John McCain’s Vietnam Vet Buddy

… strikes a blow for stupidity.

Kerry TraitorLet me be clear.  John Kerry committed treason when, as a member of the US Naval Reserve, he met with representatives of North Vietnam in Paris.  He should have been, and still should be, arrested and tried before a military tribunal and if found guilty he should be hung.  I’ll donate the rope.

Now that that is out of the way, our Secretary of State is on top of the Benghazi fiasco.  Keep in mind that the Congressional committee investigating what happened has never managed to get a straight answer from anybody in either the administration or at State.  In addition, somebody stashed the survivors of Benghazi somewhere and they’ve been “unavailable” since the attack and as former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said before a House Committee, “What difference will it make?”

Things may – we can hope – be changing on this front.  It’s been reported that at least some of the survivors are talking to the House committee.  No reports on what they’re saying but I’m betting our gun control President won’t be happy.

Dana Rohrabacher had the following chat with the Secretary, highlighting is mine.

REP. DANA ROHRABACHER (R-CA): Mr. Secretary, we think that there was a coverup of some kind of wrongdoing that led this administration to lie to the American people about the nature of the attack immediately after the attack and for a week after that attack. We need to have these questions answered. We need to talk to the people who are on the scene. Can you give us a commitment now that for this administration you will be coming up with the request, the honest request of this investigative committee as to who was evacuated and how to talk to them so we can get a straight answer and an understanding of what happened in Benghazi?

SECRETARY OF STATE JOHN KERRY: Well, before I became Secretary, Congressman, I believe I got the answers to who was evacuated and had a pretty good sense of what happened there. But now that I am the Secretary and I am responsible to you and the Congress, I can promise you that if you’re not getting something that you have evidence of or you think you ought to be getting, we’ll work with you. And I will appoint somebody to work directly with you starting tomorrow, with you, Mr. Chairman, to have a review of anything you don’t think you’ve gotten that you’re supposed to get. Let’s get this done with, folks.

ROHRABACHER: Thanks.

KERRY: Let’s figure out what it is that’s missing, if it’s legitimate or if it isn’t. I don’t think anybody lied to anybody. And let’s find out exactly, together, what happened, because we need — we got a lot more important things to move on to and get done. (House Foreign Affairs Committee, April 17, 2013)

Let’s move on, nothing to see here.

Four dead Americans, two of whom died so the 30 survivors could live, a President who got maybe a five minute briefing before heading off to dinner and a fund raising trip to Vegas and the administration won’t provide any answers let alone straight answers.  And now we’ve got this buffoon telling us we need to just move on.

I can’t wait to see who the Secretary appoints to work with Chairman Rohrabacher.  I really hope the committee can get to the bottom of this but I’m not particularly optimistic.  The most transparent administration ever is effective at one thing.  Covering their collective asses with the help of the media.  It may be the only thing they’re good at, but they’re the best.

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  • 914

    Go to jail Mr. long face! You are conspiring to cover up murder.

  • GarandFan

    Be nice to have a Sec State with SOME credibility.

    FYI – Kerry was given a BCD and kicked out of the Navy Reserve. Thanks to Jimmah Carter and his post-Vietnam pardons, Kerry’s BCD was reviewed by a court of Naval Officers and his discharge was elevated to a “General Discharge”.

    • M_Becker

      That’s why he went to Boston College Law School instead of Harvard or Yale. Harvard and Yale required a DD214 without regard to how he paid for school and BC did not. It’s also the reason he’s never released his military records.

    • Commander_Chico

      You know nothing. You can’t get a BCD unless there is a special or general court martial. Did they secretly court martial Kerry? Keep smoking that pipe.

      • GarandFan

        Sorry Cheeks, you are full of shit.

        On February 16, 1978, Kerry received an “Honorable Discharge from the
        U.S. Naval Reserve,” pursuant to former Section 1162 of Title 10 of the
        U.S. Code and “in accordance with the approved recommendations of a board of officers convened under the authority of [former] Section 1163 of Title 10 of the U.S. Code to examine the official records of officers of the Naval Reserve on inactive duty and determine whether they should be retained on the rolls of the Reserve Component or separated from the naval service pursuant to the Secretarial instructions promulgated in BUPERSMAN 3830300″

        You don’t normally get an “Honorable” discharge on the ‘recommendation of a board of officers”. He got white-washed in the Carter ‘pardons’.

        • Commander_Chico

          So what did he get and what did he end up with? Your first post said he got a BCD upgraded to General. Now he ended up with an Honorable.

          10 USC 1162 and 1163 in 1978 just referred to involuntary separation for reserve officers. They are not the sections for the Discharge Review Boards that upgrade discharges. Plenty of officers are involuntarily separated for below average performance or non-participation. Remember that officers serve for an indefinite period. If Kerry did not resign his commission, and did not affiliate with a Reserve program unit, he would have been kept on the rolls. After awhile, they just cull those officers who are doing nothing. Unless there is misconduct, they are by law entitled to an Honorable.

          The law is here: http://uscode.house.gov/uscode-cgi/fastweb.exe?getdoc+uscview+Code91+12418+0++%28%29%20%20AND%20%28%2810%29%20ADJ%20USC%29%3ACITE%20AND%20%28USC%20w%2F10%20%281163%29%29%3ACITE%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20

          Again, you know nothing. But keep smoking if it makes you feel good.

          • http://www.rustedsky.net JLawson

            My guess is that he likely got a General discharge, and petitioned to have it upgrafed to honorable. At this point, however, I don’t think it much matters.
            What matters is whether or not he can do his job. So far, he’s kind of … unimpressive in his competency.

          • GarandFan

            Yeah, yeah Cheeks. Keep covering for a fuck up. Kerry’s conduct was anything but “honorable”.

          • Jwb10001

            So tell us Chico, you think Kerry did the right thing? Do you think his actions were proper? Should he have gone to Paris and chatted with the enemy while in the Navy Reserves? If he didn’t get a UD or DD he sure as hell should have. When I went through basic training I seem to remember something about engaging the enemy in this fashion, I believe the UCoMJ calls it treason. But as usual you jump to defend some slimy democrat that is everything you rail about (except the chickenhawk nonsense) Given all your blather about your service I would think you’d have less then no use for this opportunist, basically trading on the disaster that was VM for his own personal gain. Just goes to show that your politics trumps everything else.

          • Commander_Chico

            Kerry volunteered for Vietnam. Not many of his social class did, most sought deferments or the National Guard like Cheney, Bush, Romney and Quayle. He did not spend much time there, but was wounded by mortar fire and saw some action. For whatever reason, he did not like it and left when he had the opportunity.

            Whether he was sincerely disgusted by what he saw and heard, or whether he was an opportunist, the fact remains that VN was a “disaster” as you say. Kerry did point this fact out, most powerfully in his Congressional testimony, “How do you ask a man to be the last to die for a mistake?”

            As far as the “treason,” I think it requires something like a formal declaration of war. Members of the reserves are generally not bound by military discipline when not on active duty. It’s also generally a First Amendment right for a free sovereign American to talk to whomever they want.

          • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

            Who knew gold diggers were a social class…

          • http://www.rustedsky.net JLawson

            He volunteered until he realized his precious patrician butt could possibly get hurt, at which point he gamed the system and got the hell out. Wouldn’t even take the chance the rest of his boat crew did of making it through the year-long assignment.

            Can’t say I much blame him – but it didn’t show much in the way of bravery or leadership.

            Which, of course, is completely unnecessary in a Presidential candidate any more, right?

          • Commander_Chico

            I am inclined to believe you, as an officer should want to stick it out with his crew. Then I remind myself I did not walk in his shoes. If he believed the war was futile, then logic would compel anyone to GTFO ASAP.

          • herddog505

            Like Benedict Arnold?

            I realize that the whole “chickenhawk” meme is one of your favorites, but really, it seems to me that a guy who heroically, courageously volunteers… and then runs like hell the moment it starts getting a little too hot for him (“Hey, I didn’t sign up for THIS!”) and THEN makes speeches about how all of his former comrades are a pack of murderers and rapists, is just a teensy bit worse that somebody who stayed home.

            Hey, maybe the “chickenhawks” didn’t NEED to go to Vietnam to know it was futile, a mistke, etc. Would that make any difference? Or do only democrats get to use that excuse?

            BTW, when is a war officially “futile”? Was it futile in ’52? How about ’42? 1862? 1777? When else in our history has “it’s FUTILE, man!” served as an excuse for cowardice?

          • http://www.rustedsky.net JLawson

            Regardless of his commissioning oath?

            For example…

            “I, [name], do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.”

            Or does that just apply until it’s inconvenient, or might get your butt hurt, at which point it’s fine to bail? He couldn’t have stuck it out for the year, “faithfully” discharging the duties of the office on which he was about to enter?

            Eh, whatever. I think we dodged a bullet when he didn’t get the Presidency.

      • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

        You know nothing.

        Cries our soi disant cognoscenti veteran…

  • herddog505

    It occurs to me:

    — The Hilldabeast, a former senator, asked, “What difference does it make?” about what happened in Benghazi;

    — Jeanfrancois (who, I have heard somewhere, served in Vietnam) tells the Senate that, when a member of that body, he had a “good sense of what happened [in Benghazi]“.

    We have two former senators basically telling us that this congressional investigation won’t matter.

    I suggest that they are right, NOT because there’s nothing to find out, but rather because, in the end, it won’t matter. I mean, what do we think / hope will happen? Nobody – certainly nobody of importance – will lose his job. Nobody will be demoted. The members of Congress will wave their fingers in the air, make impassioned speeches, accuse the other side of dishonesty and political stunts and partisanship and of “distractions”.

    In the end, it won’t make any difference.

    Kind of depressing, really.

    • Commander_Chico

      The State Department and CIA took risks and people got killed.

      This is going to be the price of diplomacy and espionage in a conflict zone on occasion.

      Not much different from military operations in war.

      • http://www.rustedsky.net JLawson

        There’s a difference between needful risk and needless risk. You should know that. Any military operation is going to try to minimize the needless risks and anticipate and protect against possible problems. (Which is why there’s so much emphasis on CWD gear, after all.)

        Refusing to add staff in a dangerous environment is a needless risk, IMHO. Tells your people that you are indeed quite expendable, and not worth the expense to keep alive.

  • azwi

    John Kerry is a real hero, where McCain’s military career has become quite questionable and controversial after conflicting eyewitness reports

    http://rt.com/news/prime-time/vietnamese-dispute-mccain-torture-claim/

    • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

      There were other witnesses to what the Vietnamese claim did not happen. Just as there were other witnesses who dispute Lurch’s claims.

  • azwi

    Kerry is a “real” American hero unlike McCain!

    http://rt.com/news/prime-time/vietnamese-dispute-mccain-torture-claim/

    • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

      Talk out your ass much?

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