Remembering Nelson Mandela Fail

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WDIV in Detroit somehow confused anti-apartheid hero Nelson Mandela with New York Yankee steroid user Alex Rodriguez. Morgan Friedman might be understandable, but A-Rod? That’s serious fail…

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Posted by on December 6, 2013.
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  • Commander_Chico

    That’s kooky.

    Mandela was a good guy. If someone put me in prison for 20 years, I would have been out for revenge on the ones who put me in, but he forgave.

    • warnertoddhuston

      Mandela was a communist. I do not celebrate communists.

      • LanceThruster

        Well, thankfully the world is a little more thoughtful.

      • LanceThruster

        Well, thankfully the world is a little more thoughtful.

      • Commander_Chico

        Yeah that was the right-wing apartheid supporter propaganda line on him, he was a communist.

        He didn’t end up running SA as a communist, though, SA businesses and the economy did very well during his presidency.

        Take the blinders off, Mandela was in the mold of Jefferson or Washington. A brave and decent guy.

      • Commander_Chico

        Yeah that was the right-wing apartheid supporter propaganda line on him, he was a communist.

        He didn’t end up running SA as a communist, though, SA businesses and the economy did very well during his presidency.

        Take the blinders off, Mandela was in the mold of Jefferson or Washington. A brave and decent guy.

        • jim_m

          Mandela owned slaves? Who knew.

          • Commander_Chico

            Yeah I guess he was better than Jefferson or Washington in that way.

          • jim_m

            Well yeah, plus Jefferson and Washington both believed in private ownership of property, that would be a serious strike against them. Mandela didn’t believe that people should be allowed to own land, THAT belonged to the government.

            Mandela wanted to nationalize a LOT of things but understood that doing so would have crushed SA’s economy. It wasn’t that he had some great vision that would lead to prosperity, In fact he understood that his vision would lead to massive poverty and decided that politically it was safer to not do it.

            His vision was to nationalize all banks and all land. He wanted complete and total income equalization. About the only thing you can say is that he decided that he would rather be rich than an ideologue living in a slum.

  • Par4Course

    Clueless in Detroit – what a surprise.

  • jim_m

    Yeah, I’d say that even beats the WH which mistakenly tweeted a picture of obama.

    Oh wait, that wasn’t a mistake. Never mind. Being an arrogant ass like obama is worse,.

  • stan25

    Another Commie bites the dust.

    • LanceThruster

      Thanks to those who supported an apartheid regime which brought them to power.

      At least South African apartheid bit the dust in part thanks to the leadership, courage, and tenacity of Nelson Mandela.

      • jim_m

        Not much. He spent most of his time in prison. Couldn’t do that much to organize for the defeat of Apartheid from there. He was a figurehead and when he emerged from prison his political ideas were essentially uninformed by 20 years of communist decline and failure.

        About the best the can be said is that he allowed pragmatism to win out and avoided dictatorship and letting the country devolve into violence and kleptocracy which are typical hallmarks of post colonial Africa.

        • Brucehenry

          Ooooh you deep thinkers are such iconoclasts!

          Mandela’s “vision was to nationalize all banks and all land,” you say… But he, ummm…didn’t do those things.

          Instead he skillfully led his country through a time that could easily have been a bloodbath but wasn’t. The concept of the Truth and Reconciliation Commissions, which he practically invented, was instrumental in achieving peace and a great measure of prosperity, and has been used in other countries emerging from civil strife with a pretty good record of success (Sri Lanka, for one, although there has been some recent trouble.)

          He could have gone the Mugabe route. Some of his supporters were urging him to do so. He didn’t. Instead, like Washington, he left office peacefully after a relatively short time and established a precedent for a pacific transition of power that is so far being followed.

          He eschewed revenge and didn’t create a refugee crisis. He set an example that statesmen will try to emulate for many years. He was beloved by his people, and even his old Boer adversaries speak only well of him today.

          But not the conservatives in this comment section. Shame on you ignorant haters.

          • jim_m

            As I said, he decided to be rich rather than an ideologue living in a slum.

            I don’t hate Mandela. I just think that he was a very flawed man, like most every other. What amazes me is that you on the left feel that you should be able to denigrate every conservative figure who dies, heck, you are openly celebrating when it happens, but then you think that you should be immune from people doing the same thing to your icons. Sorry, you want respect, start showing some. Right now you have earned enough disrespect to last a couple of decades at least.

          • Brucehenry

            You might have a point but I, personally, don’t do that. But you, personally, did.

            Or at least Stan did. You only called him a commie and implied he was a political coward, neither of which, if one judges him by his actions, he was.

          • LanceThruster

            Are you, in fact, Sarah Palin, because that word salad was truly all over the map?

            My buddy, Bernie the Attorney explained it as the 180 Rule wherein you accuse others of those traits most pronounced in yourself.

            “I am not a saint, unless you think of a saint as a sinner who keeps on trying.” ― Nelson Mandela

            He certainly possessed more introspection and humility than you seem to display, with or without a slum existence.

          • jim_m

            Wow, most educated people would refer to that as projection. But then you have already in just a couple of days demonstrated that you are a juvenile idiot. Don’t let mommy come own in the basement and catch you on her computer.

          • LanceThruster

            I guess your idiocy is of the more mature variety as you have clearly been at it for an extended period of time. Probably a natural-born talent, by golly.

            Projection is certainly an aspect of it…but it goes beyond that. It’s like a decoder ring for the Reich Wing. It’s like when Hannity, Rush, or some other bloviating gasbag pouts about ‘name calling’ or some such thing.

          • jim_m

            Complaining about name calling is rich from the child that got one of his very first posts pulled for vulgar name calling.

            Glass houses, etc, etc.

            One need only take a brief look at your full profile to see that your comments are utterly devoid of any serious argument. It is completely juvenile vulgarity and ad hominem attacks. You’re wasting everyone’s time here.

          • LanceThruster

            I don’t doubt that my time is being wasted here, just not for the reasons you think. I am grateful to The Rude Pundit for cluing me in on this brain trust repository.

            In checking your posting history, you’ve certainly got me beat on quantity, though I gave up on my scanning of your posts for anything of interest. It looked pretty much like typical preaching to the choir.

          • Brucehenry

            I think you should hang around. If you do, you’ll see Jim here, because he comments on each and every thread.

            Jim is an OK guy, but he has no patience with, or empathy for, anyone or anything outside his own experience. He doesn’t understand how anyone can see the world through anything but white, middle-class, Christian lenses. And don’t get him started on those mooches on ‘the left,” Jim’s favorite whipping boy. After all, if Jim can pull himself up by the bootstraps on the boots he was handed at birth, why can’t everyone?

            And he’s not interested in discussion or even debate. No, he wants a verbal sparring match, where he keeps score and declares himself a winner, or his “opponent” a loser, about 3 or 4 comments into each thread. If you fail to say the things he needs you to say so he can “win” the debate, he’ll just claim that that’s what you REALLY mean, despite whatever it is you actually say.

            On the other hand, if the weather is bad it’s a way to kill a few hours.

          • jim_m

            That’s not true. I do have empathy, but not for lefties.

            And BTW I was raised as an atheist.

          • Brucehenry

            Swear to God?

          • jim_m

            Yep. Found religion in college. It was the wild fraternity living that converted me.

            And seriously, you can do a lot better to represent your leftist views than thruster here. Look at his comments on his profile. They are juvenile and vulgar. Every last one. If that is how you want liberal ideas displayed and defended then I suppose that is your business.

          • Brucehenry

            No more juvenile and vulgar than some of our own here, just slanted in a different direction.

            It ain’t everybody that’s philosopher-poets like you and me, Jim.

          • jim_m

            I failed to find a single comment that was anything more than what I have stated. And I’m not asking for great literature here, but I would prefer someone who didn’t immediately go to characterizing people as “Tea baggers” as this troll did.

          • Brucehenry

            Just lie back on the fainting couch and I’ll have someone fetch the smelling salts.

          • LanceThruster

            It’s their own damn name.

          • LanceThruster

            Every last one?

            How about some examples?

            Yours are merely insipid for the most part.

          • LanceThruster

            It was the wild fraternity living that converted me.

            I was raised Catholic. It was the unsupported evidence of claims of “revealed knowledge” that un-converted me.

          • LanceThruster

            Yet…even as an atheist, there are religionists that inspire me.

            http://telling-secrets.blogspot.com/2013/12/nelson-and-desmond.html

          • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

            Talking to yourself, we note with amusement, but no surprise…

          • LanceThruster

            Who’s this “we” you speak of? You got a mouse in your pocket?

            There’s a reason why conservatives fail at humor and satire. They are so horrible at it. You make my case quite amply.

          • LanceThruster

            I hope he doesn’t injure himself patting himself on the back so vigorously.

            xD

          • jim_m

            Wow, most educated people would refer to that as projection. But then you have already in just a couple of days demonstrated that you are a juvenile idiot. Don’t let mommy come own in the basement and catch you on her computer.

          • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

            Are you, in fact, Barack Obama, because what you just read from your teleprompter was word salad in a blender.

          • LanceThruster

            Thanks for the comparison RG, but I comed up with my verbiage meself.

          • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

            I believe you when you type:

            but I [sic] comed up with my verbiage [sic] meself.

            and if you think comparisons to teh w0n is a compliment, I’ll leave you to your happy ignorance.

          • LanceThruster

            Are you ‘unhappy’ with yours (i.e. ignorance)?

            Nice spelling flame, Rod. Guess the snark was too subtle.

          • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

            As you say, spear catcher.

          • LanceThruster

            What-what-waa?

            Humor is clearly not your strong suit. Is there anything you’re good at?

        • LanceThruster

          How ironic (or not) that in your concern for the kleptocracy that did not materialize post-apartheid, you failed to mention the preceding kleptocracy that is the hallmark of African colonialism.

          What a selective worldview you possess.

  • LiberalNightmare

    When a political figurehead such as Nelson Mandela passes,we are tempted to reflect on the death in terms of how we are affected personally. This is a mistake.

    What is really important in this circumstance is to reflect on how Obama can take advantage of the death to further his agenda.

  • Par4Course

    What’s really important is that Mandela inspired BH Obama – just ask Obama. While Mandela may have done some good for his country by assisting in a non-violent transition from Apartheid, Mandela’s administration was liberal, corrupt and ignored serious problems, including a high crime rate and AIDS/HIV epidemic. He was also a communist, as many others have pointed out. Now I understand in how many ways he was Obama’s inspiration.