Liberals Outraged: Kansas Allowing Concealed Carry Guns in Public Buildings

One state, at least, is beginning to understand what the “right to bear arms” really means. Kansas is now allowing citizens with legal, concealed carry firearms licenses to carry their arms inside public buildings. And liberals are screaming bloody murder.

Logically thinking Kansans note that the new law will likely make many public buildings safer as crooks and mass murderers may find themselves a tad more reluctant to try shooting up a building if they can’t be sure how many others are armed inside.

The new law did give cities that wanted to further explore their options a way to temporarily opt out of the law allowing concealed carry (CC) in public spaces. Claiming a four-year exemption, some city and county governments are still denying CC license holders to carry in some public buildings.

The law also gives governments the option to completely bar CC guns inside, but they are required to install metal detectors and other security devices to facilitate this permanent exemption.

This is where liberals are losing it. They claim that requiring governments to pay for these security devices is somehow an “unfair burden” on the government.

“It’s unfair to the taxpayer to ask them to fork out those kinds of dollars,” said Wichita City Councilwoman Janet Miller said. “There is no municipality in the state of Kansas that can afford those infrastructure costs.”

Of course, they have that backwards. What is unfair is denying legal CC holders to be able to satisfy their Constitutional right anywhere they go. THAT is the unfairness, here.

So, here’s an idea, Mz Miller. DON’T spend the money, allow CC guns in public buildings and allow your citizens their Constitutional rights. That seems like a pretty easy solution to your worry about spending tax money.

The citizens of the Sunflower State are really stepping up their interests in their Constitutional rights, too. CC applications have soared.

“Kansas set a state record for concealed-carry interest last year with 24,000 applicants,” The New York Times reported. “Since the Legislature passed its first concealed-weapons law in 2006, more than 75,000 residents have received the license, which requires eight hours of training.”

Good for Kansas, eh?

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Posted by on January 13, 2014.
Filed under Big government, Constitutional Issues, Democrats, Gun control.
Warner Todd Huston is a Chicago-based freelance writer, has been writing opinion editorials and social criticism since early 2001 and is featured on many websites such as Andrew Breitbart's BigGovernment.com and BigJournalism.com, RightWingNews.com, CanadaFreePress.com, RightPundits.com, StoptheACLU.com, Human Events Magazine, among many, many others. Additionally, he has been a frequent guest on talk-radio programs to discuss his opinion editorials and current events. He has also written for several history magazines and appears in the new book "Americans on Politics, Policy and Pop Culture" which can be purchased on amazon.com. He is also the owner and operator of PubliusForum.com. Feel free to contact him with any comments or questions, EMAIL Warner Todd Huston: igcolonel .at. hotmail.com "The only end of writing is to enable the reader better to enjoy life, or better to endure it." --Samuel Johnson

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  • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

    Ah, the sweet, sweet smell of progressive angst.

  • Hank_M

    Liberals complaining about the cost of legislation?

    • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

      Bearded Spock universe is at hand…

    • stan25

      They are complaining spending that money on security is money that is not going to food stamps and other Santa Claus benefits.

      • jim_m

        More like money not going to the next Solyndra.

  • alanstorm

    ““It’s unfair to the taxpayer to ask them to fork out those kinds of dollars,” said Wichita City Councilwoman Janet Miller said. “There is no municipality in the state of Kansas that can afford those infrastructure costs.”

    Ms. Miller, if you don’t allow people to defend themselves, them you are responsible for their safety.

    I know, the concept of “responsibility” is hard for lefties, but try.

  • 914

    Good! Let the little whiners bitch.

  • Lawrence Westlake

    This isn’t surprising, on any front. Kansas has overwhelmingly a GOP state legislature. It also has a GOP governor. Legislatures pass laws. Governors either sign them or veto them. Dog bites man. All elections matter, whether for the state assembly or for the presidency. And of course leftists are in high dudgeon mode. That goes without saying. Leftism is a mental disorder, not a legitimate political ideology.

  • jim_m

    As usual, the left complains that it’s just too darn expensive to let you have your rights. Living in a totalitarian state is so much cheaper.

  • LiberalNightmare

    “It’s unfair to the taxpayer to ask them to fork out those kinds of dollars,” said Wichita City Councilwoman Janet Miller said. “There is no municipality in the state of Kansas that can afford those infrastructure costs.”


    It is interesting to me that the tax payer is expected to pay for the apparatus that is used to deny the same tax payer his rights.

  • SteveCrickmore075

    By all means, the right to bear concealed guns should be expanded to include every public bullding, in the US, then, heated arguments over trivial matters could be settled much more quickly, by the the most ‘go-to-guy’ or in other words, the most short-tempered, second amendment waving conservative, nutbar when he is in possession of a gun.

    • Hank_M

      “then, heated arguments over trivial matters could be resolved much more quickly”

      Good point. They should amend the law then to prohibit liberals from carrying.

    • jim_m

      Trust Steve to respond with a comment that is devoid of any rational relationship to reality.

      Studies show that CCW holders commit fewer crimes http://www.beaufortobserver.net/Articles-NEWS-and-COMMENTARY-c-2012-12-22-264494.112112-Texas-study-Concealed-carry-permit-holders-commit-less-than-1-of-the-crimes.html

      They even commit fewer murders than police officers http://gunwatch.blogspot.com/2013/10/concealed-carry-permit-holders-are-one.html

      • SteveCrickmore075

        You are talking about ‘justifiable homicides’ mnnnnnnn being down with CCW holders as opposed to pólice officers. The report, titled “Shoot First: ‘Stand Your Ground Laws and Their Effect on Violent Crime and the Criminal Justice System,” found that states with such laws have seen their “justifiable homicide” rate rise by an average of 53 percent in five years following their passage. Over the same period, states without such laws saw justifiable homicides fall by an average of 5 percent http://www.southernstudies.org/2013/09/homicides-soar-in-states-with-stand-your-ground-la.html

        • jim_m

          Sorry, a study by Bloomberg’s Mayors Against Guns organization is not credible.

          Nor does it claim that CCW holders are committing any of these crimes.

        • jim_m

          From the study

          states with such laws have seen their “justifiable homicide” rate rise by an average of 53 percent in five years following their passage.

          Not that murder rate went up, but those categorized as “justifiable” went up. In other words people were no longer going to prison for defending themselves.

          More importantly, more black people are not going to jail because of these laws. What Bloomberg is saying is that the laws are bad because we are not putting black people in jail disproportionately.

          They further note that where murder has gone up it has gone up in non gun related murders as well, indicating an outside cause for the increase in murder rate that cannot be attributable to guns because guns were not used in the crimes.

          So, as I said, the study is not credible. It advocates for a blatantly racist outcome. It conflates non-gun related murders as being caused by weak gun laws.

          Only morons are fooled by such things.

        • jim_m

          I was talking about homicides period. You have yet to show a study where CCW holders commit more crimes. You have yet to show where CCW laws lead to more homicides. You study shows that homicides from all causes increased with stand your ground. It also showed that more homicides were categorized as justifiable which is arguably a good thing. Or do you really just want to throw a bunch of innocent black people in prison?

    • Vagabond661

      “short-tempered, second amendment waving conservative, nutbar”…name one.

      It would be easier to find a short-tempered, foul-mouthed, roe vs wade waving liberal who will shoot up the place.

      • SteveCrickmore075

        I suppose to you guys, this retired Swat captain wannabe vigilante Curtis Reeves was a classic liberal, showing liberal outrage, since he had worked much of his life for the state..

        • jim_m

          The shooter is identified as a retired cop.

          Nowhere does it say if he was a CCW permit holder.

          Nowhere does it say anything about his politics, right or left.

          What this does do is point out the validity of my link that shows that police are 3x more likely to commit murder than the average citizen with a ccw permit.

          • Brucehenry

            It’s entirely possible this white 71 year old retired police captain is a moonbat pinko Obama voter — but I bet he ain’t. Anyone want to give me odds?

            In any case, whether he was a CCW holder or not, whether Democrat, Republican, Libertarian, or Green, I FURTHER bet he considered himself a “responsible gun owner,” don’t you?

            Right up to the moment he snapped.

          • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

            Your assertions are your’s, and no one else’s, to PROVE.

          • Brucehenry

            Is that to me or Jim? lol.

          • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

            If you were competent the date stamp would have told you that…

          • Brucehenry

            Joke.

            You’re doing a terrific job.

          • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

            Your not competent at that, either.

          • Brucehenry

            “You’re”

          • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

            Congratulations. You’re correct for once.

          • jim_m

            Which means that a stopped clock is correct twice as often.

          • jim_m

            Which means that a stopped clock is correct twice as often.

          • http://wizbangblog.com/author/rodney-graves/ Rodney G. Graves

            Congratulations. You’re correct for once.

          • jim_m

            You are the only one making baseless assertions like a troll on this thread. (well, maybe steve too, but he’s not being so much a troll as he is just foolish)

          • Brucehenry

            I made a “bet” as did you.

            BTW your “baseless assertions” are sensible and you could very well be right. Make sense to me.

          • jim_m

            I posted an example of an arrogant cop to back up my assertions. What links have you posted on this thread to back up yours?

            None. That’s how many you have on this thread, Mr Troll.

          • Brucehenry

            OK Jim. You’re right. Whatever.

          • jim_m

            And don’t forget it Mr Troll.

          • Brucehenry

            It’s not likely that I will, RM, erm , errr, I mean Jim.

          • jim_m

            There is nothing to tell either way. Usually, if it is the other way(ie the shooter is conservative) we get fed that info straight away and if the person is a lefty nobody ever say a word.

            I bet that he believes as a retired cop he is better trained than anyone else and that he doesn’t bother to practice, train or do anything to maintain his skills other than putting the gun in his pocket.

            I’d further bet that he is given the right to carry based on being a retired cop and never had to pass any tests like your average citizen.

            Plus, we already know how safe cops are with guns: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=am-Qdx6vky0

          • Vagabond661

            Not knowing all the facts except what the prosecution is putting out there, it’s hard to say what happened.

            However, it is obvious it is time to outlaw the real cause of the problem not only here but all over the nation….cell phones.

            They have already caused multiple deaths in car, truck and train accidents. I saw one girl fall headfirst into a mall fountain. She could have drowned! And now one has caused a death in a movie theater, despite multiple warnings against cell phone use by the theater itself!

            How many more have to die until people wake up. How many families hav….have…..to….uh…hold on. I need to take this one.

          • Brucehenry

            Funny, but I felt a little guilty laughing. Which I did.

          • jim_m

            The NSA wouldn’t be violating everyone’s rights if it weren’t for cell phones!

            [Sorry, that should have been in response to Vagabond]

          • SteveCrickmore075

            The retired cop was cited in an official report as being “inflexible ” which got in the way of resolution of problems, who saw all issues as “black and white.” He ran a tight ship department, a “nuts n bolts” individual who founded and ran the Tampa Bay swat squad for many years- If you know anything about swat squads they are not liberal -friendly ..He had snapped at a neighbor for loud stereo music in retirement, and was active in a neigborhood watch program, a la Zimmerman. Sound like the angry, conservative “the country is going to hell in a handbasket”, wizbang poster child to me!

          • jim_m

            Sounds like a lot of dirtbag lefty projection to me. There are a lot of cops in management/quasi political positions who are very far left. Virtually all of the CPD management is on the far left. This guy could have been a candidate for commissioner in Chicago for all we know. You make assertions without any evidence and then demand that we act on those assertions.

            I posted arguments with links which you have studiously avoided responding to.

            I addressed the bogus claim that murder was going up due to gun crime in your ideologically driven Bloomberg study. But you couldn’t be bothered to respond to that criticism. You won’t engage. You just post your lefty propaganda and when someone shots holes in it (so to speak) you run away.

          • jim_m

            Idiot. Zimmerman voted twice for obama and yet you are calling him a right wing nutbag.

            How stupid are you really?

    • Brett Buck

      Given that most of the crazy shooter types are actually liberal foamers-at-the-mouth, that doesn’t make a lot of sense. As usual.

  • http://www.traveLightgame.com/ ljcarolyne

    You go Kansas: Praise the Lord and pass the ammo! LOL

  • http://www.traveLightgame.com/ ljcarolyne

    You go Kansas: Praise the Lord and pass the ammo! LOL

  • SteveCrickmore075

    ‘The myth of the Defensive Gun’

    At a Florida theater Monday, a retired police officer allegedly killed a man during an argument. The cop probably thought he would prevent a crime with his gun—instead, he caused one.—When a gun owner self-reports that he or she brandished or used a weapon in self-defense, the gun owner stakes a claim that the person on the muzzle side of the gun was acting improperly and that the gun owner was acting appropriately and responsibly. Yet that is not always true. It is probably not even often true. Curtis Reeves was a man highly trained in the use of firearms: not just a police officer, but a police officer who had founded a tactical response unit.. Yet the best-case interpretation of Reeves’ actions is that in a crisis, he panicked.

    And the worst case? The worst case is that many people who carry guns for what they call self-defense are really engaged in intimidation and aggression.

    • Brucehenry

      Good link.

    • Vagabond661

      Curious. Oulson has a 3 year old daughter who not only knows the alphabet but can text too? Did that movie theater have a gun-free sign? Did the Reeves have a CCW permit?

      Lot of conjecture or projection right now.

      From the link “I can’t believe people would bring a pistol, a gun, to a movie,” Ask the moviegoers in Aurora. Uhm that’s why people bring a gun to a movie theater. Why would anyone use bomb sniffing dogs before the President speaks in public? Why would anyone check their child’s Halloween candy?

    • jim_m

      So your position is that because a very small minority should not be trusted with responsibility, that everyone should have their rights taken away.

      As for the author’s concern about the worst case – This is pure supposition and there is nothing in any crime statistics that suggest his fears are true. I would suggest that this is just more fear mongering by the fascist left who previously claimed that allowing concealed carry would turn every street in the US into a wild west shoot out. This has not occurred and murder rates are declining nationally, not increasing. Where murder is highest is in places where guns are most restricted.

      • jim_m

        I would add that most police are not all that highly trained in the use of a gun.

        Furthermore, they are not conditioned as a civilian is to doing everything they can to avoid using that gun. Police are protected by their office from prosecution so there is nothing remotely similar in terms of the deterrent to using deadly force, which is probably why they are 3x more likely to commit murder than a CCW holder.

        Steve’s own comments characterize Reeves as intolerent and prone to confrontation both with his superiors in the police force as well as people in the community. He strikes me as a man who has full belief that he is immune from any legal restraint on asserting his will. That he would use deadly force to assert it seems inevitable. I think this is more an example of police arrogance than anything else.

  • SteveCrickmore075

    ‘The myth of the Defensive Gun’

    At a Florida theater Monday, a retired police officer allegedly killed a man during an argument. The cop probably thought he would prevent a crime with his gun—instead, he caused one.—When a gun owner self-reports that he or she brandished or used a weapon in self-defense, the gun owner stakes a claim that the person on the muzzle side of the gun was acting improperly and that the gun owner was acting appropriately and responsibly. Yet that is not always true. It is probably not even often true. Curtis Reeves was a man highly trained in the use of firearms: not just a police officer, but a police officer who had founded a tactical response unit.. Yet the best-case interpretation of Reeves’ actions is that in a crisis, he panicked.

    And the worst case? The worst case is that many people who carry guns for what they call self-defense are really engaged in intimidation and aggression.

  • http://www.USConcealedCarry.com/ Concealed Carry Pro

    Individuals must take personal responsibility for their actions and choices. Law abiding citizens who choose to protect themselves and their loved ones by carrying concealed weapons want the right to take on that responsibility wherever they go. This includes getting the proper training, having their CCW permit, and keeping their skills sharp. By doing these things we keep ourselves and our neighbors more safe.