Obama Lies: Shutdown Fears Mirrors Blather About Bailout/Stimulus/Sequester Fears

Worried about a government shutdown? Don’t be. It won’t affect you much. But that isn’t what the left and the Old Media establishment are saying. They are making this a doomsday scenario and the false rhetoric they are doling out to America is similar to the BS that we saw during the 2008 debate (see video below) over bailouts and stimulus spending–you know, that spending that didn’t stimulate anything but the pockets of government union members? Yeah, that stimulus.

Paul Joseph Watson made some great points in his recent posting noting that the doomsday rhetoric we heard during the 2008 stimulus and bailout debates were pretty much just what we are hearing today. If government doesn’t act it’ll be the end of the world, we were told.

I’d add that we heard the same stuff about the sequester, too. If we passed sequester and made cuts to government, the left said, children and old people would die, the military would blow away, and the country would collapse. Well, the sequester came and went, some spending was cut and guess what? No one noticed any difference at all.

But this time, as Watson points out, we get the likes of extremists like Sen. Tom Harkin, Democrat of Iowa, saying that a government shutdown would be just like “the civil war”… or something.

Other Democrats have decried a shutdown saying vital government spending would end. This is all simply untrue.

As Watson says, “the ominous ‘government shut down’ is nothing of the sort. It would be the 18th time it has happened since 1977. In no previous case did such circumstances lead to anything even approaching the apocalyptic hype being bandied about by Harkin and his ilk, nor did it significantly impact the economy in any way.”

He goes on saying,

The vast majority of government activities and services will remain fully operational whether a “shut down” occurs or not. Crucial services will not disappear and America will not collapse into a state of anarchy.

The reality of what a government shut down entails clearly does not warrant such alarmist hyperbole, but it’s not the first time we’ve witnessed these blackmail tactics.

But let’s think about this the proper way. Who will a government shutdown affect? Really only people that work for government.

Only four percent of Americans work for government and THAT four percent make more than most of the rest of us.

It is disgusting that Harry Reid and the Democrats would vote to shut down the government in order to guarantee that only SOME people can have an Obamacare delay–including the largest corporations, Obama’s union pals, and even Congress and their staffers–while regular Americans are forced into it at the point of an IRS gun. The very least Obama could do is accept the idea that members of Congress and their staffers go into the exchanges on the same terms as every other American who is losing his employer-coverage.

So, why are we all getting so upset that the rich 4 percent will have their exorbitant riches put on hold for a few days? After all, they won’t actually lose ANY money at all. They’ll still get it if only delayed.

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  • Paul Hooson

    My personal opinion here is that the Republicans overplayed their hand politically here, and will suffer the worst political consequences. An important part of politics is having good instincts. It will be a hard sell telling veterans or soldiers why some of their services or pay are delayed. Certainly Obama suffers some political damage as well, however the public still holds him in higher regard than congress, so congress will be judged more harshly here. – Some like Rep. Peter King are regretting they went along with Ted Cruz here. King is actually a very electable moderate conservative and doesn’t need to associated with anything that suggests that he’s not presidential quality.- You don’t win a game of chicken by actually driving over the edge. You go to the brink, not over it to actually win….

    • 914

      It will be easy. The democrats refused to fund it.

      See how simple that was.

    • jim_m

      Too bad that the polls show that the public holds both the GOP and obama responsible and that is despite the MSM bleating 24/7 that it is all the GOP’s fault. Looks like you just self identified as a low information voter.

      • Brucehenry
        • jim_m

          46 percent point the finger at Republicans, 36 percent at the president and 13 percent at the GOP and Mr. Obama equally, CNN said.

          Functionally equal Mr fascist sympathizer.

          • Brucehenry

            Yeah, 10 points difference is “equal.” How silly of me.

            Look at the other polls yet? Try Quinnipiac and drink deeply of its bitterness, Math Genius.

          • jim_m

            Margin of error of 3.5% Fascist. That means that the GOP figure could be as low as 42.5% and the Dems as high as 39.5%. Not as different as freedom hating fascists like you would like to admit.

            And again, that is with the media blaming the GOP for 100% of the problem 24/7/365.

            [edit] go to a foreign paper if you want proper perspective on the shutdown. The Guardian (of all places) predicts that this will accrue to the benefit of the GOP, just as it did in 1996.

          • Brucehenry

            Funny I heard all day long on that right wing shoutfest NPR quotes from Republican congressmen and pundits claiming it was all the President’s fault, except the part that was Reid’s.

            And I’m sitting here imagining how you would gloat if the 10 point difference was reversed, and how you would scoff at mentions of margins of error. Please.

          • jim_m

            I’m too busy making fun of your denial that obama is being held to blame for this as well. Show us, Oh great genius that you are, where there is a poll showing that no one holds obama responsible.

            Bruce, I’m laughing at the superior intellect.

          • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

            Ha ha!

          • stan25

            NPR a right wing shoutfest? Surely you jest. Now I will have to mop the floor under my chair from laughing so hard.

          • Brucehenry

            Um yes I jest genius

          • jim_m

            Careful. This past weekend I was visiting my ultra left wing parents who told me with a straight face that CNN was a right wing news channel. They were dead serious. Then again my father at one point forgot that I was visiting them.

          • Retired military

            Bruce Jim didn’t say equally.

          • jim_m

            Bruce gets offended when you point out that he can’t read with comprehension. He finds the constant pointing out of that truth to be passé.

          • jim_m

            49% say that obama is at least partly to blame. My original statement was “polls show that the public holds both the GOP and obama responsible”

            Come on Mr Super Genius. Tell me where there is an inconsistency in the poll I linked with the statement I made above.

            Tell us, Mr supreme intellect, where are the polls showing that the public holds obama blameless?

            Where did you go Bruce?

            crickets…………………

          • Brucehenry

            Dinner time. Not an ascetic like yourself. I like to eat.

            Not really much of an inconsistency, except your comment was in response to Paul’s assertion that the public will blame the GOP more than they will blame Obama. So when you replied that the polls show the public blames both, iI inferred that you were implying “equally,” I guess.

            But I really meant to demonstrate that, as the various polls show, the blame is not being laid equally. Didn’t really say that you had made such a claim. Or at least I didn’t MEAN to say that.

            But while we’re fessing up, why don’t you show where I said Obama was incurring NO blame?

          • jim_m

            weasel

          • Brucehenry

            Quotes or it didn’t happen, liar.

          • jim_m

            Really?

            Look at the other polls yet? Try Quinnipiac and drink deeply of its bitterness

            Waiting…..

            As I say above, I accept your admission that you cannot read with comprehension.

          • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

            you insult rodentia.

          • Brucehenry

            A weasel is not a rodent Mr Zoologist.

          • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

            A crapweasel would know…

        • jim_m

          Note that I said “holds both the GOP and obama responsible” You have ANY evidence that shows that obama is not held responsible at all?

          Pony up your proof dumbass. I have all night to wait for your proof.

          • Brucehenry

            I might try to prove it if I had ever said it.

          • jim_m

            Sorry,

            I inferred that you were implying (that) I guess.

            Or maybe you just can’t freaking read past your own ideological blinders dumbass.

          • Brucehenry

            Does that mean I said Obama incurs no blame, or that I (mistakenly?) assumed you were implying “equally”? I don’t deny misinterpreting your intent, if you say so. What I am denying is your imaginary gotcha where I claimed Obama incurred no blame. Never said that.

            And who can’t read, again?

          • jim_m

            I will accept your admission that as a lefty you cannot read with comprehension despite your constant whining that this meme is untrue.

          • Brucehenry

            You said, repeatedly, on TWO THREADS, that I claimed no one blamed Obama. I challenge you to find the quote, liar. Shouldn’t be that hard if it were there. It isn’t.

          • jim_m

            Sorry, you implied. Just as truthful as your claim that I said they were equal but with the benefit of being more honest in capturing your intent.

          • Brucehenry

            I never said that, either. My mockery was of your calling a 10 point poll spread “functionally equal.”

          • jim_m

            Allow me to quote RM “Bruce Jim didn’t say equally.” And you claim was that I had said equal.

          • Brucehenry

            You said a 10 point poll spread was “functionally equal.”

            I get the nuance, and I wasn’t arguing the point. I was merely laughing at your claim that a 10 point poll spread was “functionally equal.”

          • jim_m

            I congratulate you on being the only leftist who gets nuance.

            You miss out on the part where they said that 13% held both equally accountable. As I said elsewhere, that makes the total that holds obama equally or mostly to blame at 49%. When half the nation holds him that much to blame there really isn’t any meaningful difference.

          • Brucehenry

            Come on, Mr Comprehension. Quotes or it didn’t happen.

          • jim_m

            I have linked your implications elsewhere Mr Weasel.

          • Brucehenry

            Must be great to be a conservative. No embarrassment. Lie your ass off and pretend it didn’t happen, and get freaking up-voted by fedora-sportin’ toadies.

          • jim_m

            You made the stupid comment buddy, not me.

            Perhaps it is you this time that (to use your own phrase) is “Butthurt”. Oh, savor the irony.

          • Brucehenry

            Certifiable as a liar if not a lunatic.

          • jim_m

            Calm down Bruce. As you are fond of saying “Some of these are jokes.”

          • Brucehenry

            It’s fine. Sorry if I appear butthurt lol.

            Anyone can read this thread. Everyone can see that I never said Obama incurs no blame, and everyone can see you insisting, over and over again, that I did say it. Only I didn’t.

            So if you feel like you “won” this thingie, it’s fine. I’d be embarrassed had I attempted what you did, but if you’re not, again, it’s fine.

          • jim_m

            Yes, I feel you have been sufficiently mocked and belittled as appropriate.

          • Brucehenry

            OK then!

          • Jwb10001

            Yeah Democrats never lie their asses off do they.

          • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

            Only when their lips are moving.

          • Jwb10001

            We should start a list of just the lies Obama has told about his wonderful healthcare law. I’ll start, the average family will see their ins rates drop by $2500 per year…. false some would say lie. If you like your Dr you can keep him…. false might even be considered a lie.

          • jim_m

            There isn’t enough storage space in the NSA to hold that list.

          • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

            You can call him crap for short…

          • jim_m

            Would that be related to a stool pigeon?

          • Retired military

            Can you and Bruce get a room already?
            Geez. Honestly you 2 sound like an old married couple.

            You 2 remind me of the in laws of a friend of mine. They were in their 90s. He had had an affair on her during WW2 or thereabouts. 60 years later and she was still beating him over the head with it.

          • Brucehenry

            LOL if we were an old married couple I think separate vacations would be in order.

            Sorry, RM.

          • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

            You’re already on holiday from sane…

          • Sky__Captain

            Uh, no, sorry.

            Looking through the above mess, it it obvious this is NOT an “old married couple”.

            It is merely a petulant child getting schooled repeatedly and still not learning.

          • jim_m

            There’s a reason I got divorced.

          • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

            More intimately than either of us really wants to think about…

        • Paul Hooson

          Some people don’t trade in reality around here, Bruce. Ironically, this shutdown will make it harder for some to get permits to buy a gun because it will slow any federal background checks, among other consequences. Strange that a lot of gun rights legislators have now effectively banned many from gun ownership are legally entitled to own guns.

          • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

            You are entitled to your opinions, not to powers of arbitration over reality.

        • Commander_Chico

          Funny that you get multiple down votes for providing citations to polls.

          • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

            Funny how you get down dings for breathing…

          • Brucehenry

            That whole exchange was funny, in that Jim pulled his usual stunt of pretending whoever he was arguing with is saying something that person never said. And then trying to get sarcastic about the other guy’s “reading comprehension skills,” LOL.

    • Hank_M

      “You don’t win a game of chicken by actually driving over the edge.”

      Agreed. But it’s Obama taking the country over the cliff and the Republicans are trying to stop that, at least some of them.

    • Retired military

      Well if veterans pay are delayed it will be a month from now. This mess will be over by Monday I am betting.
      Veteran checks hit the bank today and go out the 1st of the month. Govt Employees get paid the 3rd and I am told the checks will hit then as well. I will let you know if that doesn’t happen.

      Also the House can pass legislation funding that portion and let the dems or Obama vote it down.

      Boehner will most likely cave. he is a spineless coward. What Boehner should do is hold a press conference and say “we pass 4 bills and the Senate has voted all 4 of them down. The senate refuses to negotiate anything with us. :The House is now in recess. When I receive a call from Harry Reid that their position has changed than maybe the House will be called back in session.”
      The onus is then on Reid to do something. All Boehner would have to do is wait.

      Compromise is not capitulation which is exactly what Reid and Obama want.

      Plus if the republicans cave now (which I expect Boehner to do by this weekend) then they can kiss the baby on the debt ceiling. They can expect to get absolutely no concessions from the dems on it. Boehner will have already proved that he is Obama’s bitch.

    • LiberalNightmare

      >> You don’t win a game of chicken by actually driving over the edge. You go to the brink, not over it to actually win….

      Too bad you didn’t give that advice to Obama/Reid.

      Every day that passes where the sun doesnt fall out of the sky because GOVT SHUTDOWN! and everyday that the obamacare exchanges stink all over the place is one more day that weakens obamas position and he knows it.

  • Hank_M

    Good points WTH.

    Yup, the world was going to end with the sequester. Unfortunately, no one noticed.

    And now, President Red-Line says he will not negotiate with the Republicans although he did spend some time talking to a dead phone the other day claiming he was talking to Iran.

    At this point, if the Republicans are going to survive as a party, they had better show some backbone and stand up for something. If they give in without major concessions, they’ll be derided by Obama and the MSM as unprincipled obstructionists. Then again, I suppose that’s better than what the Liberals are calling them now.

    • jim_m

      I’m not sure that the beltway boys like McCain really care if the GOP survives as a party. They would be happier in a single party system.

      • Retired military

        McCain and company could stop pretending then. But he wouldn’t get the positive press then as he does now when he bashes the right.

      • 914

        McCain is a multi millionaire out to pasture Rino suffering from Stockholm syndrome. Who cares what he thinks ?

        • Retired military

          As long as he bashes republicans the NY Times, ABC, NBC, CBS, MSNBC, LA Times, Chicago Tribune

    • 914

      Seems to me we go through this every election cycle with a few more rhinoceros being exposed?

  • Retired military

    BTW most of the stocks I watch are up today.

    I look forward to Obama going before the American people and talking about how the shutdown is hurting the people and how this is a disaster and he wont rest until he gets the House to listen to him. Then the press will cover Obama stepping onto Marine One heading to Andrews to play golf. .

    • Walter_Cronanty

      “Then the press [won't] cover Obama stepping onto Marine One heading to Andrews to play golf.” FIFY

    • Sky__Captain

      Heck, Barry’s going to Bali this weekend. You’d think a government slowdown would stop him.

      • jim_m

        Hey, Americans are suffering? Time for obama to celebrate.

  • Retired military

    My prediction:
    This will last until this weekend. Govt workers will be back at work on Monday.
    Boehner will capitulate after having gained nothing or very little from Reid. This will put republicans in a box with the debt ceiling fight as Reid and Obama will simply call any bluff Boehner makes and he will have shown it is a bluff.
    The best thing Boehner can do is everytime Obama or Reid opens their mouth about how people are suffering due to this or that branch of govt is shut down would be to pass very selective bills covering those areas (minus Obamacare naturally) and dare the Senate and Obama to not approve them. If they don’t than go on TV and say “Obama said this and we passed money to cover that and the Senate and Obama rejected it”
    EIther that or Boehner does as I stated below. Go home and tell Reid to call him when he wants to talk and compromise. House is Adjourned.

  • Lawrence Westlake

    Left unsaid, however, which isn’t at all surprising, is the giant neon political elephant in the room. It’s 1995-1996 deja vu, all over again. The media incessantly will pitch gloom and doom and GOP Derangement Syndrome about this “shutdown” to the low information voter demographic, who in turn will buy it: hook, line and sinker. In a few weeks, after the media vomits up numerous “polls” showing overwhelmingly negative numbers for Republicans (go figure), the GOP will give in and again fund the entire government. There will be some type of minor delay to some tangential element of Obamacare (or perhaps some minor debt ceiling/tax/spending counter-cave by the administration). Then the lunatic right will go into full Idiocracy mode. Obama will declare victory. Obama’s supporters will finish their term papers or return from their European vacations. And Main Street will wonder: “What’s for dinner?” Meanwhile Hillary’s people already are preparing for the ’16 general election cycle. Blogs will proceed to return to such items as vaccines, abortion, evolution, ID and creationism, student loans, local pet peeves, GOP bashing, comic books, movies and banal cartoons.

    • Retired military

      Geez Mr Caviar and Grey Poupon himself finally decided to grace us with his presence. At least he didn’t use some word from the reader’s digest word of the month list from 1952.

      • Brucehenry

        It’s not the big words that kill me, it’s the tone of world-weariness as he lectures us peasants on Westlakian political theory.

    • LiberalNightmare

      I thought the giant purple elephant in the room was the question – how did two superior politicians like obama and reid ‘accidently’ find themselves in the position of needing a continuing resolution to fund obamas signature achievement?

      Shoddy work for a lightbringer, dont you think?

  • stan25

    Just as with the sequester, the people will find that the services that were shut down this time will be the ones they can live without. While it will be inconvenient for awhile, the people effected will move on to other things. Let the Libs and media (redundant) squeal how unfair this shutdown will be for their constituents, while the rest of us get on with our lives. Who really gives a rat’s patoot about some damn museum that no one really wants except someone who has a lot of money to spend.

  • Retired military

    Here is an interesting article
    100 unintended consequences of Obamacare.

    http://www.nationalreview.com/node/359861/print

  • Retired military

    “But we’re not going to accomplish those things if one party to this conversation says that the only way that they come to the table is if they get 100 percent of what they want and if they don’t, they threaten to burn down the house.” – Barrack Obama Sept 30, 2012
    Maybe I am wrong but aren’t Obama and the Senate demanding 100% of what they want and since they didn’t get it we have the govt shutdown now?

  • Olsoljer

    As a retired military person, I support the government shutdown. Yesterday obama used the “bully pulpit” to spew the most outrageous bullshit and blatant lies I have ever heard from an elected? official at one time. Sen Cruz used the floor of the Senate as a pulpit, forcing major new coverage of the dispute. The House will have to give dims what they want, but everyone will know the dims OWN OBAMACARE! When the taxes come home to roost, penalty payments by a massive number of voters further erode predicted revenues, cost of medical devices skyrocket, the dims will pay the ultimate price. What will last longer, remembrance of the shutdown, or piss poor medical care and availability and taxes? King might have been electable at one time but his vituperative tirade against Cruz will be played over and over come election time – definitely not presidential of him, and backing the wrong horse – it will be remembered. All those, regardless of party, who backed this destruction will be identified and held accountable, most will be eliminated from office by challengers who reflect the will of the voters, not personal power or financial gain. Goodbye dims, roast in hell where you belong.

    • Olsoljer

      ………….and by the way, has anyone counted the number of family members who have lost insurance coverage because of companies no longer paying for other than the primary employee healthcare? What is going to result from the loss of close to 750 billion dollars from medicare – it was paid by the American citizens, and I don’t recall anyone being asked if they approved. As you sow, so shall you reap – harvest time is approaching.

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  • Michael Lang

    Little Brucie is just a robot mouthing the party line no matter how absurd it is. Rather boring.

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