POLICE STATE: Feds Still Buying Tons of Ammunition

“Where the people fear the government you have tyranny. Where the government fears the people you have liberty.”–John Basil Barnhill, 1914

If liberals want to get rid of guns in society, apparently the first place they should start is the federal government. For some unexplainable reason, nearly every federal agency has its own armed, para-military police force. From the Post Office, to the Bureau of Land Management, to even the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration they are all armed to the teeth! Why do these agencies need their own police forces? They don’t… except for the fact that they want to force their will on the American people and it’s easier to do that when you can kill anyone in your way.

You read that right, above. The U.S. Post Office has it’s own armed police force (It has for decades, by the way). So does the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. Seriously. NOAA has a SWAT team that claims it needs 46,000 rounds of ammunition! It is beyond insensible.

Last year the Post Office had announced that it was going to buy thousands of rounds of ammunition and not long ago the Social Security Administration ordered 174,000 rounds of “.357 Sig 125 grain bonded jacketed hollow-point” bullets.

That order by the Social Security Administration is typical, too. Every one of these agencies are ordering hollow points. When asked why these agencies are ordering all these billions of rounds of ammo, we are told they need to “practice” their marksmanship. It’s juuuuust for target practice, they say. Nothing to see, America. Just move along. Ignore the growing police state confronting you, please.

But the fact is, you don’t use hollow-point bullets for target practice. Hollow points serve only one purpose. They are for maiming and killing human beings.

Now, some in government explain away why all these dozens of agencies have their own police forces replete with body armor, sniper rifles, riot great, high powered weapons, side arms, and even their own cute little badges to flash around with which to bully Americans. They say that these agencies have inspector’s offices and sometimes have to deal with the public, so they need to be armed to “protect” themselves.

These are the same people who claim that we, the people, don’t need arms to protect ourselves.

But they say that since these agencies have investigators and inspectors, they might run up against the criminal element, so they need guns and riot gear. Because, as we all know, there are a lot of dangerous criminals who might be involved in cases involving the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.

This is all just more proof that our government views we, the people, as an enemy, as criminals from whom they need protection.

If you are an anti-gun nut, try cleaning up your own big government backyard before you come after my guns, won’t you?

“Fear is the foundation of most governments.”–John Adams

(Information from Newsmax contributed to this post.)

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  • Lawrence Westlake

    Good news for private ammo manufacturers, wholesalers, distributors, transporters, dealers, traders, retailers, etc. They’re not complaining. That aside, the funny thing about these hysterical screeds on the Internet about the gummint buying ammo(!) is they’re the same hysterical screeds from over 20 years ago, perhaps made even by the same people, albeit then on AM radio, during and especially after the Waco fiasco. Within a few years however the nutballs from the early-1990′s were busy daytrading tech stocks, playing a lot of golf at the country club and moving into McMansions in the burbs. Somehow the police state never imprisoned much less killed them. The only deaths were to their brain cells. Now of course we’re back to the evil police state that’s going to rain down tyranny. Rinse, repeat. Bad demographics is a literal race to the bottom of the lowest common denominators.

    • warnertoddhuston

      What faux post generating software did you use for that block of blather?

    • dabub

      We can assume you will be in hiding, and more than willing to accommodate them when they ask you to lick their boots!

    • 914

      So I gather you are all packed and ready for the cattle car?

    • Commander_Chico

      If Wizbang was a bar like Cheers, Lawrence would be the guy who makes the same rant every night and then passes out.

      • Brucehenry

        A sadder and pathetic-er Cliff Claven.

  • jim_m

    NOAA has a SWAT team that claims it needs 46,000 rounds of ammunition!

    OK. Beyond the fact that NOAA having a SWAT Team is completely idiotic, the amounts of ammo that the government is purchasing is not really that crazy. When you look at the number of rounds required for maintaining adequate training and proficiency you are already talking several thousand rounds per weapon per person per year.

    That and what is prudent to have on hand for operations explains the purchases. There is no government hoarding going on. These sorts of stories are just fear mongering. There are plenty of legitimate reasons to suspect this government. Hoarding ammo is not one of them.

    • JWH

      Turns out NOAA’s law enforcement apparatus prevents seafood fraud and enforces laws regarding fisheries and trafficking in illegal products like narwhal tusks. Not taking a stand on whether NOAA should have armed law enforcement officers. Just wanted to satisfy my curiosity.

      • jim_m

        I would suggest that NOAA should still not be doing any law enforcement and that customs (Narwhal tusks) and other agencies (Aren’t fisheries under the Dept of Ag?) are better suited for those activities.

        • JWH

          I would suggest that NOAA should be doing a form of law enforcement — inspections, investigation (analysis of evidence), and administrative enforcement and prosecutions — but that anything that involves shooting people or waving guns in the air ought to be handled by FBI, Coast Guard, and/or other traditional law-enforcement agencies, with said law-enforcement officers provided to NOAA or other agencies only on an as-needed basis.

          (* Not that FBI has proven to be the paragon of good behavior. )

        • JWH

          Addendum: I’ve occasionally seen cop cars, complete with red lights on top, for a police force that’s apparently associated with the Government Printing Office.

          I’m waiting for an action movie, possibly starring Bruce Willis, about a by-the-book cop and his hotheaded rookie partner, who work feverishly to address printing-related crimes.

          • jim_m
          • JWH

            “Sir, that participle is hanging, which is against regulation.”
            “No way, copper!”

            BANG BANG BANG BANG!!

            “I’m getting too old for this … “

          • JWH

            In seriousness, I checked their Web site, and the GPO police’s role is actually pretty reasonable. Basically … they’re GPO’s building security.

            But that doesn’t explain why they need friggin’ assault rifles (or whatever the heck it is one of ‘em is holding in a photo I saw).

          • JWH

            On second thought, I have no idea what constitutes an assault rifle vs. a non-assault rifle. I’ll just call it a BFG.

          • http://www.rustedsky.net JLawson

            Plagiarism’s a crime, after all!

          • jim_m

            Better be nice or the GPO Police is Libel to arrest you.

          • http://www.rustedsky.net JLawson

            I stand humbly pwned. That was very punny, sir.

    • warnertoddhuston

      You did not read what I wrote. Most of the rounds being purchased are hollow-point rounds. You don’t “target practice” with hollow points.

      • jim_m

        Yes you do. If you don’t practice with the rounds you use in action you won’t hit your target nearly as well.

        • warnertoddhuston

          Well, we’ll agree to disagree on that. But the main point is that we don’t need so many federal agencies militarized.

        • Commander_Chico

          Show me the study that shows that ballistics for a pistol caliber round varies between FMJ and hollow point over effective range.

          • jim_m

            All that. But if the FMJ rounds aren’t a match for the hollow points then your aiming points are off. And again: Since when has cost been an issue for the government?

          • Commander_Chico

            I am talking about target practice. No point to buy hollow point for target practice if they are more expensive.

            And yes, cost does matter to individual agencies since they have budgets. I had contracting authority for part of my time in the Navy, could not just spend whatever I wanted.

    • LiberalNightmare

      Im more worried about the operations than the training.

    • Constitution First

      4,200,000,000,000 rounds in total, that’s enough for a 20 year war, jim.
      You don’t practice with hollow points unless your goal IS to piss away money. even active duty military and police don’t practice that much

  • LiberalNightmare

    I guess the extra ammo isnt that excessive when you figure that every three or four letter agency in the govt seems to have a swat team to train.

    Somebody has to protect the desert tortoises.

    • jim_m

      Apparently, they would be best off by stopping the BLM from running them over with SUV’s.

  • Walter_Cronanty

    Don’t forget the EPA’s SWAT team. Thank God for our transformed government – you never know when some murderous bastard will take a snail-darter hostage.

    http://www.alaskadispatch.com/article/20130905/alaska-governor-calls-investigation-armed-epa-led-task-force

  • dabub

    It’s really simple. The government is stocking up because they know the public is going to be furious with them. They are so scared at what’s coming that they are arming everyone in the federal and local government!

    So what is coming? Economic crash! Gun control and confiscation! Suspension of the Constitution! Martial law! Acceptance of a world Constitution and government! Global currency that wipes American currency out! etc. etc.

    Probably all these things!

    • jim_m

      Clearly you are not paying attention. The world is trending toward increased balkanization not toward a one world government.

      There will never be a global currency as we have already seen that the Euro is failing. The situations of the PIIGS demonstrates that exchange rates serve a critical function in moderating economic downswings and the Euro has done a great deal to exacerbate the problems in those countries.

      • dabub

        You will be shocked one day! Unfortunately! I would explain it to you, but I see no need! You’re to far gone!

  • Vagabond661

    And they question us when we suggest armed guards in schools.

    • Commander_Chico

      Armed guards in schools would be a part of the same police state. I bet more kids would be shot by them abusing power or “by mistake” than saved.

      • Vagabond661

        I reject the comparison. Then remove armed guards in court houses. There is a difference in supplying security and imposing a police state.

        • Commander_Chico

          “Security” is always the excuse for imposing a police state.

          Plus, plenty of courts don’t have armed guards.

          A school guard job would attract the worst kind of wannabe power-tripper “heros.” The incidence of school shootings does not justify this, not only because it might cause more deaths, but there is little evidence that guards would prevent school shootings. If you were the Columbine killers, wouldn’t you shoot the guard first in the back?

          • Vagabond661

            Explain security in major corporate offices, at airports and at major sporting events.

            Who do you want shot first? The child?

          • Commander_Chico

            Security in “major” venues is layered – multiple officers.

            Not one Barney Fife or Bob Brutal hanging around a school office. Unless you’re proposing two or three cops for every school in America. That’d be a great use of taxpayer money. NOT.

            Are you looking for a job?

          • Vagabond661

            You must not have kids in school. But here is the solution. Disolve the Dept. Of Education. They are a huge failure at educating AND protecting our children. Boom! we just saved a lot of taxpayers billions.

            After the enormous waste i see of taxpayer money (my god, the state department can’t find 6 BILLION dollars), I would think protecting our children would be at the top of every families’ list. We can run up 16 trillion dollars in debt and can’t figure out how to protect children? we can teach them how to put on a condom but no one can protect them from crazies? How insane is that? and your best argument is “that’ll be a great use of our taxpayer money. not.”?

            The left’s best argument is to get rid of the guns of law abiding citizens. That’s like saying a drunk driver killed a family so let’s take away all the cars. This is one flew over the cuckoo’s nest in real life. the crazies are running the place and you and brucie are nurse hatchet.

            Now if you follow true to form you will mock my grammar, make fun of misspelled words and make snide remarks about me being a dumb hick hayseed from the south or a tea party rube.

          • Commander_Chico

            “Protecting our children.” You sound like Hillary Clinton.

            By all means, go to your town or city council and demand they hire 2 cops for every school. Watch the eyes roll.

            Since a lot more kids are killed in traffic and pedestrian accidents, the cops would probably save more kids doing better traffic enforcement, including crossing guards at all intersections near schools, than standing around a school waiting for the psycho shooter.

            But the dramatic threat, like terrorism, gets the money, even though it’s statistically insignificant compared to other causes of death. It also promotes the atmosphere of fear and submission the state wants everyone to feel.

          • Vagabond661

            Or putting seat belts in school busses. Make the kids wear bicycle helmets but seat belts? god forbid. i dont disagree that the governmnet and the media want to foster that fear. it advances their socialist government agenda.

            My appeal is logical not emotional. armed security prevents loonies from even thinking about picking a school. there have been 2 shootings at fort hood. would the second one happened if guns were allowed to be carried? there are all kinds of youtube videos and others of private citizens stopping gunmen.

            statistics right? an allowable number of children can be injured or killed. we don’t want to spend that lottery money on that. that’s all well and good for people with no children. or their children are in private schools WITH armed security. and guess what those schools are not public schools. they are private schools. and guess which congressmen have their children in private schools.

            how mny of those private schools with armed security have you seen in the news?

            get rid of the dept of ed. that is the crux of the problems in education.

          • Commander_Chico

            The thing about loonies is they are loony. Not sure armed security would deter them. If you’re a kid looking for a Columbine style rampage or a complete psychotic like Adam Lanza shooting the guard might be part of the reason to do it. Plus guards themselves could go nuts.

            I don’t know any private schools that have armed security, maybe places like Sidwell Friends in DC that have multiple kids of VIPs do.

            There are almost 100,000 public schools in the USA. That means hiring a force more than twice the size of the Coast Guard even if you only hire one guard per school, which is probably ineffective and not possible just because of sick and vacation days, so factor in another 20,000 for back up and support, so equal to three Coast Guards and approaching the USMC’s numbers. At a modest salary of 40,000 per plus benefits and employer taxes of 20,000, that’s more than $7 billion a year. What else could $7 billion do in reducing child mortality, including medical research and improved road infrastructure?

          • Vagabond661

            Well then tell the media and the democrats to stop making such a big deal when it happens.

            so you are saying in this bloated govwrnment there is no money? Take away the armed security for politicians. There’s yer money. Better yet help the state department find the missing 6 billion. there is a pile of money we are sending overseas.

            We expect when we send our kids to school they will be safe. The problem is the schools have no clue on how to handle this.

          • http://www.rustedsky.net JLawson

            Well, they’ve got clues – they’re just not exactly ‘rational’ clues.

            Put up a ‘Gun Free Zone’ sign. Never mind that it’s the equivalent of a ‘Hunting Allowed In This Area’ sign – or that people prone to obey such things will actually obey it, while those who wouldn’t… wouldn’t. It’s a visible sign you’re ‘doing something’ about the problem.

            Go phobic about ‘guns’ in any possible way, shape or (nibbled pop-tart) form. Severe punishments for kids for so much as a finger gun. Again – it won’t solve the problem, but (again) you’re showing how serious you are about the problem!

            In the end, the simplest solution might be the best – take down the ‘gun free zone’ signs, let kids be kids (deadly pop-tarts and all) – and make it known that concealed carry may be practiced by the teachers.

            School shootings would probably cease totally. Predators prefer prey that can’t fight back, after all.

            Will there be the occasional nutcase who’s looking to suicide in a big way? Yeah – but as Chico points out, the crazies will always be with us.

          • Vagabond661

            I agree on letting teachers conceal carry. If this is widely known the security officers may not even be needed.

            The crazies would skip schools and head back to the theaters, malls or Fort Hood.

          • Commander_Chico

            The thing about loonies is they are loony. Not sure armed security would deter them. If you’re a kid looking for a Columbine style rampage or a complete psychotic like Adam Lanza shooting the guard might be part of the reason to do it. Plus guards themselves could go nuts.

            I don’t know any private schools that have armed security, maybe places like Sidwell Friends in DC that have multiple kids of VIPs do.

            There are almost 100,000 public schools in the USA. That means hiring a force more than twice the size of the Coast Guard even if you only hire one guard per school, which is probably ineffective and not possible just because of sick and vacation days, so factor in another 20,000 for back up and support, so equal to three Coast Guards and approaching the USMC’s numbers. At a modest salary of 40,000 per plus benefits and employer taxes of 20,000, that’s more than $7 billion a year. What else could $7 billion do in reducing child mortality, including medical research and improved road infrastructure?

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