DNC Members Can’t Name Even One Hillary Clinton Achievement

Here at Curmudgeon Central we’re not paying much attention to Hillary. We’re old enough to remember two events very clearly, the most recent was in 2006 & 2007 when she was the default candidate for the Democratic Party for 2008. How’d that work out?

The second was when Teddy Kennedy challenged Jimmy Carter in the Democratic Primary in 1980. He was the going away favorite to beat the tar out of Carter. We recall a commentator – can’t remember who – who said, in the run-up to Kennedy’s announcement, that Kennedy’s popularity would peak with his announcement. That’s what happened.

We expect the same thing to happen to Hillary.

We’ll have had an empty suit in the White House for eight years by 2016 and as you’ll see below, Hillary Clinton is an empty pant suit.

MRC TV interviewed members of the Democratic National Committee at their winter meeting to ask their views of Hillary Clinton’s achievements. Apparently, none of those interviewed could come up with even a single accomplishment attributed to the former Secretary of State.

Among some of the responses to the question about Hillary’s achievements were:

  • “I like her abortion standpoint, but, in particular, I honestly don’t know.”
  • “She’s spent eight years in the White House.”
  • “Being next to the president for eight years.”
  • “She didn’t create a problem.”
  • “We are a little bit more at ease with our folks in the Middle East.”
  • “She is one of the most well-traveled secretaries of state.”
  • “She can answer that much better than I.”
  • “We’ve tightened up our relationship with Mexico.”
  • “To be honest, she’s not going to be remembered for a whole lot of major things, just because I don’t think we were doing a whole lot on the foreign policy front. Foreign policy hasn’t been a really big issue under President Obama.”

Remember, these are her diehard supporters.

Source: DNC Members Can’t Name Even One Hillary Clinton Achievement

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  • Commander_Chico

    She’s an idiot for saying Putin in Crimea is like Hitler!

    • jim_m

      But you will vote for her regardless.

      • Commander_Chico

        No. She is a dangerous warmonger.

    • Retired military

      At least she says something than “oh look a shiney”

      Unlike you.

      “As I said before, try answering what people say, and not try to put words in others’ mouths, debate goes better” – Chico, Famed Wizbangblog poster

      How about practising what you preach Chico.

      1 Oprah,the Lamestream media, Reid, Pelosi, and other major dems have called people racist simply because they oppose Obama’s
      policies. Yet when they oppose those same policies when espoused by Bill, Hillary. Reid, Pelos, Gore, Kerry, etc etc they weren’t considered racist then by Oprah, etc etc (I don’t know isn’t good enough)
      Do you feel that it is because the left is just playing the race card?

      2. People were called racist anarchist terrorists when they tried to delay Obamacare yet Al Franken who did the same thing wasn’t called Racist. Do you feel that it is because he is a democrat and the people doing the call just playing the race card because that is all they have?

      3. People were called racist anarchist terrorist when they called for the delay of all or part of Obamacare and Obama who is unconstitutionally doing the same thing is not called a racist anarchist terrorist. Do you feel that it is because he is a democrat and the people doing the calling are just playing the race card because that is all they have?

      4. Chico stated ” They (duck dynasty guys) were clean shaven before they pitched the TV show.” yet you provided zero proof of this statement. Please do so now.

      Examples of statements 1, 2, and 3 (since you reject the premise)

      Salon writer Joan Wals
      It’s simply stunning: Longtime Republican imagemaker Ailes figured out how to make sure that our twice-elected Democratic president, backed by a coalition that represents an emerging, multiracial America, must periodically be checked and hopefully shamed by a representative of the angry right-wing white male minority that barely considers him a legitimate leader…

      O’Reilly and Ailes and their viewers see this president as unqualified and ungrateful, an affirmative action baby who won’t thank us for all we’ve done for him and his cohort. The question was, of course, deeply condescending and borderline racist. Obama has been afforded “so much opportunity”? What about O’Reilly, who pretends he’s a working-class son of Levittown, Long Island, when he’s actually the kid of an accountant who grew up in Westbury and went to private high school and university

      Wall Street Journal’s Steve Moore: “This is still a pretty conservative country and people are upset about the policies in Washington and they don’t think the politicians are listening.”
      Host Chris Matthews: “Okay, I think, I think some of the people are upset because we have a black President.”
      Talking about the town hall protests against ObamaCare on MSNBC’s Hardball, August 11, 2009.

      If racism is not the whole of the Tea Party, it is in its heart, along with blind hatred, a total disinterest in the welfare of others, and a full-flowered, self-rationalizing refusal to accept the outcomes of elections, or the reality of democracy, or the narrowness of their minds and the equal narrowness of their public support.”
      — MSNBC’s Keith Olbermann on Countdown, March 22, 2010.

      “The Republican Party in this country has been running on hate and division for the last 50 years….What black person, gay guy or girl, immigrant or Muslim American in their right mind would vote for the Republican Party? They might as well hang a sign around their neck saying, ‘I hate myself.’”
      — Fill-in host Cenk Uygur on MSNBC’s The Ed Show, August 26, 2010

      Clip from RNC ad: “Stop Obama and his union bosses today. The Republican National Committee is responsible for the content of this advertising.”
      Host Lawrence O’Donnell: “The Republican Party is saying that the President of the United States has bosses, that the union bosses this President around, the unions boss him around. Does that sound to you like they are trying to consciously or subconsciously deliver the racist message that, of course, of course a black man can’t be the real boss?”
      Ex-Governor Jennifer Granholm (D-MI): “Wow, I hadn’t thought about the racial overtones….”
      — MSNBC’s The Last Word, February 25, 2011.

      “The interesting question is: what is it about this President that has stripped away the veneer of respect that normally accompanies the office of the President? Why do Republicans think this President is unpresidential — unpresidential, and shouldn’t dare to request this kind of thing? It strikes me that it could be the economic times, it could be that he won so big in 2008, or it could be, let’s face it, the color of his skin.”
      — MSNBC political analyst and ex-Newsweek reporter Richard Wolffe talking about the brief contretemps over scheduling Obama’s speech to Congress, The Last Word, August 31, 2011.

      “I get out of all of these things that many of these [Republican] candidates would rather take legislation to build a time machine and go back in time to where we had, you know, no women voting, slavery was cool. I mean, it’s just kind of ridiculous.”
      — Daytime anchor Thomas Roberts on MSNBC Live, September 23, 2011, talking about the previous night’s GOP debate.

      “Plus, what Mitt Romney has in common with the KKK. Details on a rare Romney campaign blunder ahead….So you might not hear Mitt Romney say ‘keep America American’ anymore. That’s because it was a central theme of the KKK in the 1920s. It was a rallying cry for the group’s campaign of violence and intimidation against blacks, gays and Jews.”
      — Anchor Thomas Roberts on MSNBC Live, December 14, 2011.

      Host Chris Matthews: “How does this guy [Mitt Romney] go from hard right, severely conservative, to this new regular mainstream character he’s portraying himself as?…He ran as a full mooner, Michael. You know, he was saying ‘There’s no such thing as science.’… How can he go from Flat Earth, ‘I don’t believe in evolution,’ to all of a sudden, ‘I’m teaching biology’?… It certainly was in the Grand Wizard crowd over there, okay?”
      Former RNC Chairman Michael Steele: “Wait, I resent that! No. Come on, what is this ‘Grand Wizard’ nonsense? Are you saying that we’re Ku Klux Klan?”
      Matthews: “Okay, I’m just saying, the far-right party.”
      Steele: “Give me a break! Don’t go there with me on that.”
      — MSNBC’s Hardball, April 23, 2012.

      You notice he [Romney] says ‘anger’ twice. He’s really trying to use racial coding and access some really deep stereotypes about the angry black man. This is part of the playbook against Obama. The other-ization, he’s not like us. I know it’s a heavy thing to say. I don’t say it lightly. But this is niggerization, ‘You are not one of us,’ and that ‘you are like the scary black man who we’ve been trained to fear.’”
      — Co-host Touré on MSNBC’s The Cycle, August 16, 2012.

      Host Martin Bashir: “Of Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell’s forthcoming oration, can I quote something [to] you? ‘For four years, Barack Obama has been running from the nation’s problems. He hasn’t been working to earn re-election. He’s been working to earn a spot on the PGA tour.’ How about that?”
      MSNBC’s Lawrence O’Donnell: “Well, we know exactly what he’s trying to do there….These people reach for every single possible racial double-entendre they can possibly find in every one of these speeches.”
      — MSNBC’s Martin Bashir, August 29, 2012, talking about McConnell’s speech at the Republican National Convention.

      They hate Obama. They want him out of the White House more than they want to destroy al Qaeda. Their number one enemy in the world right now, on the right, is their hatred — hatred for Obama. We can go into that about the white working class in the South, and looking at these numbers we’re getting in the last couple days about racial hatred in many cases. This isn’t about being a better president. They want to get rid of this president. That’s their number one goal and they’re willing to let Romney go to the hard center, even if it’s to the left on issues, as long as they get rid of this guy.”
      — Chris Matthews during MSNBC’s post-debate coverage, October 22, 2012

      “I look at Obama as a perfect American. I don’t mean politically. We can disagree left and right on him. You can argue about the drones. Argue about the fiscal policy, all that stuff. But as a citizen. The guy went to school, he never broke a law. He did everything right. He raised a wonderful family. He’s a good husband, a good father. My God I don’t think he’s ever gotten a speeding ticket. The guy does everything right and these right-wingers — and he’s really been pretty moderate on guns until the horror of Newtown — and I don’t know what they’re so afraid of, except that he happens to be black.”
      — Host Chris Matthews on MSNBC’s Hardball, March 6, 2013

      What does your study tell you about the nature of the racial piece here of the Tea Party?…Is it sort of a resumption of the Old South, of the way things were before the Civil War, for example? Is it like that old dreamy nostalgia you get in the old movies, Gone With the Wind? Is it that kind of America they want to bring back or what? When there were no gays, where blacks were slaves, Mexicans were in Mexico? I mean, is this what they want?”
      — Chris Matthews to author Christopher Parker on MSNBC’s Hardball, March 20, 2013

      The problem is there are people in this country — maybe 10 percent, I don’t know what the number, maybe 20 percent on a bad day — who want this President to have an asterisk next to his name in the history books, that he really wasn’t President….They can’t stand the idea that he is President, and a piece of it is racism. Not that somebody in one racial group doesn’t like somebody in another racial group. So what? It is the sense that the white race must rule. That’s what racism is. And they can’t stand the idea that a man who is not white is President.”
      — Chris Matthews appearing as a guest on MSNBC’s PoliticsNation, May 15, 2013

      “The IRS is being used in exactly the same way as they tried to use the President’s birth certificate…Despite the complete lack of any evidence linking the President to the targeting of Tea Party groups, Republicans are using it as their latest weapon in the war against the black man in the White House….This afternoon, we welcome the latest phrase in the lexicon of Republican attacks on this President — the IRS. Three letters that sound so innocent, but we know what you mean.”
      — MSNBC host Martin Bashir, June 5, 2013.

      ¦ “At least back in 1939, when Marian Anderson had to sing here, ‘My Country ‘Tis of Thee’ rather than at the Constitution Hall, because — they said the reason was she was black. At least they were honest back then….[Today] you’ve got people talking about nullification of the law of the land [ObamaCare]. You got people talking impeachment like [Senator Tom] Coburn. You got Ted Cruz out there. They never say their problem with Obama is that he’s black, but look at the pattern….At least the Daughters of the American Revolution knew what they were saying and they said it out loud: ‘He’s black, she’s black, she can’t sing here.’ These guys today use all the techniques of nullification and talking about illegitimacy and accusing the President of being a crook, basically, for even being president, because he’s here illegally. And then they talk about impeaching him on grounds they can’t even come up with. At least in the old days they were honest about it. Today, they’re not.”
      — Chris Matthews during MSNBC live coverage of the 50th anniversary of the March on Washington, August 28, 2013.

      ¦ “I want to talk today about a controversial word….A word that was originally intended as a derogatory term, meant to shame and divide and demean. The word was conceived of by a group of wealthy white men who needed a way to put themselves above and apart from a black man, to render him inferior and unequal and to diminish his accomplishments…. Y’all know the word that I’m talking about: ‘ObamaCare.’”
      — Host Melissa Harris-Perry on her MSNBC show, December 8, 2013.

      Host Ed Schultz compared Tea Party activists to Nazi brownshirts and said that the Republican Party stands for racism; and accused Texas Gov. Rick Perry of referring to Obama in racial terms when he described the national debt as a “big black cloud” hanging over the heads of the American people.

      Reporter Lawrence O’Donnell accused Republican U.S. Sen. Mitch McConnell of using a “racial double-entendre” when McConnell complained that Obama spends too much time golfing;

      Daytime anchor Thomas Roberts famously claimed that Republicans want to go back to a time when “slavery was cool;”

      Contributing analyst Toure – so self-important that he goes by only one name – accused Romney of participating in the “niggerization” of Obama;

      PRESS: I just think the whole thing is outrageous. I hate this apology, I think it was unnecessary and just, just played right into their hands. And, I mean, they won’t (laughs), they’re not going to let conservatives watch MSNBC, fine! You’re not even going to notice that. How many conservatives, seriously, are watching Ed Schultz or Rachel Maddow, you know, or Al Sharpton every night?

      JEREMY HOLDEN OF MEDIA MATTERS: Yeah, yeah, I don’t know, but, uh, I’m just …

      PRESS: It’s silly.

      HOLDEN: I want to see how this probation looks and when it ends. (Alluding to RNC chair Reince Priebus’s response to Cheerios ad tweet). And what, you know, is there going to be a soft landing from the probation? This is kind of silly at this point.

      PRESS: It is and, you know, first of all, good for Cheerios for bringing that spot back and not bowing into the pressure and as far as this tweet goes, again, “maybe the rightwing will hate it, but everybody else will go awww: the adorable new #Cheerios ad w/ biracial family,” that’s the truth. That is the truth! The right winger, the racist right winger will hate it. Everybody else will like it. It’s a beautiful spot.


      Hunter – Daily Kos
      MSNBC bending over themselves to apologize for someone in the network thinking the American right wing was made up of people who pore over the nation’s television commercials to find companies acting Not Bigoted Enough is, and there’s no other word for it, pathetic. As are, of course, the predictable reactions from the right wing themselves. You would think that people who get so very, very, very mad whenever someone suggests that they might be bigoted simpletons would be able to go at least one weekend without proving to be exactly that, but no. Never quite works out that way.

      Ron Fournier – Twitter

      The GOP argument on Obamacare has more than a whiff of Reagan-era racial “welfare queen” politics —>


      Ron Fournier – Twitter
      In light of today’s #Obamacare column, a little background: “How and Why Romney is Playing the Race Card.”

      “There are certain elements of the party who go out of their way to demonize people who don’t look like the way they’d like them to look like or came from some other place,” Powell said. “I think
      the party has to deal with this.”

      Markos MoulitsaS

      …[T]he GOP has a problem. It can’t win national elections without getting some support from immigrant demographics—Asians and Latinos, the fastest growing in the country. Yet conservatives hate brown and different-looking people. They speak foreign languages and eat weird stuff and play strange music and vote Democratic. Those are all unforgivable sins.


      “What we had here with you and President Obama was a culture class… It was the president of most of the white guys of America, that’s you. And, Barack Obama the president of almost everybody else. And the discussion was at that level… To watch it was some ways unsettling to me… What you did was strip him of his majesty…”

      From An examiner story about congressman Cummings

      In fact, the authors of the very report cited by Cummings, Devin Burghart and Leonard Zeskind also “exposed” alleged links between “certain Tea Party factions and acknowledged racist hate groups,” for the NAACP in 2010, as reported by Jack Cashill at the American Thinker, who writes wryly that Zeskind “could find racists in each of the nine choirs of angels and feel comfortable designating at least three of those choirs as hate groups.”

      At the time, Burghart and Zeskind wrote in part that Tea Party members were

      “defending their special pale-skinned privileges and power.”


      HOWARD FINEMAN (on MSNBC): And as if that’s some kind of explanation, some kind of explanation for the weird phenomenon of the fact that the Republicans didn’t win. There was this extraterrestrial force out there of African-Americans and Hispanics.

      CHarlie Crist – ““Sadly I think another part of it was that he was a Democrat, but not just a Democrat, an African-American.””

      MSNBC interview regarding rejection of union.

      WAGNER: – nails this a little bit. And he talks about the UAW has, or the idea of organized labor and finds, y’know, great welcome in NYU and in bastions of sort of liberal, progressive thought. But then when it comes down to it, here you have workers on an assembly line in Chattanooga, Tennessee, who have turned down the option. And he makes a point that, “As many unions have discovered, generally to their woe, the politics of race and culture often eclipse those of class in the United States.” [1]

      NOAH: Right.

      WAGNER: And these sort of cultural means around unions, um, distracted from the actual economic benefits of them. [2]

      NOAH: The South has always been hostile territory for union organizing. Y’know, as Harold said, the culture war in the South trumps the class war. [1] You already have in a number of Southern states right to work laws, which means that even if they had unionized the plants, those who benefitted from the presence of that union wouldn’t have had to pay union dues if they didn’t feel like it.

      So you’re in an overwhelmingly hostile climate. And the opposition I gather, through, portrayed this as a kind of northern invasion, a refighting of the Civil War. [3] Apparently there are not a lot of, uh, black employees in this particular plant. [4] And so, that kind of, uh, uh, uh, waving of the Confederate flag was an effective strategy. [5]

      WAGNER: That would explain also the sign, “United Obama Workers,” which speaks volumes [6] in terms of the, uh, cultural differences in certain parxts of the country. Author Timothy Noah, thank you as always for your time and thoughts.

      In May 2010, he told guests at a private White House dinner that race was probably a key component in the rising opposition to his presidency from conservatives, especially right-wing activists in the anti-incumbent “Tea Party” movement that was then surging across the country. Many middle-class and working-class whites felt aggrieved and resentful that the federal government was helping other groups, including bankers, automakers, irresponsible people who had defaulted

      Harry reid – ““We’re not going to bow to tea party anarchists who deny
      the mere fact that Obamacare is the law. We will not bow to tea party anarchists who
      refuse to accept that the Supreme Court ruled that Obamacare is constitutional,”

      Former Wash Post Editor Robert Kaiser
      “The base consists principally of white evangelical Christians who, the pollsters tell us, fear that their America is disappearing. Of course they are right; it has probably disappeared already. Their America would not have elected a black president.

      From Wash times regarding Obama appointee

      A furious Mr. Reid hinted that Republicans’ opposition was based on racism, pointing to to several other black nominees that GOP senators had opposed earlier. But in the case of Mr. Adegbile, his defense of Abu-Jamal was too much for even some Democrats

  • Hank_M

    Name one achievement?
    She’s a female and that is more then enough for your typical identity obsessed democrat voter – Obama being proof that qualifications are irrelevant.
    If she comes out of the closet, that’ll be two.

  • But really, what does it matter!?

    I don’t see her as electable at this point, much as some would like her to be, and I can’t really figure out why they think she’d be a good candidate.

    On the other hand, she would have made a better President than Obama, but… that ship sailed long ago.

    • jim_m

      Hell. BO would’ve made a better president than his owner has.

      As for Hillary as a candidate, I think the dems are falling into the same, “It’s my turn” trap the the GOP has been in ever since Reagan.

      • In this case, I hope they do. Hell, if she promises to repeal Obamacare, I might vote for her myself.

        Of course, her promise is a worthless thing…

        • jim_m

          I’m willing to bet that her promises demonstrate better freshness dating than obama’s. By a week or two at least.

    • Brucehenry

      Yes and considering your predictions of how 2008 and 2012 would turn out she should probably start measuring the drapes.

      • Vagabond661

        Stupid is as stupid votes.

      • Oh, I predict she’ll win the DNC nomination. They don’t have anyone else who’s got the name recognition to challenge her.

        Who’s an up and coming star in the DNC? Pelosi? They wouldn’t dare let her near a microphone even with a teleprompter, and she wouldn’t stand a chance in any debates. Reid? Not a chance. He may have been the majority leader – but he’s led the majority into a dead end.

        They pinned everything on Pelosi and Reid screwing things up enough to get a Democratic President in place. And in 2010, they lost the lock on the House. In 2014, it looks like they’ll lose the Senate – but we’ll see.

        • Brucehenry

          Andrew Cuomo. That Maryland guy. Mark Warner. Cory Booker. Amy Klobuchar. That’s who the WSJ sees.

          Then there’s Tammy Duckworth. Jim Webb. A couple others.

          • jim_m

            I’d love to see Tammy Duckworth run with Wendy Davis. Davis could make all sorts of great cripple jokes.

            All kidding aside. Duckworth doesn’t have an original idea in her head. Her House campaign consisted of “vote for me, I’m a disabled veteran.”

          • Brucehenry

            Maybe, but Lawson asked who was up and coming, and Duckworth is up and coming. There are others.

          • jim_m

            Duckworth is up and coming only as a figure head that party leaders can manipulate. Even the dems can do better.

          • Brucehenry

            Yes perhaps you are right about Duckworth. I really don’t know that much about her to be honest, just heard her name a lot. I just meant, I guess, she’s up and coming in the same way Gohmert or Steve King is for the GOP — gets in the news pretty regularly.

          • jim_m

            Yeah, she gets airplay because the dems love putting forward people they feel that criticism of them will be taboo. Duckworth being both a minority AND a disabled vet they feel that they have the magic formula. Just like Saxby Chambliss, whose disability they tried to make into an issue where it was almost sacrilegious to criticize him, they are doing the same with Duckworth. She lacks the intelligence that Chambliss had. All she has ever had is the disability and the willingness to do anything the party establishment asked of her.

          • Brucehenry

            LOL you’re getting Chambliss mixed up with the guy he defeated in 2002, Max Cleland, who had lost both legs and an arm in Vietnam. Chambliss incredibly painted Cleland as an unAmerican traitorous snake in the grass and unaccountably succeeded due to the enormous number of dumbass rubes in Georgia. And the climate of paranoia and fear whipped up by the Bushies and Rove after 9/11. A climate you’re still living in, btw.

          • jim_m

            Guilty as charged. Cleland was still smarter than Duckworth and he had lost touch with his base.

            I think the key here is that Duckworth is used a lot as a figurehead to put in front of the media but when you see the dems talking about ideas or strategy she is no where to be found.

          • EricSteel

            That is an urban legend cooked up by the Democrats. I live in Georgia and Chambliss NEVER called or even implied that Cleland was un-American or a traitor.

            Here is the infamous commercial that the Democrats base that claim upon. You can watch it for yourself.

            Show me anywhere in that video that Cleland is accused of being un-American or a traitor!

            Compare that to Obama who literally accused Bush of being un-patriotic.

            “Number 43 added four trillion dollars [to the national debt] by his lonesome…that’s irresponsible, that’s unpatriotic.”

          • Brucehenry

            LOL I stand corrected. Just flashing images of Bin Laden and Saddam Hussein, along with scary ominous music and a doomsday narration, was enough to touch the lizard brains of the hundreds of thousands of dumbass rubes in GA, of which we can count Eric in their number, evidently.

            It’s absolutely true the claim was never EXPLICITLY made. The connection WAS, though. And the voters who voted for Chambliss based on it are, indeed, dumbass rubes.

          • EricSteel

            Chambliss went from painting Cleland as “an unAmerican traitorous snake in the grass” to using scary music and pictures to imply a connection.

            Come on, that is really weak sauce.
            Admit it, you were positive that Chambliss had explicitly accused Cleland of being un-American and a traitor. Why? Because that was the narrative that you had been told over and over again by the Democrats.

            The entire allegation was based on a fabrication made up by the Democrats. Yet you still believe it to this day. That makes YOU the rube.

          • Brucehenry

            Do you know what is meant by “painting” in this context?

            I never said Cleland was explicitly accused of treason. That would be going too far, even for an unscrupulous charlatan like Chambliss, and might have been a step too far for even the most credulous rubes like yourself.

            If you don’t think that the grainy images of Bin Laden and Saddam Hussein and scary ominous music coupled with the narration was “painting” Cleland as unAmerican and traitorous I don’t know what to tell you.

            Of course rubes never DO know when they’re being suckered. That’s what makes them rubes, Eric.

          • jim_m

            Painting Cleland was rude because without legs he couldn’t get away.

          • EricSteel

            Bruce, I don’t know what to tell you. You are the one who sees a hidden secret mesage in the video different from the explicit message, perhaps you’ve been suckered into believing something that isn’t there.

            Whenever, I watch the video, I don’t come away thinking Cleland was an un-American traitor. If that was the real message, then how does that make me a rube?

            So if implicit pictures and scary music are so outrageous, what is your opinion of Barack Obama EXPLICITLY questioning the patriotism of his opponents?

          • Brucehenry

            Then what WAS the message the ad makers wanted to convey, genius?

            What was the point of linking the images of Bin Laden and Saddam to Cleland in the year following 9/11? Was it to paint Cleland as American as apple pie?

            You’ve got a pretty naive idea of how visual advertising works if you don’t think this ad was meant to paint Cleland as unAmerican. What do you call a guy so naive he doesn’t realize he’s being manipulated by hucksters?

            Oh, yeah, that would be a “rube.”

          • EricSteel


            First off, the message is straight forward. Max Cleland voted against the Department of Homeland Security in order to placate the same unions who were financially backing his campaign.

            Chambliss backed a version of the homeland security legislation that would set aside employee union rules to allow President Bush to hire and fire federal workers in the new department. Cleland supported a version more favorable to those unions, which contributed heavily to his campaign, the Journal-Constitution reported. – PBS News, 11/6/12

            The point of the commercial was to highlight those votes and question Cleland’s decision making that prioritizes the needs of union workers of the security needs of the country a year after 9/11. All while Cleland was in the back pocket of the unions he was trying to protect.

            If the commercial was a deep subliminal message that made people believe that Max Cleland was an un-American traitor, then it was a failure because I didn’t come away believing it, and I don’t know anyone who did.

            If that is the message that YOU see, then the rube is you. As the old saying goes, if you can hear the dog whistle then that makes you the dog. What about the hucksters telling you to block out the the explicit message that is damaging to their candidate and instead become outraged over scary music and images? You followed them perfectly like a rube.

            By the way, how about SOME comment about Barack Obama specifically and explicitly questioning people’s patriotism?

            The problem is, is that the way Bush has done it over the last eight years is to take out a credit card from the Bank of China in the name of our children, driving up our national debt from $5 trillion for the first 42 presidents – #43 added $4 trillion by his lonesome, so that we now have over $9 trillion of debt that we are going to have to pay back — $30,000 for every man, woman and child. That’s irresponsible. It’s unpatriotic.

            At one point he explicitly questioned John McCain’s patriotism.

            “So, when American workers hear John McCain talking about putting ‘Country First,'” Obama said, “it’s fair to ask, which country?”

          • jim_m

            Chambliss was unAmerican for running against a disabled war veteran. Why do you think that so many dems lie about having served? (Chico?) It’s because they want to be able to accuse others of being unAmerican and want to make the claim that because they have served automatically makes every word that proceeds out of their mouth patriotic.

          • Brucehenry

            I suppose you have examples of the “so many” dems who lie about having served.

          • jim_m




            Others served, but then lied about their service, like Tom Harken and even more famously John “I still have that hat” Kerry.

            To be fair, this is not a dem only affliction, but I find it more hypocritical because the left is constantly damning the military and condemning any military action.

          • jim_m




            Others served, but then lied about their service, like Tom Harken and even more famously John “I still have that hat” Kerry.

            To be fair, this is not a dem only affliction, but I find it more hypocritical because the left is constantly damning the military and condemning any military action.

          • Brucehenry

            If, “to be fair this is not a Dem only affliction” that kinda invalidates your point about why you think they do it, doesn’t it?

            But you’re fer damn sure right both sides do it:




            I hope you forgive me I used my google fu to find your old school photo:


          • jim_m

            It does not invalidate the opinion on why they do it. I frankly think that these GOP pols do it for the same reason.

            I’ll take that photo. He was always the smart one compared to your ignorant (yet funny) Foghorn Leghorn. So I take it as a compliment that you recognize that I am significantly smarter than you . (Certainly better educated)

          • Brucehenry

            CERTAINLY better educated.

            Yet Foghorn Leghorn always got the better of the whippersnapper, as I remember.


          • jim_m

            Now it’s my turn to ask if you read your own links:

            Many cartoons ended with Henery capturing one (or both) of his tormentors,

            Sounds like winning to me.

          • Brucehenry

            Yeah, but in the battle of smart-ass comments Leghorn always won.

          • jim_m

            Empty victory

          • Brucehenry

            I don’t know, I get some pleasure from a good smart ass comment, even if directed at me. I appreciate them as works of art, as it were.

          • jim_m

            Smart ass remarks only get you so far.

          • Brucehenry

            I’d forgotten that one. I’d forgotten that little egghead guy completely.

          • Commander_Chico

            I’d love to see President Jim Webb. The opposite of a chickenhawk.

          • EricSteel

            And who did you vote for? McCain or Obama?

          • Jwb10001

            He voted for the chickenhawk, that slur only really applies to republicans in Chico’s world

          • EricSteel

            If a Republican served in the military then the Democrats call him a warmonger, if he didn’t serve in the military then the Democrats call him a chickenhawk.

            This double standard ad hominem allows the Democrats to dismiss the Republican’s arguments out of hand. But the reality is that its true purpose is to fool the Democrats into believing their own bullshit.

      • jim_m

        Why should she do that? She probably still has them from 2000.

  • 914

    Here dems I will help.. She handles bimbo eruptions fairly well.

    • Walter_Cronanty

      Hers or Bill’s?

    • SteveCrickmore075

      She’s had lots of experience.

      • jim_m

        Socks had nearly as much WH experience as she has but no one suggested running the cat for office.

        • Retired military

          Well I would vote for Socks if he/she ran against Obama for President.

        • SteveCrickmore075

          Hillary has sharper nails!

          • Retired military

            Socks would do less damage to the country.

      • Jwb10001

        None of it good.

  • SteveCrickmore075

    The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter. Winston Churchill

    • Vagabond661

      Well, then can ANYONE name any of her accomplishments? And you can’t use she has stayed out of prison.

      • Why not? Do you have something against people who buy their way out of trouble?

    • jim_m

      I’ll buy that argument since in the last two elections the average voter voted for obama and therefore against democracy.

  • Lawrence Westlake

    Hillary was however either the greatest or the luckiest commodities day trader in history. {Wink, wink.} That aside, within the cocoon of the conservative and erstwhile conservative blogosphere Hillary might not be all that, but the reality is barring a meteor strike she will be the Dem nominee in ’16 and in that event if she receives even ~42% or thereabouts of the white vote she’ll be the next president. Underestimate her and the zombie electorate at your own peril. See Obama, B.H., Exhibit 1.

  • Zero, huh! figures, GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR my dog hates the sight of Hitlary.