Lesbian Martyr Kaitlyn Hunt Offered Another Plea Deal

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Kaitlyn Hunt, the Florida teenager charged with  having sex with her 14-year-old girlfriend during her senior year in high school is getting another chance to plea to lesser charges and escape registering as a sex offender.  In case you forgot, Hunt, who initially garnered support via social media from the gay community, turned out to be a less than ideal candidate for victimhood.

Supporters claimed that the lesbian relationship between schoolgirls was being singled out for selective prosecution at the urging of the 14-year-old girlfriends parents.  Her parents wrote that Kaitlyn is “not guilty of anything other than a high school romance” and is being prosecuted “because she has a girlfriend.”

The whole thing started to unravel rather quickly.  If you need to see the details behind the duplicity of the “Free Kate” movement see Support Honesty or The Other McCain.

Then in August, after Hunt refused a plea bargain from prosecutors, she was arrested for bail violations. From CNN:

Judge Robert Pegg sent Hunt, 19, to jail Tuesday, ordering her held on bond pending trial. She’ll also be limited to communicating with her lawyers, guards, fellow inmates and perhaps a few choice visitors. Hunt was 18 when she was charged with two felony counts of lewd and lascivious battery after allegedly having sexual relations with the girl, who was 14.

Pegg made his ruling after an Indian River Sheriff’s Office detective testified about the contents of an iPod that Hunt had given the younger girl — including more than 20,000 text messages, “explicit” videos and nude pictures — despite a court order that the two not communicate, electronically or otherwise.

“It’s overwhelming that Ms. Hunt has chosen to violate the conditions of her bond deliberately and willfully on several occasions,” Pegg said in explaining his decision.

In addition to the extensive exchange of messages since March — which began days after the no-contact order was issued — Detective Jeremy Shepherd further testified that he’d learned the two had secretively met as recently as a few weeks ago.

Hunt has been in jail since August, but today prosecutors (after consultation with the victim’s family) offered Hunt one last deal. She gets a couple more months in prison, a strict probation, but avoids having to register as a sex offender.

With her support in the gay community now gone, Hunt would be crazy to turn this deal down. Of course she was crazy to turn the first deal down given her actions, so it really remains to be seen what happens next.

The full text of the offer from the State Attorney’s office is below.

To: A. Julia Graves

From: Brian G. Workman, Assistant State Attorney

Re: State v. Kaitlyn Ashley Hunt

Case No. 31-2013-CF-000197-A

CONDITIONAL PLEA OFFER

The defendant is charged with the following in the above case:

COUNT 1. LEWD OR LASCIVIOUS BATTERY

COUNT 2. LEWD OR LASCIVIOUS BATTERY

COUNT 3. TRANSMISSION OF MATERIAL HARMFUL TO MINOR

I am making the following plea offer.

The Defendant will enter a plea of no contest to:

COUNT 1. BATTERY, F.S. 784.03(1)(B) (LESSER-INCLUDED OFFENSE)

COUNT 2. BATTERY, F.S. 784.03(1)(B) (LESSER-INCLUDED OFFENSE)

COUNT 4. INTERFERENCE WITH CHILD CUSTODY, F.S. 787.03 (DIRECT-FILE)

COUNT 5. INTERFERENCE WITH CHILD CUSTODY, F.S. 787.03 (DIRECT-FILE)

COUNT 6. CONTRIBUTING TO THE DEPENDENCY OF A CHILD, F.S. 827.04(1) (DIRECT-FILE)

As to counts 1, 2, and 6 the judge will withhold adjudication and sentence the defendant to 3 months of probation with standard terms and conditions. As to Count 3, the State will file a Nolle Prosequi.

As to counts 4 and 5 the judge will withhold adjudication and sentence the defendant to a total of three years of felony supervision. The first 3 months of supervision will be probation followed by 2 years of community control with the remainder on probation. The following are special conditions:

a. The defendant shall remain in the county jail until December 20, 2013. On that date, she will be released and probation will convert to community control.

b. The defendant shall have no contact directly or indirectly, including electronically or through third parties, with victim C.S.

c. If C.S. initiates contact with the defendant, the defendant shall not respond in any manner.

d. The defendant shall remain at least 500 feet from C.S., her residence, place of work, and school at all times. If the defendant becomes aware that she is within 500 feet of C.S., the defendant shall immediately remove herself to a distance of at least 500 feet.

e. The defendant shall submit to warrantless search and seizure by the probation officer (and law enforcement at the request of the probation officer), of the defendant’s residence, car, phone, and computer.

f. The defendant shall provide the probation officer with immediate and full access to telephone and internet communications including but not limited to: call logs, text logs and messages, instant messaging logs and messages, emails, social media accounts, Skype or similar accounts, and account names, numbers and passwords for all accounts. The defendant shall not use any such account belonging to any other person nor allow any other person to use any such account belonging to her.

g. The defendant shall complete 150 hours of community service at a minimum 15 hours per month commencing upon her release from jail.

h. The defendant shall submit to a DOC-approved psychological evaluation and successfully complete recommended treatment, if any, at her own expense. The defendant shall waive confidentiality regarding all aspects of the evaluation and treatment.

i. The defendant shall submit to electronic (GPS) monitoring during the entire term of supervision, commencing upon her release from jail.

j. Upon successful completion of one year of community control, the defendant may petition the court to convert the remainder to probation with the same terms and conditions.

k. During the term of probation, the defendant shall observe a curfew from 11:00 p.m. to 5:00 a.m.

l. The defendant may transfer probation to any state that will accept supervision. If the defendant transfers out of Florida, electronic monitoring will be discontinued. If the defendant returns to Florida, electronic monitoring will resume immediately.

m. The defendant shall pay restitution to the Crimes Compensation Trust Fund in an amount to be determined, costs of investigation in an amount to be determined, costs of prosecution ($828.00), costs of incarceration, and standard felony court costs in equal monthly installments to commence upon her release from jail. The defendant stipulates that she has the present ability to pay all costs that have accrued as of the date of sentencing.

n. There shall be no early termination of probation. There shall be no modification of the standard or special conditions of community control or probation without the agreement of the State Attorney’s Office.

o. The sentences on all counts are to run concurrently.

In exchange for the defendant’s strict compliance with the terms above, the State is agreeing to the following:

1. No felony conviction unless the defendant violates community control or probation.

2. No sex offender registration.

3. Upon successful completion of the entire sentence and receipt of a Certificate of Eligibility from FDLE, the defendant may petition the court to seal or expunge this case pursuant to F.S. 943.0585.

Please discuss this with the defendant. Although I am not placing a firm deadline on this offer, I would appreciate your prompt written reply. This offer may be withdrawn at any time before it is accepted by the court. If you have any questions please call me.

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  • http://www.rustedsky.net JLawson

    Always check the age. Like they told us in basic training – ’15 will get you 20.’

  • Commander_Chico

    When both parties are teenagers, prosecutors should use some discretion. This is not like Roman Polanski.

    99% of kids charged in cases like this are teenaged boys. In the south, where they’ll give a 17 year old 20 years in prison for fucking a 15 year old, they often don’t offer any kind of deal.

    • JWH

      There’s a little more here that Doug left out. The 14-year-old’s parents initially tried to resolve this without bringing in the police. They asked the 18-year-old to stop seeing their daughter, but the 18-year-old would not subside.

      • Commander_Chico

        Teenagers not listening to parents, wow.

        • JWH

          Chico, one of these teenagers is a legal adult, with the rights AND RESPONSIBILITIES that entails. If you’re 18 and your intended is 15, and the 15-year-old’s parents ask you to stay away from their child, you STAY AWAY FROM THEIR CHILD. And if you don’t …. yeah, it’s a crime.

          And you dance right past my real point — that the parents did try to handle this without involving law enforcement.

          My opinion might be different if this were two 14-year-olds, or a 16-year-old and a 15-year-old. But it’s not.

          • Joe Lagle

            You know it must be a cold day in hell, I agree with Chico here. There is a 5 year difference between my wife and I. I dated girls, where the parents didn’t like it. Not really seeing a “rape” or sex offender here. I’m seeing parents not wanting their daughter to be gay. (could be wrong since only see part of data)

          • jim_m

            A very cold day indeed. It is really hard to justify a felony sex offender conviction in this case.

          • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

            Also missing from the retelling above is the 18 year old continuing the relationship after having been arrested initially, and after having been released on bond on the condition that the relationship be broken off, which was also broken (and why she is in jail now). The mother was aiding and abetting her daughter in this, btw.

          • jim_m

            I understand that she violated a court order. My original point was that this should never have risen to the level of a felony charge. Period.

          • http://www.shockandblog.com/ Jay McHue

            Adults having sex with minors under the age of consent should ALWAYS be a felony charge. PERIOD.

          • jim_m

            So if you have a son that turns 18 and his girlfriend is 17 you will turn him in for rape? Keep that one in mind Mr Hypocrite because if you don’t you will be aiding and abetting a rapist.

            No one is saying that this was right but that the punishment is disproportionate. These were high school kids and Hunt was wrong for pursuing this like she did. I have not said that it was OK just that it should not be a felony.

            When you ask for irrational, inflexible rules you get our school system today which is expelling kids for playing with guns in their own yards and sending kids home for drawing a picture of a gun because it violates the zero tolerance policy.

            There is a difference when they are both teenagers and while you obviously think that teenagers must never have sex and we should imprison anyone who does, it is not a reasonable, rational or enforceable position.

          • Mjolnir Hammerschlag

            Different facts.

            Way to make a fallacious argument.

          • jim_m

            Fascist hypocrisy gets you nowhere

          • Mjolnir Hammerschlag

            So, it’s working for you?

          • jim_m

            I have made clear arguments as to why prosecution as a felony is overboard. A plurality of states would not even call this a crime. Even more would call it a misdemeanor and not a felony. Inflexible, irrational idiots like yourself make asinine arguments like “it’s the law” and ignore the fact that (as others have pointed out) that the prosecutor is allowed to use discretion, that not all cases are the same and that this one happens to be on the very fringe of the legal case and therefore deserves such consideration.

            Meanwhile you ignore the FACTS that I have said that her punishment for violating the court order is just, that I do not object to a misdemeanor charge in this case and that I have suggested non-felony charge ways that the family of the 14 YO could have dealt with this.

          • Mjolnir Hammerschlag

            No you haven’t.

            You’ve just been salivating over an underage child.

            You should be ashamed of yourself.

          • Jer

            I don’t agree Jim, not with a 14 year old. Hunt also not only violated bail but commited the same crime while adding new ones when she did. In what statr is sex with a 14 year old not a felony?

          • Rdmurphy42

            Sorry, Jim – but the law already accounts for the scenario you mention anyway. Legal adult and a fourteen year old is an ocean away from an eighteen year old and a seventeen year old.

            Under Florida law, the age of consent is 18. Fla. Stat.§ 794.05, provides that the statutory rape law does not apply to individuals who are 16 and 17 if their partners are individuals who are 24 years of age or younger. Thus, the law is concerned with older adults abusing teenagers and therefore criminalizes sexual relations between individuals over 24 years of age and those who are 16 and 17. However, the law does recognize that teens who are 16 and 17 may have consensual sexual relations with individuals who are close to their age.

            Under 16

            Florida law,Fla. Stat. § 800.04 makes any sexual relations with individuals younger than age 16 unlawful, regardless of the age of the partner.

            Many individuals who are past their 24th birthday do not realize that having sexual relations with a person who is 16 or 17 is unlawful for them under Florida law. Further, they may not even be aware of the age of their partners; they think that the individuals are 18 or older and capable of giving consent. In some cases, the partners may have lied about their ages and said they were 18 or older. Nonetheless, because statutory rape law is a strict liability offense, the individuals who are past their 24th birthday may be prosecuted under the statutory rape law.

          • jim_m

            As I have said, every state looks at it differently and there are 15 states where this would be legal.

            People look at this in two dogmatic ways: 1) that it is universally illegal (it isn’t) and 2) that it is universally immoral (that is open to debate based on the two individuals involved.)

          • Ken in Camarillo

            You state that there are 35 states that have laws against this situation. Based on that, it is hard to claim that a law against it is unreasonable. Every law like this that I’ve heard of gives consideration to age difference or proximity of minor’s age to 18, in a clear effort to avoid your “18 and 17″ technicality.

          • jim_m

            Sigh.

            My point was that the law is not consistent in this are. Further, while 15 states make this relationship fully legal, even more state make it only a misdemeanor and not a felony. Without going back and surveying I would say that more than half the states do not make it a felony. My final point was that this relationship should not constitute a felony sex crime.

            Go follow the links I have posted on the laws and you will see that I am not unreasonable.

          • JWH

            A damn cold day, as I agree with Rodney here. Even if you can successfully make the case that there is no felony battery, this woman violated the conditions of her bail. If a court orders you not to have contact with your putative victim, you don’t have contact.

          • Joe Lagle

            That is true, however I don’t believe the initial arrest was warranted which means the bond should have never been required.

          • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

            Then you need to change the law.

          • Arlene

            When an 18 year old agressively sexually pursues a 14 year old, and other adults along with the parents of the 14 year old demand a cease and desist, and then that 18 year old arranges a run-away sleep over with sex involved . . . then this should very well have been risen to the level of a felony charge.

            It does not matter if the 14 year old is smitten by the 18 year old and has cooperated sexually. The fact is the three year 8 month age gap, at these ages, gives a huge amount of coercive power to the older party.

            That is why we have the laws in place to protect children under 16 years of age. They are also not allowed to make their own decisions about dropping out of school, driving, drinking alcohol etc. They are NOT just adults in immature bodies. Emotionally they are immature and easily influenced.

            Those who compare a gap at this age to a gap at older ages are ignoring the emotional maturation processes that occur through adolescence. Is that deliberate?

          • http://www.shockandblog.com/ Jay McHue

            Oh, really? So you think it’s perfectly acceptable for adults to send porn of themselves to minors?

          • jim_m

            My understanding was that they were both still high school students. I don’t think it is appropriate or wise of anyone to send nude pictures of themselves or of others period. Are you going to advocate making sexing a felony? (You just did BTW)

            Kids do a lot of things that are stupid. Making them all felonies is not the answer.

          • Jer

            Sexinf is a felony when adults do it with minors Jim.

          • jim_m

            See my comment about what the different state laws say. There is a wide variety of state laws that define what is legal and not. Some states provide legal exemption based on difference in age and some exempt relationships with adults into their mid 20′s and even up to 30.

            Simply saying that anyone older than 18 is a felon is neither accurate nor does it reflect the complexity of the issue.

          • Rdmurphy42

            Florida does. It does not, however, except a legal adult with a fourteen year old.

          • jim_m

            See the information I posted. I am speaking to all states and not one specifically,

          • http://www.shockandblog.com/ Jay McHue

            No “could be” about it. You ARE wrong. Victim’s parents completely denied the whole “they don’t want her to be gay” b.s. cooked up by the lying Hunt clan.

            And this isn’t about dating. This is about an adult having sex with a minor. Finger-banging a minor in a filthy school bathroom during class time (and possibly having a look-out) is NOT dating. Helping a minor run away from home in order to have a night of wild sex with her is NOT dating. Completely and unashamedly violating a judge’s “no contact” order and sending porn of yourself to a minor is NOT dating.

          • jim_m

            Both of those teenagers were attending the same high school meaning that (as others have suggested) a wooden reading of the law is utterly inappropriate.

            There were ways to deal with this besides a felony sex crime charge.

          • Arlene

            Who is speaking about a wooden reading of the law? This 18 year old went much, much further in her manipulative and knowingly illegal actions than most would consider. She was warned. She was told the relationship was inappropriate numerous times and still pursued it. She helped the younger girl run away and took her home for a night of sex. One could only imagine she thought consequences couldn’t possibly apply to her.

            You suggest there were ways to deal with this young and headstrong adult who would not desist upon request and who was negatively influencing a much younger teen (drugs and sex), one that was smack dab in the middle of 14 year old rebellion. What ways would you suggest might have had success that were not tried or would not have risked causing much further emotional or developmental harm to the younger girl?

            Have you dealt with a rebellious teen yourself? How about amping up that rebellion with the influence of an older teen they admire or have a crush on and who is determined to go head to head with your influence?

            Kaitlyn’s actions after the first arrest in continuing despite court orders reflect what the younger girls parents probably already knew about Kaillyn’s character. . . that the only way to possibly get her away from their daughter was to ask for police intervention.

            Besides that, at the point that the parents were informed that the relationship was sexual, under duty to report in Florida, I believe they were legally required to go to the police.

        • http://www.shockandblog.com/ Jay McHue

          Oh, okay, Chico. So your sarcasm means that we should just ignore the law. Got it.

          • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

            Just like his 0bamamessiah…

    • Retired military

      So you would have no problem with a 19 year old sleeping with your 14 year old daughter Right Chico?
      After all they are just teens not listening to their parents.

      I mean they could go to an OWS rally together

      • Joe Lagle

        I would have a problem with a 18 or 17 or 16 or 15 or 14 or anyone sleeping with my 14 year old daughter. Its not the point, They had been seeing each other for a while, since she crossed the magically birthday what they were doing suddenly become a felony. The DA is supposed to have some common sense and should judiciously apply the law. It never should have come to the point it is at.

        • Arlene

          Joe, they did not start seeing each other until Kaitlyn Hunt was 18 already. There was a false narrative originally put out by the Hunt media blitz. It was proven after the police affidavit was made public, that Kaitlyn was 18 before the school year began and before any relationship the two girls had.

          The arrest occured when she was already 18 1/2 years of age, after she had been told to stop the relationship numerous times by different adults, and after the younger girls parents were informed that the relationship was continuing and had become sexual despite their request to have it ended.

        • http://www.shockandblog.com/ Jay McHue

          So you’d be okay with an 18-year-old college freshman having sex with your 14-year-old 8th grader? That’s pretty sick.

          Kate Hunt didn’t have to cross any “magically[sic] birthday.” She turned 18 before the school year began and before she met the victim. However, even if she had turned 18 during the sexual relationship and been charged, that’s how the law works. It works that way when it comes to people becoming legal adults, it works that way when it comes to the age of consent, it works that way when it comes to drinking, smoking and driving, etc. By your idiotic “reasoning,” someone who has been drinking alcohol before age 21 should be able to get away with it simply because they had been doing it “for a while.”

          • jim_m

            Jay is the kind of mirthless tool that checks ID’s at the prom making sure that no one is over 18.

            You admit that they were both high school students. You are adamant that anyone 1 second over 18 who has sex with someone 1 second under 18 is a felon. I’d hate to be a kid in your family with a Pharisaically rigid interpretation of rules and an absolute belief that the rules are perfect and fit every situation.

            Get some perspective. This is a high school relationship and not a felony. And while the parents had the right to end it and Hunt should have dealt with that fact it is still not a felony.

          • Arlene

            It indeed is a felony, and for good reason. 18 year olds can be deliberately mean and manipulative IF they want to get their way. 18 year olds can deliberately prey on kids younger than themselves, including 14 year olds, for their own gratification.

            This 18 year old has deliberately interfered with the 14 year olds parental relationship. She has probably done untold damage to that relationship for life.

            I don’t believe that was done innocently or out of love.

          • Joe Lagle

            So, did you not read what I said. Or are you just trolling?

      • Commander_Chico

        I don’t have a daughter yet. I’m tryin’

    • stan25

      In all states and in international law, a person that is 18 years of age (male and female) are considered adults. They can do everything, but drink alcohol and gamble. So basically she could have been charged with statutory rape. So she getting off lightly. Other thing here, if a male adult did this crime, he would be already be doing 20 years and on the sex offender lists.

      • http://www.shockandblog.com/ Jay McHue

        Or he’d have taken a plea deal right off the bat.

    • Mjolnir Hammerschlag

      Not even. One is 18, an adult. The other is 14, a child and far enough apart in age to not qualify for the ‘Romeo & Juliette’ exemption.

      14 is still of tender years.

      Hunt was and is a predator. That she is also a lesbian should be of little moment.

      • jim_m

        Both high school students and their relationship was legal in 15 states. Just saying.

        • Mjolnir Hammerschlag

          1) Prove it.

          2) How is that relevant in a state where it is against the law?

          • jim_m

            The fact that they were both high school students is contained in the article above or can you not read you dumbass?

            The fact that it was legal in 15 states is contained in my link above and my point was that the law differs from state to state so saying empiracally that this is wrong happens to be rather difficult since the states cannot agree on the matter.

          • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

            Moderator Mode

            You are on the knifes edge of being banned.

            First, last, and only warning.

            /Moderator Mode

  • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

    She and her mother both need hard time.

  • Power Planters

    If after being warned twice to stay away from the victim, being arrested, charged with two felonies, the threat of being a registered sex offender and two separate no-contact orders from two different judges is not enough deterrent for an adult to keep her fingers out of a 14 year old child, then that adult is not only a sex offender, she is a predator.

  • Paul Hooson

    The legal system has to more carefully look at purely high school type relationships and the difference between clearly illegal predator relationships. Prosecutors need to more carefully decide where to prosecute or not. Prosecutors need to act more wisely if they want to adequately protect children on one hand, but also show some reason when it comes to high school romance.

    • jim_m

      If this had not been a lesbian relationship and instead the 14 YO girl had fallen in love with the son of a multimillionaire the parents would be pushing their daughter down the aisle and not prosecuting. This is about criminalizing a teenage relationship because it does not fit the picture of what the parents want for their daughter.

      Mind you, I think this Hunt girl is in need of serious psychiatric help and she has made this situation far worse than it needed to be. Still, the penalty is far out beyond what it needs to be.

      • Paul Hooson

        That’s a very reasonable view, Jim. I agree with you.

      • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

        You have evidence supporting that assertion?

        • jim_m

          Which one? That she needs psychiatric help? That seems pretty evident.

          That if this relationship were of a different nature the parents would be reacting totally differently? That is also self evident and a brief examination of human nature suffices to establish its truth. If this were a senior boyfriend and freshman girlfriend the parents would have approached this very differently.

          • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

            No, it’s not self evident. It’s an unspported assertion on your part.

            The law draws no distinction, BTW.

          • jim_m

            Yes the law doesn’t draw distinctions that is why there is prosecutorial discretion.

            Sorry, Rodney, typically I would agree with you but criminalizing adolescent behavior is not the solution here and sets a dangerous precedent for the future.

            If you wanted the girl to stay away from your daughter you could have gotten a restraining order. That would have been appropriate in this situation.

          • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

            You still have shown no evidence in support of your assertion.

          • jim_m

            I’ve given it. You just don’t like it.

          • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

            You asserted:

            If this had not been a lesbian relationship and instead the 14 YO girl had fallen in love with the son of a multimillionaire the parents would be pushing their daughter down the aisle and not prosecuting.

            Show evidence in support.

          • jim_m

            Asked and answered

          • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

            Then link to the answer providing EVIDENCE that the issue hinges on the issue you assert.

          • jim_m

            i did

          • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

            Not, or you could and would link to the EVIDENCE.

          • jim_m

            Sorry, you asked that this particular issue “hinges” on that. No I did not provide specific evidence that it does, but in general I believe that I am correct and I don’t hear anyone contradicting that.

          • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

            There is no legal exemption for homosexual/lesbian acts when it comes to statutory rape, as you already acknowledged. It is immaterial in the eyes of the law.

            Your opinion is not evidence in support of your assertion.

          • jim_m

            There are states that recognize the difference between an older adult and a minor and two teens who happen to be on opposite sides of 18. I’m shocked that there are so many people here that bitch and moan about schools and their idiotic zero tolerance policies and yet come to this issue and demand the same idiotic application of the law.

            Either we want sense to prevail in prosecution and application of the law or we don’t. You can’t have it only when convenient.

            It’s pretty sad when the only others that can recognize the need for common sense are Bruce, Chico and Paul.

          • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

            Modify the law or enforce it as written.

            0bama and Holder need no help when it comes to playing favorites with the law.

          • jim_m

            There is a proper application of prosecutorial discretion and not. When Holder dismissed charges against criminals who had already pleaded guilty he was wrong. Charging Hunt with rape because she was 18 1/2 is wrong. Charging her for violating a court order is just fine.

          • Commander_Chico

            Res ipsa loquitur.

          • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

            You still have shown no evidence in support of your assertion.

          • Mjolnir Hammerschlag

            Dude. You are in denial. One is far older than the other and an adult. It’s no longer “adolescent.”

            Face it, you’re just here to argue the case for molestation.

          • Joe Lagle

            And that is why kids who bit there pop tart in the shape of a gun get suspended. The isn’t and can’t be absolute.

          • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

            That is not a matter of law, but of policy.

            Not the same thing at all.

          • Commander_Chico

            I would guess neither of these girls are very bright.

          • jim_m

            That does seem apparent.

          • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

            You, of all our commenters, would know.

      • Jeanette Victoria

        Bull this is about a sexual predator who spotted her innocent victim who who manipulated her by flattery and abuse and who interfered with the victim family dynamics and stole this young girl innocence

        • jim_m

          So clearly you failed to read the part where I say that Hunt needs psychiatric help.

          And clearly you failed to understand the simple point I made that were the relationship a more traditional one the parents would very likely have reacted differently.

          I am not defending the relationship, I am criticizing the hysterical overreaction to it, one that misses entirely what is needed for the girl facing years in prison.

          • Jeanette Victoria

            The outraged reaction to innocence stolen by a deranged sexual predator and the ensuing media hate blitz conducted by the Hunts is completely normal. The Smiths have had their whole lives turn upside down by the Hunts media machine. They are the victims but the Hunts have turn them into the evil monsters

          • jim_m

            As I said below, a restraining order would have been the appropriate course of action, not felony sex offender charges. Yes teenagers may not be able to make good decisions but these two were schoolmates and not all that far separated in age or maturity even if one of them is technically/legally an adult.

            Criminalizing this by filing felony sexual assault charges is over the top. Criminalizing teenage sexual activity is a huge mistake. Punishing Hunt for the actions of the idiotic Gay community is wrong too.

          • jim_m

            As I said below, a restraining order would have been the appropriate course of action, not felony sex offender charges. Yes teenagers may not be able to make good decisions but these two were schoolmates and not all that far separated in age or maturity even if one of them is technically/legally an adult.

            Criminalizing this by filing felony sexual assault charges is over the top. Criminalizing teenage sexual activity is a huge mistake. Punishing Hunt for the actions of the idiotic Gay community is wrong too.

          • Jeanette Victoria

            The Smiths were left with no other choice as Kaitlyn refused to stop . Even after TWO no contact orders by the court Kaitlyn continued contact including sending the minor 25 pieces of pornography. I don’t think you know all the details of what went on.

          • jim_m

            Perhaps you are not familiar with an restraining order or an order of protection. If she had any contact (just as the current court order states) she could be held in contempt and put in jail.

            I know of all the details that you are listing. I am suggesting that there is a better way, that’s all.

          • Jeanette Victoria

            We see how well that worked out didn’t we. My prediction she will not be able to abide with the settlement

          • jim_m

            Hence my statement that she needs psychiatric help. She clearly has impulse control issues and an unhealthy obsession with this other girl. However, unlike you I actually believe that she is genuinely in love with the other girl.

          • Arlene

            If Kaitlyn was in love why would she have moved on so quickly to another girlfriend – the 27 year old?

          • Jeanette Victoria

            “Love” you are joking Kaitlyn Hunt has been living with her new 27 year-old lesbian lover since June. You know nothing about the case

          • jim_m

            Seems like the story says that she has been living in the county jail since August. Now who knows nothing?

          • Jeanette Victoria

            Nice try at defecting. The fact is Kaitlyn moved in with her lesbian lover right after graduation.

          • wendiroo79

            Maybe the Smith’s should have garnered more respect from their daughter so that she too would have stopped engaging in this consensual relationship between high school classmates. You can’t realistically expect that kids who go to the same school won’t date. I do agree that Kate should not have ignored the court order, but it shouldn’t have been taken to a felony level either. Maybe the Smith’s should spend more time listening to their daughter instead of trying to control her and she wouldn’t be so quick to engage in behaviors that they don’t approve of. And maybe if they took more time to understand their daughter, they would realize that it’s not the end of the world if their daughter has sexual experiences or ends up bisexual or gay.

          • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

            Kate and her Mother need hard time.

          • Arlene

            There are biological processes that cause rebellion in teenagers and some of us are much worse than others through this. I was horrid. It was not my parents fault and they could have bent and swayed in every direction I would have taken them and I still would have been just horrid. Nothing they could say or do was right and I, or my friends, knew better and of course my parents were dumb and out of touch./sarc

            I had been sexually assaulted as a preteen which may have played into that, but I worked with teens for years and I will suggest that some are just horribly rebelliious no matter what the parents do and even when they had a solid relationship going into those years.

            If you would have payed attention to what the younger girls parents had said you would know that they have no issues with their daughter being gay. Some of us with gay or bisexual children are like that (even us conservative Christian types). ;)

          • Mjolnir Hammerschlag

            Why are you whining?

            All those pesky laws interfering with pedo-bear action?

            Did Chris Hansen ever surprise you with a film crew and ask you to ‘have a seat?’

          • Mjolnir Hammerschlag

            Why are you whining?

            All those pesky laws interfering with pedo-bear action?

            Did Chris Hansen ever surprise you with a film crew and ask you to ‘have a seat?’

          • Oysteria

            Um, Jim, you keep repeating the nature of the relationship. In this case, lesbian. And stating that had the 18 year old been a male from a rich family the parents would have reacted differently – pushing her down the aisle as it were. If you had a 14 year old daughter, would you be pushing her down the aisle? You (probably unintentionally) sound like you’re blaming the 14 year old’s parents for a law you disagree with.

            I’m sorry, but I disagree totally. I think the age of 14 is the reason why. If the younger one was 16 or 17, I might agree with you. I don’t know a parent that would encourage their 14 year old to continue a sexual relationship with anyone – gay, straight, rich, poor or otherwise. I’m not saying there aren’t any out there, but not as many as you make it sound like when you say “likely” or “probably”.

            But this shouldn’t have any bearing on the case. And it seems to me that the parents of the 14 year old tried to handle it first without the police.

            Furthermore, you state that a restraining order would have been appropriate. It seems, from what I’ve read, the the 18 year old is disturbed as evidenced from her subsequent behavior. Maybe the parents saw that long before Kaitlyn’s supporters went wild.

            There’s a reason why the laws make exceptions for certain age groups. Human development studies are what have determined it. Not everyone develops at the same rate during the same years, but we can’t make fifty thousand laws for the same offense based solely on whether this 14 year old is ahead of that 14 year old developmentally by 6 months. That some states have generalized it more is obvious, but it doesn’t change the laws of human development. Look back to your high school years and remember the difference between the freshmen and the seniors. They were worlds apart, weren’t they? Physically and emotionally.

        • jim_m

          You know if this were a much older person and not just another high school student I would not necessarily disagree with your characterization of Hunt as a predator, but they were high school students and I am not aware that she has shown this sort of behavior with anyone else making the accusation of predator more than a little extreme.

          • Jeanette Victoria

            20,000 texts and 25 pieces of porn and secret hook up near Victim’s home, verbal abuse of victim all after the No contact order…show that Kaitlyn can not control herself. She is a textbook case of a sexual predator.

          • jim_m

            Or a textbook case of an obsessed, hormone driven teenager but then you’re obviously incapable of drawing that sort of distinction. I don’t suppose you ever spent much time around teenagers (even when you were one).

  • Jeanette Victoria

    The supporters of Kaitlyn Hunt are seriously deranged. One even sent a FAX and email to the chief of police here where I live complaining I was slandering and harassing the Hunts and part of a hate group supporthonesty.net/‎ (it’s not a group it’s a webpage by an anon person). One person even filed a police report on me for cyber stalking. Because you know telling the truth is clearly defamation

    • Paul Hooson

      Extremist views by some are not helpful to what should be a carefully crafted and thoughtful opinion by the local prosecutor here.

  • Lawrence Westlake

    Seems like a waste of taxpayer dollars. A gross misallocation of public resources, too. Meanwhile somewhere else in Florida a hard core criminal is being paroled or is being given probation on account of lack of public funds. That all said, this Hunt girl obviously is a miscreant, her parents obviously are waste cases, and the former support Hunt received from the LGBT community is all too predictable, given that the LGBT community with rare exceptions is a collection of lunatics.

    • http://www.shockandblog.com/ Jay McHue

      The “this is a waste of time/money/resources because there are worse crimes happening RIGHT NOW” argument is completely disingenuous. By that absurd reasoning, we shouldn’t pursue any other crimes — say, speeding — because there are murders past and present to solve.

    • Retired military

      There goes some cavier to go with the grey poupon and the escargot.

  • Retired military

    Isnt it strange that it seems the same folks who have little or no problem with this person even though she violated the law somehow have the audacity to stand up and scream that Obamacare is the law and it should be followed.

    • jim_m

      Actually, I would say the same for those here screaming that she should be locked up because “it’s the law and if you don’t like it change it” are the same ones whining that we should defund obamacare and how wrong obamacare is despite that we cannot repeal it. They are the same ones who cry and moan that zero tolerance is stupid and yet believe that there should be no opportunity for prosecutorial discretion here.

      The law is not to be blindly followed and used to obtusely punish people. That leads to disrespect for the law and for the government that enforces it. Prosecutors have been given discretion in order to prevent stupid things like sending a girl to prison for having a sexual relationship with a classmate.

      • Retired military

        Jim
        My opinion is this person is a pedophile. No difference. Sure the 14 year old was willing but that doesn’t matter to me. 14 is not the age of consent. Sure 14 year olds can get abortions without parents permission but if they miss school the parents will damn sure get pulled in on truancy charges.

        Should she be locked up. If I was on the jury I would find her guilty.

        The Obamacare thing is part of the budgetary process. Show me where the law states that Congress has to fund Obamacare. It doesn’t. For those who say “it’s the law, do it” I say look at the orginal law. The one that Obama has changed without the legislative process on numerous occasions by executive fiat.

        • jim_m

          Somehow I have a real hard time saying that a HS Senior dating a Freshman is a case of pedophilia. There would be a truck load of my classmates who belong in prison if that is your criteria. My God, think of all the college freshman girls who were not yet 18. All their boyfriends are rapists and pedophiles according to you and Rodney.

          As I said elsewhere, there are states that recognize this fact and either refrain from prosecuting or have codified this in law that recognizes that students just 3-4 years apart in age are still classmates.

          And I agree that there is nothing that compels funding of obamacare. I have made that argument myself, but the point is that obamacare supporters scream “it’s the law” and others say “so what” and those same others are now screaming “it’s the law!” and have absolutely no self awareness of their hypocrisy.

          • Arlene

            Your senior/freshman premise is a stretch as most seniors are not 18 their full senior year and most juniors are not 14. Suggesting ‘truckloads’ of your classmates would belong in prison has to be a gross exaggeration.

            I worked with teenagers in schools for years. Over many years in schools I can not think of one 18 year old as having a known relationship with a 14 year old or even a 15 year old. Seniors (mostly 17 year olds) dating freshmen were not a common occurance. Sex amongst this group would be even less common.

            In my experience in schools with teenagers, if a senior was found out to be targetting the youngest in the school as he considered them easy to coerce for sex usually he was ratted out by people his own age as that behaviour is considered creepy. We have mandated reporting to the police and parents if activity is reported to staff.

            In my own high school years the one 18 year old who eyed the younger girls was schooled by the other senior males about what would happen if he followed up on any sexual intentions.

          • jim_m

            Well, in this case it is not a stretch as it happens to be the way it was. No, there were not a lot of seniors with freshmen. There were a LOT of juniors and freshmen.

            There are a lot of 18 YO seniors. It is much more common to hold back your child if they were born late in the year. Children born after Sept 1 could be held back in my area. That means that up to a third of all seniors could be 18.

          • Mjolnir Hammerschlag

            You comport yourself like that in the real world, you will be on the Register and get a permanent ankle bracelet.

            For all we know, you are wearing one right now.

          • Mjolnir Hammerschlag

            You comport yourself like that in the real world, you will be on the Register and get a permanent ankle bracelet.

            For all we know, you are wearing one right now.

          • Retired military

            Jim
            How about a 14 year old with a 10 year old. It is only 4 years difference?
            What about 22 year old teacher and 18 year old high school student? it is only 4 years.
            If they want to date then I don’t have a problem with it. Sex is another thing altogether. It is illegal and is so for a reason.
            Guess we have to agree to disagree.

          • jim_m

            Take a look at the laws I quoted and the link I posted. Most of these laws apply to 14-17 year olds.

            I don’t think this is simple. I really disagree with those who say “It’s the law” and demand some wooden literal interpretation and enforcement. I don’t think that this should be a felony but do not disagree with the plea deal.

            Many states have laws that specifically address teachers or people acting in loco parentis. I think those laws are appropriate in that they are more strict than the regular consent laws.

          • Mjolnir Hammerschlag

            What? You are STILL peddling child molestation?

            Chester.

          • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

            Banned

          • Oysteria

            Good.

          • Mjolnir Hammerschlag

            What? You are STILL peddling child molestation?

            Chester.

  • jim_m

    Some food for thought…

    RM has said that this is pedophilia. 30 states have an age of consent that is 16, 9 have an age of consent of 17. That means that legal sex can be construed as pedophilia in 39 states according to RM.

    Many states recognize that teenagers sometimes have sex and have accommodated their laws to this fact.

    Arkansas sex between an 18 YO and a minor 14 or older is legal.

    Alabama the age of consent (AOC) is 16 but it isn’t illegal if the older partner is less than 2 years older than the younger.

    Alaska AOC is 16 but isn’t illegal if partners are less than 3 years apart

    California AOC is 18 but sex is a misdemeanoor if they are less than 3 years apart (two consenting partners of the same age could both be charged under the law)

    Colorado AOC is 17 BUT a 15 YO can consent to someone not older than 19 and a 16YO can consent to someone not older than 26!

    Connecticut AOC is 16 but anyone over 13 can consent to someone not more than 3 years older and 2 minors 13 and under can consent f they are less than 2 years apart.

    Delaware AOC is 18 but 16 and 17 YO can consent to partners less than 30!

    District of Columbia AOC is 16 but there is an exemption for partners less than 4 years apart..

    Florida AOC is 18 but a 16-17 YO can consent to someone under 23.

    Hawaii AOC is 16 with a close in age exemption of up to 5 years.

    Illinois AOC is 17 with a 5 years close in age exemption

    I could go on and on
    The law on this matter is all over the place. There is a plurality of states where this was perfectly legal activity. People need to grow up, get informed and stop freaking out.

    • jim_m

      Fact remains that in 15 states plus the District of Columbia this could have been considered completely legal. Nationwide, those laws are also trending toward making this relationship legal and not the other way around.

      Criminalizing teenage behavior is not the way to deal with this.

    • Retired military

      Jim
      I said this particular case was pedophilia.
      Age of consent is set by states and is so for a reason.
      I have an issue with a 18 year old with a 16 year old where 16 is the age of consent. Is it pedophilia? That would be more a case that I would have to think long and hard on.

      But 18 and 14 doesn’t require much thinking in my book. And if my 14 year old daughter was involved than I would be having a hard time not having a talking to the 18 year old no matter whether legal or not. I would also be having a nice long conversation with my daughter but of a different type than the 18 year old.

      • jim_m

        I’m not looking at it strictly though the lens of age but also from the stand point that they wee both at the same high school. In that event the relative maturity was probably not that different and I think that is borne out by the actions of Hunt.

        As I have said, this lies one the border of acceptability. I think that the prosecutor’s offer is just and I think that the felony charge is not in this case. Hunt is clearly messed up, I do not think that either she or society is best served by making an example of her to prove some empty ideological point.

      • jim_m

        I’m not looking at it strictly though the lens of age but also from the stand point that they wee both at the same high school. In that event the relative maturity was probably not that different and I think that is borne out by the actions of Hunt.

        As I have said, this lies one the border of acceptability. I think that the prosecutor’s offer is just and I think that the felony charge is not in this case. Hunt is clearly messed up, I do not think that either she or society is best served by making an example of her to prove some empty ideological point.

      • jim_m

        I’m not looking at it strictly though the lens of age but also from the stand point that they wee both at the same high school. In that event the relative maturity was probably not that different and I think that is borne out by the actions of Hunt.

        As I have said, this lies one the border of acceptability. I think that the prosecutor’s offer is just and I think that the felony charge is not in this case. Hunt is clearly messed up, I do not think that either she or society is best served by making an example of her to prove some empty ideological point.

    • Mjolnir Hammerschlag

      All you whining about other states is IRRELEVANT,

      What is relevant is the law of the State where the crime took place. You have a child of tender years who CANNOT legally give consent and a predatory adult, A classic case of sex crime,

      And, for the Romeo & Juliet exceptions, they don’t provide for what is effectively a 4 year difference in ages.

      Coincidentally enough, the Gay Rights Agenda of 1972, the North American Man/Boy Love Association and its more recent incarnation, B4U-ACT are peddling the same trash as your one-man campaign here.

      Care to explain why?

    • Mjolnir Hammerschlag

      All you whining about other states is IRRELEVANT,

      What is relevant is the law of the State where the crime took place. You have a child of tender years who CANNOT legally give consent and a predatory adult, A classic case of sex crime,

      And, for the Romeo & Juliet exceptions, they don’t provide for what is effectively a 4 year difference in ages.

      Coincidentally enough, the Gay Rights Agenda of 1972, the North American Man/Boy Love Association and its more recent incarnation, B4U-ACT are peddling the same trash as your one-man campaign here.

      Care to explain why?

  • Mjolnir Hammerschlag

    WHY, when the repetition of her crimes is so clear, are they offering her such a light sentence?

    Incredible.

    • jim_m

      For the simple fact that there are a lot of people who will see her as a high school senior and not an adult and she will be hard to convict for the maximum charge so the Asst State’s Atty is making a sensible offer.

      Incredible is people like you who would apply the law inflexibly and punish a person to prove an ideological point.

    • Commander_Chico

      In the Scandinavian countries you take your handle from, this would not be a crime at all. In fact, they’d probably get a merit badge.

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  • john98carter

    Seal or expunge this case??? Like almost EVERONE knows her and can bring up her conviction??? All it takes is one person in a company to flag her and it’s game over.

  • damon hicks

    mar·tyr

    ˈmärtər/Submit

    noun

    1.

    a person who is killed because of their religious or other beliefs.

    “saints, martyrs, and witnesses to the faith”

    So the lesbian was killed ? she must have been to call her a martyr. So now you can become a martyr because you want to break the law to get your freak on; I guess they will have to change the dictionary definition or start calling all the pedophiles killed in prison “Martyrs”.

    idiot…

  • Todd Kellogg

    Common sense and our own upbringings tell us that kids in high school date and have relationships.

    • jim_m

      Unthinking idiots want to make it a felony.

    • http://www.shockandblog.com/ Jay McHue

      I’m sorry, but when did finger-banging minors under the age of consent in filthy school bathrooms during class time become “dating?”

  • mikegiles

    Simple enough. Just ask how you’d see this case if it were an 18 year old boy and your 14 year old daughter.

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