Boy Scouts Said Close To Lifting Ban On Homosexuals

Well this is interesting…

The Boy Scouts of America, one of the nation’s largest private youth organizations, is actively considering an end to its decades-long policy of banning gay scouts or scout leaders, according to scouting officials and outsiders familiar with internal discussions.

If adopted by the organization’s board of directors, it would represent a profound change on an issue that has been highly controversial — one that even went to the US Supreme Court. The new policy, now under discussion, would eliminate the ban from the national organization’s rules, leaving local sponsoring organizations free to decide for themselves whether to admit gay scouts.

“The chartered organizations that oversee and deliver scouting would accept membership and select leaders consistent with their organization’s mission, principles or religious beliefs,” according to Deron Smith, a spokesman for the Boy Scouts’ national organization.

Individual sponsors and parents “would be able to choose a local unit which best meets the needs of their families,” Smith said.

Maybe it’s just me, but the solution sounds like it has the potential to blow the organization apart.

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  • MartinLandauCalrissian

    Great. Now watch for the uptick in coming years of molestations in the Scouts.

    • Commander_Chico

      There already have been many – there was a book published about it, Scout’s Honor, Sexual Abuse in America’s Most Trusted Institution by Patrick Boyle.

      There was also the opening of the “secret files” which showed many cases.

      • And this will somehow improve things, I suppose?

        Well, I’m glad my son’s past the scouting stage…

        • Commander_Chico

          I don’t know if it will make much difference on the molestation. After all, Jerry Sandusky was a married guy. I’d be less suspicious of an openly gay guy with a partner than someone else who was just creepy.

          My concern would be promotion of homosexuality as desirable a way of life as heterosexuality to youth. There was a Harvard prof who did a study which said that many people are on the bubble sexually and could go either way, or both ways. If all institutions are putting the message out that it’s great to be gay to kids, there will be more gays.

          There are some interesting studies of the difference between males and females in that regard, too. Women get turned on by just about anything. And then they deny it, lol.

          • If you’re seriously concerned that ‘there’s too many people, and Gaia must be saved from the human plague’, I could see a ‘conspiracy’ of some attempting to turn those who are ‘on the bubble’, so to speak.

            In a fictional environment.

            In the real world, not so much. But I’ll admit the seeming fetish for sexualizing children is pretty worrisome, and the normalization of sex for the 12-16 set doesn’t seem right to me. (And remembering my 12-18 years I’d have tapped pretty much anything that was offered. In retrospect, I’m rather glad nothing was offered, lol.)

          • JWH

            They made a movie about that.


          • Yeah, and nobody offered me an apple pie, either! Lol.

      • 914

        Of course this is a place predators would flock to live out their sick fantasy I suppose.

    • Plinytherecent

      It is as if no one remembers the not-so-distant Catholic priest molestation cases. Of course, the media concentrated on the fact that the offenders were Catholic, while ignoring the fact that they were also homosexual.

  • JWH

    I suspect that this change (or something like it) was inevitable.

  • UOG

    It sounds like the national organization plans on delegating authority to the local level, kind of like when the Congress or the President form a Blue-Ribbon Panel to tackle an issue that is a political hot potato (which is exactly what this issue is for the BSA). Shame on them for lacking a spine and accepting responsibly for their actions. If this is what they’re doing they’re a bunch of cowards, incapable of making a hard decision and accept responsibility for what they’ve done.

  • jim_m

    If it really is their decision then that’s fine. I only hope that it truly is what they want and that they are not caving in to outside pressure. If the membership wants it then they should be able to do whatever they want. It was the attempts by leftists to impose their own ideology on the BSA that was objectionable.

    • JWH

      I suspect there was both internal and external pressure at work. In addition to the obvious pressure from liberal groups, a number of organizations have withdrawn funding for local Boy Scout troops over the organization’s ban on gays. And of course, at least two members of the group’s board of directors said they would pressure their fellow board members to change the policy.

      And then there’s the local level. At least one Cub Scout pack in Maryland tried to go its own way, only for the national organization to snap it back in line. And who knows what the individual political opinions might be of individual Boy Scouts, parents, and Scout leaders?

      I know at least a couple adults involved with Scouting, (both of them on the left end of spectrum on gay rights, but with a commitment to Scouting that goes back to their own childhoods) and they mostly just wanted the issue to go away. They got involved with Scouting because they wanted to work with kids, not because they wanted to deal with the culture wars.

    • Wild_Willie

      JWH, you don’t get it. A ‘core’ or ‘belief’ that has been honored for a very long time should not change. You are of the opinion I guess that the Bill of Rights cannot be used as originally intended because our society views things differently. The left side of the political spectrum is a vacillating, gray, unsure bunch of spineless people, but some people have to do what is best for country. ww

      • JWH

        BSA has the right to exclude gays if it so chooses. I don’t dispute that, even if I think it’s the stupidest idea since New Coke and the XFL. Private organization, freedom of association, and all that jazz.

        But here’s what BSA’s leaders get, and what you don’t get. I’m under no obligation to support BSA. United Way is under no obligation to support BSA. Corporations that donate money to the national organization or to councils are under no obligation to do so. Which means that it can hew to its principles, or the organization can lose money, membership, and reputation because of an adherence to retrograde “principles.”

        Oh, and, by the way … If you think that keeping gays out of your clubhouse is “what is best for country,” then you seriously need to re-evaluate your priorities.

  • Wild_Willie

    Bad move. They won their suit. They have a moral code and now even the Boy Scouts is starting to waiver on the moral high ground. I should send my merit badges into them. ww

  • LiberalNightmare

    And thus ends the Boy Scouts of America.

  • 914

    Another sad day in America. Almost as sad as these Obama years..

  • GarandFan

    Should give a whole new meaning to the term “bed check” at night.

  • MichaelLaprarie

    I have to agree with jim_m on this one. If they are listening to their members and moving in the direction that their membership wants, then so be it.

    The ban has always been somewhat of a puzzle for me. Banning “gay scouts” is problematic, because the young’uns (Cub Scouts and Webelos) obviously aren’t ready to assume a sexual orientation. And if a teen-age Boy Scout decides to come out of the closet after years as a successful, achieving member of a Scout troop, it seems rather cruel to dump him at that point; after all, he’s still the same kid he always was.

    With regard to Scout leaders, you’d either have to be under the assumption that all gay men are pedophiles (about as defensible as the assumption that women can “shut down” pregnancies from “legitimate rape”) or be willing to ignore that in isolated cases, abuse already occurs, as Chico pointed out.

    I would agree that the BSA should keep itself free from LBGT activists and LBGT lifestyle evangelists. But the Girl Scouts have never had any kind of gay ban and their organization does not appear to have suffered negatively from this.

    • JWH

      As I understand it, the ban wasn’t on “gay Scouts,” per se, but on “openly gay Scouts.”

    • Brucehenry

      Well said.

  • Big mistake, that sends a thrill up Chris Mathews & BHO”S legs, disgusting!
    Unbelievable that our country has stooped this low. Sure enough the neighborhood has really gone down since the Obama’s moved unto the WH, what a shame!