NY Times: Debate “Unhelpful” Because Romeny Won

Before the high fiving from last night ends, enjoy a minute of pure Schadenfreude. Imagine the poor slob who wrote this; trying -desperately- to avoid the fact Obama proved himself to be clueless and incompetent last night. You can see them at the keyboard, the partisan rage oozing from every pore…

Normally the Times tries to pretend they walk the highroad… on this one they gave up, going into full hate mode, even admitting in the headline that the debate wasn’t ‘helpful’ because the wrong guy won. But give them credit, they hit even liberal talking point they could, even whining about the moderator not saving Obama.

I snipped it pretty hard but you get the vibe of the piece…  And I my interjected snark:

Editorial

An Unhelpful Debate

The first debate between President Obama and Mitt Romney, so long anticipated, quickly sunk into an unenlightening recitation of tired talking points and mendacity. With few sparks [really -ED] and little clarity on the immense gulf that truly separates the two men and their policies, Wednesday’s encounter provided little guidance for voters still trying to understand the choice in next month’s election. [Really? -ED]

The Mitt Romney who appeared on the stage at the University of Denver seemed to be fleeing from the one who won the Republican nomination on a hard-right platform of tax cuts, budget slashing and indifference to the suffering of those at the bottom of the economic ladder. And Mr. Obama’s competitive edge from 2008 clearly dulled, as he missed repeated opportunities to challenge Mr. Romney on his falsehoods and turnabouts.

Virtually every time Mr. Romney spoke, he misrepresented the platform on which he and Paul Ryan are actually running. …

That simply isn’t true. [Romney LIED! ha!]  ….

…In fact, many economists have said exactly that, and, without details, Mr. Romney can’t simply refute them. But rather than forcefully challenging this fiction, Mr. Obama chose to be polite and professorial, as if hoping that strings of details [really?] could hold up against blatant nonsense. [No bias here! -ED]

Viewers were not helped by a series of pedestrian questions from the moderator, Jim Lehrer of PBS, who never jumped in to challenge either candidate on the facts. [Read they were not helped because a reliable liberal didn't save Obama's ass -ED]

When Mr. Romney accused the president of supporting a “trickle-down government,” Mr. Obama might have demanded to know what that means.[Translation: Mitt is a big 'ol meanie]

He could then have pointed out that it is Mr. Romney whose economic plan is based on the discredited idea that high-end tax cuts trickle down to the middle class and poor. [NOPE no bias here, move along. Volumes of economic theory have been 'discredited by the 4 years of this great economy under Obama... are these guys on dope?]

Mr. Romney said he supported the idea of regulation but rejected the Dodd-Frank financial reform law because it was too generous to the big “New York banks.” This is an alternative-universe interpretation of a law [heh... tell me, who has an "alternative-universe interpretation" of facts here?]

On health care, Mr. Romney pretended that he had an actual plan…[nope, no bias here.. no sounding more lefty than Kos, just unbiased commentary is all the NYT has... losers]

There are still two more presidential debates, and Mr. Obama has the facts on his side to expose the hollowness of his opponent

Sure Obama has the facts on his side.. look at what a great job he has done so far. Who you going to believe us or the failing economy?

Note to the NYT… when you make Bill Maher and Michale Moore look non-partisan commentators, you’re pretty hopeless.

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  • herddog505

    Given the (thus far pathetic) efforts at spinning away Barry’s defeat following hard on the heels of undisguised disbelief and disappointment at how badly he did, does ANYBODY believe that MiniTru hasn’t got a huge pro-Barry bias?

  • Ryan

    “Sure Obama has the facts on his side.. look at what a great job he has done so far. Who you going to believe us or the failing economy?”

    why do republicans try to throw their messy laundry (Ahem Bushhhhh) on Obama? really this oped was extremely unhelpful.

    • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

      “If I can’t get this [economic situation] turned around in three years, it’ll be a one term proposition”

      BHO

      • jim_m

        I recall my Finance class in B school where they said that the President could impact the economy enough that after 9 months he owned responsibility for the economy. obama has had plenty of time to make changes to spur economic growth. He simply hasn’t bothered because it is not on his agenda to improve the economy.

        More people on government aid IS the plan. When his admin is claiming the greatest number of people ever on food stamps as a great success you know that the plan is to make everyone poor.

        • http://www.rustedsky.net JLawson

          “Make us all into beggars because they’re easier to please…”

        • OnLooker

          You seriously think that Obama’s big secret plan is to make everyone in the country poor…and that somehow benefits him?

          • jim_m

            Worked for his friend Hugo Chavez.

            And, yes, his plan is to make everyone dependent upon government. when you are dependent on government then you will vote for the candidate that will promise you the greatest benefits from the government. That has been the dem strategy for well over a decade. I’d wager that we haven’t seen a dem President that believed in people working for their own success since before Carter.

            It’s not much of a secret either.

          • Jwb10001

            If that’s not it then what is his plan and when can we expect it to have any positive impact on the situation?

          • retired.military

            Well if it isnt his plan he is doing a good job of it. And how does it benefit him? It fulfills his vision of an equal outcome America, where everyone is equal.

          • 914

            Its no secret buddy..

    • That_Paul

      I tell ya what… you go ahead and round up the economic indicators from Jan 20th 2009 that Obama improved.

      Unemployment? The National Debt? How about workforce participation? How about the price of gas? Oh and when you make you list, why not tell me what the price of food and healthcare has done for 4 years?

      Go head… show us what a great job Obama is doing.

      • Ryan

        I shouldn’t justify this with a response, as simple rattling off of indicators without any substantial explanation as to why their should be any confidence afforded to Romney as to do any better. However, example 1: unemployment. Romney’s economic plan decreases taxes on business’ thus less gov’t money, more money in the pockets of the rich. Doesn’t lower prices, and doesn’t create jobs. Reducing corporate taxes does not make a country more competitive. Red herring perpetuated by well (insert here, i think you can figure that one out).

        • Jwb10001

          Do you think higher taxes on business will improve unemployment if so you need a basic course in economics. Business taxes are a cost to business increased costs have to be off set by either higher prices or reduced costs elsewhere,…. what do you think elsewhere is? It’s a 3 letter word J-O-B-S. Please also explain how more money for government can mean anything but more government jobs and how that’s better than private sector jobs that create tax revenues without the adverse effect of government salaries. See it’s simple if you hire a government worker he gets 100% salary from taxes and pays 15 -20% in taxes so why would we want to stimulate government hiring over private sector hiring? Your talking points have no basis in reality.

        • Vagabond661

          Where in this response do you tell us what a great job Obama is doing? (Hint: that’s what that_paul asked.)

          • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

            And where does he cite economic indicators supporting an assertion that 0bama has been less than an unmitigated disaster?

        • Vagabond661

          It’s interesting as you try to imagine what Romney’s economic plan might do. Meanwhile we are living in what Obama’s economic plan IS doing.

    • http://www.wizbangblog.com David Robertson

      Blaming Obama’s debate loss on Bush . . . how pathetic.

      • http://www.rustedsky.net JLawson

        It’s all they’ve got left. Oh, and that Romney’s a rude meanie who doesn’t even bother to eat the dog on top of his car…

      • Ryan

        The comment was not in reference to debate loss. what is more pathetic is your competence in reading comprehension.

        • Jwb10001

          You know what’s really pathetic, your insistence that Obama not be held accountable for the situation in the country after more than 3 years of his presidency.

        • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

          “If I can’t get this [economic situation] turned around in three years, it’ll be a one term proposition”
          BHO

          • 914

            that will last for 109 years

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=9134138 Jose Ponce

    Do you even know of what you are saying? – the fact that Romney lies on a colossal scale was ever more evident in the debate. How can America value more in a candidate the ability to perform character assassination and LIE than the subject of their actual campaigns. The sad reality is that general education in the US is so poor that the vast majority of individuals lack the history and ability to comprehend how their opinionated selves are NOT prepared to take decisions that AFFECT EVERYONE. What is more, they are easily enveloped in a rolling, calumnious, and deceitful mainstream of propaganda that is supported by the rich and mighty who ordain government with an ethos of their convenience. Please, if I may ask the writer to not enhance the importance of the aforementioned methods of debate and let America focus on what the campaigns are ACTUALLY saying. Thank you.

    • That_Paul

      >the fact that Romney lies on a colossal scale was ever more evident in the debate

      Are you on drugs?
      Barrack Obama lied to cover up the fact he got 4 people killed by a terrorists attack on 9/11… and you want to say Mitt lied?

      Are you are drugs?
      Barrack Obama (campaign) a felon and you say Mitt Lied?

      Are you are drugs?
      Barrack Obama (thru Ried) called Mitt a tax cheat and you want to say Mitt lied?

      Are you on fucking drugs?
      BO said “If you like your plan you can keep your plan” which everyone knew was a lie… and now you say Romney lied?

      Are you on drugs?
      Obama said Al Qeada was dead… and they killed 4 people in a terrorist attack 2 weeks later. And Mitt is the liar.

      What fucking drugs are you on?

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=9134138 Jose Ponce

        - Are you on Drugs? – First of all, your mere reply is exactly what I am referring to – CHARACTER ASSASSINATION. I will not abase myself by doing the same thing to you.
        - The comment you just made about Barrack Obama lying to cover up how he killed people people on 9/11 is preposterous and just makes me really wonder HOW, on God’s name, would someone create such a dumb calumny, and then, who would believe in it? You.
        - I think that it isn’t worth my time to carry on a debate with someone as skittish and dumb as you.
        - I just realized that I must have, surely, bumped into some extreme right-wing blog which is probably supported by either, some asset of the powerful media or some dysfunctional individual who will do so because he finds comfort when finding other narrow-minded, uneducated people as himself.

        Either or, this is not my place. So I wasted some 5 minutes of my time replying to you – I feel even dumber for allowing myself to do so.
        —– End of Discussion —–

        • http://www.rustedsky.net JLawson

          Reality is such an uncooperative bitch at times, isn’t it? As is the internet, where nothing is ever forgotten and spin has a way of being found out…

        • That_Paul

          You have not addressed the issue.

          Obama has lied about everything for the last 6 years. And largely the media has backed him.

          He lied about a terrorist attack on 9/11 that killed our Ambassador and three other people. Yet you call Mitt the liar.

          I ask again… what fucking drugs are you on?

          • jim_m

            I think that Jose lacked the wit to understand that you were referring to Benghazi and not 9/11/2001.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=9134138 Jose Ponce

            Yep, I had no idea.

          • http://www.rustedsky.net JLawson

            That was pretty clear. Might want to just observe what’s going on, and crank down your ‘knee jerk’ knob from 11 to maybe 2 or so.

          • That_Paul

            And that is the exact problem. You had no fucking idea what you were talking about. Moron.

          • Jwb10001

            Do you think he’s getting…. what shall we call it,,, media filtered news?

          • retired.military

            Yep you are truly clueless. Still posting after “END OF DISCUSSION” No suprise there.

          • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

            Modify to read you had no clue and we’d be more likely to take you at your word, Jose.

          • That_Paul

            OH thank you… I did not realize even Jose Ponce was that stupid. — That was level of stupidity was so implausible to me, I didn’t realize anyone was that stupid. Guess I should have known anyone saying Mitt was the liar in the race really was that stupid.

          • Jwb10001

            People like him get their news from the MSM, they have not heard about this stuff. Last night is the first time many of them have had to face Obama’s record all at once and without spin. To them it must all be lies how else do you explain them not knowing?

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=9134138 Jose Ponce

            Heck, I’ll be recurrent to this blog one last time. – I was upset when That_Paul insulted me and thus reacted in a similar fashion. I don’t think that my message was well understood. I am not trying to show ANY biases for either candidate.. Moreover, my premise lays foundation in that the flaws of a president shouldn’t be a reason to choose another. I was only trying to point out that, from what I have seen by reading the paper periodically, is that Mitt Romney presented a different version of his policies in the debate. – The public should try to sort out what each is saying and focus on that. Not on what president can cause the biggest shock in amusement. I am not an academic in politics and therefore have a limited understanding of how much power does the executive branch actually has to say whether every policy proposed by a president will be set in forth motion.
            Another issue is, again, I am not entitled to be opinionated publicly towards a respective biases, because I believe that this is a rather personal, private topic. I do, however, erupt when I see people creating blogs that are entirely biased. You shouldn’t do this, to either the left or the right. There should be no ‘feelings’ involved in this discussions as these obfuscate the ability to be rational.
            THE LAST THING, this was really my first ever post on a blog of this kind, and I started commenting in the wrong way. I’m just outta here… I got more important things to do and I deleted my account so you might as well ignore my comments as I will not read them or respond to them.

          • jim_m

            Paragraphs are your friend not your enemy.

          • jim_m

            I was only trying to point out that, from what I have seen by reading the paper periodically, is that Mitt Romney presented a different version of his policies in the debate.

            Wrong. For the first time you got to hear Romney unfiltered. You think that he is lying to you? Grow up. It is the MSM that has been misrepresenting him all along. You buy into the MSM narrative because you are ill informed and you choose to stay that way by denying any information that does not coincide with their left wing narrative.

            Your protest was that Romney was actually afforded an opportunity to present his side without someone shouting him down. You don’t want democracy, you want your left wing utopia shoved down everyone’s throat.

            What you said above about not being prepared to make informed decisions applies directly and specifically to yourself.

          • http://www.rustedsky.net JLawson

            ” I do, however, erupt when I see people creating blogs that are entirely biased.”

            Then I imagine you have one hell of a time over at HuffPo, ThinkProgress, LGF, Democratic Underground and all those fun, heavily ideologically biased places, don’t you?

            Ain’t all about you, Sparky. Maybe someone told you at some point that you’re such a special little snowflake you should feel free to attempt to control all those around you, so you’re never put out by anything anyone else says… but the world doesn’t work that way.

            “THE LAST THING, this was really my first ever post on a blog of this kind, and I started commenting in the wrong way.”

            Didn’t you just…

            And instead of actually conversing with people like they’ve got ideas worth considering even if you DON’T agree with their points of view, and challenging both yourself and them to try to find common ground, you just… run away.

            (Shrug.)

            Your loss, snowflake. You could learn a hell of a lot from Ryan A, Chico, Bruce Henry and the like.

          • http://opinion.ak4mc.us/ Scribe of Slog (McGehee)

            I do, however, erupt when I see people creating blogs that are entirely biased.

            Blogs are about opinion, cupcake. Welcome to the intarwebz.

          • That_Paul

            >I was upset when That_Paul insulted me

            You poor precious flower… First rule of internet comments, don’t make a complete jackass out of yourself and people probably won’t insult you.

            >I don’t think that my message was well understood.

            You’re right. I assumed above you had an IQ over about 35. My apologies for assuming you knew Obama got 4 people killed in Libya and lied to cover it up. Why not read the news a bit before you come to news website and show your ass to the world?

            >I am not trying to show ANY biases for either candidate..

            And you want to say somebody else is lying?

            What drugs are you on again?

          • retired.military

            “>I was upset when That_Paul insulted me”

            Than you dont even want to play with me. Why dont you go back to the sand box there kid. You wont get your feelings hurt so much.

          • retired.military

            “Heck, I’ll be recurrent to this blog one last time. – ”

            Now why do you want to go and do something like that. Dont you know that cruel and unusual punishment is against the constitution.

        • Vagabond661

          “I feel even dumber for allowing myself to do so.”
          I suppose that’s possible on a colossal scale.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=9134138 Jose Ponce

            My point. All you do is attempt to discredit me in the hopes to be sound important, smarter, or having won some argument over me. Dude, honestly, I made I mistake by showing my face on a freaking right-winged blog. Do yourself a favor if you have no face or name but that of an alias, ignore my comments as they’re probably way over your head.

          • Vagabond661

            If that helps you to sleep at night, so be it.

          • retired.military

            I thought you had gone away. Please do what you said and go.

        • GarandFan

          “End of Discussion”

          TRANSLATION: I have no more ‘DNC talking points” to regurgitate. And your statements are making my head hurt because they cause be to have to think.

        • retired.military

          “- I think that it isn’t worth my time to carry on a debate with someone as skittish and dumb as you.”

          DOnt go away mad. Just go away.

    • jim_m

      the vast majority of individuals lack the history and ability to
      comprehend how their opinionated selves are NOT prepared to take
      decisions that AFFECT EVERYONE.

      Indeed. And you are a prime example of that fact.

      • Jwb10001

        And the guy that said that called us dumb……..

    • SCSIwuzzy

      Would you be so kind as to provide specifics? Which lies were told by either candidate?

    • retired.military

      Oh look Spongebob Grumpy Carl logged in under yet another name.

  • OnLooker
    • jim_m

      So your claim that Romney lied is backed up by a left wing blog that cites an analysis from a dem dominated think tank?

      Why not just cut and paste remarks from Axelrod? It would save you time and effort.

    • retired.military

      Oh look Spongebob Grumpy Carl logged in under yet another name.

  • http://www.facebook.com/Stan25 Stan Brewer

    The debate was an unmitigated disaster for Team Obama and the state controlled media. Why do I say this? Well, they both had spent time, money, ink by the barrels full and digital pixels saying what a lout Mitt Romney was and in some circles — still is. Even after months and months of propaganda, they still have not sealed the deal and now it will never happen. Last night’s Obama fiasco has opened the eyes of many people that were very ambivalent towards Romney. In the next 30 days, more eyes will be opened and Obama will be swept of office in the a 50 state landslide. I do have one question here: How many unconstitutional executive orders will he issue between November 7 and January 20, when he finally moves out of the White House and how much stuff will he steal as he heads out the door?

    • jim_m

      I think our new acquaintance, Jose, is a marvelous example of the effect that the MSM has had. He leaps to the conclusion that Romney is a liar because Romney did not appear to stand for all the things the media has been claiming.

      Jose assumes that the media are always honest and always objective. At least he is aware that a large number of people are so ill informed that they really ought not to be voting. Too bad he fails to realize that this applies first and foremost to himself.

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  • Jwb10001

    OK nevermind you’ve answered the question, there is no point that Obama can be held accountable thanks for the verification.

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