Wizblab Open Tread Starter: On Sending Troops to Our Southern Borders


But for a starter…

Now even Speaker of the House John Boehner says that we need to send National Guard troops to our southern borders to stop the tens of thousands of disease-laden, illegal aliens from swamping over the border like a tsunami.

So how DO we stop the teeming millions from coming here? Obama is enticing these people with advertisements in central and south America telling those ignorant, unschooled least desirable people that if they come here Uncle Sugar Sam will give them a living and let them vote Democrat, so it isn’t surprising that they are coming. They all think Sugar Daddy Obama is going to make them sudden “Americans” and they’ll live for free for the rest of their lives.

(Edit to add: As I re-read what I posted in that paragraph above, I see it wasn’t snarky enough to convey what I meant. So, I was being flippant with the above.I didn’t mean to state as “fact” that Obama himself is advertising for illegals to come here. But there have been campaigns spreading in Central America doing just that. I want to be clear, though, that I am not saying Obama did this. I wouldn’t be surprised if he did through back door deals, but I am NOT saying for a fact that he did.)

How do we prevent our Eurocrat politicians who claim to be Americans from setting up a permanent underclass that will never be able to step up into the next class as Americans have traditionally done? How do we prevent a permanent class of the indigent with voting rights that will be cajoled to keep corrupt Democrats in power in perpetuity?

So, what say you, Wizbangers? Should we seal the borders with our troops?

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  • Bird666

    Check your spelling

    • warnertoddhuston

      Check your reading.

  • Commander_Chico

    What powers would National Guard have to arrest anyone? Posse Comitatus. Seems like a better idea to just hire more Border Patrol and keep them at border instead of hassling Americans 50 miles inland. Also transfer half the ones doing nothing on the Canada border.

    • Retired military

      How about your messiah letting existing border patrol agents do their job, actually force illegal aliens out of the country, punish businesses who hire them, set up a system for id verification for work purposes, cut off welfare for illegal aliens and actually want to stop illegal immigration. Oh wait, those folks are new democrat voters so that will never happen.

      • Commander_Chico

        They already did cut off welfare for illegal aliens.

        • Your so full of it. Illegals are getting free healthcare when they need it, they get food stamps. They get free education and in many places like California their getting drivers licenses which were only supposed to be allowed for citizens. So how many have you helped come here Illegally? Perhaps your one of them.

          • Commander_Chico

            I am an illegal immigrant, but in another country.

        • Retired military

          And per Obama they wont be eligible for Obamacare either. And if you like your health care plan you can keep it. Period. And Obama didn’t know about the VA or IRS scandals until he read about them in the paper.

          Also I notice that you didn’t deny anything else I said. Guess you don’t have a problem with them being true.

          • Commander_Chico

            Nope, I don’t. U.S. Chamber of Commerce will never allow any of that, though. Immigration of all kinds keeps wages low.

          • Jwb10001

            It’s always someone other than Obama, this time it’s the Chamber of Commerce, I’m shock to hear that they are in charge of immigration enforcement in the US I was under the impression it was the Executive Branch of the Federal Government that was charged with protecting the borders.

    • jim_m

      They don’t have to arrest anyone. They can always just shoot them. That should satisfy your concerns about the law being broken.

      • Commander_Chico

        The U.S. military is not a law enforcement organization. Soldiers shooting people in the USA is not a good idea.

        • jim_m

          No. Soldiers shooting Americans would be a bad idea. They wouldn’t be doing that in this case.

          • Commander_Chico

            Count on you to strike the phony-tough pose of the klownish keyboard kommando.

          • jim_m

            I’m just taking the leftist position that the lives of brown skinned people aren’t worth shit.

            Migrant workers can get into this country legally you lying POS. in 1989 only 7% of farm workers were in the US illegally. Nothing has changed on the labor side to dramatically increase the need for labor. The changes have been on the political end, encouraging more illegal immigration.

            According to figures compiled in 2005 by the Pew Hispanic Center from Census Bureau data, 19 percent of farming, fishing and forest workers were illegal immigrants


            About 3 percent of illegal immigrants were working in farming and related sectors, according to Pew, which was well below the percentage working in service occupations (33 percent), construction and extractive jobs (17 percent), production, installation and repair (16 percent) and transportation and moving (8 percent)

            So only 1 in 5 farm workers is here illegally and only 3 in 100 illegals are farm workers. So your bullshit that illegals are coming here to pick crops for crap wages is a gross misrepresentation. You’re f*cking lying again.

            Try not being such a f*cking racist, spewing out bigoted stereotypes about illegals.

            At least I can make sarcastic comments that you cannot recognize. You can hardly go a day without making some sort of ignorant and bigoted comment.

            [edit] no surprise that co-bigot Bruce endorses your racist and bigoted representations of illegals.

          • Commander_Chico

            What does f*cking mean? Do you mean fucking?

            Whatever they’re working in, landscaping or fast food or picking fruit.

          • jim_m

            the point is that your whole position was based on a lie and it still remains based on a stereotype.

        • Retired military

          The left just wants to kill global warming deniers and tea party folks.

          So tell us again Chico, why are they involved in police actions and nation building?

          • Commander_Chico

            Because of Bush.

  • Vagabond661

    Put them on a bus and dump them in Canada. Or bus them back to the border and force them to go back at gunpoint.

  • GarandFan

    You’d think that our embassy’s south of our border would know what’s going on in those countries and tell their newspapers that King Barack’s “Dream Act” won’t cover them. But that would be acting responsibly and proactively. Evidently the ambassador’s, like King Barack need to read about it in our newspapers.

    As for those coming across, don’t we still have an Air Force with transport planes? Maybe in the King and Queen cancel a vacation there will be enough fuel for those transports to take these people back to their home country.

    As for giving those people ‘court dates’, to appear in an immigration court… WTF? Put ’em on a bus or plane and ship them home!

  • Obama was behind it as he knew back in January these aliens were coming. He had posted on the government website asking for escort services for these aliens. It has since been removed but the original is still available.


  • brother bob

    Somewhat off topic, but since this is an open thread… Anybody know what Jay Tea’s whereabouts are these days?

    • Commander_Chico


      • brother bob

        Not a shocker – any leads on which institution? =8^)

        • Brucehenry

          As I’ve mentioned here before, he can often be found commenting at Outside the Beltway under the name “Jenos Idanian #13.” He is routinely laughed at and downvoted there, which is why our Jim is afraid to comment there.

          As to where he is physically, I don’t know.

          • jim_m

            I never go there. Why would I want to comment on a site I never visit?

          • Brucehenry

            Because it’s a dare, Jim, don’t you know how those work? A triple dog dare.

          • jim_m

            I grew up.

          • Brucehenry

            Yes it’s true that one grows more fearful as one ages.

          • jim_m

            I’ve found the opposite to be true. Fear comes from ignorance, most people get less ignorant as they get older.

          • Brucehenry

            Well perhaps you’re right. But perhaps you also just enjoy being a big fish in a small pond and fear the humiliation that Jay Tea endures at OTB.

          • jim_m

            You suppose that it is fear when the reality is that I simply don’t give a damn.

          • Brucehenry

            That’s what they all say.

          • jim_m

            All cowardice comes from not loving, or not loving well, which is the same thing…http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6n34E2vXzs&feature=player_detailpage#t=142

          • jim_m

            As Hemingway says “Dying is something that all men before you have done, all men will do…”

            The only hope you have is to accept that you are already dead. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5YpUsDsHmk&feature=player_detailpage#t=79

            So no. I am not afraid. I really just don’t care.

          • Brucehenry

            Wait a minute, I thought BLISS was from ignorance. Knowledge can indeed make one more fearful. For example I recently read that if a man over 50 breaks one of the four long bones in his body, chances are greater than 50% that he’ll be dead in five years. So I haven’t climbed a ladder since.

          • jim_m

            It’s a surrogate marker. Your death isn’t caused by breaking the bone. The factors that are predisposing you to fall and break a bone are more to the point. The loss of balance and proprioception, the loss of bone mass, are indicators that you are more likely to hurt yourself and of general decline in health status.

            Yeah, I would expect ignorance and cowardice from someone like yourself. You lack the education to understand what you read.

          • Brucehenry

            Some of these are jokes. But hey, they only get funnier when you deconstruct them!

          • The joke is brucehemorrhoid.

          • Jwb10001

            If they were funny they wouldn’t get deconstructed.

          • If they were funny someone else would have written them…

          • Commander_Chico


          • jim_m


            Chico conveniently summarizes the contents of every post he has ever made on Wizbang.

          • A factually supported comment by chicka for a change.

            Crap is all that he is, was, or ever shall be.

          • Commander_Chico

            “Fear comes from ignorance” Not true. Ignorance only breeds irrational fear, like Americans shitting themselves over Muslims on a plane.

            A comprehensive knowledge of danger, like the physics and physiology of automobile crashes, can bring rational fear. It only depends on the circumstances.

          • jim_m

            Ever been in a car accident? When the car is rolling over and over? You don’t feel fear. You just react.

            Knowledge does not breed fear. It can only bring caution.

          • Commander_Chico

            I am talking about the fear when you’re in a taxi and the driver is speeding like a maniac and there are no seatbelts.

          • jim_m

            You’re a freaking pussy.

          • Commander_Chico

            Guess so. But I’ve done a lot more dangerous stuff than you have.

          • jim_m

            It sounds like what you consider dangerous might not really be so if taxi rides freak you out

          • Commander_Chico

            I doubt you’ve had the taxi rides I have had in the places I have had them.

          • Tell us about your life threatening paper cuts…

          • Excepting progtards or they would no longer be progtards.

            That is the sad reality of the Peter Pan syndrome.

          • Commander_Chico

            It’s kind of a paradox – why be so afraid when you’ve only got a few shitty years left at 86?

            But it’s true except for exceptional cases like Old Man Bush who jumped out of an airplane last week..

          • Commander_Chico

            I drove him out of here. He doesn’t have the balls to show his name.

          • jim_m

            Were you even here back then? I doubt that you’ve driven anything out of anywhere.

          • Commander_Chico
          • Why don’t you put it to the test by absenting yourself?

          • brother bob

            Thanks for the tip Bruce I’ll keep an eye out for him! Jay was my #1 inspiration to start blogging 5 years ago. I really miss his posts…

        • jim_m

          Chico’s lying again. He can’t help it. It just who he is.

    • warnertoddhuston

      I was not here when Jay was, so I don’t know him other than how often folks here remember him. He definitely built a great reputation here.Lots of hard work, but abandoned for whatever reason.

      But I’d like to say one thing in general about cool-oh Internet names. I always distrust those who don’t post under their real name (except in the case where their job would be in danger if they used their real name–but on that we have to just trust that it is true).

      I always thought it diminished the veracity of the work. Then again, the founders wrote under pen names, so if it was good enough for them… right?

      Now, I am not dissing Jay. As I said I don’t know him.

      But it always struck me as silly to use Internet aliases. That is why I always, always wrote in my real name. Of course, I always wanted to make this a livelihood, so using a fake Internet name would never have helped on that goal–so maybe it was my original intent that colored my feelings on the matter.

      • Brucehenry

        He (Jay Tea) used his real name when he wrote at Commentary, but he didn’t last long there. He was canned in a few months if I remember correctly.

        • warnertoddhuston

          Ouch. Well, at least I am making a living at this as crazy as that may sound. Been doing so for 5 years and hope to keep at it for a long time to come. (Actually been writing for $$ since 2001, but only making a living at it for the last 5 yrs).

        • Commander_Chico

          He took Woody Allen’s joke as a plan.

      • brother bob

        Thanks for the response. Re: not posting under real names, I am actually one of those whose job could be affected. I work in government contracting in DC, and Tea Party politics probably wouldn’t be too popular with a number of my customers.

        I’ve been blogging for five years now (not as much I’d like now that I have a one year old) and Jay was my #1 influence to become a blogger.

  • Commander_Chico

    Since open thread:

    ZH: The US Healthcare System: Most Expensive Yet Worst In The Developed World

    This is the system that Jim is greedily feeding at the trough of.

    • jim_m

      Yeah, I saw this wen I came out several weeks ago. I have been waiting for some ignorant idiot like you to bring it up.

      First of all: The British people think that it verges on third world medicine. This is that same health system that transplanted a diseased lung into a war veteran, and which shetltered the country’s worst serial killer. It also cuts many corners, using diagnostic tests that are not approved by any regulatory body because they are too cheap to pay for the tests that are approved.

      Second, look at the criteria for evaluation:

      Quality This emphasizes record keeping technology and states that better technology will allow better following of chronically ill patients. Except that in the US coercive methods to follow patients are illegal, unlike in foreign countries. Nowhere could I find anything that spoke to actual health outcomes, which is the bottom line on quality. Obviously if we talked about outcomes everyone else would rank far below the US, which is why they don’t talk about it.

      Access This is not about getting treated but about getting routine wellness visits. Let’s not get into the fact that many in the UK cannot even get a dentist at all. If you want to talk about access then consider the fact that in Canada you can wait 6 weeks for an MRI. In the US I got an appointment in under 6 hours. Access to treatment when you need it is what makes good healthcare. Access for a routine checkup is bullshit.

      Efficiency Yes, we spend a shitload of money with regulations and government bullshit. We also waste a lot of money with Medicare and Medicaid. So your point is that it is going to get better by doing more of the worst in healthcare?

      Equity This is a bullshit measure of how socialist your system is. Fuck you. Whether or not the system is socialist has no relation to outcomes.

      Healthy Liives This one gets into bullshit measures like infant mortality, which is a political propaganda tool and not a measure of anything else. It is also a list of lifestyle issues that have nothing to do with healthcare. What this demonstrates is that the left will not stop with medicine but will demand to dictate to everyone how they live their lives, what they eat, how much they exercise, etc.

      SO only one of the 5 categories claimed to measure anything about actual health care and even it was more interested in record keeping bullshit rather than outcomes.

      Chico wants to show how much he hates America by spewing morel lies. Here are the facts The US still leads in the one measurable area where quality of care can be measured accurately: Cancer outcomes. Cancer outcomes mean that many other areas are working correctly, surgery, nephrology, epidemiology, pathology, radiology, rehabilitative services, etc as well as oncology. http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_otfwl2zc6Qc/SoG4Vv5-y-I/AAAAAAAAK3A/afilDKt_4ks/s1600/cancer.bmp In fact, if you want a survival rate like in Europe, you have to be uninsured, and even then you are better off in the US.

      And instead here is what he thinks is better:

      National Health SHAMBLES: Three damning reports describe mothers
      abandoned during labour, serious hospital blunders every day and how patients have lost faith in their GPs

      * Public confidence in the NHS at record low following run of inquiries

      * A quarter of new mothers say they were abandoned by their midwives

      * Some NHS consulting rooms were found to be infested with maggots

      * Police probe into cover-up claims on cancer treatment waiting times
      * Blunder doctors carried out heart surgery on the
      wrong patient

      * Another man had laser surgery on his right eye
      rather than his left

      Yeah, sounds like they have the best system in the world. Fuck you Chico. Spread your lies elsewhere.

      • Commander_Chico

        Well, where’s your study on “outcomes?” “Outcomes” sounds like some bullshit propaganda term ginned up and defined by the trough-feeders to justify their greed.

        As far as “socialism” goes, don’t you yourself imply that “outcomes” would differ between rich and poor?

        That is, rich guy gets cured of worst cancers, middle class guy with insurance gets cured of average cancers, poor guy with no insurance dies without anything but palliative treatment.

        • jim_m

          I have posted link after link on outcomes in the past and included one above. But here’s another one for you: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1234276/Britain-sick-man-Europe-Heart-cancer-survival-rates-worst-developed-world.html

          Actually, if you look at things like Prostate Cancer we have a 99% 5 year survival rate. In the UK it is 75%.

          5 Year survival in the US for Breast Ca is 85-90% depending on the study you look at. Survival for the uninsured is 75-80%. The OECD average is ~81%. SO even our uninsured are getting comparable treatment to the socialized societies that you claim are the gold standard.

          Once again, what you have is a bunch of bullshit and lies and no matter how much you polish your ideological turds they are still a steaming pile of crap.

          • jim_m

            And here is a useful summary of the landmark cancer study published in the Lancet. Note that the US leads both Europe and Canada in diagnosis, treatment and survival of cancer. It is also useful to note that both the UK and Canada acknowledge that the reason that their death rates are so high is that people cannot be seen to be treated.

            Ironically, this is exactly the opposite of what Chico’s post claims. His link claims that access to healthcare in the US is the worst in the world. I suppose then that since the problem is not access in the EU, it must be the healthcare itself that is killing people.

          • Commander_Chico

            OK, that’s some cancers. Why is a modest edge so expensive?

            All of the administrators and pumped up charges.

          • Show proof.

          • jim_m

            It’s not a modest edge. Spread across a population of hundreds of millions it is an enormous number of people who are dying unnecessarily. With nearly 1.7 million new cancer cases each year in the US alone the 19% better survival for men means ~160,000 men alive every year that would be dead under the EU system. The 7% better rate for women means ~56,000 women every year.

            What is the value that you are willing to put on 200,000+ lives saved every year? The obvious answer is that to the left these lives mean nothing. These lives are standing in the way of “progress”.

            Tell me, Why are you so eager to murder 200,000 people every year for your ideology? I suppose this inefficiency is the price you pay for not setting up camps and ovens.

            (Hey, maybe THAT is what was meant be efficiency. It sure as hell explains why the US is considered inefficient)

          • Jwb10001

            And the goal posts get moved again. You were shown to be a dupe and so to save face you move the goal posts. As soon as you get your ass handed to you again, you’ll surely opt for it’s all Bush’s fault.

          • Commander_Chico

            Not proved wrong at all. He is talking about a narrow issue, cancer and five year outcomes. Why is infant mortality higher in the USA?

        • jim_m

          Here’s more on what you claim is the world’s greatest healthcare system: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/journalists/laura-donnelly/10495852/Cancer-in-britain-lags-far-behind-European-average.html

          Figures for the UK and Ireland were better than average for just one cancer, melanoma, showing an 85.6 per cent survival rate compared with a European mean of 83.2%. For every other cancer, patients in the UK had a lower than average chance of being alive after five years.

          Experts said many of the problems in the UK were caused by delays in diagnosis, resulting in cancers not being treated until they had reached an advanced stage and leading to especially poor survival rates for older patients.

          But wait, didn’t Chico claim that the UK was #1 in efficiency and access? Why yes he did. Funny how the most accessible and most efficient health care system in the world lags behind other nations because people cannot be seen by doctors and have unnecessary delays which ultimately are the cause of their untimely deaths.

          Efficiency… I don’t think that word means what you think it means. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=YIP6EwqMEoE#t=17

      • You didn’t have to look far or hard to find an ignorant idiot…

        • jim_m

          I just had to look to the left.

      • Brucehenry

        Not to nitpick (much) but your link doesn’t demonstrate that “the British people” think their system is Third World. One speaker at one conference made that comparison — about one third, he says, of the system.

        And that one speaker wasn’t talking about moving to another system, he was talking about more government funding for the system in place.

        The British people would never vote to go to the “system” we have here and you know it.

        • jim_m

          The speaker was the president of the British Medical Association speaking on behalf of the organization. I think that counts for more than 1 person.

          But the 3rd world criticism of the NHS is a bit of a meme in the UK

          Each day, 4 patients in the UK die from hunger or dehydration in our hospitals.

          In 2011 a total of 115 patients died from dehydration and 48 died of malnutrition as a direct cause whilst a further 812 were suffering from dehydration and 301 from malnutrition as a contributory cause when they died.

          In one case, a patient was so thirsty he dialed 999. The police officer who attended said that he twice witnessed staff ignoring the patient’s request for water.

          Apart from lack of food and dehydration, 78 hospital patients and 39 care home patients were killed by bedsores. A total of 21,696 people who died were recorded as suffering from septicaemia, which is usually brought on by insufficiently cared-for wounds.

          In many wards nurses were dumping meal trays in front of patients too weak to feed themselves and then taking them way untouched. A report by the Health Service Ombudsman in 2011 condemned the NHS for its inhuman treatment of the most vulnerable. The investigation found that patients were left hungry, unwashed or given the wrong drugs because of the ‘casual indifference’ of the staff.

          The patient who dialed 999 (the UK equivalent to 911) died of dehydration after the staff sent the police away saying that the patient wasn’t in his right mind.

          This is what you and Chico and your bogus story are claiming to be the world’s foremost healthcare system. It can’t even feed the patients or give them water. It can’t care for the most basic of needs and thousands die each year from neglect. It actually makes the VA look good. But then you are the ones claiming that the VA should be the model here so why are we surprised?

          • Brucehenry

            Nice link Jim. Spend a lot of time on white supremacist sites, do you?

          • jim_m

            Yep, like The Daily Scotsman and Forbes and The American Enterprise Institute

            Sure the link is a whack job, but the issues he points out are real and you can find link after link criticizing the NHS for its crap healthcare.

          • Brucehenry

            Ha ha I’m more interested in how you found that particular link. The line right below the logo, which is kinda fascisty, lol, says how “We must secure the existence of our people and a future for White Children.”

            How does one know to link to such a site for anything?

          • jim_m
          • Brucehenry

            OK I’ll let it pass but I bet you wouldn’t if I had linked to a white supremacist site for anything. I’d never ever hear the end of it.

          • This from the moron hemorrhoid who still clings to the Communist Propaganda of Fascism as a product of the left…

            Ha Ha!

          • Brucehenry

            The Scots link is about the same speaker at the same conference, genius. More of the “independent corroboration” you are so well-known for?

            I’ll give you the Forbes link. As to the AEI link, it’s pointed out in the comments that the dental system is not nearly as “socialized” as the medical system is. Perhaps if it was people would have better access.

          • jim_m

            Actually, the problem is worse in the dental arena. People wait years to get an appointment. If you made it more government controlled you would have even fewer dentists than you do now. One of the chief criticisms of the NHS is that it has made becoming a doctor so unattractive that they cannot get enough (kind of like what obama wants to do here) and so they import them from the 3rd world and get a bunch of crap doctors, the majority of which cannot pass the board exams.

          • Brucehenry

            But right now it’s an 80% private system so why is there a shortage of dentists NOW?

          • jim_m

            It isn’t 80% private. The NHS only pays 20% for some treatments. ALL Dentists are NHS doctors. The entire system is run by the NHS. Like in regular medicine, the NHS makes it very undesirable to be a dentist.

          • jim_m

            Here is the article about finding an NHS dentist While you can get a private dentist 100% of the cost is out of your pocket because there is no dental insurance apart from the NHS. So this makes dental care measurably worse than what we have in the US.

            In the US if you have insurance you can see a dentist. In the UK you can’t afford a dentist on your own and you can’t get an NHS dentist.

          • Brucehenry



            There are private dentists and privately obtainable dental insurance in the UK.

          • jim_m

            Yes, you can get a private dentist in the UK. You can get a private doctor in the UK as well.

            What an outrageous piece of hypocrisy! You are sitting here defending the glories of socialized medicine and an article that declares how much better it is because everyone is treated equally, and you defend it by saying that those who are wealthy enough to be able to pay all their medical expenses out of their own pocket are able to get a doctor or dentist.

            So what you are saying is that the US system where the poor cannot access the same healthcare as the working class and the upper classes is evil, but the UK system where everyone except the ultra rich gets a crappy healthcare system is ideal.

            The working class is obviously who you hate. You don’t want working class people to get decent healthcare. You think that this should be reserved for only the super rich and for politicians (but I repeat myself). And you think this because it is unfair that a fraction of the bottom quintile of households only get Medicaid. Nice.

          • Brucehenry

            I haven’t defended any article. I have simply pointed out your inconsistencies. You say there is a shortage of dentists in the UK because they are all NHS and there is no other option. But there ARE other options, so why the shortage?


          • jim_m

            The problem is that there is a shortage because people cannot afford to pay for everything AND pay the egregious taxes to support the NHS. That is why I say it is for the wealthy. So people are stuck with NHS dentists and there aren’t enough of them because, as I already mentioned, they have made it particularly unrewarding to become a doctor or dentist. It certainly isn’t for lack of work.

          • jim_m

            My apologies for the duplication in the Scotsman link.

            However, the point is that calling the UK NHS the world’s best is hysterically stupid. Few systems have the reputation for neglect and abuse as the NHS. Sure it has some great computers but how often does a computer check your dressing or give you medicine or deliver food and water? That is what Chico’s story is claiming, that because they have cool administrative technology that they deliver high quality care.

            I can’t find a link right now, but I recall a story from about 5 years ago of a US news correspondent whose wife was ill (I want to say she had a DVT). He gave a story about how horrible the NHS was and how almost immediately he was advised to move her from the NHS hospital to a private institution. He moved her, of course, and she got better, but it was an interesting tale of just how bad the NHS was and how few people in the UK(even within the NHS itself) trusted it.

          • Commander_Chico

            AEI, ha ha ha.

    • jim_m

      So this outrageous lie brings us back to the burning question: Why should anyone believe anything you say when you are a troother claiming that Bush was complicit in 9/11 and that Cheney plotted the anthrax attacks?

      Still waiting on an explanation for that.

      • Commander_Chico
        • jim_m

          Sorry, I left out – Why should we believe an idiot who believes anything he can read on a hat he can buy on the internet?

          • Jwb10001

            Simple answer is we shouldn’t and I suspect most of us don’t. These silly studies that attempt to paint the US as a 3rd world country in healthcare have been debunked so many times it’s silly to repeat them. Only someone with the mentality of Chico with his everything US is bad BS would still repeat them.

        • Retired military

          I like my hat better

    • Jwb10001

      Well then you should trot your ass down to Cuba or up to Canada next time you get VD.

  • Commander_Chico

    Rand Paul kicked ass on the Sunday morning talk shows.

    Video: Rand Paul on CNN

    • That’s the worst thing I’ve seen written about Senator Paul.

      • Commander_Chico

        He’s agin’ neocons like you.

  • jim_m

    Since it is an open thread and no article has yet to be posted this morning…

    Let’s look at today’s Telegraph, which reports that NOAA has been retrospectively editing their USHCN/GIS data in order to fudge their AGW predictions and make their hysteria look more like actual science:

    Goddard shows how, in recent years, NOAA’s US Historical Climatology Network (USHCN) has been “adjusting” its record by replacing real temperatures with data “fabricated” by computer models. The effect of this has been to downgrade earlier temperatures and to exaggerate those from recent decades, to give the impression that the Earth has been warming up much more than is justified by the actual data. In several posts headed “Data tampering at USHCN/GISS”, Goddard compares the currently published temperature graphs with those based only on temperatures measured at the time. These show that the US has actually been cooling since the Thirties, the hottest decade on record; whereas the latest graph, nearly half of it based on “fabricated” data, shows it to have been warming at a rate equivalent to more than 3 degrees centigrade per

    Read the whole thing to learn how all of AGW is based on a fraud and that with the evidence not supporting their theories( and thus endangering the flow of grant money) pseudo-scientists are resorting to blatant fraud to cover their asses.

    AGW is a fraud from start to finish. Not a single bit of it is real and it is only supported by fraud and political corruption.

    I wholeheartedly agree with the author’s conclusion

    Any theory needing to rely so consistently on fudging the evidence, I concluded, must be looked on not as science at all, but as simply a rather alarming case study in the aberrations of group psychology.

    • jim_m

      NOAA has dramatically altered the temperature record replacing the actual data with data that support their conclusions:

      Right after the year 2000, NASA and NOAA dramatically altered US climate history, making the past much colder and the present much warmer. The animation below shows how NASA cooled 1934 and warmed 1998, to make 1998 the hottest year in US history instead of 1934. This alteration turned a long term cooling trend since 1930 into a warming trend.


      • Hide the Decline

        • jim_m

          The same scientists who today claim that there has been uniterrupted wamring since the 30’s were claiming that there was no evidence of warming back in 1989

          February 04, 1989

          Last week, scientists from the United States Commerce Department’s National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration said that a study of temperature readings for the contiguous 48 states over the last century showed
          there had been no significant change in average temperature over that period. Dr. (Phil) Jones said in a telephone interview today that his own results for the 48 states agreed with those findings.

          These people are frauds and ought to be put in prison.