27 Dead, Including 18 Children, In Connecticut Elementary School Shooting

Children are lead away from the Sandy Hook Elementary School (Shannon Hicks/The Newtown Bee)

From The Hartford Courant:

Twenty-seven people, including 18 children, have been killed in a shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School, according to the Associated Press.

The report cites an official with knowledge of the situation.

Sources told The Courant that there are at least 20 shooting victims. Many of the shootings took place in a kindergarten classroom, sources said.

One entire classroom is unaccounted for, sources said.

A person believed to be a shooter is dead. Earlier reports of a second shooter are unconfirmed.

This is a breaking story, so stay tuned for updates…

From The New York Times:

Eighteen children were killed on Friday morning in a shooting at an elementary school in Newtown, Conn., about 65 miles northeast of New York City, according to a person who had been briefed on the shooting. Another law enforcement official said preliminary reports suggested there could be as many as 20 fatalities.

One state official said that an adult gunman was believed to be dead in the shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School. The gunman was in possession of at least two firearms, the official said.

…The school, located among wooded hills and suburban tracts in Fairfield County, 12 miles east of Danbury, serves kindergarten through fourth grade. The school has about 700 students.

Reports on Twitter say that the principal and another teacher were killed. The school has locked doors that require visitors to be buzzed in. That would tend to suggest that the shooter had a relationship with someone at the school.

Update: More information on the shooter

CBS News’ John Miller reports there is preliminary information that the gunman was the father of one of the students. Miller additionally reports the gunman is 20 years old and is from New Jersey.

A law enforcement official in Washington said the attacker was a 20-year-old man with ties to the school and that one of the guns was a .223-caliber rifle. The official also said that New Jersey State Police were searching a location in that state in connection with the shootings. That official spoke on the condition of anonymity because the source was not authorized to speak on the record about the developing criminal investigation. It is not known whether the shooter took his own life or was killed.

“The shooter is deceased inside the building,” State Police Lt. Paul Vance said during a press conference, adding that the scene is secure.

CBS News reports that a potential second shooter is in custody and that SWAT is now investigating the home of the suspect.

A witness tells WFSB-TV that a second man was taken out of the woods in handcuffs wearing a black jacket and camouflage pants and telling parents on the scene, “I did not do it.”

Fox Connecticut reports that the shooting began in the kindergarten classroom.

This is just a horrible tragedy….

Update 2: CNN is reporting that the number of dead is closer to 30, though a final number is not yet available. Also here’s a heartbreaking photo from Rueters…

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  • http://www.rustedsky.net JLawson

    Son of a bitch. There’s a special place in hell for fuckheads who go deliberately shooting children like this. And to start in the kindergarden…

    Damn. Just… damn.

    • jim_m

      As a parent I have a hard time of conceiving of any punishment for this sort of thing that would qualify as cruel and unusual.

  • jim_m

    Wow. Good thing schools are gun free zones.

  • Commander_Chico

    America is a sick country, this happens every week.

    • cirby

      No it doesn’t, you moron.

      • SteveCrickmore075

        Chico should have said every few days…Just 3 days ago, we had another mass shooting in a Oregon shopping mall. According to the NRA mantra, immediately after a gun massacre will not be a good time to talk about gun control…. When is it ever?

        • jim_m

          After a shooting spree, they always want to take the guns away from the people who didn’t do it. – William Burroughs

          I suppose that knife control is next on your political agenda?

          A knife-wielding man slashed 22 children and an adult at an elementary school in central China on Friday, state media reported, the latest in a series of attacks on schoolchildren in the country.

          Stop being a fascist and punishing the innocent. A better answer is to allow CCW for teachers. Deranged gunmen are going to think twice (assuming they think at all) if they know that teachers have been trained to use force against them.

          • SteveCrickmore075

            Of course, you realize Burroughs shot and killed his first wife. So I suppose as an expert on violence he is given due respect.

          • jim_m

            I suppose that we should punish him for doing that and not his neighbor. You would say that we should punish both. That’s not exactly what most people would call justice. Most would consider that a form of oppression against his innocent neighbor. You seem to think it just.

          • jim_m

            Actually, it was his second wife and it was an accident

            Vollmer was balancing a water tumbler on her head as her husband aimed a handgun at it. When Burroughs fired, the bullet missed the water tumbler and hit Vollmer, who died later that day from a gunshot wound to the skull,

            Burroughs was convicted of manslaughter. Should have been convicted of rank idiocy as well if his story is true.

        • Conservachef

          “According to the NRA mantra, immediately after a gun massacre this
          will not a good time to talk about gun control…. When is it ever?”

          Perhaps when the bodies have at least made it to the morgue, you dunce? Can we get through a freaking tragedy without someone using it to push their (gun control) agenda? Maybe the NRA is trying to be, you know, civil and courteous?

          Let’s be decent human beings and show concern for the victims, and save the “those EEeevil guns!” slogans for later.

          • SteveCrickmore075

            When is later?There is precious time between shootings, and I was replying to jim m’s solution two hours before, that schools shouldn’t be gun free. As he says, every kindergarten teacher should have a concealed weapon presumably loaded in the classrom. Sorry ,I momentarily forgot the other NRA rule, they are the only ones allowed to have opinions on this issue.

          • jim_m

            Actually, the obama White House has also said that today is not the day for a gun control discussion. I guess that makes Barry a gun nut in your book.

          • SteveCrickmore075

            It is never is time to have a gun control discussion!. That is my point. Cautious politicians, like Obama never want to lead public opinion, they might hurt themselves, and be criticized. He hopes the problem just disappears on its own, because he risks losing votes from the other side. Better to do nothing and say as little as possible. Why did he vote absent so much, in the lllinois legislature, but even he must be tired of going to so many funerals?
            But when should we talk about public policy and shooting massacres? Should we wait until, we haven’t had a mass homicidal shooting spree for 9 straight days, then we can talk about them and what we can or can’t do to reduce them. Not likely! I agree we should get as many as the facts, and pause and reflect… but this is a political blog about the day’s top stories.

          • jim_m

            I suppose I have to agree with you. There is never a time to have a discussion about violating the civil rights of innocent citizens.

            You are a fool if you think that banning guns will stop this. Look up “attacks on school children in China” and you will see that this year has been an epidemic of mass murder in that country. They have a complete ban on guns. Children are hacked apart with cleavers instead. Are you going to ban kitchen utensils?

            People who do this are evil. You may not believe in evil, but you should. We cannot rid the world of evil. No matter how much of a police state you make this nation you will never stop these kinds of things from happening.

          • SteveCrickmore075

            No, we won’t as long as in states like New York you can buy and own firearms, if you have reached the long-in-the-tooth age of 16, (if you don’t have a criminal record), but not a can of beer until you are 21.
            We will just have to wait to see how a twenty year old with a history of mental illness, was able to acquire two handguns, a Sig Sauer, and a Glock, plus a M4 carbine .

          • SteveCrickmore075

            No, we won’t as long as in states like New York you can buy and own firearms, if you have reached the long-in-the-tooth age of 16, (if you don’t have a criminal record), but not a can of beer until you are 21.
            We will just have to wait to see how a twenty year old with a history of mental illness, was able to acquire two handguns, a Sig Sauer, and a Glock, plus a M4 carbine .

          • Sky__Captain

            I see a few things here:

            1) Stricter gun laws will not stop the crazies and/or criminals, they just takes guns from the law-abiding citizen.

            2) Liberals will use ANY sort of tragedy to further their agenda to suppress my rights, even though I wasn’t at fault.

            3) Steve’s a dumbass fool.

          • 914

            Very astute observation.

          • 914

            Very astute observation.

          • Hugh_G

            Screw those 20 dead babies as long as you get what you want. The one right you will always retain is the right to be a jackass and bray about your “rights.”

          • jim_m

            1) 5 year olds are not babies

            2) in China they are slaughtering school children with knives and cleavers. It doesn’t take a gun to commit an atrocity. This is a question about the culture and not about weapons. Lefties who want to talk about a need for gun control are simply trying o get out of their responsibility for doing something about the culture that breeds this kind of behavior. You’d rather lock up all the innocent people instead.

            3) this is now the third major incident recently where a mentally disturbed individual committed a mass killing (The Gabby Giffords shooting and the Aurora, CO theater are the other two I’m thinking of). In all of these instances the left wants to talk about gun control and not about helping the mentally ill.

            and 4) shame on you Hugh, for engaging in this debate on what should be a holy day. Hypocrite.

          • retired.military

            Yet just a few years ago those babies were unborn and LOTS of liberals think that it is okay to kill them then.

          • retired.military

            Yet just a few years ago those babies were unborn and LOTS of liberals think that it is okay to kill them then.

          • herddog505

            Hugh_GThe one right you will always retain is the right to be a jackass and bray about your “rights.”

            … writes the attorney. Where did you take your law degree? The Law School at Joseph Stalin U?

            Tell us: which of YOUR rights are you willing to give up? What about the rights to legal counsel and trial by jury? Would we hear you “bray” about your rights if we arrested you for something (doesn’t really matter what, that whole nullum crimen, nulla poena thing being just another silly right that we can dispense with) and punished you without you having a fair chance to defend yourself? Gosh, this opens whole vistas, doesn’t it? The right to be free from double jeopardy… the right to not testify against one’s self… the rights to see evidence, to subpoena witnesses, to appeal the verdict, and even to not be subject to cruel and unusual punishment… All those pesky rights that impede the course of people’s justice, encapsulated in that musty, mouldy old document that we tea baggers have such a fetish for.

            So, again: which rights are YOU willing to give up?

          • Hugh_G

            The alleged right to own assault weapons.

          • jim_m

            Yep because it was the weapon that caused the crime not the underlying mental illness. The mental illness you seem bent on ignoring and making sure that no one does anything about.

            As criminal psychologist Dr. Alan Lipman said:

            “The fact is, the facts are, as in Aurora, as in Arizona, as in Virginia Tech, as in virtually every case the Secret Service studied of these kinds of events… Every one of these episodes is proceeded by an undiagnosed, untreated, mental illness… Over the last 24 hours increasing information has come in from family members, from friends, from students, that Adam Lanza, as you have mentioned, was disturbed, was removed, was isolated.”

            Plus, what is it that makes an assault weapon so deadly? I can buy the same model of rifle that comes with a pistol grip and without. According to you when it has a pistol grip it becomes more deadly. Does the shape of the rifle butt impart more lethality to the weapon? Where are your links showing us that these weapons are more deadly than other rifles of similar caliber?

            Some reports say that he left the rifle in the car so the vast majority of murders here were committed by pistols.

          • retired.military

            Is that like the alleged right to an abortion? The bill of rights specifically mentions firearms but does not mention abortions. Liberal logic = not paying attention to facts.

          • herddog505

            “Alleged”? Given (A) the Second Amendment and (B) the fact that millions of Americans legally own those “assault” weapons (what are those, by the way? The ones that look “scary”?), I’d say that the right to own them is an established, legal fact, like the “alleged” right to get a lawyer when the police nick you.

          • jim_m

            millions of Americans legally own those “assault” weapons (what are those, by the way? The ones that look “scary”?)

            I’ve asked Carl to answer that too and he ran away. They don’t understand guns and they don’t care. An assault weapon is just the low hanging fruit of the gun control lobby. Once they get rid of them they will find another scary name to ban another segment of the industry. It isn’t because they have made a case that assault weapons are more dangerous.

          • retired.military

            meanhwhile a million unborn babies are killed every year. THe left cheers it on.

          • retired.military

            Screw those million unborn kids killed through abortions as long as you get what you want. The one right you will always retain is the right to be a jackass and bray about women’s “rights.”

          • Sky__Captain

            I see a few things here:

            1) Stricter gun laws will not stop the crazies and/or criminals, they just takes guns from the law-abiding citizen.

            2) Liberals will use ANY sort of tragedy to further their agenda to suppress my rights, even though I wasn’t at fault.

            3) Steve’s a dumbass fool.

          • jim_m

            So you missed the link I posted to the Chinese man who slaughtered the school children with a cleaver. Does it make a difference if your son or daughter is shot or if they are hacked to pieces? I’m sure that the slower, more painful death for your children is the one you prefer.

            Did you miss the fact that the lack of guns did not stop this Chinese man from committing his atrocity? You ignorantly think that waving a magic wand and making guns disappear that there will be no more crime and no more murder.

            We all await your explanation of how it is that murderers will suddenly obey the laws of the land when you ban handguns. Sky Captain is right. You are a fool.

          • SteveCrickmore075

            yes, it is about the fourth time you have brought up the Chinese atrocity .the difference is none of the 22 Chinese children died. They will recover from their injuries bad as they may have been, the 20 american mainly five and six year olds shot will not. That is why people use guns, they are generally deadlier weapons. last week the solution by the NRA and wizbang for the KC tragedy as always was more guns. well Belcher the linebacker and his girlfriend were fanatics about guns, between them they owned eight or nine, not much good they did her, earlier today people said the teachers should have had more guns, well the shooting was done using three of a teacher´’s guns. Another suggestion here was that teachers should be armed, not with chalk and an eraser but with a concealed gun, (that is Ann Coulter’s suggestion too) why not mandate every teacher take military combat training, since are schools for our children are becoming war zones so quickly, or just educate them at home, but it is not our gun culture which is a factor, (you don’t want to go there) though no other western industrial country has over seventy murders a year by firearms, but America has over ten thousand.

          • herddog505

            Our “gun culture”? Is this something new? Or did little American boys a half-century ago NOT run around with cap pistols on their hips, gleefully playing cowboys and Indians, and – somehow – manage NOT to gun real people down? And did little American boys a couple of centuries ago NOT routinely use guns to hunt for food, yet manage NOT to massacre the other kids in their one-room schoolhouses?

            And let’s assume that our “gun culture” is the problen. What does that mean in practical terms? Shall we ban violent video games, violent movies, toy guns, blah-blah-blah?

            I get that, at a time like this, people struggle to understand “why” and try to think what we might do to stop it happening again. This is normal. As I see it, the unfortunate fact is that there isn’t much to be done that won’t trample all over SOMEBODY’s rights:

            — If we have “sensible gun control” (i.e. some sort of ban or limit), then that tramples the rights of the millions of Americans who peacefully, legally own or wish to own firearms;

            — If we have “sensible policies regarding the mentally ill”, then we may wind up institutionalizing – locking up – people who are not a threat to themselves or anybody else.

            So: what ought we to do? Who do you want to screw over?

          • jim_m

            There was discussion in that story of other incidents in China where the children did die. A man went into a school and hacked 8 to death with a cleaver.

            You wonder why children are vulnerable when you put them in a gun free zone where there can be no protection. Your solution is to put them in a gun free state. Illinois, Washington DC, Chicago and elsewhere have proven that ineffective. Your next solution is to put them in a gun free society. Multiple European nations have proven that ineffective as guns abound with the criminal element. China and Japan have shown that edged weapons are as efficient in killing innocents as guns.

            My question to you is how far will you go in restricting the civil liberties of others until you make the world the way you want it? How many people will fall victim to government oppression in the meantime?

          • retired.military

            I am quite certain a good portion of the 10k number (if it is valid) are suicides which would have found another way to kill themself if not by firearm. Also considering we have 300 million people in the country and over 2 billion firearms I wouild say that 10k is a minimal statistic. If you look at the number of deaths via car vs the number of cars and people in the country the % would be much higher. Do you suggest we get rid of cars as well? After all there is nothing in the BIll or rights about the right to own a car.

          • jim_m

            So you missed the link I posted to the Chinese man who slaughtered the school children with a cleaver. Does it make a difference if your son or daughter is shot or if they are hacked to pieces? I’m sure that the slower, more painful death for your children is the one you prefer.

            Did you miss the fact that the lack of guns did not stop this Chinese man from committing his atrocity? You ignorantly think that waving a magic wand and making guns disappear that there will be no more crime and no more murder.

            We all await your explanation of how it is that murderers will suddenly obey the laws of the land when you ban handguns. Sky Captain is right. You are a fool.

          • Conservachef

            Sorry there Steve, but no dice. You said (paraphrased) “NRA says after a massacre isn’t a good time to talk about gun control- when is?” in reply to CIRBY about how often this happens.

            I wasn’t going to comment at all, out of respect for the victims, but your comment just drew me in.

            Jim_M replied to your (above quoted) comment and brought up CCW. Discuss CCW with Jim_M if you want to, but I don’t think this is the time. Just a difference of opinion, I suppose. Sorry for calling you a dunce.

            “Sorry ,I momentarily forgot the other NRA rule, they are the only ones allowed to have opinions on this issue.”

            See now you’re just being stupid.

            Coincidentally, I’m not digging the new disqus, since it can let things get out-of-order. As I read right now, Paul Hoosen’s comment is 1 hour old, yet falls above JLawson’s, which is 2. Nesting the comments is cool, but I want a timeline-like continuity.

          • retired.military

            If the teachers had a gun when the lunatic went into the class room he would have been shot (hopefully). Gee 20 kids saved and the lunatic is dead. Win win.

        • Vagabond661

          The problem is the criminals who ignore the gun laws in place. Guns are not allowed at school. Gunman on rampage. Guns are not allowed in movie theaters. Gunman on rampage. Guns are not allowed in malls. Gunman on rampage.

          You want to control guns? All these places I listed above did. You want to ban guns so no one will have guns? Sure it worked with cocaine and all other illegal drugs. Can’t find that stuff anywhere. Hell, it’s illegal for anyone who is not a citizen to come into this country without a valid visa. It’s illegal to drive over the posted speed limit, to beat your spouse and to steal from a jewerly store. I guess those things don’t happen anymore because someone had the foresight to make it illegal! Thank goodness for liberal thinking!

          All the the places in the US with the strictest gun control laws have the highest crime rates committed with a gun. How in God’s green earth can you people still say we need MORE gun control laws? Do you have a single neuron firing in your empty skulls?

        • herddog505

          Gosh, I don’t know, Steve: WHEN is it a good time to talk about curtailing my rights because of something somebody else did?

          Say… Most homicidal maniacs are men. YOU’RE (I presume) a man. Can we deny your rights by tossing you in the klink? It’s For The Children(TM).

        • jim_m

          Hey Steve, in the third misbegotten StarWars movie Anakin Skywalker goes in and slaughters all the children training to be Jedi. Wouldn’t the right response thing for obi wan have been to get rid of his light saber since obviously it was the weapon that caused the crime?

          Or perhaps the real answer is to ban movies. At what point would you draw the line on curtailing civil liberties? Other than at curtailing your own?

          • SteveCrickmore075

            You are not allowed to bring a concealed firearm on a airplane, that is a wise curtailment of your ‘civil liberties’. I’m not pushing for banning of guns..just making a better effort, maybe proactive, to keep them out of the reach of these young nutters, would make everyone feel safer including legimate gun holders, as we do with wide-eyed muslim extreme fanatics in America now. That shouldn’t be so hard. We will see the case history of the latest maniac, and how many red flags were again overlooked.

          • jim_m

            My you are naive.

            Federal law prohibits sale of a gun to anyone who has been adjudicated mentally defective,or to anyone who has been convicted of domestic violence, etc, etc.

            Like many gun control supporters you appear to be ignorant of what the current law states. You just want more. You will always want more. You never bother with actually trying to enforce current law, oh sure you pay lip service to that idea, but you never actually do anything to make that happen.

            The issue is not with gun ownership or gun sales, it is with taking care of people who need help. Unfortunately the left is too interested in restricting gun use so they can oppress the population than actually benefiting those who need their help.

            Mentally ill people need your help and your answer is restrict gun use. DOn’t bother helping them directly. Just make it safe to sweep them under the rug so you can forget about them, just like you do with the homeless when a dem is elected into the White House. They are a crisis when Bush was president and they are forgotten about now. People who need your help are only tools to get your political ends. Once the ends are achieved the means can go to hell.

          • SteveCrickmore075

            Mentally ill people need your help and your answer is restrict gun use. DOn’t bother helping them directly
            It was his mother, the kindagarten teacher who had all these semi -automatic guns. Her son the shooter was apparently autistic. Yes, I remember it was the tea party candidate favorite Sharron Angle vs Reid in Nevada, 2010 who echoed the tea party conservative line how she she would ‘help’ parents deal with with autism.-out of their own pockets, because she didn’t consider it a health issue for their children, and therefore their health insurance companies shouldn’t have to cover it, Great! I don’t recall any conservative criticizing Angle then.

            Angle: They just passed the latest one,” Angle said, referring to a law that requires autism coverage. “Everything they want to throw at us now is covered under ‘autism,’ so that’s a mandate that you have to pay for.”

            She raised her hands to indicate quotation marks around the word “autism.”

            “How about maternity leave?” Angle continued. “I’m not going to have any more babies, but I sure get to pay for it on my insurance. So those are the things we want to get rid of.”

          • jim_m

            OK so the guns belonged to the mother. So obviously the answer is that since she did not take care to keep them from her son that we should take guns away from everyone.

            And the so-called diagnosis of autism came from his brother who is not a physician. I suppose you go to lay people for all your medical answers.

            And you come up with some dumb ass quotes from Sharon Angle? SO what? She makes a good point about misdiagnosis. Too bad that you are too dim or too much of an ideologue to understand that.

            Autistic people are not generally violent and those that are are not generally the higher functioning ones. And having a son on the spectrum all I can say is fuck you for blaming what is a nonviolent condition for this incident. Blaming this on autism is bullshit and nothing more than an excuse from the family for not taking care of their relative.

          • jim_m

            And BTW I mentioned elsewhere that we have deinstitutionalized half a million people in the last 50 years. There is a valid point that this country no longer takes care of the mentally ill. I meant it when I said the left likes to use them when politically expedient but ignores them the rest of the time. You don’t give a damn about the mentally ill. You just used them and throw them away.

          • SteveCrickmore075

            I have known a few autistic kids too. looked after one, in London in the 70`s as his carer, an award winning british documentary film was made by his parents called Bunny, his nickname about him, because that was the first thing he recognised, or engaged ‘bugs bunny’. His father and I could never understand if he could really read because he used to memorize everything so easily. From my experience some so-called autistic kids are usually only a little violent to themselves like head banging. Sure there is a lot of misdiagnosis and inflationary diagnosis of autism, in the last couple of decades,.it is too early to know what really occurred. with the shooter. It was the both the left and fringes of the right joining forces, who deinstutionalized the mentally ill; that is why so many were tossed out on the street, and are still there.

          • http://www.rustedsky.net JLawson

            Steve, up until the early 60s you could order rifles by mail order, delivered straight to your door.

            Now you’ve got to have them sent to a gun shop, where they’ll do a federal background check on you before you take possession. That’s the law.

            Go to a gun show. If you’re buying from any of the dealers there, you’ll have to have a federal background check run before you can take possession. Again, that’s the law. And they strongly urge private sales use the same system, just to make sure the person they’re selling to is legal.

            That probably does screen out some of the nutters, felons, and other assholes who shouldn’t own anything more dangerous than a dull butter knife.

            But in this case, the nutter killed his mom, who legally owned the firearms used – and then took them to kill the kids. Against the law, to be sure.

            But criminals just don’t give a damn about the laws they break.

        • jim_m

          Hey Steve, in the third misbegotten StarWars movie Anakin Skywalker goes in and slaughters all the children training to be Jedi. Wouldn’t the right response thing for obi wan have been to get rid of his light saber since obviously it was the weapon that caused the crime?

          Or perhaps the real answer is to ban movies. At what point would you draw the line on curtailing civil liberties? Other than at curtailing your own?

        • retired.military

          But steve. How many have been this year? maybe 5 at the most. yet you want to describe 5 incicdents in 345 days as every few days.

          Try using facts.

    • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

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  • Paul Hooson

    My heart and prayers go out to the victims of this latest copycat violence version of the deranged Aurora, Colorado shooting. This past Tuesday, only a few miles from my home, another deranged paramilitary nutjob gunman shot up the shopping mall before his gun jammed. A few wackos are becoming unhinged before the holidays because of bad relationships with girls and/or unresolved mental health issues.

    JLawson expresses my feelings exactly here. Guys who victimize kids are really bad….

  • jim_m

    The man apparently killed at least one of his parents in NJ before going to this school in Connecticut. It is unclear what the connection is.

    But with all school killings the one thread I see is expressed by the perpetrator of a mass killing in China who made this confession during his trial, “I have no hatred toward the students I stabbed. I chose them only because they were weak and vulnerable. I wanted to have a big influence among the public,”

    People who want to hurt our children will do so because they are weak and vulnerable. This is not a condition that we can change by disarming people. If they lack guns they will use knives or hammers or other weapons. The answer is to do what we can to protect our children. Ultimately, there will always be these attacks because the deranged person who wants to do this will always find a way.

    Evil exists in this world an there is no law that will remove it from our midst. It is naive to think otherwise.

    • SteveCrickmore075

      Yes, but If this nut had been a muslim terrorist, and had executed twenty children and seven adults, every conservative instead of stoically shrugging their shoulders, would be saying we have to do something …

      • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

        …and every f*cktard liberal (BIRM) would be proclaiming the innocence or lack of culpability of the terrorist assailant and blaming it on the weapon.

      • jim_m

        At such a time as the motivation for this crime is understood, then we will discuss what should be done. Yes, it he were a muslim and had done this because of his religious convictions I would say we should do something about radical islam. In a similar manner when the mentally ill young man shot up the theater in Colorado I said that we needed to do a better job of identifying those individuals and getting them appropriate help.

        The difference is that I believe the answer is found in addressing the individual who did this and what made them do it and not in punishing others or in using this as an excuse for suspending civil rights.

      • 914

        Too late! He’s already dead..

      • herddog505

        Yeah, as in, “This SOB is one of many. Let’s get the rest of ‘em.”

        Your solution, extending your analogy, would be to carpet bomb the Middle East. “Hey, one of you did something bad, so ALL of you should suffer!”

      • Sky__Captain

        Apparently, Steve doesn’t understand conservatives and attempts to apply his own views on conservatives.

      • Sky__Captain

        Apparently, Steve doesn’t understand conservatives and attempts to apply his own views on conservatives.

      • GarandFan

        So what would you do Steve? We had guns 100 years ago. We had guns 50 years ago. What’s changed? Oh, yeah, WE DON’T WANT TO GO THERE.

        • jim_m

          We made it taboo to mention God in public and especially school and we deinstitutionalized half a million mental patients. But I’m sure it is the guns that have been around for centuries that are the problem instead.

          • http://www.rustedsky.net JLawson

            More like we made it taboo to say that any action was inherently good or bad. Then, in our media consumption, celebrated the antihero and tore down the ostensible hero.

            Lousy idea in the long run.

      • GarandFan

        So what would you do Steve? We had guns 100 years ago. We had guns 50 years ago. What’s changed? Oh, yeah, WE DON’T WANT TO GO THERE.

      • retired.military

        LIke kill terrorist.

        If this nutjob was still alive than most of the left would be falling all over themselves proclaiming how everything in his life caused him to do this instead of him and therefore he shouldnt even go to jail but be treated and let back into society.

  • GarandFan

    God help those families.

  • GarandFan

    God help those families.

  • montana love

    26 beautiful souls died today, I wish i could heal this pain someway.
    Im crying tears of sorrow , for the people who wont see tomorrow.
    all I can do is pray and wonder why,
    why 26 souls had to die.
    -Montana love

    • SteveCrickmore075

      Lovely state Montana!.. Just read this from a montana blog about what ‘intelligent insights’ on the shooting, we might get from a state Connecticut, whose police forces have this discrimatory policy in force. An applicant for the New London, Ct, police force was denied employment because he had scored too high on an intelligence test. Sometimes, even I as a liberal, can see why the second amendment advocates are so furious!

  • retired.military

    I got a traffic ticket for speeding yesterday.

    I am going to subpoena all the liberals on this board so they can testify that I wasnt at fault. My car did it and therefore I shouldnt be punished.

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