Sunday open thread #2 – Oklahoma’s new monument to Satan?

Remember when I said that Oklahoma only gets national press coverage when the news is bad or strange?  Here’s an odd one …

Oklahoma State Rep. Mike Ritze decided that Oklahoma needed a monument to the Ten Commandments on the state capitol grounds.  His family donated $10,000 to fund the project, and Ritze introduced a bill to provide for the installation of the monument.  Two years ago the monument was erected – complete with an embarrassing spelling error.

Of course the ACLU wasted no time challenging the legality of the monument.  But even the venerable ACLU was outfoxed by the New York-based Satanic Temple, which announced plans to erect a bronze statue of Baphomet being adored by two children.  Crowd funding raised over $25,000 to fund the project.

Last week, the group revealed the clay model for the statue.  They plan on placing it next to the Ten Commandments monument on the Oklahoma state capitol grounds.  Hopefully they will check the accompanying plaque for spelling errors.

When I think about this, the first phrase that pops into my mind is “attention whores.”

What do you think?

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  • Paul Hooson

    Hopefully, the ACLU also challenges any monument to Satan on state capitol property as well as this is also a purely religious shrine. – Further, I have personal feelings that such a monument may bring great evil to capitol. One of my relatives is a Catholic nun who holds a Ph.d. and is a college professor, and she once worked at a mental hospital where one patient was not mentally ill, but demon possessed and was able to use his mind to levitate objects and throw his dinner tray against the wall. In Gary, Indiana, a demon-infested home has been documented by police, mental health and social workers. A small boy from this home walked backwards up a wall at a hospital where he was taken for treatment.This was documented by the medical staff, Here is a police photograph of an actual demon seen visible in the front window of this home. A Catholic priest attempted to exorcise this home, which was thought to be a portal to Hell, and inhabited by at least 120 evil spirits. – An monument to the Devil only invites evil. It should not be built, even as a joke or political stunt.

    • jim_m

      Yeah, I’ve got nothing. I don’t know whether to congratulate you for great satire or mock you for being a wacko.

      • Brucehenry
        • Paul Hooson

          Almost all evidence of the claimed Loch Ness Monster or UFOs have been proven to be hoaxes, Bruce. The incidents at the Gary home have been supported by eyewitness medical staff, police, social workers, city government employees as well as the members of the household who lived in this home as well as this story covered by NBC and other major news outlets. Not a single proof has been presented so far that this story has been a hoax or that any of these claimed events did not take place.

          • Brucehenry

            Some things don’t need to be disproven, Paul. Leprechauns, unicorns, fairies, and ummmm, demon possession among them.

          • Paul Hooson

            My Catholic nun relative who is a university professor is a very credible witness of an actual demon possession and object levitation. And police, social workers, medical personnel all verified the events at this Gary, Indiana home. – My own home was difficult to sell, because it was possessed by a spirit, despite attempts to remove it. Later, a renter in the home, who is American Indian, perfectly described the spirit of my late father who would walk the hallways and disappear into his room, despite never having ever seen him. Some phenomenon defies reasonable explanation like these things.

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          • jim_m

            I find it hysterically funny that someone involved in the “adult entertainment” industry believes in the devil, possession, etc. You would think that someone believing in that stuff would really want to avoid being involved with sin. Most religions put the penalty pretty high on that stuff (eternal damnation sucks).

          • Brucehenry

            Years ago I read a historical novel called “The Pillars of the Earth,” set in England in the 1100s. It was a godawful book, really, but there was a villainous knight in it who was terrified of damnation but unable to resist being evil as hell. The passage where he knew he was about to be hanged and was shitting himself at the prospect of eternal torment was haunting. I read it 20 years ago and still remember the chilled, eerie feeling it gave me. I recommend it to Paul, lol.

          • Paul Hooson

            I actually have a long history in religion, JimM. I was a very religious Catholic for many years, later I would spend many hours a week watching religious programming as my preferred daytime entertainment while I worked as a TV repairman. I later started to attend a Jehovah’s Witness Kingdom Hall and even hosted Scripture study groups at my home. But, I became very disillusioned in many things after my best friend, a young minister my own age was horribly killed at work one day in a machine accident, and after my mother died I faced so much crap for a time that I was drawn more and more into the biker scene. I envisioned the nightclub as a meeting place for my friends in bike community, as well as neutral ground where all of clubs are welcome here as long as they don’t carry and grudges against other clubs inside. – Traditionally, the Gypsy Jokers had one table here that was pretty much their’s. But, friends of mine from the Hells Angels and other clubs as well as independent bike riders have all had a peaceful existence here. In addition, there are a number of Black motorcycle clubs or riders in the area, along with some ethnic gangs in the area, and all have been welcome to enjoy themselves in my club as long as they act peacefully here. My personal favorite motorcycle club is the independent Brothers Of The Third Wheel, a club for trikers with custom trikes. Their local chapter is the Columbia River Rats. – When i lived in SouthEast Portland, I was good friends with the Moped Army, a UK-styled moped gang and the Puddle Cutters, who used to cut themselves in a rite to enter the gang.

      • Paul Hooson

        I tend to be a great skeptic, however many mainstream news outlets have covered these weird events at this Gary, Indiana home, that have not been debunked anywhere. This includes NBC and major newspapers in both the U.S. and the UK. – If God is accepted to exist by many, then why not also demons as told in Holy Scripture. – Most stories are faked, but in this case, nothing has debunked this story so far where it appears to be genuine. While NBC and other major news outlets covered this story, backed up by the official police department photograph, only one small skeptic blog has attempted to question the story, only claiming that the Gary police are “gullible” and not offering a shred of evidence to prove any of this is a hoax so far.

  • JWH

    I’m rather familiar with this story. Here’s the rough sequence of events:

    1) Oklahoma erects Ten Commandments monument.
    2) ACLU challenges.
    3) An atheist group petitioned to put in a monument to reason on Capitol grounds.
    4) A Hindu group has petitioned to add a monument to its religion on Capitol grounds.
    5) Satanic Temple petitions to add it Baphomet monument.

    It’s all quite silly, but I think that the Hindus, the atheist group, and (sigh) the Satanists make a good point: If a government entity wishes to celebrate America’s religious heritage, then it should recognize that America is home to multitudinous religions. And if a state legislature wishes to open its grounds to monuments from one faith, it ought to open it to monuments from other American faiths as well.*

    A final point: Apparently, there’s some question as to whether the Satanic Temple is home to actual Satanists. I’ve read that its leader is an atheist who publicly embraced Satanism as a way to mock other religions … and that mainline Satanists consider the Satanic Temple apostates.

    * Except for the First Temple of Mimes (Reformed). No mimes, ever, deserve any rights.

  • Yep, attention whores.

    Even bad press is better than no press at all.

    But as JWH says, there’s a lot of religious heritage to our history, and to ignore it completely (or to selectively exclude religions) doesn’t make any sense either.

  • Vagabond661

    Did the ACLU challenge the Satanic Temple also? I mean, religion is religion.

  • Brucehenry

    Why wasn’t your first thought “attention whores” when you learned of the Ten Commandments monument?

    Holier-than-thou show-offs.

  • Lawrence Westlake

    All part and parcel of the big slide into Idiocracy.

  • Paul Hooson

    I’m going to change the subject. – I’m very hopeful that the White House will use the American military muscle it is sending in to Nigeria to rescue the kidnapped girls to hit the terrorists hard with bombings and military action to weaken this terrorist organization. The U.S. needs to use it’s military strength to hit worldwide terrorism hard all over the world because terrorism otherwise seems to always hurt the West otherwise.