HomeTrayvon MartinJury Finds George Zimmerman Not Guilty In Trayvon Martin Case Jury Finds George Zimmerman Not Guilty In Trayvon Martin Case Kevin July 13, 2013 Trayvon Martin 191 Comments A jury of six women found George Zimmerman not guilty of second degree murder and manslaughter in the death of Trayvon Martin. Discuss… It's Not Over. George Soros Funding 'Nonpartisan' Attackers of Kansas Gov. Brownback Share this:FacebookTwitterRedditEmailMoreLinkedInPinterestPrintTumblrPocketGoogle Related Posts Common sense on the MSNBC 911 recording voice experts “I wonder if justice is even possible for George Zimmerman” “Widespread system failure here — and a deplorable absence of truth” About The Author Kevin Kevin founded Wizbang in 2003. He still contributes occasionally and handles all the technical and design work for the site. JLawson The facts supported his claim of self defense, and didn’t support the prosecution’s charge of murder. Not much more to say than that… Commander_Chico That is about it, the facts definitely did not support murder, and manslaughter would have been a stretch based on some recklessness theory. Still, I’m glad Zim spent a few months in jail. He’s morally culpable for being a meddlesome wannabe loser fucking with people. Also, acting like a homo stalker of a teenage boy. If he wasn’t a soft pussy he could have fought back with fists instead of pulling his gun. jim_m Yeah, because no one could ever get the better of Chico in a fist fight. Tell you what. If you’re on your back getting your head pounded against the concrete and your nose broken I’ll bet you pull the trigger too. Or better yet, if that happens, promise that you will be the man you just said you are and let the thug kill you. Commander_Chico I don’t provoke teenage males or others by following them down alleys like a creep. I don’t think I can get out situations of my own making because I have a gun and can shoot them after I provoke them. jim_m The jury seems to have determined that there was no provocation by Zimmerman so you’re talking out your ass again. Paul Hooson No, I don’t think that the jury ever decided that issue. They only decided that Zimmerman’s actions didn’t rise to the level or murder or manslaughter beyond a reasonable doubt, partially because of a lack of eye witness testimony, where Zimmernan’s account was mostly the only actual account of the events other than only noises like shouting, screaming or gunshots heard by others. jim_m Wrong. Had the jury decided that Zimmerman provoked the attack then his self-defense defense would not have held up. If he provoked the attack then he would have been ultimately guilty of initiating the assault and his self-defense claim would not be accepted. The difference is that you are denying the claims of the one eyewitness to the event (Zimmerman), denying the corroborating claims of people who were partial witnesses and accepting the claims of race merchants, many of whom were not even in the state of Florida at the time. Rodney G. Graves Every time he gets in front of a keyboard… Rodney G. Graves Damn liars will perpetuate damn lies… Jwb10001 You’ve gotten so much wrong on this story it’s probably past time you stopped talking about it. You don’t have the first clue what actually happened and every single time you post something it becomes more and more clear. As the wise man said “better to shut up and appear stupid than open your mouth and remove all doubt.” Rodney G. Graves Your wisdom is wasted on the soi disant cognoscente. Wild_Willie Some people just don’t get what a neighborhood WATCH program is. It is in it’s name Chico. ww GarandFan So pathways through a condo complex are now “alleys”? jim_m The only way the left can sustain this argument is by lying about the facts so they are proceeding to do just that. LiberalNightmare Too bad Trayvon didnt rape Martin, in that event provacation wouldnt matter and we could just have a slut-walk to solve the problem. JLawson You did notice your comment was self-contradictory, right? If ‘manslaughter would have been a stretch based on some recklessness theory’ then it follows Zimmerman wasn’t ‘acting like a homo stalker of a teenage boy’. From what I’ve seen, from the evidence presented by both the prosecution and the defense, Zimmerman didn’t do anything wrong by calling the police and was headed back to his truck after finding a street sign (as requested by the police, I think, for a street address) – when Martin confronted him. Lot of things could have gone differently that night – Zimmerman could have decided to not become involved, Martin could have – once he got safely away from Zimmerman in the first place – stayed at his dad’s girlfriends’ place. And as others have pointed out – I think if Zimmerman’s name had been a Garcia or Chico, this would never have come to court. jim_m I suspect that for Chico, guilt and innocence in this case are simply a matter of race. Martin was black so he is a saint. Zimmerman was decided by the left to be white and therefore he is guilty. It is rather like the Duke Lacrosse case where the left declared that the boys needed to be found guilty for what they claimed were society’s interests and not because there was any evidence of a crime. Commander_Chico People are free to be creepy homo stalkers, up to the point of touching someone or trespassing on private property. They’re also free to call people names – and if you punch them, you’re at fault. Zimmerman wasn’t much different from this guy: http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/man-knocked-unconscious-cracks-skull-racial-slur-article-1.1397834#ixzz2YvhYa7QR An unidentified man was hospitalized with a massive head injury Friday following an apparent bias-fueled attack in the West Village, witnesses and officials said. Witnesses on Greenwich Ave. near W. 12th St. said the white man — who cops said is in his 30s — was belting back beers outside Benny’s Burritos about 5:30 p.m. when he began mouthing off to a black customer in the outdoor seating area. “You n—–s are why I lost my job,” witnesses overheard the man say. You can’t punch people for calling you a nigger, but if you are punched after calling someone nigger, spic, whore, etc., there is a sense that you brought it on yourself jim_m Again, the leftist brings in issues that have nothing to do with this case and demands that Zimmerman be convicted because other people are bigots and society needs to convict someone. Jwb10001 Plus he takes the opportunity to use the N word, that posting was not only stupid it was offensive. The use of the N word was gratuitous at best and most likely intentionally offensive. Commander_Chico Nothing is funnier than a so-called “conservative” hewing to political correctness. No word is off-limits to a free man. The word nigger exists, only a pussy says things like “the N word.” Quoting the word that others use is not the same thing as calling someone a nigger. Shit, if the late great Cleavon Little could say nigger in the very funny Blazing Saddles, I can say it. LiberalNightmare << Nothing is funnier than a so-called "conservative" hewing to political correctness. << I disagree, its much funnier to watch a liberal try to defend himself when his own PC hypocrisy is pointed out. jim_m They’re your lefty rules. You live with them. You’d call any one of us a bigot if we used the term and so would your lick-spittle Bruce. Rodney G. Graves Of course you can, you’re a racist. Jwb10001 Oh so now I’m a pussy am I? You’re funny you think your little name calling is cute? The N word (yes the N word) is OFFENSIVE period there is no good reason to use it in this context but you go ahead and be a jack ass it’s what you do best. EricSteel Go make that same argument on DKos, DU or TalkLeft and tell me how it goes. Jwb10001 You see an intelligent person knows when something is funny and appropriate even if irreverent, you obviously don’t have that same level of intelligence or developed sense of humor. Therefore should refrain from being a complete jack ass by using terms that in some context can be quite offensive. But hey, like I said go ahead and be a jack ass it’s what you do best. I’m sure you mum is proud. Cleavon was funny, you’re just not. EricSteel You can’t punch people for following you, but if you are shot after assaulting and beating someone then there is a sense that you brought it on yourself. stan25 Zimmerman did not spend a few months in jail as you say. He posted a bond twice, because the first one was revoked by the judge on some flimsy assed technicality and yes, political pressure . A condition of that bond was that he had to wear an ankle bracelet and stay in his home. LiberalNightmare >>If he wasn’t a soft pussy he could have fought back with fists instead of pulling his gun. So basically, anyone who cant beat a 17 yr old gangbanger in a fist fight should just stay home at night. Commander_Chico No, shouldn’t follow a 17 yo gangbanger like you wanted to blow him or something. LiberalNightmare So now you hate gay people? Or just white hispanics? Jwb10001 No Chico thinks he’s edgy and cool when in reality he’s stupid and offensive. The mask has been pealed away, he’s clearly a racist and a homophobe. Not to mention thinks he’s funny when he’s really just pathetic. Jwb10001 So in Chico’s justice system soft pussies don’t get to defend themselves and if Chico doesn’t like you he’ll have you spend a few months in jail just for being a soft pussy trying to defend yourself. Is that the Gary Johnson view of criminal justice or are you a little off the reservation there? Rodney G. Graves It was Colonel Colt made all men equal. Paul Hooson Right on. I agree fully here.- He was just a psychiatric case with a gun who made 47 pages of 911 calls since living in this gated community. A retard playing cop. Jwb10001 You really should just stop with the nastiness it makes you sound petty and childish. Calling people retarded is grade school bully crap. You simply want this guy to be the bad guy you’ve concocted in your head. Argue the points of fact if you can, argue the time line, if you can, but stop with the pettiness….. if you can. warnertoddhuston A proper verdict. I have been asking all along in what way is it illegal to defend yourself after being beaten to a pulp? Martin got what was coming to him on that level. JLawson I’ve got to wonder if the prominent use of a gun in self defense here didn’t figure into that. If you can convict someone of murder because they used a gun in self-defense, you’re setting a precedent that might – MIGHT – be useful later on when you’re pushing a ban on firearms… because you’re effectively making the legal use of one to protect yourself illegal. sshiell The Florida legal system worked in spite of the politics of race. Now watch the Feds screw it up by charging Zimmerman with violating martin’s Civil Rights!!! jim_m NAACP is already asking Holder’s DOJ to do just that. They will take this to the Federal 11th District Court in Atlanta where they will try to get an all black jury. Guarantee that this happens in time to get the Black vote out in 2014. JLawson Of course, if that happens it’s going to be difficult to keep Martin’s image as a blameless, stainless little angel intact. They really might want to reconsider that. yetanotherjohn What skin in the game does the prosecutors have? In Texas, we get to vote them out of office at the next election. Florida doesn’t seem to have that. Absent the election check and balance (which isn’t that good given it has to be very egregious and played up by the media to cost an election), I think there are a couple of possibilities. 1) Have a review committee that looks at the cases, determines if there was prosecutorial overreach or misconduct and appropriately sanction the attorney. Being fined or disbarred would make a prosecutor think twice about pursuing a weak case. 2) Make the state pay for a prosecution that results in a not guilty. Especially if the prosecutors bonuses was tied to the amount the state had to pay out. The bigger problem is prosecutors throwing everything but the kitchen sink, hope something sticks long enough to get a plea bargain. So perhaps the above should be also applied to the prosecuting attorneys who file charges that are dropped. Filing charges that can’t pass review should have a similar potential for sanctions and/or reimbursing the defense team. This would also make the chance of the truly innocent citizen being able to get a good defense attorney to work on contingency. Right now, winning a criminal defense can hurt even a well off citizen and most couldn’t mount an effective defense no matter how innocent they are. In Obama’s America where the power of the government will be used to suppress those they dislike politically, additional checks and balances on the prosecuting attorneys makes sense. Paul Hooson I guess the big difference here is that if I walked through George Zimmerman’s neighborhood and this self-appointed security guard asshole-type dumbshit guy started a fight with me just because I look like a controversial biker, possible MC gang type, with no probable cause that I did anything wrong, I would have beaten the holy shit out of him so bad that he wouldn’t have been able to pull his gun in the first place. Zimmerman is a retard who thought some kid looked controversial, followed him against the will of a 911 operator who dispatched a police car simply to check on Martin, but instead Zimmerman refused to wait for the police, and acted alone with no self defense training, nor police training, started an argument with the kid, that led to a fight that Zimmerman was losing, so Zimmerman kills the kid. Case closed. – The gun gave Zimmerman just enough gun guts to get himself into trouble here, a dangerous thing for a dumbshit. – Gun guts is never good. I’ve never had a gun stuck in my face before. But, I’ve had knives pointed at my face three times in my life. It didn’t phase me. I knew a coward pulled a knife because they couldn’t fight and I stood up to these guys all three times. Zimmerman isn’t a bad man. Just a retard without the good judgement to know when to use a gun or not. And the time not to use a gun is when some teenager is just walking home from 7-11. That’s just bullshit! cirby …except, in Martin’s case, all Zimmerman did was look at Martin. From a distance. Which annoyed Martin so much he decided to beat Zimmerman to a pulp. All of the evidence presented in the trial completely disagrees with your fantasy scenario as you describe it. I know you (and other dim people) really NEED reality to have been something different, but the basic story is “Martin was a teenage thug in training who decided to take his anger out on a short fat guy, and forgot to check to see if his target was armed.” Rodney G. Graves Thug got plugged. EricSteel Paul, did you even see the evidence? The dispatcher told Zimmerman to stop following and Zimmerman did just that and loitered at the top of the T intersection waiting for the police. Trayvon Martin approached Zimmerman and attacked him. Rachel Jeantel testified that Trayvon said he was in the back yard of his father’s girlfriend’s house. Several MINUTES later the fight occurs 450 feet away, that is 1 1/2 football fields, back in the direction he came from. Go to 4:17 and listen for at least a minute or two. http://tinyurl.com/pbybd3g Go look at a map of the complex, http://tinyurl.com/l7x4rlx . The only explanation that fits why the fight started where it did is that George Zimmerman was no longer following, Trayvon Martin doubled back from the safety of his house and attacked Zimmerman. Zimmerman used his gun because TM cold cocked him, beat him up ultimately sat on his chest and beat Zimmerman’s head against cement for 40 seconds. Hit your head against a cement sidewalk for 40 seconds and tell me what exactly you would do differently with a guy sitting on your chest. Trayvon Martin, was not some innocent child. Go look at the stuff from his phone that the judge excluded. There are numerous text messages that talk about fighting, buying and selling guns, buying and manufacturing drugs. He was also kicked out of school because they found an improvised burglary tool and jewelry in his backpack. JLawson Paul – from everything presented by both the prosecution and the defense, the scenario you described didn’t happen. Martin seems to have been a nasty character in the first place – and he may well have been looking for an ‘easy’ kill to boost his street cred. He was home-free and safe, as Eric said – and then went back out looking for trouble. I think, judging from what I’ve seen of the evidence presented, that Zimmerman used his pistol as a last resort. And all things considered, I don’t want things to get to a point where the last resort of self defense can’t be used because you’ll be charged for murder if you protect yourself from someone trying to kill you and kill them in the process. Paul Hooson Everyone here want to know how George Zimmerman could have been a real gentleman or a hero? He could have simply been as intelligent as other men in his gated community and could have stayed home and watched TV that evening. And guess what, some teenager who took a short cut through a gated neighborhood simply to go to 7-11 to buy Skittles and a Arizona Tea would still be alive today. Wow, just that simple! No fight, no confrontation, no dead body… Gated communities aren’t any magnet for crime. People live in them because they’re safe. Yet, one of the most stupid men in the whole gated community decided that he wanted to play cop for the whole community. It’s like a 4 year old mentality at work here, some grown man playing policeman, with no training, just playing policeman. That’s it. Zimmerman was well known for making constant calls to 911. Local police have a 47 page history log of 911 calls that Zimmerman has made, most of which proved to be absolutely nothing with few examples of any crime actually committed. Look at that picture of Zimmerman above. He’s a retard who wanted to play cop, without good judgement. And look at the final result. Zimmerman’s defense lawyers didn’t even want him to take the stand because he’s such a dumbshit. His lawyers went to college and are a lot smarter than this guy ever will be. So what did men more intelligent than George Zimmerman do that same evening that was better than George Zimmerman’s actions? Things like stay home and watch TV in the same community, and not cause a disturbance outside that resulted in a fight and a dead body… I’ll hire security for that $1.9 million dollar nightclub I’m buying. But, I’ll hire someone intelligent to prevent problems, not cause them like a dumbshit like a George Zimmerman. Finally, about the juror’s verdict. Under Florida law they probably arrived at the only verdict they could because of the high standard of reasonable doubt in that state. This standard is so high enough that Casey Anthony was also acquitted of most charges in the murder of her young daughter, except lying to police, under the same standards of law in Florida. In most other states, probably both Casey Anthony as well as George Zimmerman would be in prison now. jim_m the high standard of reasonable doubt in that state Is the same as in every other state. In most other states Zimmerman would never have been charged. You’re just ignorant. Paul Hooson I was speaking in regards to Florida’s recent history of letting high profile cases go. – Certainly all states have high profile cases where bad people go free due to a high standard of beyond reasonable doubt. – My brother was the key witness in a murder for hire case where a used car dealer that he did body work for tried to bribe him with a Corvette and cash to murder his wife, and my brother refused, and a few days later, her body was found floating in the river, when someone apparently else apparently agreed to the contract murder instead. My brother was trying to be a good citizen here. Even in a civil trial, a jury was unable to convict the car dealer for the murder of the wife who wanted to divorce him and take half of everything. – My brother is no saint. He’s served years in prison for a plea deal related to a number of crimes that will make you shudder. But, today he’s a reformed man. He wears Hawaiian shirts everyday which is an old gangster message that says, “I”m a retired criminal”. So you see some guy in a Hawaiian shirt these days, he just might be trying to say that he’s either a retired and reformed criminal or mobster. And my brother was appalled that some guy could pay for a hit on his wife, where her body washes up from the river, and gets away with it. She had kids and relatives that loved her. – But, once again reasonable doubt kept this car dealer from ever facing even a civil lawsuit here, despite a dead body evidence. The police detectives who spent years on this case were pretty disappointed. They felt like my brother did all that he could to put a bad guy away for murder, but years of best efforts could not withstand reasonable doubt standards here. – This story has been featured on MSNBC before. Jwb10001 Man you really don’t like this guy, what did he do shoot your dog? Do you know Zimmerman personally? Have you ever talked to him or are you just profiling him based on his appearance (Look at the picture, he’s a retard that wanted to play cop) Pretty nasty stuff there Paul. Paul Hooson Over the years in business, I’ve had a few customers exactly like Zimmerman who have walked through the door. They’re some guy who has a “playing cop” fantasy, with lots of badges, maybe even some uniforms, maybe a few weapons, who aren’t all there mentally, either mentally ill or just retards. It was more sad than anything. – But, other hand I’ve had a number of real and actual policemen as customers, and they’re entirely different, smart, good judgement, the kind of people who are part social worker, part public protector, who make the right judgement calls. They know I respect them and they respect me as well. We had mutual trust and respect. I would tip them off to some crime observations I knew off such as a drug house dealing in heroin where a lot of car prowls and burglaries were resulting. And the police said, “Wow”, that I was real observant to something they were totally missing that was the cause of a huge number of crimes in the neighborhood. Certainly, Martin was kind of a punk. His parents both knew he wasn’t perfect, and that was a big issue between them where “here you take care of this kid, I need a break from him” stuff. – But, Zimmerman didn’t need to provoke this kid just walking home from the 7-11 into a full blown crisis here. I don’t really dislike Zimmerman. But, I know his psychology. And he created a crisis where there didn’t need to be one that night. BTW, I do respect all of my friends here as well. The big issue I have is that many of my friends here just don’t seem to see where Zimmerman’s goofy psychology caused him to create a real crisis here. The police have a 47 page log of all of the 911 calls that Zimmerman has made since living in this gated community, most of which didn’t amount to anything at all. Zimmerman needs psychiatric help much more than anything. I sure hope all of this sends the message to him that he needs to let everyone else share responsibility for looking after their own gated community. You can’t leave this up to a crackpot like this. Call real police if something bad is actually going down, don’t let the neighborhood crackpot get involved. Jwb10001 Seriously Paul how can you know anything about Zimmerman? The media hid every single positive thing this guy ever did while playing up the very stereotype you’ve just plugged Zimmerman into. You know his type? How so you don’t know him, it’s very unfair to judge people the way you’ve judged him. EricSteel Profiling people is bad, unless you are talking about retarded wannabe cops. LiberalNightmare I get it now, Zimmerman is wrong because he provoked Martin into sitting on his chest and repeatedly banging Zimmerman’s skull into the pavement. EricSteel The police have a 47 page log of all of the 911 calls that Zimmerman has made since living in this gated community, most of which didn’t amount to anything at all. Does that include the 8 burgleries in the community? Does that the home invasion of Olivia Bertalan 6 months prior to the shooting? Again, it is obvious that you didn’t actually watch any of the trial. The prosecution tried going with the wannabe cop angle. Except when Zimmerman was offered by the Sanford police the opprtunity to have an official job as a sorta-cop with a uniform, and a patrol car, he turned it down. Call real police if something bad is actually going down… Did you forget that Zimmerman was on the phone with the police? Did you forget that when Zimmerman said that TM took off running that the dispatcher asked which way? Zimmerman thought that meant to follow. When the dispatcher told him not to follow, he said “ok”. 4 minutes later the fight starts. Plenty of time for Trayvon Martin to get home. As I pointed out earlier Rachel Jeantel testified that TM was by his house. Why then did the fight start 450 feet away? For all of your pseudo psychology you forget to assign any blame whatsoever to Trayvon Martin. Last time I looked following somebody is not a crime, but assault and battery is. If Trayvon Martin had decided not to be a wannabe gangster and gone home he would be alive today. LiberalNightmare You guys are in such a high degree of denial about this case. Its almost as if you purposefully avoided learning any of the actual facts. EricSteel Everything that guy just said is bullshit… LiberalNightmare >> Zimmerman was well known for making constant calls to 911. Local police have a 47 page history log of 911 calls that Zimmerman has made, most of which proved to be absolutely nothing with few examples of any crime actually committed. Look at that picture of Zimmerman above. He’s a retard who wanted to play cop, without good judgement. And look at the final result. << Zimmerman was in the neighborhood watch. Would you like to live in a neighborhood where the neighborhood watch isn't allowed to call the police? Paul Hooson Someone with better judgement should have been handling the neighborhood watch duties, not this screwball. You should go Online and see some of the log of silly 911 calls that Zimmerman has made. 911 is an emergency line for emergency situations. Some folks have probably died of heart attacks at home when relatives had to wait their turn to get an operator while Zimmerman called 911 to report that some kid is walking home from 7-11. “Yeah, I think he bought skittles and an Arizona tea. I think I better grab my gun and go after him”, type of stuff. Gee wiz. jim_m I see. So what you just said is that anyone who is not omniscient and cannot divine the thoughts, motivations and past acts of everyone they see is not qualified to be a neighborhood watch person. Where Martin had been is irrelevant and the fact of what he had in the bag is irrelevant since the rest of us mortals lack the x-ray vision that you apparently have. And if one call is overloading the 9111 system, then they need to learn about multiline phones. I suspect that there was not a problem otherwise the police would have told Zimmerman to stop calling. Period. Once again we see that you are just making shit up to satisfy what is ultimately a racially motivate hate created by the left and the media. Paul Hooson No, Zimmerman had a long history of calling 911, an emergency line, for emergency situations only, for people just walking through the neighborhood, some of which turned out to merely be someone visiting someone living in the gated community, or others just taking a shortcut through the neighborhood to go to the 7-11 on the other side. The 7-11 there mostly serves the gated community, but other people know it’s there, so they sometimes walk through that neighborhood to use that store rather than walk the long way around. Look at a map of the area some time. You’ll see what I mean. jim_m None of that is relevant. Zimmerman went back to his car. Martin followed him there. That is the testimony. It doesn’t matter how many times Zimmerman called 911 except to prove that he wasn’t being a racist he was just being an obnoxious neighborhood watch person. Small minded people like you are distracted by these irrelevant issues and think that they mean something. I’ll bet that Martin had no idea that Zimmerman called the cops. It certainly was not relevant to him if he didn’t know it and if he did know it then his actions demonstrate that irrelevance. What matters is that the testimony and evidence say that Zimmerman went back to his car, Martin followed him and instigated a confrontation. Zimmerman got out of the car (a mistake there) and the fight ensued. What Zimmerman did as a neighborhood watch captain makes no difference in these events. Nor does it make any difference in the injuries that Martin inflicted upon Zimmerman. What does matter is that there was a fight and Zimmerman did suffer injuries and feeling in danger of serious injury or death he shot Martin. Based on the important stuff and not the make believe shit you believe in the jury acquitted Zimmerman. And that is the only thing that matters. There are few legal authorities who are claiming that the prosecution screwed up their case. There are loads of them saying that this case never should have been tried. Jwb10001 No what Paul means is that he can tell by looking that Zimmerman is a retard police wanna be with bad judgement. See that’s all it takes for him to know all about a person, oh that and the constant misrepresentation in the press. Paul Hooson What no mentions here is that Trayvon Martin had no previous juvenile record, but some school suspension problems, while George Zimmerman was once arrested for assaulting a police officer and resisting arrest, but had the charges reduced by a judge on the condition that he enter an alcohol abuse diversion program. Zimmerman also assaulted a woman during a party in which he was hired to be a security guard as well as fired from another security guard job because of his performance behavior. The only guy here with a history of arrests and assaults….George Zimmerman! Gee, despite all of the anti-illegal immigration stories run over the years here at Wizbang, where many guys here want to send back so many honest and hard working people, but some guys here at Wizbang have now found the first Hispanic guy they actually love, a guy with a history of arrests for assault, job performance problems and an arrest for murder they embrace as their favorite Hispanic poster boy. Will wonders never cease! Suddenly George Zimmerman finds himself elevated to sainthood here, a man suddenly able to walk on water and perform great miracles, a man who’s whole life of being a cowardly bully screwball policeman wannabe is suddenly whitewashed away for the sake of elevation to sainthood by a few true believers. Praise the Lord! Jwb10001 What the hell is wrong with you? Now we all hate hispanics and want to send them back to mexico all of them except this guy. Are you high? Elevated to sainthood, because someone challenges your use of the word retard? Damn Paul give it a rest you’re becoming unhinged. Paul Hooson I’m making fun of the wacky opinions I’m hearing here. Most of which could be entered for comedy value in that funny caption contest Kevin runs here. – Psychologically, I see some 2nd Amendment type believers embrace Zimmerman as their poster boy, because they think that he represents some sort of vindication for their views in some strange way, that I fail to understand. – I suppose some guys can’t fight very well, if they needed to, so they admire some kook with a criminal record carrying a gun. But, that’s just what this gated community really needed, some kook with a criminal record for assault, protecting them from themselves. That’s the guy you want right there. Questions also remain whether George Zimmerman’s dad who was a retired judge helped his son get out of th his 2005 assault arrest on lesser charges because of his pull in the system. There’s your innocent victim of a passerby assault right there just seeking to defend himself with a gun from customers of a 7-11 store. Everyone knows how rough those 7-11 customers are, right? LiberalNightmare The only opinions here are yours. You have repeatedly posted BS information as the basis for your own opinions when a simple google search would be enough to prove you wrong. You and the rest of the “Trayvon was killed for skittles” crowd are actively ignoring the facts. Paul Hooson I personally think that both of them were shitty guys. But, one shouldn’t have killed the other. You don’t escalate fights to killing someone. LiberalNightmare Really? You just lay there and let them kill you? jim_m Both he and Chico are such manly men that fixing Martin with a hard stare would have been sufficient to send him screaming into the night. Commander_Chico There was no reason to “fix” Martin. He wasn’t doing anything wrong. jim_m Speak English much? It’s an expression dumbass. JLawson Until he got Zimmerman down on the ground, and started pounding his head against the concrete. At that point – he was doing something wrong. Rodney G. Graves He was doing wrong when he first laid hand on Zimmerman. jim_m Everyone knows how rough those 7-11 customers are, right? Oddly enough very few of them have broken my nose and bounced my head off the concrete. Why is it that Martin is some saint to you? I mean OTHER than his skin color? Why is it that Maritn’s assault is OK? If he had not been shot he’d have been arrested for assault. Would you be protesting his innocence then? Or is he innocent by reason of race like Mumia? Fact is that no one would care about this if the people were of the same race. Only because they initially characterized Zimmerman as white did this become an issue. The fact also is that yesterday there were 8 black on black shootings in Chicago. No one gives a damn about any of those. Jwb10001 Whatever, you want to continue to act like an idiot go ahead, knock yourself out. Jwb10001 You post all the non sense you’ve posted today and YOU”RE making fun of the whacky opinions? Can’t make this stuff up…. Rodney G. Graves Been unhinged for some time now… LiberalNightmare I dont think that you get to call racism on this one, the left invented the term “white hispanic” not us. Arent cries of racism the first sign that a liberal knows that hes losing an argument? LiberalNightmare In regards to Trayvon Martins history I give you this – Trayvon suspended THREE times for ‘drugs, truancy, graffiti and carrying burglary tool’ and did he attack bus driver too? New picture emerges of victim as parents claim it’s all a smear Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2120504/Trayvon-Martin-case-He-suspended-times-caught-burglary-tool.html#ixzz2Z2QdK3wU Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2120504/Trayvon-Martin-case-He-suspended-times-caught-burglary-tool.html Trayvon was hardly an angel, once again your posting with your feeling when you should be using google. Paul Hooson Probably two shitty guys got on a collision course with each other here is my gut feeling. I don’t really like either guy very much. – I just feel that one guy ending up dead is a terrible conclusion to all this here…Trayvon Martin should have been allowed to grow up, get arrested as an adult for something or other, then straighten up and have a family and a life. Zimmerman didn’t have the right to take that life away. You hold back in a fight. You don’t try to murder. You punish the guy with a few blows and call it a day and let him nurse a broken nose or black eye and think it over. jim_m You talk as if Zimmerman deliberately pt that bullet through Martin’s heart. I doubt that given the circumstances there was any awareness of where the gun was aimed other than at Martin’s body. Zimmerman was also using a short barreled 9mm. Not a terribly accurate gun nor is it terribly powerful. It is meant for personal self defense at close range. Your assertion that Zimmerman deliberately killed Martin is not in evidence. Also, your assertion that Zimmerman could have otherwise resisted Martin when Martin was on top of him and beating his head on the sidewalk is not supported either. LiberalNightmare You dont slam someones head into the pavement over and over again either. Paul Hooson That fact elevated Zimmerman’s defense. But, the two shouldn’t have started fighting in the first place. No one came outside to break the two up in time, where both should have been arrested an assault charges and a jury make sense of it all. LiberalNightmare Shoulda, woulda, coulda. The fact is Martin was killed because he decided to beat someone to death and got shot for his trouble. The Justice for Trayvon crowd has never been able to argue their way past the facts, and that’s why they, and you choose to ignore the facts. instead concentrating on hoodies, skittles and BS theorys about self defense laws. Too bad no one bothered to tell Zimmerman that his job in this story was to lay down and die. Rodney G. Graves Travon got the justice he deserved right then, right there. EricSteel You say that the TWO shouldn’t have started the fight. Before you go consider and answer these questions 1) What if only one person started the fight? 2) I repeat, Rachel Jeantel testified that Trayvon Martin told her that he was heading straight home and at one point was in back of his father’s house. At that same time Zimmerman is telling the NEN dispatcher that he has lost sight of Martin at the T-Intersection, and that he is going to look for an address where he can meet the police. ALL of the forensic evidence shows that the confrontation started at the T-intersection several minutes later. The T-intersection is 450 feet from the house where Trayvon was staying. How did they both get back to the top of the T-intersection for the fight to start? The only explanation I can come up with is that George Zimmerman never left the T-intersection and Trayvon Martin doubled back. Even RJ testified that the confrontation occurs several minutes AFTER TM said he was in back of his father’s house. That gives him time to travel back to the top of the T-intersection. Can you give me another explanation that fits RJ’s testimony, the time difference and the distance? 3) If Trayvon Martin doubled back, doesn’t that make him the pursuer and the one most likely to start the fight? In any event how is Trayvon Martin at all justified in assaulting and battering George Zimmerman for the non-crime of following? 4) Generally speaking. In your opinion, is it possible or impossible that a person could be seriously or fatally wounded by getting their head beaten against a concrete sidewalk? 5) The testimony of eye witness John Good and the forensic evidence shows that Trayvon Martin was sitting on George Zimmerman’s chest, hitting his head against the concrete sidewalk “MMA style” “ground and pound” for 40 seconds. In that position is it reasonable to believe that Zimmerman had limited options to escape, defend himself or fight back? 6) With George Zimmerman on the ground unable to escape, getting his head pounded into concrete and nobody coming to his aid, do you think George Zimmerman is still unjustified in defending himself with the only thing he had available to him? LiberalNightmare There you go, trying to ruin the argument with facts. JLawson Takes two to fight – but only one to attack. JLawson I don’t think Martin would have lasted long enough to straighten up… “You hold back in a fight. You don’t try to murder. You punish the guy with a few blows and call it a day and let him nurse a broken nose or black eye and think it over.” Do you think Martin would have held back? EricSteel Trayvon Martin was suspended because he had a huge screwdriver and women’s jewelry in his backpack. On his cellphone of 17 year old Trayvon Martin were pictures of him holding a handgun. There were text messages of him discussing buying and selling hand guns. There were text messages of him buying, selling, and manufacturing drugs. There were text messages and pictures of Trayvon Martin involved in street fighting. Rodney G. Graves Is he looking at Zimmerman or his reflection in the mirror? LiberalNightmare In fact, the Sanford Police dept felt that Zimmerman was a “professional person who wanted to make a change in his community” and tried to recruit him for a citizens patrol program. http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2013/06/25/zimmerman-trial-trayvon-neighborhood-watch/2455163/ Seems like the Sanford PD was comfortable with Zimmermans judgement. Paul Hooson I’m done stating opinions here on this. – I’m working on a business deal to buy a $1.9 million dollar strip club, the largest in Oregon, and if anything this Zimmerman case only tells me to look at the mental health very carefully of anyone I hire to work security at my club. I don’t want fights or worse there. – I just want a peaceful big business that grosses about two million dollars a year that keeps me in nice motorcycles and good times with a girlfriend. I don’t think that’s too much to ask from life…. Scalia Very disingenuous of you, Paul. You were provided with the facts of the case several times in this thread, and your only replies have been to heap scorn on Zimmerman while dodging what really happened that night (according to the evidence and the testimony at trial). Do you really have that much of a problem admitting an error? You don’t want a security person like Zimmerman? I wouldn’t want a boss like you. Rodney G. Graves Justice served twice. Hot and immediate in February of 2012. Deliberate in July of 2013. George Zimmerman, Gentleman at Arms. jim_m More than twice. The local police knew there was no case and they did not bring charges. The obama DOJ stepped in and spent thousands fomenting racial unrest and leaned on the prosecutor’s office to bring charges. The prosecutor’s office conducted a case rife with malfeasance, withholding evidence and surprise motions like the 3rd degree murder request. It’s no surprise here that the case never went before a grand jury (the one part of the 5th amendment the left does not want) because they never would have gotten a charge. And finally, there is a great deal of truth to the claim that if his name had simply been Gonzalez, that Zimmerman would never have been charged. This story would never have reached a single newspaper or TV channel. But the fact that the shooter had a white sounding name (even worse the surname is Jewish!!!) The story became that he was a white man who murdered a black kid. Never mind that Zimmerman is hispanic and looks very much so. The left decided that he was white and therefore a racist (by definition of being white) and had shot Martin out of racial hate. This was never about the facts of the case because had it been there would never have been any charges. This was always about stoking racial resentment by the racialist obama White House. All I have to say is Kudos to the black community for not succumbing to the race merchants and not rioting as the race merchants and obama had hoped they would. Scalia The Left is still trying to milk the Zimmerman-is-white angle. The linked article calls Zimmerman “white and Hispanic” whereas the same article refers to Obama as “the first black U.S. president.” Why isn’t Obama the “first white-black U.S. president”? Simply pathetic. Par4Course The Sanford police did their job and determined this was self-defense. Then the race-baiters and POTUS got involved. The police chief was fired and the prosecution commenced. Now it’s come full circle to a not guilty by reason of self-defense verdict. The people who claimed they only wanted justice got their day in court. They now complain because the jury decided the case the same way the police originally had – the way the evidence compelled them to decide. George Zimmerman is futilely asking where he can go to get his life back. jim_m I like the comments from ignorant celebs here. A drug abusing, violent, 17 YO thug is “a little boy”. Do they not pay attention or are they just so blinded by race that they cannot see the truth about Trayvon Martin? And is this really “the saddest news ever!!!”? Yeah, this just makes a bunch of 3rd graders in Newtown being slaughtered by a psychotic loon seem like a delight and 3000 innocents dieing in the 9/11 attacks were nothing because neither of those were about your racist views on society. At least some had the good sense to call for calm in response to the verdict. Yet I wonder how many of these idiots realize that when they unthinkingly parrot “No Justice. No peace.” that they are actually calling for violent upheaval and mob rule over the rule of law. All that phrase is is a plea to bring back the lynch mobs of 100 years ago but asking for the mob to do a slightly different bidding. [Although I have to say that “No Justice. No peace.” makes a pretty good mission statement for the obama DOJ. They don’t want justice and they have spent money to promote unrest.] ackwired I really dislike these trials where the conservatives line up against the black and the liberals line up in favor of the black. I’m glad this one is over. Also glad there were no riots or threats to jurors as assumed by some. Jwb10001 Yes it’s terrible I remember how George Bush would come on TV and talk about how some black guy killed a white guy and stuff man those conservatives….. ackwired Which trial was that? Jwb10001 Wow did I really need to identify that comment as sarcasm? Or is your comment an attempt at humor? ackwired I had no idea what you were talking about. So I asked. Rodney G. Graves Option Three, he’s that stupid. ozcar “If I had a son, he’d look like Trayvon…”. You mean, like that? Jwb10001 He’s probably talking about how the media ponies up to all white race husslers every time there’s a black on white crime. Or how they turn ever incident of black on white crime into a call for racial justice or something. ackwired These thing bring out the worst in both sides. Zimmerman was depicted as racist, and Martin was depicted as a criminal punk who was breaking into homes. Pretty sick. jim_m Except that Martin had illegal drugs in him, had a history of violence and evidence pointed toward him breaking into people’s homes (unless you have a reasonable explanation why he’s going to schools with women’s jewelry in his bag) and for which suspicion (possession of a “burglary tool” ie the screwdriver) he had been suspended from school. As for your bullshit accusations of racism all you’ve got is a misrepresentation of Zimmerman’s own words and the ignorance of the fact that he is 1/4 black and mostly Hispanic. So you have to ignore EVERYTHING about Zimmerman to hold your claim, while all you have to do with Martin is open your freaking eyes. ackwired Take another look, JIm. I don’t appreciate your saying that I made any accusations of racism. Quite the opposite is the truth. jim_m Fair enough you said that he was depicted as a racist and then claimed that the right had depicted Martin as a thug. The difference is that the left’s depiction lacks any evidence other than their own prejudice and the right’s depiction of Martin is rooted in published fact supported by many sources. ackwired Both defamations were based on assumptions based on spurious “evidence”. As I said, these things bring out the worst on both sides. jim_m Autopsy evidence demonstrated that Martin had been smoking pot possibly within 24 hours of his death. That is not spurious evidence. Just keep your head jammed up your ass so you can’t see the truth. jim_m where the conservatives line up against the black Excepting the fact that George Zimmerman is 1/4 black making him more black than Homer Plessy, who was only 1/8 black. In this case the right lined up behind Zimmerman because he had broken no law, the left lined up against him because they made a judgement about his character based on the color of his skin. It is really that simple. ackwired I’m not a lawyer and I’m not familiar with Florida law. But I was surprised that someone could take a gun and stalk someone under the cover of neighborhood watch, and not be breaking the law. jim_m Stalking was not proven and it is another leftist lie to claim that Zimmerman was stalking Martin. Period. Your bullshit claim of stalking would require that Zimmerman have followed Martin with malice. That is something that every honest person admits that the prosecution failed to prove. Had they done that there might have been a real possibility of a 2nd degree murder conviction. So once again we have a lefty inserting his ideological bias in the place where facts belong when he knows he has no facts to support his lies. ackwired Per Webster’s Online Dictionary: Stalk. The act of following prey stealthily. But I’m not interested in playing the semantics game with you. I’m willing to call his stealthily following Martin by whatever word you might choose. I am still surprised that he could take these actions without breaking the law. I participate in my local neighborhood watch, and this type of behavior is strongly discouraged. I seriously doubt that I could get away with grabbing a gun and “following someone stealthily” around the neighborhood because I suspected him or her of something. Apparently it is OK in Florida. But I am surprised. jim_m Stalking in the legal realm has a different definition. Dishonest lefties are using it to drive their bogus and now completely debunked narrative. But by all means keep using your stupid meme to make yourself look foolish. ackwired I see you are uncomfortable discussing this. That’s OK. I was just replying to your contention that conservatives were only supporting Zimmerman because he had broken no laws. jim_m Yes, with your typical veiled accusations of racism. Whatever. ackwired This is what I said. How could any thinking person possibly interpret this as a veiled accusation of racism? “I’m not a lawyer and I’m not familiar with Florida law. But I was surprised that someone could take a gun and stalk someone under the cover of neighborhood watch, and not be breaking the law.” jim_m Oh, I’m sorry, I thought that when you said, “I was just replying to your contention that conservatives were only supporting Zimmerman because he had broken no laws.” that you were implying that my contention was BS and that there were other motivations. Otherwise why bother making the comment? ackwired I made the comment because I find the Florida law strange. But I am starting to wonder why you feel compelled to reword everything and to always suspect my motivations. These are not signs of a healthy discussion. jim_m I’m wondering why you want to mischaracterize following an apparently suspicious character as “stalking”. There is a difference. ackwired I did not mischaracterize anything. I used the dictionary definition of the word. You claim that it has a different meaning according to Florida law. That may be true. It would not be unusual for a word to have a specific meaning according to a specific state law. I would remind you again that this type of behavior does not contribute to a healthy discussion. Jwb10001 You spoke a little too soon: Most of the California demonstrations proved peaceful, although matters were marred by sporadic reports of stray violence and vandalism, including the halt of a passenger train, the burning of American and California flags, the lighting of small fires in city roadways, shattered storefront windows and the spray painting of a courthouse, as well as the damaging of a police squad car. Why on earth would they burn the California State flag? ackwired Probably because they are not the sharpest knives in the drawer. As you say there were a few instances of outliers using this an excuse for minor violence and vandalism, but no rioting. Jwb10001 Why do liberals continue to give some people a pass on bad behavior? Just because the violence and vandalism isn’t as bad as you think it could have been shouldn’t excuse it. ackwired I don’t know. I think the more radical people on both extremes are driven by fear. Perhaps that is what you are seeing. Jwb10001 So you give this bad behavior a pass because you are afraid, that really does explain a lot. ackwired I said that these people were not very bright. I routinely give your childish insults a pass. This is because I am not afraid. Anger and over-reaction are signs of fear. Jwb10001 But the question was why do you give these people a pass. You answer because people are afraid, how is my comment an insult? ackwired We seem to be talking past each other on this one. Since I am not a liberal I did not understand that you thought I was giving someone a pass. My answer was that since you are an extreme conservative, your fear may be causing you to over-react to a few criminals who are using the verdict as an excuse to vandalize. As for your childish insults, you don’t have to look any farther than this thread to find them and to see that I routinely give you a pass on your behavior.. jim_m You’re not a liberal? Is that like obama is not a liberal but really right of center? ackwired I know you see everything in the left vs. right paradigm, and call everyone who disagrees with you a liberal. But that is just not reality. I’m a moderate libertarian, and the radical liberals treat me just as bad as you do. Rodney G. Graves Waddles like a liberal, emotes like a liberal, denies being a liberal. Must be a progtard. Jwb10001 Oh I’m an extreme conservative, please list my conservative views and sight where I’ve stated these extreme conservative views? Please sight where I’ve insulted you? I don’t recall calling you any names or insinuating anything except that you’re a liberal, I suppose that could count as insult. ackwired I apologize for calling you a conservative. I am surprised that you do not consider yourself a conservative. I would have guessed that you were one of those who brags about how conservative they are. Again, please accept my apology. Rodney G. Graves Because of the purity of their hearts… JLawson It just takes time to work the mobs into a frenzy. Currently (11:30 PM EDT) on Drudge… ‘MODERN DAY LYNCHING’… SHARPTON PLANS PROTESTS IN 100 CITIES… Rally Shuts Down Major Intersection In Newark… Baltimore Witness: Group of Blacks Beat Hispanic Man, Yelling ‘This Is For Trayvon’… Zimmerman’s Parents in Hiding from ‘Enormous Amount of Death Threats’… Lawyer: Prosecutors ‘Disgrace to My Profession’… Oakland: Police Stood Down As ‘Protesters’ Terrorized Drivers… Verdict unleashed pent up rage… Syrian Rebels Side with Trayvon… PIERS GETS JEANTEL… MARTIN FAMILY ATTORNEY DONS HOODIE ON CNN… Prosecutor ‘Prayed’ for Him to Testify… ‘THE WIRE’ creator fans flames: ‘I would pick up a brick’… State prosecutors say Zimmerman’s ‘mindset’ was against law… NUGENT: Verdict vindicates citizen patrols, self-defense… Justice is no longer determined by law, but by the race-baiting poverty pimps whipping up the screaming mobs. The media diligently pounded the racial, racist angle – it’s just a damn shame that the ‘Zimmerman’ they latched onto as a white (possibly Jewish) black-hating villain happened to be a non-racist Hispanic. ackwired It looks like you agree with me. These things bring out the worst in both sides. jim_m Seems to me that the worst is only being brought out on one side. ackwired Let those who have eyes see. jim_m I really don’t see the rioting and violence on the right. Although I suppose in your bizarro world the Tea Party protests were probably the equivalent of the riots after the MLK Jr assassination. ackwired It looks like I did speak too early. Last nights activity certainly included a couple of riots. Sigh…as I said, these things bring out the worst in both sides. jim_m Yeah, I anticipate there would have been a lot of violence, rioting and looting from the right had Zimmerman been convicted. Sheesh! ackwired I guess you know more about those people than I do. GarandFan So will the chief of police and the prosecutor who originally refused to arrest or prosecute because there was no case now be re-hired? jim_m Of course not. The problem is not that a politically based show trial is wrong it is that they were not sufficiently left wing in their implementation. They allowed a defense and allowed the jury to decide based on the law rather than on “social justice”. They will make another civil rights show trial and do a better job of stacking the deck next time. LiberalNightmare If you watch the MSNBC coverage of this,you will learn the following: Racist, wanna be cop, white latino, Zimmerman does not have the right to follow Trayvon. However, 14 yr old Trayvon has the right to wear a hoodie while sitting on Zimmermans chest and beating Zimmerman to death with a bag of skittles. The media continues to gleefully misrepresent the facts of this case, and the useful fools that watch have chosen to lap it up like dogs. Quite simply, you cant argue with people that choose to be ignorant. Jwb10001 Paul Hooson is a perfect example of this playing out and actually working on a person I would have thought smart enough to see through it. I was wrong. He has totally profiled Zimmerman plugged him into a stereotype judge him and found him “retarded wanna be cop” end of story. Rodney G. Graves A perfect example of a progtard. Vagabond661 If George Zimmerman was a woman this would not have come to trial. A woman defending herself with a gun from a vicious attack is expected. George Zimmerman was not a fighter. He, in fact, sucked at it. Martin was a bully. And he brought fists to a gunfight and lost. The people was say that Martin would still be alive if only Zimmerman stayed in his car are idiots. Martin would still be alive if he, Martin, kept his hands in his pockets. jim_m The best part of this verdict is that just when the left is regaining what remains of their senses we will be treated to the court martial conviction of Bradley Manning seeing as his trial just wrapped up. How many times can a lefty’s head explode in one week? Rodney G. Graves Many times since it’s their least vital organ… jim_m William Jacobson is calling for a special prosecutor to investigate Angela Correy for the fraudulent affidavit that resulted in the charges being brought against Zimmerman. In early April 2012, Special Prosecutor Angela Corey decided not to take the George Zimmerman case to a Grand Jury, opting for the filing of a Criminal Information which then was presented along with an Affidavit of Probable Cause. The Court found probable cause for the charges. It turned out, once pre-trial discovery was exchanged, that the affidavit upon which probable cause was found had not disclosed a lot of significant exculpatory details. There was no mention of the significant injuries to Zimmerman, or of John Good’s eyewitness account that Martin was on top of Zimmerman hitting him Mixed Martial Arts style. All the Affidavit said on the subject of the physical confrontation was that there was “a struggle.” The Affidavit identified the voice screaming for help as that of Martin based on an interview with his mother, but did not reveal what we now know, that Martin’s father initially denied it was his son. The Affidavit also was inaccurate, such as alleging that the 911 operator “instructed Zimmerman not” to follow Martin — a false fact which lives on in the media mythology of the case. Too bad our lefty friends here had decided this case as soon as they heard the bogus claim that Zimmerman was white. The whole case was built on a lie and was done for political gain and not for any interest in justice. LiberalNightmare We have to do something … right? Paul Hooson I wonder if George Zimmerman would find me suspicious? jim_m Everybody else does. Paul Hooson Damn tootin’ – I like it when folks flash me the sign of the devil when I’m on one of my bikes! Rodney G. Graves Nah, just looks like an over the hill accountant dealing poorly with mid life crises… LiberalNightmare I wonder if Trayvon could kick your ass white boy Paul Hooson I doubt it. – BTW, here’s a biker secret: Those leather biker vests, they have a gun pocket on the heart side, but most bikers are good enough fighters they don’t need to go to plan B like that. That’s for a pussy like Zimmerman that can’t fight to go for…as his first resort, not last one… LiberalNightmare So the bikers that can fight keep their AMA membership cards in the pocket instead? Paul Hooson I use my gun pocket for my credit cards. LiberalNightmare Bikers are widely known for their stellar credit ratings. Paul Hooson Some are pretty good businessmen. Ralph “Sonny” Barger who founded the Oakland chapter of the Hells Angels has a really great ranch with horses that he owns. He’s a successful author, actor and now movie producer. – Many other bikers make money various ways. I’m buying a $1.9 million dollar strip club myself. – Some of us are get it done businessmen who pursue business with ruthless passions to succeed. – My former landlord for my grocery store was associated with a Washington MC, and had property ranging from a construction company, to the grocery store, to a pizza restaurant, to a movie theater he owned. – Some black gang members own McDonalds restaurants in the Compton area. There’s many MC members or just bikers who are successful businessmen who engage in entirely legal businesses who are honest, but tough businessmen. jim_m In my experience it is the pussies who call it a gun pocket. Paul Hooson That’s the God-given name for that pocket in biker vests. Check out manufacturer websites for more info… EricSteel That’s for a pussy like Zimmerman that can’t fight to go for…as his first resort, not last one… Paul, what are you talking about? What first resort? Are you really that ignorant of the facts? Are you unaware that Zimmerman was on his back with Trayvon Martin sitting on his chest beating Zimmerman’s head against concrete? Did you see the pictures of Zimmerman? Does that look like the face of a guy who used his gun as a first resort? Paul Hooson Christ I’ve looked that bad in some fights I had, that’s nothing. But, the other guy…well, he looked worse yet.- I’ve had my nose broken before and my mouth ripped open before, my head cut, etc. – I’ve had a knife stuck in my face three times, etc. Being in business hasn’t always been easy. You deal with all types. I just defend myself from robbery and related bullshit, and nobody ever left with any money. – And, I never tried to kill anyone. You just punish a bad guy with a few blows and if they’re smart they run away home to their mama crying… jim_m You just punish a bad guy with a few blows and if they’re smart they run away home to their mama crying… The sad thing is that you fail to see what a pathetic douchebag you come off as. Paul Hooson No, I’m a tough businessman who’s worked hard for what I have and I’ll be god-damned if I’m going to hand it some prick who walks in the door and wants to take it. If someone is poor, I don’t mind helping them. If someone wants to just take something from me….then fuck no! jim_m I stopped bragging about beating people up in high school. The fact that you haven’t makes you pathetic. Paul Hooson I’m an old fuck. I’ll be 58 in a few days. I’m proud when some guy in his 20’s thinks he can better me, but can’t. But, I’m much prouder of having a cute blonde girlfriend who just turned 30, my home, or business achievements. jim_m And now you’ve transitioned from pathetic to creepy. Paul Hooson No, I’m proud to be an old man, who’s lived quite a life or have a young woman I’m proud in my life. Life isn’t half bad sometimes… Rodney G. Graves More of a wanna be thug in need of plugging. EricSteel Congratulations, you are tough bad ass. Zimmerman isn’t. You still didn’t answer the question. Does that look like the face of a guy who used his gun as a first resort? And despite all of your Internet claims Mr. Bronson, I bet that if one of those guys got the better of YOU and was sitting on your chest pounding your head into concrete then you’d shoot him too. Paul Hooson Any time a robber or other crook pulled crap at one of my businesses I never went all out to win a fight with them. I had restraint. I would trade blows with them if necessary, but I refused to step it up to a deadly force level. That’s the problem with Zimmerman, he had some mental health issues, not restraining his actions, where he went for the deadly force option almost instantly after a few blows. With any self defense training at all, Zimmerman should have been able to throw a punch, effectively block a punch, then go for three rapid throat, face and chin punches that would have had Martin effectively done fighting in seconds. Zimmerman had a pretty good weight advantage over the tall but slim framed Martin, but failed to use that to his advantage as well. – But, Zimmerman was perfectly safe in his car, from which he started to make his 911 call. He should have stayed in the car, why he got out and got himself involved in this situation still remains a question of good judgement here. But, given that there were no eyewitnesses, and that it was only Zimmerman’s account of the events, the jury apparently decided that Zimmerman could not be found guilty of some crime beyond a reasonable doubt here. And, that’s all that matters, right? Rodney G. Graves [citation required] EricSteel Okay tough guy. You love to tell us how bad ass you are. Prove it. Show us how much more of a beating you could withstand. Have a 160 lb guy sit on your chest and hit your head against a concrete floor mma style. Come on Zimmerman’s a great big pussy according to you. He lasted 40 seconds. Let’s see how long you go before you ask to stop. Video it or it didn’t happen. Its easy to be an Internet bad ass, put up or shut up! LiberalNightmare more about trayvons criminal history http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2013/07/trayvon-martins-involvement-in-local-burglaries-covered-up-by-media-school-police-prosecutors.html Skittles made me do it. Paul Hooson In the end the only thing that matters here is that the jury has spoken, not finding Zimmerman guilty because of the standard of reasonable doubt. I may not care much for Zimmerman, or for that matter, Trayvon Martin, as well either, but my opinion, nor anyone else’s opinion here really doesn’t matter very much here, only the final legal opinion of the jury. That’s it. George Zimmerman got the outcome he wanted, but it cost him a fortune paid to lawyers to get that outcome. EricSteel Actually Paul, the jury found him not guilty under the justified use of force, aka Self-Defense. Jwb10001 Money won’t be a problem for Zimmerman NBC’s going to end up cutting him a huge check. He’ll probably end up owning Corey’s house and car too. Rodney G. Graves From your Keyboard to the Judge of All’s Display. Paul Hooson Interestingly, just today, Zimmerman’s lawyers claimed that all defense money went to pay defense witnesses. The lawyers haven’t been paid yet, but hope to recover. There’s where the exclusive interview deals and book deals come in to play, and his defense team hopes to recover money.