rustedsky.net JLawson

            He gets his talking points, and has to spin ‘em. I wonder if he gets docked if he doesn’t put them out properly?

          • Commander_Chico_Cognoscente

            Many many junior enlisted members of the force with a family fall below the threshold of income sufficient to pay income tax. Many are eligible for an EITC payment.

            They are among the 47%

          • http://www.rustedsky.net JLawson

            As an E-1, I had income tax deducted. No spouse, no BAQ or BAS. Wasn’t ever married while I was in, so no convenient deductions.

            As an old MSgt said – if the AF had wanted you to have a wife, they’d have issued you one. (You could argue that’s what the Airman’s and NCO and Officer’s clubs were for, I imagine…)

          • Commander_Chico_Cognoscente

            I know you probably paid a little tax as a single with no dependents.

            But look at this pay chart and calculator and plug in the base pay numbers for example a married E-5 over three with two children (a not at all uncommon occurrence)

            http://www.navycs.com/2013-military-pay-chart.html

            http://interactive.taxfoundation.org/taxgraph/

          • Vagabond661

            Makes you wonder how much skin he has in the game.

          • Carl

            My side is the side with skin in the game. Your side is lying.

            Combat pay isn’t taxed, and thousands of military families make so little they’re not paying federal taxes either.

            That’s the difference. Republicans to only don’t support the troops, they lie about the troops as they dismiss them as moochers.

            But go ahead, lie some more. You’re helping your side… it’s all your side has left. Lies.

          • http://www.rustedsky.net JLawson

            And you’ll never figure it out…

          • nsjsi

            u been up obamas butt too long or something, or are u one of those who have nothing wrong with them reason they cant work, just choose not work and sit on your arse all day and collect a gov. check cuz you can, to let my tax dollars support you? this the reason your soo against Mitt? whats wrong with making the people go work who can just refuse to because as long they can sit on their asses and get paid for it that’s all that matters?! not even gunna go look for a job as long as Obama keeps handing you free money, how long have you been on his payroll?

        • Vagabond661

          The Democrats tried prevent the active duty military from voting in the 2010 elections.

  • wilda campton

    mitt, why did you put so much of your money out of this country. why do you not show us your income tax for ten years. I have paid 30% taxed and I’m a little income person. It is very hard to live off the income I have. I hope you never see the white house. Your republications in congress have sign a statement to not vote for any thing for our president. I will never vote for any republican under any occasion. wilda campton

  • wilda campton

    how do you think that we can’t see your stupid remarks about the 47% crap you mention before. You just talk out of your mouth what you want us to hear. you do not care about us small people. I know that you only care about your rich people. no white house for you.

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